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by surinder
06 May 2012 23:42
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
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Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Surinder ji / Shiv ji, I don't see any evidence that Punjabi Hindus have ditched Punjabi Language for Hindi. On the contrary there is too much of Punjabi culture in our pop media like movies,tv, pop music , marriages etc. Everywhere around people are either swaying on Punjabi tunes, raising arms an...
by surinder
06 May 2012 23:33
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Sorry to say, but our own Punjab is quite rotten too. Surinder, in your opinion, is this cultural degradation (giving up of the Punjabi language for Urdu/Hindustani, adoptation of Islamic mores) a recent phenomena or has this been going on for several generations? My guess is that it started when t...
by surinder
06 May 2012 08:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

+ Tandon in his book, the Punjabi Century, gives interesting examples of Musliims and Hindu/Sikh kept relationships. Hindu/Sikhs did not eat at Musliims, so they were given raw food to take home. Musalims neve did have this restriction, so they did eat. Miusilim women would often take off purda when...
by surinder
06 May 2012 08:54
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

From 1860-1900 deforestation in India is well studied: four main factors (1) Brit desire to bring land under taxation - agricultural land was taxed more (2) Wood for railway sleeper and shipbuilding for Royal Navy. In britland proper they had exhausted oak by 1700's. So Indian saal/teak was in grea...
by surinder
06 May 2012 08:14
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

I mean its shameful that Indian Punjabis have allowed their own rich culture to slip out and be claimed by these dung filled frauds. They have given up the Punjabi language for Urdu, and are in the process of killing Punjabi culture even as they claim great prominence as being "tall, fair, han...
by surinder
02 May 2012 22:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Shiv, Even before the British era of clearing the forests and settling in people, I don't think you can probably call Punjab a state that was weak in potential. It had five rivers and good fertile land. Places like Kashmir, Sindh, Rajashtan, frontier were far less fertile & productive. Certainly...
by surinder
02 May 2012 14:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Also check out: http://dawn.com/2012/02/13/demystifying ... hierarchy/

There are town named by British, now in TSP, such as Chak-22, Chak 39 etc. Such clumsy names come only by the invaders naming things their way.
by surinder
02 May 2012 14:50
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Folks here is a very interesting and archivable document about how Punjab got populated in britush times and how and where land went to Muslims, Sikhs or Hindus. You can read the document for details, but I will post some comments after a quick read that i did. I don't know the geography of Punjab ...
by surinder
28 Apr 2012 11:49
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

The wheel has turned full circle! :rotfl: What amazes me is how skinny these PakiBoys are in the Kolaveri video. In India any self respecting male over 16 hits the gym and the number of hunks/stud machaans around is amazing. That is easy to answer: DRUGS. Look at their physique, legs, and lugubriou...
by surinder
28 Apr 2012 11:45
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Dr. Shiv: That is what I found interesting in that article. While in India the film actors and singers come from all backgrounds, including from wealthy families, in Pakistan it seems the caste stratification still exists. In Pakistani internet forums, I find that they commonly make derogatory refe...
by surinder
28 Apr 2012 11:01
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

http://www.chaf.lib.latrobe.edu.au/dcd/page.php?title=1881v3&action=previous&record=709 Gives great clarity to some things happening in Shitistan today Musalmans of Punjab THE MUSALMÁNS OF THE PUNJÁB. ... Indeed the same may be said of Sakhi Sarwar , who probably lived at least a century ea...
by surinder
28 Apr 2012 10:44
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Shiv, I think its time for you, surinder, sbajwa to collaborate and write a book on The Pakjab Mind on lines of Patai's book the Arab Mind. Offcourse it won't be as extensive Good idea. We should probably move some of the discussion to a more permanent long-term thread on understanding pakistan. I ...
by surinder
28 Apr 2012 10:41
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Further, the brits officials might themselves have had a hand in overreporting - when it became important to push up the "Islamic". It may help clear lots of confusions or false starts if people remember the axiom - anything and everything was possible by any British ruling regime in what...
by surinder
28 Apr 2012 10:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Why would there be large scale conversion post 1801 when Ranjit Singh was crowned and later Brits ruling part of Punjab. The conversions should have subsided after that period. Am I missing something ? Will X-post it to GDF thread. I would seriously doubt anyone converted to ROP post-RS. I think th...
by surinder
28 Apr 2012 10:34
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Surinder my quest for more info and conclusions did not come out of a vacuum. I had, at the back of my mind, impressions posted by you and Sandeep Bajwa. Shiv, you have a very incisive mind and intellect. For me the important thing is that my observation and feeling got validation from another well...
by surinder
25 Apr 2012 08:53
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

I have been trying to inform myself about the history of the Panchanada (Punjab) area. It strikes me that the Mussalmans of Punjab have never been rulers, they have always been ruled. At best they make loyal servants. They are more often traitors and collaborators. Please look up the history of Pun...
by surinder
23 Apr 2012 20:04
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

B-Ji, Thanks.

That we were dominated by such abominable societies is surprising. But this is a narrative they probably don't want to delve too much into.
by surinder
23 Apr 2012 18:59
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Brihaspati, thanks for the information.

The brave Ghazis and their Bachchabazie makes interesting stories.

In some sense this is our protection too--the more deranged their mind is, less danger they are to the world.
by surinder
22 Apr 2012 10:41
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Regarding licentiousness : there is a much more interesting angle to explore relevant for the entire history of Islamism right from its birth and coming right up to TSP jarnails. In the pre-condom days of the birth of the theology, classical authors refer to the several different forms of the infec...
by surinder
22 Apr 2012 10:38
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

The gusto with which TSP has spilled the story of Yahya's licentiousness, his dalliance with General Rani, Tiger "Surrender" Niazi's women etc. have a Piskological element. They serve to achieve a triple purpose: On one hand it serves to explain why TSP lost, obviously if the generals had ...
by surinder
22 Apr 2012 01:24
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

The glory of Paki Army in full frontal Nights of the knights Brigade Major Munawar Khan testified before the Hamood-ur -Rahman Commission (The Commission) that the [b]Commander Brigadier Hayatullah had brought some girls for entertainment in his bunker on the night of 11th & 12th December 1971 ...
by surinder
12 Apr 2012 10:30
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

TSP has fine tuned the art of calibrating their actions well. Steve Coll writes in Ghost wars that Zia's favorite saying during the A'stan J1had was to boil the water at the right temperature in A'stan for USSR. He, apparently, repeated this phrase. It is no small wonder that USSR was literally acro...
by surinder
05 Apr 2012 23:08
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Shiv, SSridhar: Thanks for the links. This apology-of-a-nation wanted to take the name "India" too ... shocking really. It seems to be one big large loot-maar: steal the Indian food and call it "mughal" and non-Indian. Steal a language (Hindi) call it Urdu. Steal our architecture...
by surinder
05 Apr 2012 23:05
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

shiv wrote:Isn't it curious that ten times as much trouble occurs in Karachi and in Peshawar/Quetta. But the army never gets called in? Why?


Interesting.

Actually, Shiv, could you expand on that?

You probably may think that it as an obvious common knowledge, but I don't totally get it.
by surinder
04 Apr 2012 22:22
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

shiv wrote:.. but by the fact that he expected India to call itself "Bharat" and give up the name India. And not doing that ended up being a grouse.



Shiv, is that true?
by surinder
03 Apr 2012 22:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Surinder, copy/paste from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morarji_Desai "B. Raman, the former head of the Counter-Terrorism Division of R&AW and noted security analyst, reveals that, in an unguarded moment, Morarji Desai indiscreetly told Pakistan's Chief Martial Law Administrator General Zia...
by surinder
03 Apr 2012 21:36
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

I dont know the answer precisely. But when it was discussed in the term of the then PM Gujral. Badmash is reported to have said, this doctrine is nothing but a doctrine to cease thy neighbor peacefully. Before Gujral we had another Gandhian named Morarji Desai who informed about the RAW operator in...
by surinder
03 Apr 2012 21:20
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012
Replies: 2868
Views: 104705

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Another person told me outside Gurdwara Nankana Sahib "Tusi sadian Maseetan Shaheed kar rahe o par assi tuhade Mandir/Gurdwarae bachaye hoye ne" "You are murdering our mosques while we are protecting your Mandirs and Gurdwaras" Is there a threat implied in this? This is horrible...
by surinder
17 Feb 2012 23:07
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65135

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

Wasn't the existence of Saraswati river proved recently from underground channels in Rajasthan?
by surinder
16 Feb 2012 20:28
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Understanding Sikh History-1
Replies: 667
Views: 6143

Re: Understanding Sikh History-1

Carl, this weekend. Promise. You can hold me to it.

But I have set myself up--handing out the intel on the weak parts of Sikh society will make the weapons in the hands of the criticizers more potent. Will give it a shot.
by surinder
16 Feb 2012 10:07
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Understanding Sikh History-1
Replies: 667
Views: 6143

Re: Understanding Sikh History-1

Dogras have protected their land, culture and knowledge very well. We don't need a " cut above the rest marital race wannabe" to post garbage like this copy-pasted from anti-Indian Khalistani websites. Don't blame Dogras for your own weakness and infighting among Sikh clans. No Sikh ruler...
by surinder
13 Feb 2012 06:04
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 2012
Replies: 2848
Views: 109071

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Jhujar wrote: It was 47 Chitter parade which brought them to Jameen from Jannat. ...


Never thought I'd hear these beautiful words on BRF.

Thanks, Jujhaar Ji, mainu thuaddey naal prem ho gaya hai ji.
by surinder
28 Jan 2012 00:12
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Understanding Sikh History-1
Replies: 667
Views: 6143

Re: Understanding Sikh History-1

Sanku Ji, No misunderstanding. No offence taken. Sometimes it appears that one is aiming to "spread" or "teach" or "convince". Your post just gave me a chance to clarify. I am here to learn, and share what I know/interpret. No more. I am learning here a lot. One thing I...
by surinder
27 Jan 2012 09:25
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Understanding Sikh History-1
Replies: 667
Views: 6143

Re: Understanding Sikh History-1

^^^ You have a point, SwamyG, but ... Yes, you cannot totally disentangle religion, but religion can mean discussion on subtle topics of aatma, paramatma, karma, medititation, theology, philosophy. One could go deep into those topics and pretty soon it becomes a fully religious threads. Here the aim...
by surinder
26 Jan 2012 06:29
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Understanding Sikh History-1
Replies: 667
Views: 6143

Re: Understanding Sikh History-1

In the anwwer to the above lies the core of the problem. A variant of this comes in many forms. Since times immemorial in India people have venerated thier own Guru and their figureheads. Why not extend the same couresy to the Sikhs? Sushupti-ji; Surinder-ji, Carl-ji and all others.; some pulls and...
by surinder
26 Jan 2012 06:28
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Understanding Sikh History-1
Replies: 667
Views: 6143

Re: Understanding Sikh History-1

svenkat wrote:surinderji,
I felt your comments on Rajputs very harsh and inappropriate for BRF.I will come back to it some other time.Not now.


I don't think I have said anything inappropriate about Rajputs. You are welcome to quote me and prove me wrong.
by surinder
26 Jan 2012 06:27
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Understanding Sikh History-1
Replies: 667
Views: 6143

Re: Understanding Sikh History-1

This difference of opinion is merely creating useless friction amongst ourselves, while not doing the task of getting others in our fold. For harmony, Dharmic traditions clearly have a common ground of method and practice, ethics and etiquette. However, prachaar is the game of doctrinal kashmakash....
by surinder
26 Jan 2012 06:14
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Understanding Sikh History-1
Replies: 667
Views: 6143

Re: Understanding Sikh History-1

"Sushupti" : In word's of Goel "Guru Nanak was by no means greater than other Sants like Garibdas (to whose panth Goel’s own family belonged) and I agree with that. Every person is entitled to think that HIS Guru is the best, HIS Guru is God himself. Why are you and Goel riled up ove...
by surinder
25 Jan 2012 23:47
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Understanding Sikh History-1
Replies: 667
Views: 6143

Re: Understanding Sikh History-1

In word's of Goel "Guru Nanak was by no means greater than other Sants like Garibdas (to whose panth Goel’s own family belonged) and I agree with that. Every person is entitled to think that HIS Guru is the best, HIS Guru is God himself. Why are you and Goel riled up over this. I have every ri...

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