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by ParGha
15 Jan 2018 16:25
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3547
Views: 416561

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread - August 9, 2014

arjun chassis with a smaller engine + more internal fuel should also be made into a 155mm low velocity siege cannon thing for infantry support role. this will supplement the usual BMP2 cannons which are not so effective in dense urbanized areas and hollow cement block houses which are common in rur...
by ParGha
10 Jan 2018 23:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Two and Half Front War Scenario
Replies: 209
Views: 22663

Re: Two and Half Front War Scenario

Singha-ji, The Paks are quite keen to fight, and they have large pools of excess and unemployable man-power to spill plenty of blood. 1948, 1965, 1971, 1999, 2011-Present prove this point. Of course, all of it melts away when Indians go on the offensive and threaten their fauji-feudal-mullah setup i...
by ParGha
10 Jan 2018 21:56
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Two and Half Front War Scenario
Replies: 209
Views: 22663

Re: Two and Half Front War Scenario

While I cannot predict anything, I would like to make a comment on "war" in general - since the thread is about war, and I see this form a historic perspective of wars in general. Historically different cultures have evolved a concept of total war, continuous war, 1000 years war, "aa...
by ParGha
10 Jan 2018 20:39
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Two and Half Front War Scenario
Replies: 209
Views: 22663

Re: Two and Half Front War Scenario

Let us be clear about one thing: preventing a two-and-a-half front war is more desirable and winnable than fighting a 2.5 Front War. History proves that fighting a two-front war is almost always a losing proposition (Napoleon between Brits+Portuguese in the south and Rus+Prussians in the north, Germ...
by ParGha
08 Jan 2018 02:08
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1820
Views: 275088

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

FWIW - Tesla drivers are reporting a 30-50% range loss this week with the NE US temperatures in -10 to -20C range. Forget about ever deploying this technology in Ladakh or Sikkim or North Kashmir.
by ParGha
25 Dec 2017 07:30
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Tactics & military craft
Replies: 346
Views: 30808

Re: Tactics & military craft

ramana wrote:Dont they have a training unit for troops reporting for RR duty?


XV and XVI Corps Battle Schools.

I thought his question was about troops leaving RR and going back to their parent units?
by ParGha
25 Dec 2017 04:35
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Tactics & military craft
Replies: 346
Views: 30808

Re: Tactics & military craft

It is very interesting to hear how much reorientation is required when moving to a new location or from COIN to regular roles. I would think that the change is maximum for Armd and Arty and some for Mech Inf, but it looks like its substantial even for Inf. If I understand it correctly, after an RR ...
by ParGha
25 Dec 2017 03:02
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Tactics & military craft
Replies: 346
Views: 30808

Re: Tactics & military craft

Re your examples of old operations and public though well known information I think it would be fine. In fact I am very intrigued by your suggested example. Please post. The 9th and 10th Para Commandos in Sri Lanka: same mission, same enemy, same terrain... very different tactics. When the men of t...
by ParGha
10 Dec 2017 21:52
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Tactics & military craft
Replies: 346
Views: 30808

Re: Tactics & military craft

Please clarify for this discussion: 1. What are the upper limits of tactical employment -- Is it the Western European definition of up to battalion (and equivalent unit) action? Or is it the Soviet definition of up to division (and equivalent formation) action? Along the same lines, what constitutes...
by ParGha
10 Dec 2017 08:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIV
Replies: 149
Views: 36932

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIV

The re-armament program under the National Re-Construction Plan (External Security), code-named the Cerberus Program, consisted of three divisions -- H1 focused on the immediate mass-production and deployment of low-complexity armament; H2 focused on medium-term acquisition, indegenization and deplo...
by ParGha
08 Dec 2017 03:22
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIV
Replies: 149
Views: 36932

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIV

ParGha, I am still waiting to know what happened next. It was supposed to be a catalyst for a collaborative writing exercise (a la PIMS-I style) to engage the mujs flushed out from the GDF. Who knew real world events would catch up to my ball-of-yarn? I will provide some more runway for the Cerberu...
by ParGha
25 Nov 2017 20:30
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1820
Views: 275088

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

It might be a stupid question but can arjun take a defensive role while t 90 takes an offensive role in the rear It is a legitimate question, and seriously worth pursuing if it helps preserve the knowledge and capabilities that has been built up over last 30 years, AND provides a platform to increm...
by ParGha
25 Nov 2017 20:17
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1820
Views: 275088

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

I’m talking direct line of sight fire here and you’re talking indirect fire? Do silver bullets miraculously travel at the speed of light and blow up enemy tanks? It is very difficult to hit a moving target with direct fire artillery, and it is very dangerous to your crew especially after the first ...
by ParGha
22 Nov 2017 22:31
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1820
Views: 275088

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

What is the safe crew height for the Arjuns? For comparison -- in T-72 and T-90, the max safe height for driver is 5'7" and 5'9" for the gunner and the commander. For T-55s the loaders were max 5'5" (usually 5'3"), though others could safely be 5'7" max. They are a little bi...
by ParGha
22 Nov 2017 19:30
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1820
Views: 275088

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

Given our almost total inventory of Sov./Ru MBTs,the favourite for the JV partner will in all likelihood be UVZ (UranVagonzavod)) makers of a certain tracked AV called "Armata"! As I have posted elsewhere, even Russians themselves think that T-14 is too "western" in its design p...
by ParGha
19 Nov 2017 19:39
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1820
Views: 275088

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

Lolz, hundreds of years from now archeologists will be able to find out all about Russian tanks by digging around the borders of an erstwhile Chinese civilization: T-34s in Manchuria, T-55s in East Turkestan, T-62s along the Amur River, T-72s in the Himalayas, and who knows where outdated T-90s and ...
by ParGha
13 Nov 2017 11:11
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operational Art or War Doctrine
Replies: 48
Views: 6554

Re: Operational Art or War Doctrine

The Soviets had done a ton of very detailed work around force-sizes, scale and level of effort at operational level — so to talk about operational art without appreciating the work put into the operational science opens up the discussion to a lot of hand-waving and hot-air. You have to understand th...
by ParGha
10 Nov 2017 20:00
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1820
Views: 275088

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

What is it that tanks still bring on table for us considering our requirements vis-à-vis bakis and chinis..? In general MBTs and heavy IFVs, 1. with the correct anti-radiation lining and filtration systems have the ability to continue operations around the edges of NBC contaminated zones where thin...
by ParGha
07 Nov 2017 22:53
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1820
Views: 275088

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

srai wrote:
Philip wrote:Agreed,but it makes the MBT smaller and lighter.
FMBT will be that.


What is the target weight range envisioned for the FMBT?

JSDF Type-10 50T or lower would be a good target.
by ParGha
07 Nov 2017 08:09
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Small Arms Thread
Replies: 4645
Views: 819587

Re: Small Arms Thread

Holy Guacamole -- the "indigenous rifle" is "cheap" @Rs 50,000 (~$770)? And you want to pay Rs 200,000 (~$3,000) a piece for an imported rifle? What world do these guys live in? Even the FN charges the US government ~$500 per M4, with all of Pentagon's waste and much higher labor...
by ParGha
05 Nov 2017 19:17
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Small Arms Thread
Replies: 4645
Views: 819587

Re: Small Arms Thread

Kakkaji wrote:Is Ghatak 7.62mm or 5.56mm?


7.62x39mm
by ParGha
25 Oct 2017 17:40
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1820
Views: 275088

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

No. Arjun is planned to be deployed in the desert area. Merhinks it’s been setup for failure — a heavy tank like Arjun should be deployed in strategic positions like Akhnoor and Gurdaspur District, where there is going to be tank-on-tank bloodbaths. Not in the deserts, where light and fast moving c...
by ParGha
21 Oct 2017 16:50
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Small Arms Thread
Replies: 4645
Views: 819587

Re: Small Arms Thread

OFB 7.62x51 rifle. Looks better with telescopic butt stock though. The skeleton stock looks flimsy, especially for a full battle rifle round’s recoil. Agree that the telescoping stock looks much better, but I’d happily take a sturdy wood stock from whatever tree grows the fastest in India with acce...
by ParGha
08 Oct 2017 15:53
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3547
Views: 416561

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread - August 9, 2014

No. Tata Kestrel is not a BMP replacement. At best, it is a recce jeep or BRDM replacement. I am not sure if we have dedicated ATGM units but possibly it is one such use case The Brigade of the Guards provides ATGM detachments as needed. However this is too big just for an ATGM team. It is more fit...
by ParGha
07 Oct 2017 07:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIV
Replies: 149
Views: 36932

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIV

"The French must not trace this back to us -- god knows they are getting their pound of flesh, but if they or the Brits or the Italians smell a conflict, they will bleed us dry," Warichoo cautioned. Rao was well aware of the Cerberus H2's as-yet-unresolved dependency on French technology a...
by ParGha
04 Oct 2017 07:17
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIV
Replies: 149
Views: 36932

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIV

With GDF shut down and Ahuja MIA, just an attempt to kick this back into life and restart collaborative writing as in early PIMS threads.
by ParGha
04 Oct 2017 07:16
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIV
Replies: 149
Views: 36932

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIV

NSN Report (Beijing): On Tuesday the Chinese PLA Air Force interceptors shot down an intruding Indian Air Force unmanned aerial vehicle. The shoot-down of the surveillance aircraft was the second such incident in less than a week. A PLAAF spokesperson, Colonel Laan Qin, issued an official statement...
by ParGha
16 Aug 2017 07:02
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3547
Views: 416561

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread - August 9, 2014

I believe some here (Rohit Vats?) proposed issuing the Arjun to holding corps in the desert. There aren't many bridges or culverts to traverse in the sector, and the Arjun's low ground pressure would open up many new axes for exploitation. And because it wouldn't be penetrating very far into enemy ...
by ParGha
02 Aug 2017 05:44
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3547
Views: 416561

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread - August 9, 2014

Actually, I take that back: I'm not even sure if a lightly armored, fast moving, main gunned tank like M18 is viable any more in this age of computer stabilized fire. You would have to be much faster... LCH fast... to survive on speed alone while hunting modern MBTs.
by ParGha
01 Aug 2017 16:39
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3547
Views: 416561

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread - August 9, 2014

Stryker has multiple variants, but it is wheeled. Not sure if IA will like it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1128_Mobile_Gun_System FWIW, the Stryker MGS has very poor feedback from troops who have actually used it in battle; what they most appreciate about it is the night vision suite which guid...
by ParGha
25 Jun 2017 02:07
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes
Replies: 1227
Views: 152915

Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

There is a much simple solution. Air strikes on the company/ brigade posts and hq. We think of "ideas" because we dont have the b**lls to blow the Paki Company to bits. A field HQ is 15-20 men, a few radios, maps, tables and chairs... often dug in and hard to spot. If you want to blow up ...
by ParGha
15 May 2017 15:45
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3547
Views: 416561

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread - August 9, 2014

Had a "doh!" moment -- at this heights it may just be cheaper and more effective to lay a network of sensors and use UCAVs or AirCav for "raiding", than to send out road-watch teams and keep them supplied with utility airplanes LRDG-style. It may have happened even many decades b...
by ParGha
13 May 2017 01:03
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3547
Views: 416561

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread - August 9, 2014

I agree that the air force and navy have a point. But it occurs to me that the army has a point too. Let me explain by simply quoting from an article that I had posted in the shivering thread written by Lt Gen Gautam Banerjee http://www.vifindia.org/print/1828 No doubt, the whole system of inductio...
by ParGha
11 May 2017 17:36
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3547
Views: 416561

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread - August 9, 2014

Aksai Chin is tank country. Bum-La area is tank country. Every kilogram counts as one tries to get higher and higher in altitude using air logistics and that is why light tanks have found themselves in high altitude battles more often than heavies. The T-72 is proven air-transportable into Ladakh a...
by ParGha
07 May 2017 16:18
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3547
Views: 416561

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread - August 9, 2014

Take T-90 shell. We anyway manufacture barrel & it has kanchan armour. The T-72s -- maybe even the T-90s -- were sold without radiation-protection lining, as per standard Soviet export control practices. Did India ever come up with its own lining and sealing for these tanks? Does Arjun series h...
by ParGha
29 Apr 2017 16:19
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3547
Views: 416561

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread - August 9, 2014

The armoured corps IMO is split on the Arjun. On the one hand they want improvements to it which add weight. But on the other hand they want the tank to loose weight. Then the solution is two types of tanks: a heavy 60+ ton "heavy cavalry" to slug it out on the politically sensitive Punja...
by ParGha
14 Apr 2017 18:56
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3547
Views: 416561

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread - August 9, 2014

A question on the performance of light tanks in Indian Army experience in both the 1965 and 197 wars? How did they perform and what were the losses? In 1965 AMX 13 and some Sherman were there. In 1948 light tanks and armored cars like the Stuarts and Humbers were war-winners in OP Bison, Polo, etc....
by ParGha
11 Apr 2017 20:21
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?
Replies: 1451
Views: 187929

Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

It sounds like a cheap Ponzi scheme and it is amazing how entire nations can be gullible enough to swallow this crap. You can fool people and manipulate them from Beijing, but you can't fool Mother Nature. By 2040 north-west Indian sub-continent is expected to lose 50% of its rainfall (https://moth...
by ParGha
11 Apr 2017 19:39
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?
Replies: 1451
Views: 187929

Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

No Tibetan or Uighur can over hope to be in charge of a PLA regiment. Most Tibetans and Uighur won't even be permitted to train and hold weapons in PLA because they will go shoot their Han colleagues instead of Indian soldiers. At the Battle of Chushul, all the assault units were 100% Uighurs/Mugha...

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