Bharat Rakshak

Q.Quincy, <P>I entirely agree with your assesment, i tried to keep it focussed but the book has some rather tempting historical stuff in it. <P>Right now i dont have any plans to build up a PA orbat site. even if i can build up one small database with positive credibility material and then if the Ad...

Q.Quincy<P>I trawled through the articles upto oct98, pertaining to events around 1962-1971. <P>This is what i dug out.. i am calling it quits at this stage, i need to get some sleep.. <P>A lot of it is just excerpts from the text so it is not all coherent. each blank line denotes the start of a new...

Q.Quincy, <P>Thanks for your prompt reply. I have been rather busy lately, but i shall find the time to read through BRIG (Retd) ZA Khans material. It should offer us at least a first order approximation to what is the structure of the PA. <P>I shall also download all the articles and store them for...

Q.Quincy,<P>There are several reports at the Defence Journal Site, by officers that speak of their days in the army. <P>These accounts contain details of the corps architecture (often below the divisional level), is this susceptible to change? <P>Does the structure of a division change? <P>As an exa...

a little short on time right now but will post soon.. so UP..

As short Note on credibility rating system <P>Four categories. (Listed in order of decreasing credibilities)<P>1)Affirmative. :- very reliable information, such as information presented from reputed military journal, directly presented/public testimonies of Military/Government officers. <P>2) Posit...

<B>Source</B> The DAWN <A HREF="http://www.dawn.com/daily/19991121/nat4.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.dawn.com/daily/19991121/nat4.htm</A> <P>Credibility(Positive/Affirmative)<P>Project inaugurated: Karachi to get 40mgd additional water <P>KARACHI, Nov 20: The additional 40 million gallons...

JayJi,<P>The information so far indicates that the Mangla Corps(I) is a Strategic Reserve. to back up the XXXth at Gujranwala. <P>There is also a town called mangla at the base of the Mangla Dam at the POK, Punjab Border north west of the Pindi-Jhelum highway. <BR> <A HREF="http://star.physics....

<B>PA OrBat </B><P><I> General Information and Notes </I> <P>Pakistan Army has a force strength of 550,000 troops plus around 100000 reserves. <P>The command structure has a Principal Staff Officers Committee(PSOC) headed by the Chief of Army Staff(COAS), with four other general officers. The PA Gen...

Q.Quincy and Badar,<P>I am going to try to organise the information that we do have so far. <P>I am drawing on Badars list and will build up from there. <P>Q.Quincy i have no clue why the Denver U site is inaccessible from your computer, i seem to be able to access it fine. <P>Shiv I have the thread...

<I>Source</I><BR>After sitting at yale liby and trawling painfully through the last 20/so days of The Dawn. <P>Credibility(Positive)<P>8 Nov. (Pg 7)<BR><I> Lt. Gen Agha Jehangir Ali Khan CC(Gujranwala)</I> was the chief guest at the passing out parade of the Fixed Wing Pilot Course at <I> Army Aviat...

Source (http://www.ipcs.org/projects/mil-data/mil-pak.htm)<P>Credibility (Positive)(material appears old)<P>Organisation : <BR> <BR>Corps HQ 9<BR>Armoured Divisions 2<BR>Infantry Divisions 19<BR>Artillery Divisions 1<BR>Independent Armoured Bridgades 7<BR>Independent Mechanical Infantry Brigades 6<...

Source <BR>(http://www.ipcs.org/projects/mil-data/mil-pak.htm)<P>Credibility(Positive). <P><BR>PARAMILITARY FORCES <BR> <BR>National Guard <BR>Janbaz Force, Mujahid Force, National Cadet Corps, Women Guards 185000<BR> <BR>Frontier Corps ( Ministry of Interior ) With 45 UR-416 APC 35,000<P> <BR>Paki...

Source (http://www.ipcs.org/states/pak-nr.html)<P>Credibility(Positive). <P>Civil-military watchdog for Pak. (Amit Baruah) The Hindu 12 November 99 <P>The Pakistani Chief Executive, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, has stressed that only "civil-military combine'' can overcome the massive problems facing...

<I>Source</I> (http://www.paktoday.com/dciplin.htm)<BR>Credibility (Positive). <P>We have some more names and it appears the the 6th Punjab is based at Karachi. <P>The Army And Discipline<P>By: Ikram Sehgal<P>A cryptic announcement became the subject of headline Saturday Oct. 8 that Lt. Gen. Tariq P...

From (http://www.rpi.edu/dept/union/paksa/www/html/pakistan/army.html)<P>Reliability (?) (materail appears old)<BR>But the details about the PSOC are interesting. <BR>******************************************<P>The chief of the army staff supervises his service through the Army General<BR> Headquar...

From the following site<BR>(http://www.du.edu/~tomills/military/asia/pa1990.htm)<P><I> REGIMENTAL LIST</I><P>Credibility (?)<P>Units are listed in order of precedence in 1990. Pakistan had become a<BR>republic in 1956, and regiments consequently omitted all traces of royal<BR>affiliations. The creat...

The day's catch. from. <BR> <A HREF="http://www.frontierpost.com.pk" TARGET=_blank>http://www.frontierpost.com.pk</A> <P>Ehtesab Cell, GHQ Rawalpindi, Lieutenant General Amjad Hussain<P>Action demanded against police high-handedness <BR> F.P. Report <BR>PESHAWAR - The Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakist...

More Names.. look the name of the V Corps Commander. <BR> <A HREF="http://www.dawn.com/daily/19991116/top2.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.dawn.com/daily/19991116/top2.htm</A> <P>Corps Commander 5 Corps Lieutenant<BR>Genreal Muzaffar H Usmani alongwith major Zaffar-Ullah Khan Wazir arrived a...

Q Quincy,<P>My focus is to identify the PSOC and the Corps Commanders and their assets list. <P><I>I have 19 divisions, whereas the sources posted by Mr. Sainis have 21. There are two possibilities. (1) There is a reference to the Gilgit division. Gilgit is the HQ for FCNA, which is still very much ...

here is a fair catch (well very good catch)<BR> (http://www.piads.com.pk/news99jula.html)<P>Pakistan Army's strike, defence corps move to border <P>8 July 1999 <P>Javad Muzaffar <P>LAHORE: The two strike corps of the Pakistan Army and the two adjoining defence corps have fully mobilised manpower and...

Sunil Gupta,<P>Somehow i doubt that the americans trained any NLI chaps. <P>I believe the NLI is what was classified as a civil-armed force. It consists of volounteers (civilian) and people seconded from the regular PA. The NLI was only just(post Kargil) raised to the status of a full regiment of th...

Revised estimates after trawling through PAIDS archive as far back as july 15 1999 to the present date.<P>(http://www.piads.com.pk/pdnb-index.html)<P>I shall update this as soon as I find new info)<P><I> Defence Secy.</I> lt Gen (R) Nasim Rana<BR><I> Military Secy.</I> (Brig Javed Malik (*Courtmarti...

GOC Karachi, Major Gen. Iftikhar<P>Here are more names.<P>Lt. General Zulfiqar Ali Khan (Chairman WAPDA)<P>source:http://www.dawn.com/daily/19991115/latest.htm<P>Lt Gen (retd) Nasim Rana, appointed Secretary Defence on contract; and Lt<BR>Gen (retd) Javed<BR>Ashraf, appointed on contract as Secretar...

Hi,<P>the sources are news articles that came out just around the coup. <P>I dont know where the gaps come from andi think Ist Corps (Mangla) is the strike corps. <P>the rest i dont know. <P>The way i suggest we do this is that <P>1) we surf the news sites esp the pakistani ones. <P>2) the moment an...

Hi,<P>This is an attempt to make sense out a vast number of names and alphabets flowing rather freely around. so please add to this as you find things.. i dont recall who it was that <BR>said "Know thy enemy"..but lets see if we can draw up a list of the formations and their heads.<P>GHQ (...

How about a <P></I>BR Technical Division <P>

psmith,<P>you shan't have to wait long.. just in the process of typing up the thing, need to check some thing about the type of Monte Carlo simulators used. <P>keep the bookmarks coming. <BR>

Ramana,<P>yes. I'll do it. <P>I have a lot of work today so give me until tomorrow. <P>regards<BR>

Psmith rules... all hail.

faheen:<P>is that an account from bombay or karachi? <BR>

i agree with bala, a western view point. <P>we cannot expect the men of the west to understand/feel the compulsions of our government and yet the article is very balanced and refreshingly `realistic'. <P>On one hand you have people like Zia Mian and then on the other hand you have this one.. i guess...

Salman, <P>>the re-use of books in the last days of the war by soviets.<P>some accounts say that they duplicated one time pads for their regular FO/Trade channels, and some for the ambassadorial channels in the early fifties, this aided in the VENONA effort. <P>Though VENONA was supersecret in its t...

eh.. <P>whats all this about Echelon being under UKUSA? <P>I thought UKUSA coved only photographic satelite intel. does it extend to this Echelon? <P>does anyone know? <P>Imtiaz,<P>RSA is just one of many, but RSA is used over most of the internet.. public and private key stuff. look here.. <BR> <A ...