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by A_Gupta
18 Oct 2010 08:11
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010
Replies: 2841
Views: 494222

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

More on possible EU trade concessions to Pakistan: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LJ14Df01.html ritain, Sweden and Germany reportedly pushed for the trade benefits to Pakistan, while France, Italy, Portugal and other EU states with large domestic textile and clothing industries were reticen...
by A_Gupta
18 Oct 2010 02:41
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

One of the things that Muslims zealots are afraid of is that it will set up a precedent where all 2000 odd temples destroyed would also be need to be investigated. I guess most Hindus would be satisfied with 3 most important, RJB, Kashi and Benares. I believe Parliament has already passed a law res...
by A_Gupta
16 Oct 2010 03:25
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Few things we should remember here Strangely , There is no mention of Mir Baqui in Babarnama. There is not record in Babarnama for the period during which this destruction has happened. There is no record to indicate that Babar ordered or Mir Baqui built the DS on orders of Babar. Let us be accurat...
by A_Gupta
16 Oct 2010 03:12
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

If I may interject, I think you need to also factor in one more aspect i.e. the timeperiod of the Mandir being replaced by a masjid. At the time when the Mandir was destroyed, the Invaders were neither of a secular nor psuedo-secular persuasion. They were Islamic rulers plain and simple. Do you thi...
by A_Gupta
16 Oct 2010 02:21
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Why do you say absence of hindu words when its their tradition that it was destroyed by Babar? Even Guru Nanak has written about it. And who is this Arjun you quote so strongly? Was he a witness or a judge? 1. Have you been reading this thread? 2. Guru Nanak has not written about Babar destroying R...
by A_Gupta
16 Oct 2010 01:30
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

I do want to note one thing - the absence of word from our Hindu forebears would indicate to me that neither who nor when the temple was destroyed was not of significance to them - as in something worth recording, and preserving the record. What mattered to them was the fact of the loss. If we accep...
by A_Gupta
16 Oct 2010 01:24
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

I must say, the judges did the best they did to piece together a legal argument through the inexpert experts and lousy evidence they were given. But that doesn't mean we turn off our brains. A polite question: what should, in your opinion have been the verdict? I am not clear what you are getting a...
by A_Gupta
16 Oct 2010 01:22
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Arun, Is the idea that only Western travellers records or that of Muslim historians count for evidence? Follow my train of thought, if you please. Arjun argues against the Mir Baqi inscriptions. It is an argument from silence - had there been inscriptions, Tieffenthaler would have noted them. Somew...
by A_Gupta
15 Oct 2010 23:30
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

So let us see: William Finch (~1610) does not report a mosque in Ramkot. Nor does he report a temple. There are only the "ruines of Ranichand[s] castle and houses". The along comes Tieffenthaler in 1740 or so, and there is a mosque, but he doesn't report inscriptions. So in between, suppos...
by A_Gupta
15 Oct 2010 21:32
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

BTW, you know that most of Tieffenthaller's writings are either not published and in manuscript form only, or else lost?
by A_Gupta
15 Oct 2010 21:21
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

^^^ You're assuming that this mosque thing was a big matter of interest for him. In fact, the more his output was, the less significant would one such thing be for him. What would matter most to him is things of great antiquity that might challenge the Biblical story. Once there is no original Ram t...
by A_Gupta
15 Oct 2010 19:32
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010
Replies: 2841
Views: 494222

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

"Pakistan Public Debt: A Brief Overview", by Emma Xiaoqin Fan, Asian Development Bank, April 2007, says: "Pakistan entered the 21st century with serious financial problems. Public debt exceeded 90% of its GDP, over 600% of its annual revenues, and debt servicing accounted for over hal...
by A_Gupta
15 Oct 2010 17:58
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Also just want to point out, e.g., that when the court writes: Sri P.N. Mishra, learned counsel further submitted that had the building in dispute constructed in 1528 and that too at the command of Emperor Babar, it would be inconceivable that Abul Fazal Allami in his work “Ain-e-Akbari” would have ...
by A_Gupta
15 Oct 2010 17:43
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Montgomery Martin does not mention any details of the inscription that he saw (e.g, 935 AH) and so Carnegy must have seen the inscriptions for himself. While the court could not take cognisance of the British Library papers submitted by the VHP, with Buchanan's 1814 notes, I have no reason to disbel...
by A_Gupta
15 Oct 2010 17:16
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Given this background, and noting that Tieffenthaler was the kind of person who would be very interested in resolving the dispute and given that the inscriptions were claimed to be there in a language which he could very well understand, there would not be any reason why he would not take note of i...
by A_Gupta
15 Oct 2010 06:17
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

FYI, Historical Sketch of Tahsil Fyzabad, Zilla Fyzabad including Parganas Haveli-Oudh and Pachhimrath, with the old capitals Ajudhia and Fyzabad, by P. Carnegy, Officiating Commissioner and Settlement Officer, 1870 says the following: Concluding remarks - I will now sum up these remarks by observin...
by A_Gupta
15 Oct 2010 04:47
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

FYI, Gazetteer of the Province of Oudh, 1877
In two places in the Babari Mosque, the year in which it was built, 935 H, corresponding to 1528 AD, is carved in stone, along with inscriptions dedicated to the glory of that Emperor.
by A_Gupta
15 Oct 2010 04:12
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Tieffenthaler spent several years in Ayodhya and was a very well regarded historian. He could read Arabic and Persian and Sanskrit, yet does not mention any inscriptions on mosque, which he would definitely have noticed and been able to translate and therefore recorded the mosque lineage with certa...
by A_Gupta
15 Oct 2010 03:10
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

These inscriptions were translated subsequently and appeared in Baburnama of Beveridge, but the court was not able to obtain any trail of the authenticity of the copy or translations. Morover, the inscriptions mysteriously 'disappeared' in 1934 with the claim that these were destroyed in riots of 1...
by A_Gupta
14 Oct 2010 17:18
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Camera and Photography Thread -III
Replies: 4098
Views: 45781

Re: Camera and Photography Thread -III

The EXIF data from the image above is: Camera Maker: Canon Camera Model: Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL Image Date: 2005:01:24 19:32:00 Focal Length: 10mm Aperture: f/2.1 Exposure Time: 2.0000 s ISO equiv: 100 Exposure Bias: +1.00 EV Color Space: sRGB -- See, to get a good exposure in his dim indoor light ...
by A_Gupta
14 Oct 2010 17:11
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Camera and Photography Thread -III
Replies: 4098
Views: 45781

Re: Camera and Photography Thread -III

Q1) Now bliss to explain what these numbers f3.x-5.x etc. mean. Q2) A_Gupta ji said anything slower than f2.8 is not good for children who usually don't sit at one spot for more than a few sec. So how does the number 2.8 relate to speed? Q3) A 50mm f1.8 is a cheap $100 lens. There are 50mm f1.2 and...
by A_Gupta
14 Oct 2010 14:43
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: J & K news and discussion
Replies: 3371
Views: 480385

Re: J & K news and discussion

Thousands fled India-controlled Kashmir. Are they better off in Pakistan? http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central/2010/1013/Thousands-fled-India-controlled-Kashmir.-Are-they-better-off-in-Pakistan Some 35,000 Kashmiris fled from India-controlled Kashmir during the 1990s to settle in Pakis...
by A_Gupta
14 Oct 2010 14:32
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010
Replies: 2841
Views: 494222

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_pakistan [not sure how long this URL will work] MULTAN, Pakistan – Pakistani police said Thursday they have foiled a plot to kill the country's prime minister, foreign minister and other senior police, army and government officials by arresting a group of seven militant...
by A_Gupta
14 Oct 2010 08:36
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis
Replies: 4002
Views: 455687

Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis

http://criticalppp.com/archives/25851 According to Israeli literary lion Hillel Halkin, Islam is “an insult to human intelligence.” That’s a harsh assessment, but then Islam is also harsh in its assessment of Jews, so one might say it’s a saw-off on the phobia front. What is to be done about Islam’s...
by A_Gupta
14 Oct 2010 08:29
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis
Replies: 4002
Views: 455687

Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis

http://changinguppakistan.wordpress.com/2010/10/13/problems-with-satirizing-the-muslim-world/ According to columnist Andrew Alexander, the Washington Post’s editors recently pulled a Non Sequitor comic strip by Wiley Miller, because they were “concerned it might offend and provoke some Post readers,...
by A_Gupta
14 Oct 2010 04:37
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Camera and Photography Thread -III
Replies: 4098
Views: 45781

Re: Camera and Photography Thread -III

archan, 1. Infant, indoors - you'll need f/2.8 or faster most of the time. (Outdoors, daytime, it doesn't matter). 2. Glass is more valuable than camera body. Glass lasts longer. Balance in favor of glass. 3. Two very good, relatively inexpensive (i.e., Canon non-L) primes are the 50mm f/1.4 and the...
by A_Gupta
14 Oct 2010 04:24
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Camera and Photography Thread -III
Replies: 4098
Views: 45781

Re: Camera and Photography Thread -III

Purush: Finally, I was able to upload the image. I was talking about these golf balls. The White Balance was set to Auto; and the flash light has almost washed the picture. Can anything be done for these sort of pictures? Yes, very much so. The T1i has exposure compensation in the Creative mode, an...
by A_Gupta
14 Oct 2010 03:59
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

^^^^
I have a feeling we haven't examined the Persian archives deeply enough. Or that some documents have been "disappeared".
by A_Gupta
14 Oct 2010 03:57
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010
Replies: 2841
Views: 494222

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Leonard wrote:Soon they shall reach the exalted state of "desert rats" ... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Call it going Saudi.
by A_Gupta
13 Oct 2010 21:49
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

1. No, I believe the two inscriptions on the mosque are not fakes, nor transported and falsely affixed from anywhere else. The folk traditions squarely place Aurangzeb as the demolisher of the Swarga Dwara and Treta ke Thakur, but also say maybe Aurangzeb or maybe Babur demolished the Janmabhumi. Mo...
by A_Gupta
13 Oct 2010 19:57
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

chetak wrote:People have continued to fight for it over many centuries.
Absolutely no doubt of that.
by A_Gupta
13 Oct 2010 17:38
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Earthquake of 1505: Indian Journal of History of Science, 34(3) 1999 Earthquake History of India in Medieval Times R.N. Iyengar, Devendra Sharma, J.M. Siddiqui A destructive earthquake at Agra and in North-West India on Sunday 6th July 1505 AD This earthquake is well described in primary sources.......
by A_Gupta
13 Oct 2010 17:25
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Replies: 1043
Views: 196924

Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

http://twocircles.net/2010oct11/publication_asi_report_ayodhya_excavation_demanded.html Publication of ASI report on Ayodhya excavation demanded New Delhi: In a statement, various historians, members of civil society groups and concerned individuals have demanded for the publication of ASI Report on...
by A_Gupta
13 Oct 2010 05:13
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010
Replies: 2841
Views: 494222

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

http://criticalppp.com/archives/25777
Geo TV / Jang Group’s alliance with Sipah-e-Sahaba exposed
by A_Gupta
13 Oct 2010 05:06
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Mumbai Terrorist Attack-News stories and timeline
Replies: 2954
Views: 491601

Re: Mumbai Terrorist Attack-News stories and timeline

^^^^ It is incoherent. See the quote in context: I met Maria Mooers soon after I arrived in Bombay in January. The hotel had just reopened in the wake of the 60 hours of carnage that had unspooled on international TV the last week of November. Mooers was one of the first guests to return. Following ...
by A_Gupta
12 Oct 2010 22:58
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010
Replies: 2841
Views: 494222

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Bollywood-causes-global-water-shortage/H1-Article1-611946.aspx Bollywood causes global water shortage' What is the prime reason for the world's water shortage? Bollywood films, according to a prominent Pakistani paper. 8.4 million liters is about 3 Olympic swimming poo...
by A_Gupta
12 Oct 2010 20:17
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010
Replies: 2841
Views: 494222

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2010/10/11/reducing-the-role-of-political-islam/#comment-47521 The end result is, the debate in Pakistan is censored and limited to the interpretations of Islam. As long as Islam exists in Pakistan, the ambitious and the Machiavellian will exploit it for their own en...
by A_Gupta
12 Oct 2010 07:04
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Mumbai Terrorist Attack-News stories and timeline
Replies: 2954
Views: 491601

Re: Mumbai Terrorist Attack-News stories and timeline

Finally, local don's Headley link found Diesel smuggling? The arbitrage opportunities offered up by India's less-than-open-market seem to sustain a huge amount of criminal activity, that ultimately hurts India's security - not to mention the amount of political corruption, corruption of law enforce...
by A_Gupta
12 Oct 2010 06:58
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010
Replies: 2841
Views: 494222

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

^^^ No longer would one commander talk to the Pakistanis and another to the Indians.. The whole purpose of having two commands is that - to have two voices. One to keep India happy and one to keep Pakistan happy. This Riedel idiot doesn't realize that the result of a single command would be to lose ...