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IN knows more about their business than IAF. If IN went the IAF route we would have had only a 10 ship navy....

Sarcasm-IAF is more akin to a safe to raided for $$$ by politicos and arms peddlers

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Can anyone summarize what this 20 billion - 100 Rafale wonder will do for us - apart from defending Delhi? Looking at what will happen in the aerial zone - Anyone taking on PRC or Pakistan will have to face off thousands of cheap cruise missiles to begin with (Chinese export to Pakis). These are lit...

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Search youtube and look at the IN KA-31 AEW walk around video. The 'miniscule' single operator screen size summarizes everything to know about the platform. We need to send it to DRDO and refit the platform with some goodies from our desi AWACS. Need for AEW&C platforms operating off naval ships...

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We already have the next gen Armata i.e. Armada ( from Mahindra) which requires only one crew member to operate - driver

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That target aircraft is a Rafale @ 200 million apiece. Even the thought of it been painted by any radar makes me nervous, imagine if we lost one during training. It's like losing your retirement savings in one shot. Well C-130 was 300 Mil a piece, but guess we got over it very quickly. The fact is ...

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That target aircraft is a Rafale @ 200 million apiece. Even the thought of it been painted by any radar makes me nervous, imagine if we lost one during training. It's like losing your retirement savings in one shot.

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It's an overkill - Too many eggs in one basket

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^ Guessing these new corvettes will be for anti submarine and anti mine missions, likely to not venture far from home base. 35 knots top speed makes sense to move quickly into target area and out of harms way. Missile complement aka Brahmos and Urans is not meaningful given mission profile. Hopefull...

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The bubble canopy partially covered .... rapidly thin waist .. the prominent curvy rump immediately afterwards and those the thunder thighs ... it is Khajuraho in the sky boss :mrgreen: No wonder it is disliked by its intended original user. Note to DRDO/HAL/NAL - Next time make it blonde (gold can...

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^ Am I reading this right? That comes to 5 million per air launched Brahmos missile. Is this bird been made in France or in a Swiss bank locker? Even the Tomahawk comes for $1.6 million a piece (Wiki and http://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/defbudget/fy2015/fy2015_Weapons.pdf#page=65)...

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For the brave souls riding in to battle in Tincans, we should feel ashamed of our inability to give them a decent fighting chance even before they put their fighting boots on. The difference in protection is like swimming with swimming trunks (Tincans) or wet suit (Arjun) in freezing waters. Value o...

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^ Something of this scale cannot be pulled off easily. No one wants to say the obvious here but this will have to run deep and wide to happen in the first place and then be sustained for a decade. At the minimum, this calls for a reset in our relationships with our so called friends. I like 'commona...

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To Summarise above - 1. Their are two classes of MBT tanks. Light MBT is basically the T-series (72,80,90) and Heavy 'Western' series (M1, Challenger,Merkava) 2. Anti tank missiles have improved significantly through innovation (tandem warhead, top attack, RF cuing...) while MBT protection has been...

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Has anyone come across cost estimates on staging this 'Parade'. Quite seriously - I think we are spending in excess of 100 million $ easy (pure guesswork). Heck Obama security will be costing US double of this amount easy. I like the parade and all but this is getting to be a costly show because of ...

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Repeat of 'Divide And Rule' approach.

Divide Indian defense establishment in to HAL vs IAF vs. DRDO slugfest so that no one wants to work with another and prefer neutral 'Imports'.

Just like we prefer 'neutral' English over any Indian Language.

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Joke on- Who will stop Rafale deal from coming through: Simplify profit share for 20 billion deal Cost of 100 Rafale - 5 Billion Dassault Profit margin - 5 billion HAL profit margin - 5 billion Official greasing - 5 billion Oops elected Government changed, Dassault needs more grease to get this thro...

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Does it mean PAKFA in Chinese colors. Is their any acknowledgement that technology (Radar, RAM and all) will not be shared with China since India is investing? Don't want to see repeat of MKI and MKK/Su-35 story.

Achievement for Russia is 100% correct - to sell to both sides of confrontation.

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^ Simple answer - We cannot start a war with anyone period. We can only defend ourselves until our FOREX goes to empty. With Pakis -American/European supply chain is suspect With China - Russian supply chain is suspect And rest assured - All of our foreign suppliers will screw us up on 'emergency' s...

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@ Victor - It's other way around. All airlines would like Boeing to take full ownership of parts and services. Why is it so - because of pooling of resources and cost savings to all users. Only large airlines have fleet maintenance facilities, but are outsourcing them day by day. For example - A Boe...

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@ Phillip Sir - Their is no 5, 10 or 15 B $ for spending on MKI, Mig-29, FGFA, F-18 or F-35. A quick stroll in Mumbai (or any other metro) suburbs will help folks understand ground reality - recommended for posh Delhi/Paris/Moscow/Washington/London class. Taking a quote from renowned economist MMS -...

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^ What you are hinting is that the profit from Indian order is already baked in to Dassault Aviation price. Since it's about double after our L1 announcement i.e. $ 5 billion increase on a $ 10 billion order (now 20 and even approaching 30 billion $), profit margin is easy 40% - considering markets ...

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Here is my simple suggestion to GOI before packing bags for Europe Dassault Rafale deal price - $ 20 ~ 40 Billion > Approx. 30 billion Dassault Rafale Profit Margin - 33% or more Dassault Profit - $ 30 billion * 33% ~ 10 Billion $ Compare this to Dassault Aviation Market Cap < 10 Billion $ Better fo...

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US is unlikely to do any TOT for 100 odd plane order when they already have 2~3000 orders. Dassault is entertaining us as we will potentially be a larger customer than even France for their Rafale. That said US should see the strategic value in 'Made in India' for furthering their economic and strat...

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@ Victor - Please wake up and realize that Mig-35 is a fish long dead and not in consideration for MMRCA. Hornet is at end of its evolution but has only one thing going for it - commonality of engines with LCA, not enough though. Instead of spending $ 60 million on Super Hornet, IAF might as well po...

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^^ Just adding that Japan and Korea have\are developed their stealth jets leveraging F35 partnerships. Our aviation industry is much more capable given the variety of planes we build or service and recent LCA experience. But the 'AMCA kid' is not ready to stand on his own feet, as decided by Grandpa...

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The big question is - Will T-90 tin be paraded on Republic day?

We might send them to Chandigarh instead for showing off some fireworks.

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@ John - My posts have said 1 billion for fielding a carrier task force. Why have a carrier when you cannot afford the needed 'task force' elements. Akin to buying a hot sports car but having no money for 'right' tires and wheels.

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Trying to maintain some objectivity here- Data points for comparison - http://aviationweek.com/awin/italy-takes-1-billion-risk-f-35-faco http://breakingdefense.com/2013/11/lessons-learned-at-cameri-italys-f-35-hq-implications-for-asia/ Cost of localization of final assembly and checkout facility - 1...

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Why don't we just airlift all our gold and FOREX reserves to Dassault HQ. You need two hands for clapping. Dassault must have some serious pull in India to run this TAMASHA and not be kicked out eons ago. If this goes through after all of this then it will be a real shocker. It will broadcast a big ...

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Running cost of a decent carrier 'task force' is north of 1 billion $ per year easy ... Those figures are ridiculously high even all 3 invincible class carrier cost less than 150 million pounds to operate/year and that includes fuel, personnel etc. Correct...As all three Invincible class will be sp...

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^ It would make sense to have 0-0 ejection seats 'mandatory' on fighters since their is a big risk of munitions exploding. Another angle could be amount of fuel carried on the aircraft.

Worst case - 'Cost' could be a driver of these decisions as we import 0-0 ejection seats from UK ....

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@ brar_w - Your comment on Boeing eliminating vertical tail by relying on TVC caught my notice. Imagining an LCA without tail and TVC will be close to Boeing design (less canards). We might have a winner here! At the end of the day it comes down to how much risk one wants to assume when dealing wit...

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@AkshayKapoor - You are highlighting a fact shared by every single armed force in the world - Developed countries like US and Euro-clan are worse off due to better opportunities in private sector. Indian armed forces have better picking because of our economic shambles. Don't cloud the economics wit...

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Nobody has time for Pakis. Only Amerikhans focus on Pakis because they are idiots. If Mk-1 is good for China then it represents an overcapacity against Pakistan. LCA Mk-2 is going to do everything that Mk-1 does and far far more at way less cost, per kg x per km x per bang, than anything out there....

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VC does have a role, but i was referring specifically to "fighter" projects compared to other aerospace projects. Fighter projects have way too much risk, variables and deliver return too far out compared to a lot of the other projects that are far more attractive to VC activity or even t...

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LCA Mk-1 ka performance when compared to F-16s, jara bataiye kitna bura hai bhai? Why is the finish line sought to be moved. LCA MK-1 is good to go. That IAF feels more confident, with a more powerful engine is understandable but to denigrate Mk-1 ostensibly on behalf of IAF which presumably cannot...

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dhotiwallahs said, this M-88 is too weak for us, we need more power, and went with GE-404 Ah, pure unique thanjavur doll genius! M88 is smaller, lighter, has more thrust than GE-404 and is safer from sanctions so it is obviously not the better choice. I compared on Wiki and first off we should be c...

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At the minimum - can we stop rolling T-90 on republic day parades. And this will be a good wake up call for the dear old Russia is our friend lobby. Not promoting America as our friend either.

The $ bill is the only friend in international matters after end of the cold war.

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As per my 'dated' readings, AOA of blades does not change during rotation unless you want to change amount of vertical 'lift'. Forward movement is by 'inclining' the plane of rotation of the blades.

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Fighter lines, and programs in general have been extremely unpopular for VC activity. Heck even internal company funded R&D is going to be tough for fighter development as it has traditionally been a sluggish area with investments taking decades to pay off. This is a global problem and as long ...

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