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Sridhar

to add to that I trust the wisdom of the people of Gujarat that without some solid performance they wouldn't have elected the same person thrice. Let me address one specific point that many people make and that you have made above. So by extension you distrust the people of Bihar who elected Laloo ...

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VikramS: The mind deduction part refers to your claim to be able to read my state of mind. Not to the education/income connection. In any case, my point is that the income/education connection makes the stats look worse for Gujarat, not better. KLNMurthy: I have not once disputed the validity of the...

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SagarG, If you have a counterpoint about who the comparison is being made with, the onus is on you to provide the evidence for the counterpoint. We can discuss it then - if it is convincing, I will be happy to concede. On what anybody says, I have found that it can be very misleading since they have...

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VikramS On the specific issue of dropouts, I clearly said that I will look at the hard data and get back. Yet you lie and say that I am ignoring it, or that I have called it Modi's propaganda, when I have not. The posts are there for anybody to see on the previous page. On other specific points, pre...

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Neela, You had pointed to his being elected. That was irrelevant. I agree that this is not any evidence of being a development champion because otherwise Laloo should qualify. Now you are saying that there are other metrics. So provide them, so that all of us can reduce our confirmatory biases. Dea...

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If you are looking at things like gross enrollment and net enrollment, most of the migrants have families back home in their own states. Not in Gujarat, right? So won't the migrants issue be irrelevant for these measures? As for the one measure where it can make a difference - literacy rates - let'...

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Arjun Stop wasting time with Naxal sympathizers. That Congress is the team B of AAP is in no doubt. This is a classic FUD campaign where some data is cherry-picked. Doubt he gets the concept of a systemic top down approach. When I pointed out how drop out rates have collapsed thanks to toilets, he ...

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Arjun, If you think presenting your case is spoon feeding, I am am afraid you have no idea about how a discussion proceeds. What exactly are the data on the basis of which the claims you have listed are made? Indulge me, if that is what you think it will amount to, and provide the evidence. If it is...

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SagarG You want to talk about cause or rather the Government's input in the educational output. I have given on the other thread a measure of Government input. That is the statistic on pupil teacher ratio. There are other factors in Government input for sure, nor is it my claim that this is a perfec...

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The Bibek Debroy interview linked by Ravi_g above is a classic example of why it is best to go back to the original data sources and do your own analysis. It involves effort (I had to key in the numbers in a spreadsheet manually) but otherwise there is no rocket science in it. Now the question is wh...

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If you are looking at things like gross enrollment and net enrollment, most of the migrants have families back home in their own states. Not in Gujarat, right? So won't the migrants issue be irrelevant for these measures? As for the one measure where it can make a difference - literacy rates - let's...

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Arjun, Get the basics of a debate right. You bring up some measures with a self-professed claim of those being the legitimate ones and others being revisionist. If you so desire, present the data for what you think are the relevant measures. You don't get to decide what I should or should not talk a...

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Let's take the gross enrollment ratio. Gujarat started below average in 2005/06 at 100.3 vs. 103.8. And stayed below average in 2008/09 at 107.7 vs 115.3. In other words, GER increased at a rate below the national average. The net enrollment ratio has a similar picture. It went from 78.9 to 86.0 dur...

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JohneeG: It is unfair to ask me to summarize all my posts. Are you asking anybody on any thread to do that? Lots of threads are long and ramble. On why Modi is being discussed here, I raised the attention of the mods but it was the call of a mod to let this Modi related discussion run its course. Be...

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Svenkat, I said unethical. If it warrants it, I will surely explain why I think that was the case. In all honesty, I fail to see how anybody can see that election campaign as anything but unethical, but I cannot claim to know anybody else's logic or considerations. In any case, I won't shy away from...

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The mods will decide who is trolling, not you. Please stop the attacks in the meantime.

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Ravi_g, Let's see what excuses you and others bring up. The data are dated (never mind that they span more than half his tenure and are the most recent data available)? What about the literacy data (ending in 2011) or the school infrastructure data above (ending in 2010)? Are they dated too? Why don...

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Once again you are questioning credentials,with the qualifications of whether I have indeed posted or not - implying that I might be lying. What certificate would you want me to provide your lordship before I can post something?

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Arjun,

Those are your metrics. The onus is on you to provide the data, not on me. I am putting in a lot of effort on the forum. Why don't you, the economics expert that you imply that you are, provide some data to back up something you are claiming.

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Ok, before I sign off for the night, let me present one more piece of evidence related to education, since somebody brought up education. An important metric that is tracked worldwide and in India regarding educational infrastructure is pupil teacher ratios (PTRs). See the table on page 91 of this r...

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Neela, You had pointed to his being elected. That was irrelevant. I agree that this is not any evidence of being a development champion because otherwise Laloo should qualify. Now you are saying that there are other metrics. So provide them, so that all of us can reduce our confirmatory biases. Deal?

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Arjun, Perhaps you are not old enough on the forum to know that there were at least a couple of instances of entire threads and posts being deleted due to forum glitches. My post count went down by at least a couple of thousands in each of those instances. Yes, I have not been active in recent years...

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VikramS, I will ignore your mocking tone attack on me and focus on the substance. You refer to the school dropout rates, but all we have in the link you have provided is Modi's word for it. I don't trust secondary sources, but will look up dropout numbers also and see how much truth there is in that...

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Neela, I agree. I am just pointing to the fact that your 'evidence' is irrelevant. Regarding confirmation bias, you might want to think about whether you are affected by it. I have looked at one piece of evidence and presented it. Why don't you present some evidence to the contrary. Maybe we'll all ...

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Arjun,

Please don't question my credentials on this forum (or otherwise for that matter). It is a recipe for getting embarrassed. The fact that you don't know about my contribution to the forum means squat.

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Arjun, The HDI is not a worthless or leftist metric - it is an internationally accepted metric. Leave that aside for a moment. One of the important components is the income index. The performance even on that is abysmal as I have shown. Also how much of a lag do you think is expected? The literacy n...

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There was a personal attack from you - you called me dishonest. That is a serious personal allegation against me. When asked to provide an example, you did not. Let that pass in any case. Regarding getting voted to power - I am sure you would agree that it is not any evidence that the person has don...

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Sridhar, You still have not explained what approach the BJP should take to voice their opposition more forcefully. You wanted to the opposition both inside and outside the parliament. Do explain before you accuse others of shoot and scoot tactics. Anything more than a statement by a state-level ene...

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Come on, my friend. What is impolite about anything in my post? I have not attacked you personally (you did in the past on this thread). I have not used bad language. Where is there anything objectionable in the post? It is a legitimate question. I don't think this is anywhere close to being the kin...

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Gujarat's literacy rate rises by over 10% Key takeaways The provisional census data released on Thursday revealed that in the state there were 79.31% literates in the state , which is higher than the national rate that stood at 74.04%. Interestingly, while the gap of literacy between males and fema...

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Classic shoot and scoot tactics there by you, Misraji. And selective quoting. Like I responded to you (and you conveniently chose to miss from the quote) and to Jamwal later, these are the latest numbers available. If you are so sure that the later years are dramatically different, as implied by you...

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Anchal,

I was not pointing to your post. In fact when I was drafting my post, yours was not even there. I was making a general observation.

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The political space, and consequently BRF is hopelessly polarized (in BRF's case, almost everybody who does not conform to the group think has been attacked and many have left). There was a time when what bound everybody on this forum together was their love for India. But it was a diverse group pol...

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KaranM: I would like to believe you on the story that Modi is the best administrator, and that he has done wonders. I don't believe in anecdotal evidence, but empirical evidence. I also try and go to original sources as much as possible since I have learned over time not to trust media reports. Let...

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KaranM: I...believe in...empirical evidence...Let me tell you what I found. ... So tell me, where is the evidence of the stellar performance that you talk about repeatedly? er...2008 was six small years ago.... So why don't you share some newer numbers if they exist and prove that Modi's Gujarat ha...

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Good point. I will be happy to move my Modi related posts to the Modi thread if the Modi related posts it is in response to are also moved there.

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KaranM: I would like to believe you on the story that Modi is the best administrator, and that he has done wonders. I don't believe in anecdotal evidence, but empirical evidence. I also try and go to original sources as much as possible since I have learned over time not to trust media reports. Let ...

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fanne, By closing the Lok Sabha the speaker has ensured there is no accountability and peolpe can claim what they ant without fear of being challenged later. If it was D4 only then what were their interests in supporting the split. Do we really know if the vote tally was for the division? Media cla...

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Certainly possible, but given that it is a user test of a missile from the production series, and not a development test, it seems unlikely. Unless of course they are calling it a test for the in-production Agni-1 while really testing a somewhat different missile. That's also a possibility.

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I think the author is confusing the Agni-1 with the Agni-TD (which some people have at times confusingly referred to as Agni-1). Perhaps some sloppy Wikipedia research is in evidence.

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