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by Pulikeshi
06 Apr 2007 02:58
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 9
Replies: 326
Views: 129883

Living Systems are open systems . In such systems, external influences will be embraced, sometimes to the deteriment of the organism (Hinduism). There will always be a Ambhi, for every Shankara or a Ramanuja within the system. There are some, who will spend energies on consipiracy theories and on wh...
by Pulikeshi
06 Apr 2007 02:58
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 9
Replies: 326
Views: 129883

Living Systems are open systems . In such systems, external influences will be embraced, sometimes to the deteriment of the organism (Hinduism). There will always be a Ambhi, for every Shankara or a Ramanuja within the system. There are some, who will spend energies on consipiracy theories and who i...
by Pulikeshi
06 Apr 2007 02:23
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 9
Replies: 326
Views: 129883

The attempt to view the Hindu society - past or present - as monolithic is at variance with the facts on the ground, as my last post to Shiv pointed out. The survival of Hindu 'society' happened thanks to different regional dynamics, and not all of it due to an "organic" response from Hin...
by Pulikeshi
05 Apr 2007 22:31
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 9
Replies: 326
Views: 129883

A fellow forumite here goes the other extreme, and pulls a few attractive academic terminologies from his MBA coursework in Finance, Marketing and Organizational Development, and describes Hinduism and Hindu society in mass-market paperback terms for the elite. I suggest "The Complete MBA for ...
by Pulikeshi
05 Apr 2007 19:42
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 9
Replies: 326
Views: 129883

Ritual has become mumbo jumbo. The performers of ritual find it easier to do that work as a part time job - being "software engineers" or something at other times. So is decorating a tree with candies and trinkets. (Christmas for the dense!) Rituals are a part of every religion. Hinduism ...
by Pulikeshi
05 Apr 2007 12:22
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 9
Replies: 326
Views: 129883

I wholeheartedly agree with you on the proselytizing part. Doing so will mean compromising the very spirit of Sanatana Dharma. Proselytizing = Viral Marketing. Banning Proselytizing = Trade barriers bad for interal freedom in religion. That SD would loose if we Proselytize it true only to the extan...
by Pulikeshi
05 Apr 2007 12:10
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 9
Replies: 326
Views: 129883

EJ : Listen heathen, you are worshipping a false-god and are deeply lost in false-religion and you will go to hell. Become an EJ. Heathen : While Christism is good and it is true that i might go to hell as you say and perhaps i am deeply lost in false-religion and all my gods are false. But you are...
by Pulikeshi
05 Apr 2007 11:55
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 9
Replies: 326
Views: 129883

RajeshG wrote:Pulikeshiji

What you say makes some sense but then we come back to square one. We have to be willing and able to criticize others. Can we ? I dont know.
I just did! :mrgreen:
by Pulikeshi
05 Apr 2007 11:06
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 9
Replies: 326
Views: 129883

Pulikeshiji Can a tradition that flounts nasadasin-no-sadasit get itself to do these things ? I dont know.. Great question. Not a compromise at all. This moral relativism that has crept into Hindusim is a modern phenomena. Dharma, is closely connected to what maintains order in society. This means,...
by Pulikeshi
05 Apr 2007 10:43
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 9
Replies: 326
Views: 129883

Even on this thread there is a paucity of people who are able to describe what Hinduism is all about. I was saddened to see that a one paragraph description made by me in an earlier thread was the subject of some praise. Does it take a faulty half-wit Hindu like me to describe Hinduism to people wh...
by Pulikeshi
05 Apr 2007 09:30
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 9
Replies: 326
Views: 129883

Shivji The thrust (or assumption) behind your statement is that hinduism needs to be sold to new customers. My boss talks about a 30 second elevator pitch and when he is drunk he calls it showing-some-skin. If you got it, you better flount it :mrgreen: No point in hiding "skin" behind the...
by Pulikeshi
05 Apr 2007 02:29
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 9
Replies: 326
Views: 129883

[quote="Rony"]
Managers should pay particular attention to what the Kakars have to say about the ‘Hierarchical Indian’. They suggest that that Indians prefer authoritative leaders. But there is a catch — the leader has to be “strict, demanding, but also caring and nurturing.â€
by Pulikeshi
05 Apr 2007 02:17
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 9
Replies: 326
Views: 129883

sorry... purist planks won't sell to the below poverty EJ vulnerable class. hence, they need better setup. something they are sold on to.. like a mutual fund that does not behave like a regular loser stock., with that hindu freedom that lets them reinvest in other types of funds, within the market....
by Pulikeshi
04 Apr 2007 23:46
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 9
Replies: 326
Views: 129883

Rony wrote:
shiv wrote: Hinduism = freedom
I will go with this.
Shiv, that is an excellent marketing slogan!

However, freedom has to be defended. It comes at a cost.
Unfortunately, we have gotten so used to freedom that we are taking it for granted.
by Pulikeshi
01 Apr 2007 00:55
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 6
Replies: 323
Views: 120348

Shiv - this idea of "fundamentally accepting of all faiths" doesn't square with a lot of the reality on the ground. If the premise were real, then we wouldn't have beef being banned, or people of a certain religion being denied entry to a religious place and so on. How is this premise any...
by Pulikeshi
31 Mar 2007 08:36
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 6
Replies: 323
Views: 120348

But it does not end there. If Indians are completely mentally colonized, blaming the colonizers today is of little use. What Hindus should have done is fight the colonizers of yesterday. I think that blaming the forces of history and the forces that Yahweh and Allah made powerful in the past is a w...
by Pulikeshi
31 Mar 2007 06:26
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 6
Replies: 323
Views: 120348

Where did the phrase "elite" come from? Duh! English! They exist in even poverty stricken developing country like India you know. [Major sarcasm alert to the untrained :-)] You are still speaking the language of the Colonizer/EJ and/or TSJ ... Nice labels – pick a battle only when you k...
by Pulikeshi
31 Mar 2007 04:23
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 6
Replies: 323
Views: 120348

where is the connection between the two activities? ... parse this sentence for me: "As long as we only pursue nuclear bombs and do not understand the needs and desires of society as a whole, we are not on a Dharmic path." Alok, The west has developed a social contract between the individ...
by Pulikeshi
31 Mar 2007 04:01
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 6
Replies: 323
Views: 120348

Going back to Shiv's point about things that we may have lost: This article should make the geniuses of Enron who came up with weather derivative blush. Wonder how many chalu farmer could have benefited rather than having to commit suiside because they could not hedge their odds. Seems like we inher...
by Pulikeshi
31 Mar 2007 03:56
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 6
Replies: 323
Views: 120348

TSJones wrote: Maybe you can tell them how atoms are made of energy and Hinduism is at the forefront of scientific thought. That is sure to make them feel better.
Well said! As long as we spake Meta-Physics onlee and do not understand the needs and desires of society as a whole, we are not on the Dharmic path.
by Pulikeshi
30 Mar 2007 13:04
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 6
Replies: 323
Views: 120348

Typically, any religious debate between Hindus and the Judeo-Christian-Islamic (JCI) triad seems to be a parallel discourse. Here are a couple of reasons for such disconnect:
  1. Hindus argue abstract philosophy. JCI argue dogmatic theology or “throw the booksâ€
by Pulikeshi
30 Mar 2007 12:46
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 6
Replies: 323
Views: 120348

People see divinity in many things, but that does not make it divine. In Exodus 32, the Israelites made a molten calf and then began worshipping it. Now we all know what happened to them. It is ironic, that what did not have a form destroyed a so-called diety that did have a form. The molten calf c...
by Pulikeshi
28 Mar 2007 12:20
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 5
Replies: 321
Views: 122264

yawn, wake me up when something fun happens again.. we are back to advaita/dvaitha rehash. Forgetting the Person-C (Customer) :evil: We got ourselves to blame for not creating any new product in eons! We can't even agree if we have a product :shock: The only way to beat EJ is to help Person-C ( &...
by Pulikeshi
28 Mar 2007 05:02
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 5
Replies: 321
Views: 122264

I am sorry.. me thinks if theories are not implemented for Cs, then you get religions that starts with C, and a whole social (culture) that starts with C, since C is abundant. SaiK, right on! The C - stands for Consumers. The very same ones that are "herd" like, need instant gratification...
by Pulikeshi
28 Mar 2007 04:12
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 5
Replies: 321
Views: 122264

S.Valkan, Great post. I have two questions that will help my understanding: 1. Is Awareness the same as knowledge? In "Satyam Jnanam Anantam" Is Jnanam awareness or knowledge? 2. How do we explain evolution, if we are just waves and the reality is water. Just forms that come into existance...
by Pulikeshi
27 Mar 2007 21:16
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 5
Replies: 321
Views: 122264

S.Valkan,

What is your take of the Hindu "God" idea? Therefore would you picture that entity as transcendental or immanent?

Please keep the thoughts flowing... it is very enlightening.
by Pulikeshi
27 Mar 2007 21:11
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 5
Replies: 321
Views: 122264

What is God's relationship to Creation?

On the face of it, the characteristics of transcendence and immanence appear to be in conflict. A transcendent God is one who is beyond perception, independent of the universe, and wholly “otherâ€
by Pulikeshi
27 Mar 2007 09:35
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread 4
Replies: 321
Views: 123743

This rice powder paste modelled as a lamb (Pishta-Pasu) on the baked plantain leaf will be hard-baked after folding the leaf edges. Parts of the figure will be cut out and ritualistically offered to fire-god (Homam), with the assumption that it is truely a lamb. Yum! it is good to be a God and enjo...
by Pulikeshi
27 Mar 2007 08:43
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread 4
Replies: 321
Views: 123743

Pulikeshi - There have been numerous threads on this forum, going back to 1998, before those discussions were banned in the first place. My commentary is based on all of those discussions. Perhaps the conclusion is unpalatable, but it is justifiable. Calvin, I am sure I have been around since the b...
by Pulikeshi
27 Mar 2007 08:16
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread 4
Replies: 321
Views: 123743

I agree with you on this, but perhaps you have also recognized that yours is a minority view. Most people would proscribe the conversion in the first place. Did you take a poll? Or is it only from data you collected on this forum? If the latter, you don’t believe us forumites to be worthy of such...
by Pulikeshi
27 Mar 2007 07:50
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread 4
Replies: 321
Views: 123743

Our God is a fair God. However, you will be judged. You can potentially be reborn at the last minute and you can be saved and be with Abba, but that doesn't necessarily mean you will be one of the plank owners. That is your belief and may you own many planks :mrgreen: Let the rest of us own nothing...
by Pulikeshi
27 Mar 2007 04:37
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread 4
Replies: 321
Views: 123743

Only a rational refutation of that would be acceptable.
But is belief rational? :P

Seriously, S.Valkan you have argued excellently on the same issue I raised with Rakesh many moons ago - on the omnipotent yet omniscient "God."
by Pulikeshi
26 Mar 2007 12:35
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread 4
Replies: 321
Views: 123743

SaiK wrote: why is that people from all religions do believe in something that is proven wrong?
Got Memes? :P
by Pulikeshi
26 Mar 2007 10:28
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread 4
Replies: 321
Views: 123743

Regardless of which faith you believe in, do you think that God takes your permission before he decides to do something with you? Not if you are a monist or even a dualist in the Hindu religion. The Hindu Gods have to act within the rules of their creation, preservation or determined destruction â€...
by Pulikeshi
26 Mar 2007 09:07
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread 4
Replies: 321
Views: 123743

You have an opportunity in this lifetime to see the truth. If you are a Hindu - you will get more lives to keep looking. If you are not Hindu - well - your one chance to find the truth is gone after this life- someone will explain it to you once you are gone. Hi Shiv, Great post, but have a small n...
by Pulikeshi
26 Mar 2007 08:57
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread 4
Replies: 321
Views: 123743

Calvin,
Calvin wrote: I believe this perspective is no more even handed than the perspective projected by the evangelists.
So, I understand clearly now that you equate anyone who holds the idea that “Hindusim is great,â€
by Pulikeshi
26 Mar 2007 06:35
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread 4
Replies: 321
Views: 123743

Calvin, I agree with you that there is something dysfunctional about this discussion on religion. However, for an entirely different set of reasons - 1. Arguments on whose belief is better – never result in anything productive, this I agree with you. 2. To call Hinduism great – seems to bother y...
by Pulikeshi
24 Mar 2007 11:23
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread 4
Replies: 321
Views: 123743

Hindu society is fairly impervious to change e.g. look at Indian Hindus taken to the Caribbean 150 years ago to work as indentured labor in sugarcane plantations. Their traditions have survived more intact than the traditions of Hindus in India inspite of them being a relatively small community thr...
by Pulikeshi
24 Mar 2007 07:55
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread 4
Replies: 321
Views: 123743

Another thought:

Vedic or modern Hindu ideas have never been Aristotelian Analysis. However, I am not sure if Hinduism and Aristotelian Analysis are incongruent.
by Pulikeshi
24 Mar 2007 07:48
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread 4
Replies: 321
Views: 123743

SaiK, Thanks for that interesting article. It would be interesting to know your opinion regarding that article. First, the author seems to be hell bent on viewing Hindu renaissance through the prism of what Christianity went through. Natural Science stands opposed to Christian belief. Science had to...