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by abhik
09 Sep 2020 20:50
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Faced with Prospect of 'Siachenised' LAC, Indian Army Prepares for Cold, Long Haul in Ladakh Events have raised fears that both armies could find themselves locked into a cycle of mountain-grabs — followed by the commitment of troops to hold that territory. “The sensible thing to do will be for the...
by abhik
09 Sep 2020 01:02
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

twitter is abuzz that PLA tried to land at Finger 2 last night via boats but got chased away SJha was also tweeting that last night firing happened at Finger2 area - I earlier assumed he is just smoking stuff as how come Chinese bypass F4/F3 defences and come to F2 - but maybe this tweet makes sens...
by abhik
08 Sep 2020 23:19
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

As per Shiv Aroor the Chinese side's excuse (via the Brig. level talks) for carrying the stick knife thingee is about some martial tradition of the soldiers :lol:. Though on a serious note they are probably provoke something to get the combat operations started.
by abhik
08 Sep 2020 23:14
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Our favourite Australian 20 year old is back with some recent hi rez sat images. For some reason none are publishing images of Black top itself (nothing interesting going on ?).
https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1303334336427556864
by abhik
08 Sep 2020 23:05
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

From NDTV and Lt Gen Panag, neither BRF's favourites, but the discussion focuses on military situation, some takeaways: -> The kung fu blades might have been an attempt to trigger another Galwan and get a disengagement -> Our defences in the new positions are still being set up (as these take time) ...
by abhik
08 Sep 2020 21:13
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Any significance of the red and white patches at the back side of the helmets? https://twitter.com/AbhishekBhalla7/status/1303312140569206784 Chinese troops in Rezangla area where the current faceoff is happening. See the barbaric weapons #IndiaChinaFaceOff https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhZLeT-VgAEW7g...
by abhik
08 Sep 2020 19:24
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1303305393624330240 ust in: First pictures of 7th Sept attempts by Chinese side to intrude on Indian locations. Location: Heights around Rezangla https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhZFVw6VkAEkxYj?format=jpg&name=medium so the chinese brought Guan Daos for negotiatio...
by abhik
08 Sep 2020 18:35
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

https://twitter.com/detresfa_/status/1303289914578989057 d-atis☠️ @detresfa_ Sings of impact from #India's recent maneuvers near Spanggur Tso & South Pangong Tso visible on satellite imagery as #China is seen deploying in forwards areas to cut off & monitor any new advances part of the #Indi...
by abhik
08 Sep 2020 13:18
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020- Part 2

Saurav Jha @SJha1618 So, @delhidefence 's analysts have put together this rough estimate of Chinese positions around the Spanggur Tso area using commercially available imagery (but marked on Google Earth). The yellow dots to the West are the ones that have been in contestation of late. https://pbs....
by abhik
08 Sep 2020 12:45
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Face-off at Rechin La leads to scuffle with aggressive PLA. Situation tense but ground commanders talking there are reports of a scuffle between the Indian Army and an aggressive People’s Liberation Army (PLA) on the Rezang-La-Rechin La ridgeline with some injuries sustained by Indian troopers as C...
by abhik
08 Sep 2020 11:40
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Where is this mukhparii peak, cannot trace it on Gmaps. My markings .... 33°30'3.59"N, 78°48'1.95"E Is that not Maggar hill? Added: ok From twitter: Girish Mithran @GirishMithran Found this map in a book called ‘Trishul - Ladakh and Kargil 1947-1993’ by Ashok Malhotra. The circle on the l...
by abhik
08 Sep 2020 01:47
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020- Part 2

IndraD wrote:looks like some tactics to build pressure on Jaishankar before meet?
"Graded escalation" is the phrase I read somewhere, they will definitely want to get some leverage before the Wednesday meeting.
by abhik
08 Sep 2020 01:07
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020- Part 2

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1303035475674804226 Forced to take countermeasures in my opinion means a firefight has taken place there. But let's wait for official army statement. Gobar times cannot be trusted. While we wait for official news :| , I think there might have been a firefi...
by abhik
08 Sep 2020 00:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020- Part 2

If gobar times is reporting it then something must have happened, either something that is significant or something that shows the PLA in good light.
by abhik
08 Sep 2020 00:42
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020- Part 2

^^^
Will have to wait to know what the "countermeasures" were.
by abhik
08 Sep 2020 00:29
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020- Part 2

Global Times @globaltimesnews China state-affiliated media The #Indian army again illegally crossed the Line of Actual Control in Shenpao mountain near the south bank of Pangong Tso Lake on Monday, #PLA Western Theater Command spokesperson revealed. 11:47 PM · Sep 7, 2020 Where is this Shenpao moun...
by abhik
07 Sep 2020 21:59
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020- Part 2

The paxi have a response SLA < 24h, their abbu jan seem to be taking their time to respond, next couple of dates to look out for are:
Sep 10: Foreign Ministers meeting at the sidelines of SCO event in Moscow
Sometime in October: CCP plenary session
What else?
by abhik
07 Sep 2020 21:49
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020- Part 2

In case of further conflict, is taking G219 and G318 through their length a viable option to capture and hold before winter sets in? Too many benefits to count if we are successfu and not too far away that we cannot supply the troops. Short answer is "NO." $hit will fly if we straddle G21...
by abhik
07 Sep 2020 20:17
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020- Part 2

On the topic of the 5 men abducted in AP: China has never recognized so-called "Arunachal Pradesh," which is China's south Tibet region, and we have no details to release yet about question on Indian army sending a message to PLA about five missing Indians in the region: Chinese FM spokesp...
by abhik
07 Sep 2020 17:33
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020- Part 2

The 10K PLA troops reportedly in Spanggur is quite a bit more than I expected . . . . Where did you get that (and other data) from? Any link? The 10k number is from this article: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/indian-chinese-troops-dig-in-at-chushul-flashpoint/articleshow/7796629...
by abhik
07 Sep 2020 13:49
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020- Part 2

The 10K PLA troops reportedly in Spanggur is quite a bit more than I expected (don't know if this includes reinforcements if any or was the number from the beginning). The reporting from the beginning talked about 2 motorised divisions (though the analysis was that that the Chinese will need to brin...
by abhik
07 Sep 2020 12:46
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020- Part 2

Pangong extends nearly 100km towards their side of the LAC to rutog, I don't think the report is clear on where exactly they have opened up for tourists, I highly double its anywhere close to the finger areas, which are now littered with PLA encampments. abhik, as far as I know, the entire Eastern ...
by abhik
07 Sep 2020 11:17
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020- Part 2

The proposed opening of Pangong Tso for tourists by China is to establish 'sovereignty' through backdoor as the Pakis tried to do at Siachen in the early 80s. Pangong extends nearly 100km towards their side of the LAC to rutog, I don't think the report is clear on where exactly they have opened up ...
by abhik
07 Sep 2020 02:17
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

As per Wiki the population of whole of Ngari Prefecture (which includes Rutog to the North, and Kailash Mansarovar area to the south) is less that 100k, with the "Shiquanhe" town said to have a population of upto 20K.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngari_Prefecture
by abhik
07 Sep 2020 01:20
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Is there any estimate of how many PLA troops there are in Moldo and what are their supply lines? IMO too much is being made of the significance of Moldo by the media, it's not a a modern day fort or a sprawling military complex, more administrative than anything. The main building is ~60mx20m with ...
by abhik
07 Sep 2020 00:54
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

From where/how do the chinese front line troops on LAC get their supplies of food, fuel, ammunition from? Is it from Ngari? How about us? I am assuming since our population centres are closer to LAC and spread across the Ladakh region, we have a more distributed supply of food, ammunition and weapo...
by abhik
06 Sep 2020 20:21
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: INS Arihant: News & Discussion
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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

^^^
More that the commissioning/trials period, the build timelines don't make sense. Arihant was launched in 2009, and Arighat in 2017 (a gap of 8 years!) - it like we are building them serially one at a time.
by abhik
06 Sep 2020 17:24
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

^^^ On the other hand I would love to see the video (it's apparently from last year) there are a few screen grabs posted in a different forum - while we are trying to wrack our brains on Black Top and others, it's got on the ground shots on and from different points on the Chinese side, including th...
by abhik
05 Sep 2020 23:32
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Narad wrote:
Thakur_B wrote: Does anyone have the said video?
Probably this one
https://twitter.com/sonamrigzin1/status ... 0241033216
Definitely does not look like a video from the "confrontation site" - probably just some random old video.
by abhik
05 Sep 2020 23:27
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

The road with the hair pin bends pass through a lower portion of the black top mountain and it seems to connect to south bank of Pangong Tso rather than to the top of Black Top. If the chinese camps are in the lower portion than at the top of BT hill, we could have captured the top. Perhaps, that's...
by abhik
05 Sep 2020 19:36
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Notice the hairpin bends in road to the right of black top in google earth location below. Shows the will of the Chinese to build infrastructure and have control over the areas occupied. We need to really acknowledge and salute our boys who occupied the heights inspite of the lack of such infrastru...
by abhik
05 Sep 2020 19:15
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

The economic measures were necessarily part of the carrot and stick policy, hoping the Chinese would withdraw and restore "status quo" in exchange of for us also reversing the economic measures. And IIRC the only official step we have taken is banning some apps (If I'm not missing any othe...
by abhik
05 Sep 2020 12:33
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Now there is news tha the chinese have 'abducted' 5 civilians in the border area in upper subansiri district AP.
by abhik
04 Sep 2020 22:10
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

From what I understand, we have take up a position on the F3 ridge facing the Chinese on the F4 ridge. Now with our control of Ane La and Kui la, I feel there is a possibility to climb up one of the valley between Ane La and Pangang tso at the root of the fingers and over to the other side and appr...
by abhik
04 Sep 2020 22:00
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Nitin G reiterates that Black top and Helmet are occupied by PLA, going by Vishnu Som we have only occupied the surrounding positions (possibly making it harder for the PLA to supply their positions). They would have to be extraordinary incompetent if they are not able to hold on to a position a few...
by abhik
04 Sep 2020 01:31
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Guys be careful with random OSINT and Defense handles on Twitter. They are notorious for posting stuff that can never be verified or confirmed by any official sources. We have no idea how much of what they post is real, fiction or psyops against the other side (which has its uses). +786, a lot of t...
by abhik
04 Sep 2020 01:17
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

May have been posted already, but found another set of "tunnels" in Rutog (at the other end of Pangong So) - built with in the last 2 years.
https://zoom.earth/#view=33.397954,79.7 ... ayers=esri
by abhik
04 Sep 2020 01:13
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Views: 1603485

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Do the PLA have any way of reaching the south bank of Panggong So? I don't see any road apart from the road via Spanggur and over the road crossing blacktop (with over 100 hairpin turns) - if this road is shut then the PLA looses access to the entire south bank right? Until they build another road o...
by abhik
03 Sep 2020 01:19
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Just checked the latest (1st-Sep) images from Sentinel - they are low resolution so you not much can be made out - but the PLA "pink" tents/nets stick out. One place with visible recent changes is their camp nearest to Moldo - older high resolution images indicated these were parked (armou...
by abhik
02 Sep 2020 20:41
Forum: Strategic & Security Issues Archive
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Gurus/Seniors, We may for now not even need to ask for meeting and keep on strengthening the newly acquired positions with better infra. And in the next summer readjust some more heights further. Dominating heights is very important in mountains. We had actually achieved it for now. Why should we n...