US has gotten her hands on a few Su-27 and Mig-29. Why? Why ANY?NRao wrote:
My point is exactly the opposite.
IF Chinese planes were THAT good, why even 24? Why ANY from Russia?
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- 23 Mar 2013 14:01
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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- 23 Mar 2013 13:56
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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Why does talking about China cause you so much anxiety that you want to change the subject to India? You don;t want anything bad to be said about China do you? Loss of face and all that eh? What will happen to India is being discussed openly in a hundred threads on this forum. We talk about China h...
- 23 Mar 2013 13:39
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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Very funny...Victor wrote:Optimism is a good quality but fantasy is not. In any conflict involving India and China, China's oil supply will be choked off within 24 hours and its oil reserves attacked.Don wrote: In case of a regional conflict like south asian war the oil supply will still largely continue.
- 23 Mar 2013 13:36
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
My comment was more of a satire. The real might of the CHINESE forces is exposed just by US-Japan axis. What will they do if there is a Vietnam-India axis, a Russia-Taepei axis or let us say a Soko-Tibet axis. They are really surrounded by a pack of wolves and must be sweating in their pants but sh...
- 22 Mar 2013 14:04
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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reverse engineering without permission. that means stolen. also 'lot of' - 'some of' = 'most of' -> are stolen. so you agree that most of your tech are stolen. so why dont you educate us which techs you have stolen? A person is capable of stealing but not necessarily capable of reverse engineering....
- 22 Mar 2013 12:54
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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things come to all imported engines got cut off, we still have WS-10 to use. What have you got to laugh at us? Your posts are a laugh because your typing fingers type faster than you think. You must have learned this logic from a Pakistani. " If I lose my arms and legs I will fight with my mou...
- 22 Mar 2013 12:46
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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The J-series is my problem - as I have said many a times, since it is stolen technologies that China does not have an industrial base to manufacture the next gen. So J-20/J-31 is just mirage and all photo shop? BTW, do you agree that a lot of the techs in China are stolen? No. Some are from reverse...
- 21 Mar 2013 13:27
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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Engine development is not up to par but use it as an example to prove all else China has fail is just laughable. Again how many countries can make an engine today? Less than a handful. China has made WS-10 which may not up to the western standard, but it powers J-11B currently. It may not have a go...
- 21 Mar 2013 11:18
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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As a matter of fact, one of the correct things that China has done is start with coping/reverse engineering, and keep pursuing indigenization. Some time back I was puttering around the net (with the help form Uncle google) and to my amazement I found out that China has been making engines (for airc...
- 21 Mar 2013 11:09
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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As a matter of fact, one of the correct things that China has done is start with coping/reverse engineering, and keep pursuing indigenization. Yes. This has gone on from the 1950. The same copying. And China still has not caught up with Russia, let alone Sweden, France or USA. What use is this copy...
- 20 Mar 2013 09:25
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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And you think U.S don't spy on others? No need to go on the defensive. US is not copying Chinese. China is copying US. Even you are saying it. This Chinese guy got caught so we're just having a laugh. Now we can use this news item as proof that China copies everything no? As a matter of fact, one o...
- 20 Mar 2013 08:56
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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Another one -- Bite's the Dust ... Wonder if the Chinese Rockets/Satellites will now start dropping like fleas -- since the "Xerox" machine has failed .. http://washingtonexaminer.com/watchdog-alert-fbi-arrests-nasa-contract-employer-trying-to-flee-to-china/article/2524691 >> Bo Jiang, th...
- 19 Mar 2013 10:46
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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Confidence sky-high over jumbo cargo plane The 15-meter-high aircraft underwent a successful test flight on Jan 26. The Ministry of Defense confirmed shortly after the successful test flight that the Yun-20, mainly developed by the Xi'an Aircraft Industry (Group) Co Ltd, has a load-carrying capacit...
- 18 Mar 2013 07:00
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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Newer version of T-99
- 13 Mar 2013 13:02
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: The Trash Thread in the Trash Can (Use 4545 to Merge Posts)
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
Yet we sale a lot in your market. So what does that tell you?martinbaker wrote: Ofcourse, you win....Chinese are well known for cheap quality only.....
- 13 Mar 2013 11:52
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
I am just responding in kind. A cheap shot deserves a cheap shot in return.Marten wrote:Bheeshma, ashi: Please stop treating this like a Paqui or Sino website. I won't miss either of you for this cheap flaming.
- 13 Mar 2013 11:46
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- Topic: The Trash Thread in the Trash Can (Use 4545 to Merge Posts)
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
And you can stuff the useless yuan, song up your moms butt hole since the plan is now running after amur 1650. Shows the quality of the c grade chinese made stuff. :rotfl: Even chinese with no access to any quality products won't touch them or blunder 17. :mrgreen: . And you can shove Arjun and LCA...
- 13 Mar 2013 07:33
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- Topic: The Trash Thread in the Trash Can (Use 4545 to Merge Posts)
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
And you can shove the entire Arjun tank up your ass since even your own armed force doesn't want it.Bheeshma wrote:You can shove the entire Joke series up your ass since no one except desperate pakis is stupid enough to buy it.
- 13 Mar 2013 06:15
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- Topic: The Trash Thread in the Trash Can (Use 4545 to Merge Posts)
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
Sure. Whatever you say, don't bother me a bit. Oh don't flatter yourself I don't give a hoot for any of your country's copy pasted/stolen weapons you can keep jumping in joy each and every time your country manages to copy/steal something, take your sorry ass and your claims of "indigenization...
- 12 Mar 2013 13:29
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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Mate, By your logic, even whatever you yourself type or claim will not change the facts as well :lol: Anyway I have my sympathies with you as you are quiet hurt by the revelation(although not ashamed publicly). And I sincerely wish that the nasty naughty Russians don't reveal anything further. :) S...
- 12 Mar 2013 12:46
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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For you unfortunately it does matter mate, Why for the sake of real world would you type a reply then? :rotfl: Seems like you don't understand what I say. In the real world, what you hope or feel about where J-20 etc are designed, doesn't matter. Because it doesn't change a bit of the fact. And you...
- 12 Mar 2013 12:30
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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I remember the paki boasting that they designed JF-17 bundars... Looks like Chinese have inherited some Pakiness from their friendship. Now I feel that someday some Russian firm will reveal that the J-20, J-31(list goes on :rotfl: ) design was Russian too... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: What you feel or...
- 12 Mar 2013 10:02
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: PRC Economy - New Reflections : Dec 15 2011
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Re: PRC Economy - New Reflections : Dec 15 2011
2) High speed railways are good when the journey times are less than 5-6 hours and distances are max upto 600 kms. China really went overboard, constructing thousands of kilometers of high speed rail lines. If one wants to breach 600 kms of high speed railways then one needs maglev trains, a techno...
- 12 Mar 2013 09:40
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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But the Russian didn't build a WZ-10 prototype to verify that design then hand it to the Chinese, right? There is no loss of H&D as you claimed. For the loss of H&D to happen you need to have one for a start Chinese are known for copy-pasting, stealing, snooping, hacking so as to lay there ...
- 11 Mar 2013 14:23
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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After Kamov completed the design, the Russian design bureau verified the design via testing. Kamov then delivered the design to China and the Project 941 concept was accepted by that country's government for further development, Is designing , testing and delevering a product a consultancy job ??? ...
- 11 Mar 2013 14:15
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- Topic: PRC Economy - New Reflections : Dec 15 2011
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Re: PRC Economy - New Reflections : Dec 15 2011
I don't understand what your mumble jumble is here What! They didn't make you sing this in school ? 东方红 and all the rest of it ? East is Red 东方红,太阳升, 中国出了个毛泽东。 他为人民谋幸福, 呼尔嗨哟,他是人民大救星! And of course this. 百花齐放,百家争鸣 Hundred Flowers Campaign but I do remember you challenged everyone with a bid few year...
- 11 Mar 2013 14:11
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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The country that designs an aircraft is considered as the original maker of the aircraft , you can integrate engine , avionics etc from other sources but that has to be accounted into the design phase itself. So essentially WZ-10 is a Russian chopper built for chinese. Even though the Chinese might...
- 11 Mar 2013 14:03
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/heli-expo-chinese-wz-10-attack-helicopter-based-on-kamov-design-383147/ After Kamov completed the design, the Russian design bureau verified the design via testing. Kamov then delivered the design to China and the Project 941 concept was accepted by that cou...
- 11 Mar 2013 14:01
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- Topic: PRC Economy - New Reflections : Dec 15 2011
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Are people really predicting chinese collapse for past 3 decades ???? with so much secrecy who knowns whats the truth...we just found out the real truth behind your so called designed in china attack helo Z-10 For WZ-10, please see the article here. Russian provided the concept design but China too...
- 11 Mar 2013 13:56
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- Topic: PRC Economy - New Reflections : Dec 15 2011
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last three decades Three Decades ? And here we were thinking that the wise Chinese think in terms of millennial! Oh well, how convenient, three decades huh ? Five decades and we start with stuff like " East is Red", "Let a Thousand Roses Bloom" , chanting lemmings crushing and d...
- 11 Mar 2013 13:34
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- Topic: PRC Economy - New Reflections : Dec 15 2011
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Yeah. I too wonder, how Germany with a far lower steel consumption and capacity than China as such high per capita GDP :rotfl: , not to mention the whole of Europe and US and Japan ! But think of it. All that building frenzy and operating those steel plants of 900 million tons capacity and keeping ...
- 11 Mar 2013 13:27
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- Topic: PRC Economy - New Reflections : Dec 15 2011
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And you should also wonder why in the last three decades there were people predicting China collapse every year but China has not collapsed but gotten bigger and richer.krishnan wrote:i really wonder, how they can up the defence budget when so much loss is going on
- 08 Mar 2013 14:10
- Forum: Military Issues Archive
- Topic: Indian Naval Discussion
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how much does sweden spend on defence? nothing compared to Cheen. yet they still come up with products like the CV90, Archer, Gripen, FH77B05 ... Sweden can do very well in some area and can buy technologies from west at will, but it doesn't have a full military industry as China does. Do they have...
- 08 Mar 2013 14:05
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- Topic: Indian Naval Discussion
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What you said is true but there is no sign this is the case now. Honestly, China spends $119B (which many people think it is under reported) and Russia spends $71B in military expenditures in 2012. How long do you think it will take China to exceed Russia in almost every area? Money is not the only...
- 08 Mar 2013 13:50
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- Topic: Indian Naval Discussion
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Beyond business of selling toys the key factor remains Geo-Strategic alliance and commonality of interest that pursues them , The West including the US has banned export of Weapons to China for a long time which means the only option for them is via Russia ( Recently China leader thanked Russia for...
- 08 Mar 2013 13:29
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- Topic: Indian Naval Discussion
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Engine is still the bottleneck of China's military technology, else I think China is doing very well. Engine is a critical bottle neck but how the entire aircraft performs along with associated weapons system , avionics,EW etc also remains a mystery , Chinese aircraft are not widely exported so eve...
- 08 Mar 2013 12:47
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- Topic: Indian Naval Discussion
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^^ If China is procuring Su 35, it means thay are faltering in their indigenous production of flanker series and J10B and facing delays in J-20 aircraft development. The main purpose of getting Su35 (if it is true) probably is to allow China to take a good look on the 117S engine. That explains the...
- 07 Mar 2013 10:12
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- Topic: Indian Space Program Discussion
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- 17 Feb 2013 23:15
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- Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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Chinese sub capability http://chinadailymail.com/2013/02/16/more-noise-from-china-submarines/ Author of this piece: About nomade51 nomade51 is living in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, "Kingdom of Wonder" and reporting trilingually from the Cambodian Capital as Political Atheist. --- Blog "Liv...
- 30 Jan 2013 10:17
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Shiv, not saying Selamat Pagi made a mistake, even if he did, you don't have to call him a liar. It is not like you are right all the time. When J-20 was out, you said J-20 has no weapon bays and working doors. When Y-20 is out, you say the same thing and I think you are wrong again. Why all the na...