Bharat Rakshak

ManuT

ShauryaT ji I do realise you are getting a disproportionate amount of fan mail, so no rush. I really have no problem with you having a differring or a minority view on an issue. Everyone ends up there once in a while. I am only pointing where the differences might lie. I can live with them. Correct ...

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ShauryaT ji They provoke because it is only through provoking India they keep themselves in business and the threat alive. They see Kashmir as an unresolved issue of partition based on the communal principle, and see Indian hold on it as a sheer act of force without moral conviction or right. The pr...

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ShauryaT ji What I have realised is that after the genocide of the Jews in WWII, genocide as done by Pakistani Army in Bangladesh (or in Rwanda or Darfur) are not called out because, calling it, binds the torch bearing states do to stop it (otherwise history is not kind to them). So, phrases like 'b...

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A matter of clarification

All of PA Initiated wars have been in Kashmir only, is a fact.

To the credit of Pakistan, Op Chengiz Khan started the hostilities in 1971.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Chengiz_Khan

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^ Lalmohan ji
I thought it was promising gas reserves, where not a fish flies.

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^ No PM for the last 2 months.

Current Pakistani PM: Elected but disqualified OTOH current Indian PM: Qualified but unelected.

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Ceasefire violation: Pak continues firing for seventh day NDTV Correspondent, Updated: June 19, 2012 15:59 IST Poonch, Jammu & Kashmir: After a period of brief lull, Pakistani troops resumed firing at Indian posts situated at the Line of Control (LoC) in the Krishna Ghati sector of Poonch distr...

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^ Thing is talk of 100 million exodus does not put GofP into action or TSPA to drop its hostility towards India but GOI must act to prevent such an inflow.

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Initially, India exercised restraint but both sides exchanged heavy firing after Pakistani Army officers ignored hotline messages.

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100 million refugees

Where is that number coming from.

Even the 'greatest migration in history' does not have those numbers.

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Opted for 3. Since I haven't read Rajiv Malhotra's definition specifically I looked at insufficient links from wiki. Universalism refers to any concept or doctrine that applies to all persons and/or all things for all times and in all situations, and may mean different things depending on the field ...

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ShauryaT ji A failed Pakistan is not in Indian interests This is where, I would say, you differ, and that is the source of the rest of it, I guess. A lot of folks on this forum, (including me) think otherwise. There are other shades in that opinion but the bogey that a failed Pakistan will pose a bi...

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Gen Sinha's interview is pretty good too.
Thanks to Aditya G

[youtube]wNgtmxo2zPc&feature=relmfu[/youtube]

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Aditya G wrote:Excellent interview of Lt Gen Brar (retd) on Op Blue Star.

IA was asked to do a job, and it was done.
Gen Brar a good man in a difficult situation.

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^ Ndtv video, Ikram Sehgal is at least a bit believable (compared to the other taalk show with Mush's lackey and another general sahib on the panel posted spmetime ago), but like Sid Vardharajan correctly

put it ex-soldiers DO NOT represent the establishment's view.

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Back in 1971 a body of an Lt was returned to Pune, castrated, ears and nose cut, I do not have a name nor confiramtion, only word of mouth. Do I trust it happened. 100%. Very difficuly to validate it now. It belonged to a different time and unfortunately cannot construct an disucssion around it. But...

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A PoW story not to wow Shishir Arya, TNN Jun 11, 2011, 05.02am IST NAGPUR: It was an experience which he never wanted to recall all these years. For the last four decades, Air Vice-Marshal Aditya Vikram Pethia tried to get over memories of the five-month ordeal as a prisoner of war (PoW) in Pakistan...

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^ LOC was converted to the border on private assurances and sercet clauses of Shimla agreement so that abduls don't get the idea. In return of 90,000 POWs at least Pakistan should have released the few hundred Indian POWs, or rather India should have ensured that they were released. That did not ha...

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chanakyaa ji (RamaY ji also had put this question but couldn't respond earlier) There was some track-2 before, the avalanche happened. I thought initially, TSPA would keep silent but the extent of damage was TOTAL, so that couldn't be kept down. So shifting of the blame the Indians for the futile co...

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Didn't get such an alerts from my anti virus software. :(( I am really sorry about the virus alerts folks are getting alerts. nachiket, rohitvats, RamaY have accurately put it. No further comment needed. ShauryaT, You are well within the right to question the author (I have done it too for example w...

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ShauryaT ji Having come across it, I really had 2 choices either ignore it which would have been unfair to the discussion. Or rephrase it "as my own" which would be disingenous on my part. I decided, a good article should not NOT be posted because of personalities. I really don't care whos...

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I think it is a fantastic article === Pakistan's glacier disaster: fallout yet to be felt http://southasiamonitor.org/detail.php?type=sl&nid=2700 On May 29, Pakistan officially announced that 129 soldiers and 11 civilians had died on April 7 after a massive avalanche buried the military unit ope...

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I guess the ancedote narrated to me some time ago near a highway to Texas, is known. I am onlee retelling it to a bigger group because of Ajay Sharma, so blame him. Strictly speaking, it is hear say, but one that happened. One day, a Major saab and a Captain saab showed up at Mrs Zorawar Singh's (ht...

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^ Took 3 sites down in 1 day. What would these guys do without the internet ... chase the newspaperwala? Yaseen Mullick is in dawn op-ed, for reference. http://dawn.com/2012/05/29/wheres-kashmir-in-the-new-order/ Where’s Kashmir in the new order? Tailpiece: Whatever the exigencies and reasons for ta...

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ShauryaT ji A bit late to get back. Only interested in the spectrum of opinion on the issue. The wider the spectrum the more options for India. No need to aim for a majority to screw TSP a 100% when 1 in 7 will do. Incidently, my choice is was same as yours but, other than that different POVs. I'll ...

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ShauryaT ji (I did not comment on it as I had requested a poll at time). About BK's article 'brother in arms'. IA and TSPA are not. All the promises of "brotherhood" went south pretty quickly after partition. "Indignities" of TSPA mil-attache must be coming from some Paki sense o...

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SudeepJ ji Not sure about "not being a military victory" is 1971 or Siachen, so will leave that aside. Any sympathy felt towards the accused, should be reserved for the victim. Added Later: In light of the evidence. (It is not a trick question) USSR invades Afghanistan. US arms mujahidee...

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Authenticate and withdraw is not without its own 'other' problems. Infra has been built. What do you do with it? (You can do only 2 things) (A) Mothball it or (b) Demolish it. If you mothball it, it potentially makes available resources to the enemy in case they decide to jump it, that will be used ...

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SS ji. BRF needs to involve people who have come along since. The debate does that. Facts change and don't change at the same time. But it is worthwhile to investigate if the facts have sufficiently changed. I don't think so. Then why GOI thinks it is important to sit down with this mish-mash of pre...

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There is no problem with the desire of peace. It is a worthwhile goal to be looked into. Peace with TSP of course "complicated", but least we can stick to the arguments. But the discussion has to be civil and Rohitvats words have to be read in context. ShauryaT ji is not coming from a wron...

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Internet has made a lot of things easier like pushing information, but it has made a few things for example 'reconsidering' harder. Another thing has been with the rise of the internet is that of slackistvism, (Just 'like' 'dislike' quenches the thirst). I for one, think that it is a little unfortun...

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The grass eaters of Bakistan (yes this is the actual title) “We will fight (Hindia) for a thousand years!” Declared chairman of the Bakistan Beables Barty (BBB), Zulfikar Ali Bruto. A couple of years later he was in Hindia trying to negotiate the release of 90,000 Bakistani prisoners of war. http:/...

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B.Kumar wrote: Deepest apologies if I've taken up valuable space.

Dear B.Kumar ji, no need to apologise, for something you saw as inaccurate.
At least it shows an interest and you brought it to someone's attention.

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Thanks for your participation. And the winner is ....option 5. Position of folks on BRF is to take the initiative to POK. I found it a bit surprising. I would have guessed Option 1 with, Option 5 would have been underdog position. But it was a good learning point. I posed this question because...

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I voted for 2
I imagine there would be a need for troops for monitoring, but the numbers could be reduced.

If not possible then 1. till a series of minor others issues are solved first.

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negi wrote:Voted for option 4; not a blade of grass grows there.

Negi ji,
requesting a small clarification.
Your choice is with Option 2 or Option 3.

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Manu you are talking in C++. Sir I can only hope that the folks have voted also picked out a reason for their vote. That can come from the list provided or that can be their own. But I can't influence any to put in a reason, right, I can only hope. If the second part is confusing, that is coming fr...

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Guys, Just a little feedback from my side. Thanks for your the participation till now. Compared to mauling one can get in threads I thought one would not mind a little scratch. As you can see it just something on the fly. I do apologise if it is a little confusing. I not an expert in these matters. ...

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SaiK wrote:I am not sure what is the weightage option 5 has against 1? It sounds like 1+6=6

SaiK ji

1. would be status quo like 18th parallel.

6. would be about "taking the initiative", but again to where and that would be different for different people.

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It is just that people with different opinions might choose the same option. A view that "Never withdraw" and "don't withdraw" are different. "Don't withdraw" can also be sub divided into "don't withdraw till more complex issues are solved" and "don't wit...

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