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ShauryaT

Then how do you explain the growth of a nationalist Hindu party from near death, in electoral terms in 1984 to close to 200 seats in 1999? We need to look at the glass as half full and not as half empty. The BJP is now as pro-hindu as the congress was in 1965 The congress has morphed into the musli...

ShauryaT

G Subramaniam wrote: Thanks to 60 years of secular brainwashing, IMHO hindus no longer have the stomach to resist

Then how do you explain the growth of a nationalist Hindu party from near death, in electoral terms in 1984 to close to 200 seats in 1999?

We need to look at the glass as half full and not as half empty.

ShauryaT

8. Thanks to lack of counter violence, there will be one more islamic partition in WB and Assam Of course counter violence is not a long term solution, but in the 1947 scenario, it had a salutary effect GS: You are getting the likely impact of the growth of muslim populations alright but do NOT agr...

ShauryaT

Also, while, IMO, Indian Muslims must go all out to meet the concerns of our compatriots, I am convinced that there are some who we can never satisfy, no matter what we do, because their problem is not with Muslims, but with Islam itself. Faraz: I will encourage you to look at it this way. Some her...

ShauryaT

One place to test this is the entire border districts around Bangladesh from South Paraganas, into Assam, Meghalaya and Tripura. Does this theory hold there as most of the districts there will exceed 15% muslim population? In Tripura and West Bengal this is somewhat diluted by CPM vote rigging Howe...

ShauryaT

Shaurya, Muslims are not hard wired to Isalmic ideology. Their behavior will change, when you can influence/control/change or replace their operating system. [quoteI want to believe you. But I'd like to know I believe something not because I want to but because it is real. Can you pls backup your a...

ShauryaT

x-post from the India-China thread: Tarun Vijay on Ladakhi Buddhist concerns about Chinese and muslim aggression Scary. SBajwa has been crying hoarse trying to remind people that if in EVERY interaction muzlims have behaved this way, why would you expect them to behave differently now. Can we not l...

ShauryaT

BTW.. those who don't know what SDRE ="Short Dark Rice Eating" I realize the SDRE tag is a little tongue in cheek, however repeated a 1000 times, it starts getting a ring of seriousness to it. I have never felt comfortable with this description....Most of my family and many North Indians ...

ShauryaT

4. This is not a scare tactic. Many posters have claimed a linear relationship between muslim % and effectiveness of votebank, whereas in actuality, between 15% and 40% anti-muslim candidates tend to win One place to test this is the entire border districts around Bangladesh from South Paraganas, i...

ShauryaT

. There are many good Individual Muslims who are loyal to motherland and has sacrificed for India but as a community Islam demands loyality to Ummah and not to mother country. All these shenanigans to prove the Indian roots are just plain untrue. Kwaja will serve his community better by being hones...

ShauryaT

Shiv, this soul will go further. http://indianmuslims.in/where-do-indian-muslims-go-from-here/ My responses, for what they are worth: Most Muslim rulers and their noblemen in India forsook the ethos of the West Asian nations of their origin and integrated themselves with the culture and soil of Indi...

ShauryaT

x-post from book review: Can someone commment on the truth index of this story? [quote="Acharya"][quote]Name of the Book: Tuhfat al-Mujahidin (translated from Arabic by S. Muhammad Husayn Nainar) Author: Shaykh Zainuddin Makhdum Year: 2006 Pages: 139 Publisher: Islamic book Trust, Kuala Lu...

ShauryaT

Doc, Is discussion on changing the Constitution and replacing it with another Treason against the Republic? It is not the same as amending a certain clause of the Constitution. There are a whole bunch of people who intend to change the constitution of India. From the Marxist terrorists in Indian hi...

ShauryaT

Doc, I have to sign off now. Will come back in a few days with a looong post - with my current understanding of what a Dharmic constitution, evisaged will entail. The works on the issue are extremely sketchy. So, anything, I post, will not be complete and will have holes, but it will be a start. It ...

ShauryaT

With respect Shaurya - with nobody being able to even say what is dharmic in the narrow context of islam, I see your proposals as both without future and without any direction as far as the topic of this thread is concerned. That is entirely your prerogative, but I have to point out things as I see...

ShauryaT

Added: I also envisage a scrapping of the current constitution and the writing of a new one. Even without the Dharma thing, our consititution is in a horrible mess. This view has consensus across the political spectrum, except for the people, who have milked the system so far. While you are at it (...

ShauryaT

So the real solution is to fix the Constitution to reflect our Dharma as we understand and all will be well -- for now. Further it the nebulousness which the strenght of Hinduism; It is point less if we destroy the very fuzziness of the system to fight against hard coded system. Even if we win; Hin...

ShauryaT

Choose any one or more of these favorites of mine from Sri Ramakrishna, Vivekananda, Sri Aurobindo, Ramana Maharishi, Swami Dayananda , Sri Ram Swarup and even Sri Vamdev Shastri (David Frawley). Swami Dayanand!!! Oh Boy. I guess there are way too many out there. The one I had in mind was Dayananda...

ShauryaT

Sanku wrote: How will defining and further defining the hurt help? If you can't define something, you cannot defend it..... I can understand that dharma cannot be written down for all time, etc. etc., but how about defining one for the present? Is that also impossible? If that is the case, might as...

ShauryaT

Saudi Arabia is a HB - these can achieve immense power and wealth - but they cannot be sustained in the long run. The desert sands consumes all and even that remains not. Come on now, they have been at it since the early 7th century now. That cannot be sustained in the long run statement needs empi...

ShauryaT

shiv wrote:
ShauryaT wrote: I am not disagreeing, even if meat eating is a tamasvic activity, no excuse for discrimination on that basis. Those practices and the categorizations of people as Mlechas will have to go.
Meat eating is Rajasic food - the food of kings.

I stand corrected.

ShauryaT

Let us hear it straight and simple Rye, for I have no clue on what you are trying to say. If Hindus cannot agree on what Hindu Dharma is, and that is what you have said a few times, then it is highly unlikely that they are going to be able to convince themselves of who they are, leave alone the non...

ShauryaT

I think it is because Indic people's world view is rooted in Dharma. There is no other reason, ramana. There are only three civilizations, as per Huntington, where a long lasting true democracy is a natural fit. The west, India and Japan. The warriors in the US are thinking....the only question is,...

ShauryaT

SharyaT wrote: If we are looking for some kind of a single version, written code of Dharma, it ain't happening. Sorry to hear that. I guess Hindus ain't going to stop whining and moaning any time soon about how unfair the planet is treating all of them. What are you proposing for you have not given...

ShauryaT

Consensus and Leadership are all excuses to delay the obvious first step -- write down what dharma means to living, practising hindus JMTs Not sure what do you mean, write down...This stuff is already written and widely available in the private space. If we are looking for some kind of a single ver...

ShauryaT

Given that, how can a consensus be reached on "dharma"? What you say are true words. This is why, along with seeking to reach consensus, I have stressed the role of leadership. Consensus alone would not do it. IMHO, the best way for dharma to progress is for Hindus themselves to codify it...

ShauryaT

I do not think Hindus are looking for authoritive validation from books about Dharma. Our historical literature are useful tools. Period. Hindus have a larger problem in defining what their core beliefs are in the first place....dharma is supposed to be a the core of hinduism and yet not many hindu...

ShauryaT

Today's Hindus have a choice of either saying "go read the book for dharma" or deriving those rules based on consensus and based on a common world view close to today's realities, and drawing from existing definitions of dharma....which one do folks think will be looked upon with less sus...

ShauryaT

Self Deleted. Rudranath has done the needful. Thanks.

ShauryaT

I think too much has been made out of my statements about Indian texts. My reference to the existence of dharma outside those texts has been used to create a strawman that has me dismissing the importance of those texts. That is rubbish - please stop. ....... Hindus are a bunch of pseudos don't you...

ShauryaT

If that continuous stream has been lost, going to the books is only like digging up an archeologiical site. The books describe a dharma which is dead and will not bring the practice of dharma back to life. It has been lost as a living entity practised in day to day life. Like a dead city. Even curs...

ShauryaT

With respect Shaurya your post is indicative of the rigidity and blindness that education in India and pressure from other civilizations has brought about in Hindu thought. I am referring to the manner in which books are invoked as repositories of truth, forgetting that the truth exits outside of t...

ShauryaT

Sorry. This isn't good and this is the failing of Hindus who are themselves unable to say what's good in the Gita. How do you expect the idiot Hindus to learn, when a dhimmified and macuaylized mind is propogating "secular" education, instead of Hindu education in the sacred land of the H...

ShauryaT

What if anything is the common points we can agree upon? If we can say - here are the tenets of Islam, can we then say of these we can see tenets 2, 5 and 6 enable Dharma? Or can we reach no such agreement? I fear no such agreement. EVERYTHING in Islam is subject to the frameworks setup in Islam, w...

ShauryaT

All that said - my humble definition of Adharma: Any collective that prevents the freedom to pursue (gnana) knowledge, artha (wealth), kama (desires) or moksha (salvation) by an individual. Does it not require a further categorization into Satvic, Rajasvic and Tamasvic to determine, if these action...

ShauryaT

ShauryaT wrote: Why does that preclude from the design of rules or laws. Laws can change if Dharma changes....the application of law can be contextual. The determination of appropriateness can be decided by a judge or jury. I think we already have something known as the constitution that is suppose...

ShauryaT

Sorry for the basic/rudimentary question, but can any of the gurus explain in simple terms: What are the fundamental rules for evaluating whether an action is dharmic or not? Should this be defined in terms of some set of litmus tests for an action that puts it in the "dharmic" or "a...

ShauryaT

Sorry for the basic/rudimentary question, but can any of the gurus explain in simple terms: What are the fundamental rules for evaluating whether an action is dharmic or not? Should this be defined in terms of some set of litmus tests for an action that puts it in the "dharmic" or "a...

ShauryaT

How about this one. Islam itself is extremism, looked at from the viewpoint of Dharma. A lot of what it calls for is far from what is dharma, although there may be some dharmic aspects. We have dissected Islamism. Can one dissect individual islamic dictates and demands from a dharmic viewpoint? Let...

ShauryaT

I seriously believe Sanku and you are arguing in parallel and challenging the "reinvention" of Dharma, but you do not offer any alternate definition of Islamic Extremism that I can understand, other than each sub-group of Hindu's perhaps have a different perception of what Islamic Extremi...

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