Bharat Rakshak

amit

Well have you considered another explanation for dhimminess + long term survival? To me it indicates that Hindus are not the peaceful tolerant bunch they are made out to be . The HISI seculars of India like to say "Oh Hindus are tolerant" After putting this "chhaap" (shaap?) on ...

amit

Do you actually believe that Hindus stored their wealth in temples? and that muslims invaded and destroyed these temples for the wealth stored in them? ShauryaT, I'm sure you know the history of the Somnath Temple much better than I do. And I quoted a specific temple not all temples. The temple was...

amit

Undoubtedly, the narrative is masked. One important aspect is that the Indic thoughts germinated wholly in the Indic region and is very deeply rooted. The roots and foundations are extremely well laid and strong, that to dislodge them would require fight that would require orders of magnitude as to...

amit

:rotfl: well "some" measure of agreement is good "sometimes" otherwise how do we unite to get anything done? The agreement comes when after the churn a new idea emerges which has elements of both original ideas - maybe some of more, less of the other, but nonetheless a child of ...

amit

Essentially, dont look now but we seem to be agreeing . :wink: Hey Bro, We're Argumentative Indians - we are like that onlee (there, my small contribution to Dhimmitude). If we start agreeing on everything then we begin to sound like the drones from the Middle Kingdom who preiodically visit BRF on ...

amit

Neither is the Modi variety IMHO.. What we need is Modi^N where N-->infinity; before the end even people like you will come to see the truth where the blindness of years of dhimmitude cover your eyes. Sanku, I think Modi is a product and not the cause of what will be a tectonic shift in Hindu thoug...

amit

This is one reason I am more optimistic about Modi. RSS has lost a lot of touch with the young. Modi may be able to bring a paradigm-shift even within the "parivar", who knows. One fact is that he has captured the youth's mindscape in Gujarat at least. To deal with an adversary, one can u...

amit

LATIMES: wow open bombing of the towns now... MIRAM SHAH, PAKISTAN -- Pakistani aircraft bombed a village bazaar packed with shoppers near the Afghan border Tuesday, pushing the death toll to 250 in four days of fighting, the deadliest clashes since Pakistan threw its support behind the U.S.-led wa...

amit

Funny approach IMVVVVHO. Whats the hurry? Let the plane be designed completely first? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Uncharitable (but human) possiblity: May be KS in his age is now restless and wants to see the nuclear transition through under his own stew...

amit

So KS wants an example of when India compromised on national sovereignity? Eh? You don't have to go too far - the withdrawal of Indian forces from an imminent war after the Parliament attack - mainly on account of American pressure delivered by people like Armitrage and nandan nilekani. Abhi, What ...

amit

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amit

Clarifications Amit Sir; I have no love lost for Dr Singh; yet I have never called him (or anyone else) names; by weak link in the chain; all I mean is that they were looking for a person over whose eyes they could pull wool over. I may think that Dr Singh is not a good PM but I have never called h...

amit

The real damage would have been done by then. They were keeping their eyes open for one weak link in the chain; and once identified and broken; it becomes far more difficult to put the chain together again. Sorry Sanku, This sounds too much like a dial'a conspiracy theory to me. It can be argued, a...

amit

I dare say as Ramana and Achyara are begining to hint; there compulsions are from a external source rather than Indian; either that or their sense of India is completely at variance with the majority. If we do assume that there are external forces involved, would they be happy with a deal that may ...

amit

When congress is ready they will move on the nuclear deal causing elections. Sanku, That's exactly my point. It's no longer a question of whether the Congress has guts or not. They've planted themselves in such a corner that they have to go forward with the deal or lose whatever little credibilty t...

amit

at this point, it all comes down to whether the Left has the guts to call it quits if Congress goes ahead with the deal. also, how long is it before the deal is to be finally operationalized, which is what matters? can it happen anytime in a month? two months? three? six? depending on the time fram...

amit

N-Deal: Govtâ€™s hardsell vs Left hard line New Delhi, September 19: A meeting of the UPA-Left committee on the Indo-US nuclear deal on Wednesday could not find any common grounds for the coalition partners, with both sides sticking to their positions. Though the Government tried its best to convin...

amit

Abhi, Sanku,

I throw up my hands!

This kind of argument can go on and on till the cows come home!

Cheers!

amit

Amit; I have seen that report before; and yes what you are saying would have been more belieavble if > > > > Given the above; pardon me if I dont hold my breath for a positive resolution at IAEA. Sanku, So the great AK, who's so admired (shall I say was?) on BRF turns out to be a weak kneed civil s...

amit

Amit, walking away at this juncture will have both positive and negative consequences. Just like not walking away. :) I have already given the Enron example. That project was shoved down out throats by the US/Clinton govt with the threat that if we don;t accept it, India will not receive any FDI. S...

amit

[quote="NRao"] IAEA talks may be held in October [quote] AEC chief to seek exemption from NSG curbs â€œWe will demand an unconditional and total exemption from all the guidelines prescribed by the Nuclear Suppliers Group during our talks with them. We will not allow any preconditions or po...

amit

I know you will disagree but ponder and think: rather than justify this mess one way or the other; isnt it simpler to just say:: Its a mess and it stinks and walk away? Sanku, Depends on whether one thinks its a mess or not. I don't think it started out as a mess, but the politicians are trying dam...

amit

Sanku, First of all I've never called you or anyone else for the matter names! That's not my style. :D I asked you a rather retorical question because my feeling is (correct me if I'm wrong) that you're more interested in discussing the technical merits or otherwise of 123 without factoring in the o...

amit

So, the question comes - why is this government pushing this deal with so many lies? Indeed!! PS> Many thanks :wink: Sanku, It would be interesting to hear from you why you think the "government is pushing this deal with so many lies". Diclaimer: If you've already stated your reasons, ple...

amit

Amit; we (at least I) have been keeping the discussion under restricted realm of "how does the 123 deal get India to be a equal oppertunity participant in the Nuke process" (where equal is equal to NWS). This was what was promised. The questions are does it or does it not? If it does not ...

amit

@amit: The last bit in your post was directed at me I think; which is okay since I made that post with comparisons; however dont get me wrong I wasnt comparing anything; it is just that the post to which my reply was made was so deep that anything else would be unjust reply. Secondly; there are all...

amit

I am not sure whether this thought has been already posted in BRF: If China wants to stop the India-US deal in its tracks, then all it has to do is to claim (at an opportune time and forum of its choice) that it has carried out a nuclear test. The rest will follow. But I think China won't do it; by...

amit

For example if you read the link I posted; it says that if a foreign policy is an "executable deed" it can override the domestic law. In that link itself there are clues on how to frame 123. Perhaps one way will be to remove the clause "w.r.t domestic law" and insert "the a...

amit

Amit; to do what you are asking me; I would need a lawyer on my team which I dont have (despite N^3 repeated assertion that I am BJPs spokesman here; hence have the Arun Jaitely with me or something :lol: ) Sanku, Relax, I'm not asking for a legal document - then I'd have to be a lawyer too to unde...

amit

Secondly; saying the Hyde act is now fait accompli and we must accept it is to my mind a logic on the lines of (pardon my french) "Well we have been made Ch*****ya's by the Americans who played bait and switch, we lost game over lets give in now" Passing of Hyde act is fait accompli but n...

amit

First of all apologies for a long post. It seems that the arguments and counter arguments on this thread between those in favour of the deal and those against are going around in circles with the same points and counter points being articulated with a fair amount of EB and YB colour being added for ...

amit

ABV and Co., may or may not be able to get a better deal - because 'better' or 'worse' is subjective. In fact ABV Govt had been trying to get a good deal., and they could not conclude the deal during the life of their Govt. What is alarming is the spin that without this deal India's future is doome...

amit

Sanku, Thanks for taking the trouble to articulate these 7 points. While I don't think anyone can be serious and still disagree with you that all these points are very desirable from an Indain perspective, what I am wondering is how much of it is practical and achievable. Wouldn't be a bit unrealist...

amit

Thanks abhischekcc.

I get a feeling that I'm going to enjoy myself on this forum. Just looking forward to my first scrap!

amit

Sanku, I've been keenly following the raging debate between the anti-deal and pro-deal folks here and I see that you've come across as one of the most articulate persons in the anti-deal camp (please note I am not calling you an EB!). Since you think that the India can renegoitate a better deal from...

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