Bharat Rakshak

John

Considering for 6 billion dollars we are getting only 5 systems ( already cost more than 2.5 times as Mr-sam and that doesn't all price escalations that will happen by the time system is inducted) and we are paying much more than China or Turkey for these systems. Throw in there no tech transfer or ...

John

He's Admiral of the Fleet! Did you read an earlier post about Ru tactics to destroy US CBGs? A Backfire can carry sev. more BMos , Kalibir or Ru's newest missiles than a Flanker derivative.Launching them well out of range of the carrier's aircraft, massed shoes can be launched.If 12 missiles are la...

John

We never had any naval ports that would have allowe us to berth the Varyag in early 90 , the Karwar which could do that came much later , during 90 we had no money to maintain existing ships much less buying a mammoth like varyag We did not have $20M? Even if we had to anchor the thing outside Mumb...

John

I recall seeing a figure of 1000 for Indian armed forces at the inception of the program. Plus about 1500 exports. Highly doubt we will get any export customers, the air launched variant could have some demand even then there is only few platforms that can carry it. Where as naval variant has compe...

John

indeed - even with no radar or aircraft equipments, the ships sea trials could commence .... there would be 1000s of test cases non involving these. instead of radar they could bolt some steel plates to simulate the weight for CG calculations. instead of aircraft some piles of steel plates again, n...

John

^ Not sure how Sq area of the country matters ( so you are telling me Greenland (Denmark) should field one of most powerful navies in the world) Australia population is only 24 million so they are relatively small but have high GDP/Def budget. They are fielding 3 Hobart class DDG which are one of mo...

John

Could Akash be developed into a naval SAM system too? I know that the B-8 supposedly a JV with Israel but depends hugely upon it, has been earmarked for our principal warships as principal anti-air/missile defence.However, a secondary desi SAM system based upon Akash could be very useful also and p...

John

John So IR seeker mode Akash can work in look down and shoot mode due to the ballistic trajectory? Need more information I don't think they did any software updates to allow this and this would require much more testing as well. Perhaps for now it will serve as a backup when engagement radar is off...

John

Akash can engage low flying targets and has been tested extensively in that regime. That's likely not the real reason, but more about survivability. Doesn't SAM follow a ballistic trajectory when intercepting very low flying CMs? If there was a radar seeker, it would be looking down and could be ef...

John

FWIW, Kashtan was chosen for Type 17 but dropped because of its poor performance in Talwar class. http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/weapons/specs/190-Project-17.html For the CIWS (Close In Weapon System) role, the ship was originally designed for two Kashtan Air Defence Gun/Missile mounts but this...

John

John are you here just to troll , you claim many things without backing up without any thing , have you seen mod brief on Syria pantsir was the best performing in Syria which had most hits even better than some of medium range Sam like Buk m1 Don’t just make claims pulling it out of thinn air you h...

John

No one here made such claims so no need to get hyperbole .....but this not 30 years back where IAF can enter SAA airspace and wont face resistance or loss of asset which indeed they already did Sticking to relevant Pantsir poor performance doesn't surprise me Syria could be facing similar issues we...

John

The western observer says "we hit them all", and we are to believe them. The Russians say that the vehicle had run out of ammo and was being reloaded, and we are to call BS. Even if that was reloading in this situation IDF seems to have knocked out a lot of Pantsir and system overall seem...

John

^ In the previous Allied strike all missiles were reported to have hit the target and there is detailed analysis of what hit where and even Syrian observers have confirmed no missiles were shot by Syrian Air defenses. As for Israeli strikes we just don't know IDF doesn't release much info on these s...

John

It can be seen quite clearly in video that pantasir radar was down and it was reloading but saa still managed to shoot 50 % if Israel pgms and 60 % of missile of allies using mostly using antiquated Sam I would take that with grain of salt cannot comment on Israeli strikes but most analysts agree n...

John

"Mikhail Khodorenok, a retired Russian colonel, also told RT that the Pantsir-S1 wasn't camouflaged, meaning it "wasn't ready for engagement." He added that the incident didn't "question the high combat capabilities" of the system. Excuses keep rolling in keep in mind even ...

John

The cancelation of Skyshield joint venture with BEL was big blow it had great potential to not just provide fill in IAF req but also provide IA with a platform for a wheeled Air defense gun system and CIWS for the navy.

John

S-400 is not the name of one missile or missile system. It is the brain behind an integrated missile defence system which contains short range, medium range, long range and xtra long range missile systems. So unless all missile systems are in place S-400 makes no sense, where S-400 is capable is th...

John

It is the IAF that has made acquiring the S-400 a top priority,according to last official reports on the same.The manner in which Israel is trying desperately to stop even S-300 missiles sold to Syria and Iran shows how lethal these missiles are. Until we are able to design,develop and produce our ...

John

Picklu wrote:Believe the diff is twin vs quad inclined launcher.

The twin was used for testing purposes but final configuration was always supposed to be quad launchers , test platforms always vary the nanchuka that was testing Yakhont had a Sextuple launcher for example.

John

Well if L&T is rejoicing over something Brahmos Corp or DRDO did 15 years back then good for them ! Inclined launcher were the first operational brahmos on any IN ships The real story is that these launchers will equip ships. Which are those ships? This was two years ago. It lines up L&T st...

John

The inclined launcher are used in Rajput/Ranvijay class ships since long as they replaced Styx not sure why this is a big news , may be because L&T made it ? The ones in both vessels I believe are not production variant. So yes L&T manufacturing it is reason for the news but not new develop...

John

The quad launcher angle must have been carefully selected. Probably impacts range of the missile. I think their plan would be to replace 8 urans with 4 brahmos. The launcher would be forward facing and canted outward. If you observe INS mysore has large missile shields which were rumoured to take t...

John

I don't follow the discussion what part S-400 needs to be developed with exception of XR SAM they are all there as part of layered air defense system with various systems. Instead ofone system being jack of all trades like S-400. 3 or 4 layered systems may not work efficiently if they are not put t...

John

About time, inclined launchers should allow us to phase out Styx missiles and eventually Uran missiles and replace them with 8 Brahmos.

John

Developing domestic product(S-3/400 equivalent) in this environment would either be improbable or result in delays given the limited amount of funds we have, Not really, R&D / DRDO will get sufficient funds to pursue new weapons development. I don't follow the discussion what part S-400 needs t...

John

^ That's for info. I don't think it will encourage move foreign yards since even Russia seems to be more outsourcing that work to local yards under the guise of "Made in India" to maximize profit. It will only increase pressure to finalize the Admiral Grigorivich deal.

John

Kmsam is like our akash1 We should ioc the akash2 , build a akash3 and comvine them into a s300 type system Why are we not investing into an Astra based SAM for Mid Range capabilities? Astra will be more along the lines of srsam but currently Akash fills that role. Mr-sam already addresses medium t...

John

^ Kit what are you trying to imply? On paper Mr-sam is superior to KM-SAM or 9m96e. But S-400 has other missiles like 40n6 which have no domestic equivalent.

John

That video is from 2011, and from the looks of it we aren't going to have any new designed frigates/destroyers before the late 2020's. Ships are designed around systems. We've state of the art Elta 2248, LRSAM & BrahMos that would be ahead of the curve for atleast 10-15 years. The Type 15A/B ha...

John

I wouldn't be too sure of that. According to a CAG report, the late switch from AK-100 to 76 mm SRGM caused significant delays during P15A construction. That switch was made after one ship was launched, but now we have two hulls in the water that need to be modified for Mk 45. P15A from what I unde...

John

The fallout from Augusta Westland scam was blocking the contract for Oto Melara 127 mm. I guess this is the resolution for that conundrum. I would expect some delays in announced timelines for P15B and maybe even P17A, now that they have to be redesigned to accommodate a different gun. Should not b...

John

Specs - MDL Stealth Frigate P-17A Class Info by Delhi defence Review , on Flickr quite clean layout ! .. now if they replace that smallish oto melara with this :mrgreen: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/U5ZvMxGNvc4/maxresdefault.jpg I highly doubt P -17a will resemble the CGI image, the model is more accurat...

John

Problem is slow pace at which vessels get fitted for example construction for visakhapatnam barely made any progress in last 1+ year the latest pics showed just radar housing was fitted but other than that ship fitment is moving snails pace. India has been interested in these FFGs as the UKR has no ...

John

Even if LRSAMs are expensive, why not have extra silos that are empty most of the time? Each system costs about 150 million I believe it includes launcher, fire control systems and missiles (+ spares). Not sure you can customize it to have just launcher and how much that makes up the overall cost ....

John

If the navy wants RBU on it ships, no option but to go for 10000T DDG. Need atleast 48 SAMs and 48 LACMs/AShMs. Not necessarily IMO, If you notice the amount of unused space between UVLS (brahmos launchers) and barak 8 launchers and if you properly use that space. You can easily fit 32 vls launcher...

John

Sir, has the capability demonstrated by any one. And if so when. Do let us know. And under what conditions for it so the job. Such as will it be able to intercept a torpedo set to run a 300 meter deapth and then make a near vertical approach against the target. Or for that matter approach the ship ...

John

When I look at the so called advantages of RBU and the disadvantage of not having it. I would be happy to get rid of the RBU. For a simple reason that it absence will help in reducing the RCS of the ship. Where it presence and capabilities will not help in saving the ship in case of war. Simply bec...

John

But it takes so much space that aaw and other important capacity is reduced. Besides I am not sure if the RBU 6000 is actually very effective in the intended role. As a modern sub has no need to get within the range of RBU. Secondly, the RBU is not a guided weapon, so it will be a very lucky shot i...

John

1. I'm pretty sure that's an LO 127mm housing looking at the scale and shape. 2. If we delete the RBUs and use UVLS for all missiles including LRSAM then there looks to be capacity for 48 cells easily. If we figure out quad packing for the SAMs then it will be a generously equipped ship. 3. Taking ...

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