Bharat Rakshak

John

Reg.Kilo costs today,last yr. a quick-fix interim solution to our declining and aging sub inventory was offered by Ru. 3+3 refurbished and new Kilo 636.3 ,all to the latest variant for just $1.8 to 2 B.This works out to an average cost of just $300- 350M a pop. That is incorrect it was upgrade of o...

John

the S400 is described as a system of systems that can be continually upgraded / modified etc , and part reason of India's interest . Indeed the software and processing capability including the ability to discriminate decoys etc are significant.,.. some details look classified as with all systems. S...

John

Barak-8, on ships, has a minimum engagement distance of 500m. So, I don't believe Akash-NG fills a gap in coverage. It might just be a replacement of Akash-1/1S, while being a cheaper option of MRSAM with a similar engagement envelope. It’s not about the minimum range it is about a layered air defe...

John

mody wrote:Akash NG, is supposed to be 70-80 Kms. It is our equivalent to the Barak-8 based MRSAM.
Will cost less than half as per some online speculation.

I believe Akash NG is intended to fill the gap between Akash (10-25km) and Barak-8 (intended for targets 50-100 km).

John

Brahmos A can be optimized significantly. But I have been hearing about brahmos mini and NG for so long that I have given up hope. This is what happens when you don't have design autonomy. I have much more hope on LFRJ-based solution. ??? Brahmos-NG was always advertised to be ready for testing onl...

John

la.khan wrote:For LCA Mk2, I thought Brahmos was a given. Can Brahmos, as it exists today launched from a Su30MKI, be ported over to LCA Mk2?

Brahmos can only be air launched by modified Su-30mki.

John

So the ramjet is gone ? Been calling this for a while, the Ramjet taken and improved up on from its predecessor SA-6 has far too many limitations on speed and range it is good we switched from it. FYI the Russian Buk which has done similar approach had its range limited to 30-40 km due to obsolete ...

John

During Gulf war Missouri (iirc) engaged Iraqi positions with her main gun but also I believe she was targeted by Iraqi Silkworm missile luckily a British destroyer engaged those missiles. This goes to show vulnerability to Ashm more than 30 yrs ago against a neutralized opponent.

John

Hiting land based targets with a ship is extremely dangerous as it allows coastal batteries to attack the ship and much harder to detect Ashm launched from land & you have shorter reaction time as well. With advent of suicide drones that threat has only increased and heck even houthis and Hizb. ...

John

Why are these 127mm guns so expensive? What about alternatives? About ~$50 million per gun. Not that expensive. I suppose these were chosen for future longer range 'smart rounds' that would increase the effectiveness of the gun in the air defense role. Thats quite a bit of $$ given that Barak-8 cos...

John

^ We could have had that nearly a decade ago with Skyshield but blacklisting killed that program which could replaced Bofors 40mm and Ak-630 guns. The Skyshield system also supported integration of SAM.

John

Best way to counter uav swarm would be to utilize medium caliber gun (40 mm) with air burst.

John

I would much rather go for smaller caliber SRGM and use the $$ and space saved be used for another Barak-8 module. Perhaps ship-to-shore bombardment is emerging as a priority based on recent evacuation experiences in Yemen, etc. Likewise ship-to-shore bombardment is a literal expression of gunboat ...

John

https://twitter.com/strategic_front/status/1346784082730995712?s=20 ---> US Navy would be providing three 127mm medium caliber guns from its own inventory to urgently equip warships of the Indian Navy as part of a Rs 3,800 crore deal. I would much rather go for smaller caliber SRGM and use the $$ a...

John

When I asked a Russian interlocutor why Moscow isn’t more supportive of its ally(Armenia), they responded in even starker terms: “NATO isn’t supposed to support Turkey’s military adventures in foreign lands, be it northern Syria or Libya, right? So, why should Russia support Armenian military adven...

John

chola wrote:^^^ What?! When the hell did this happen?

It didn’t happen, please let’s not derail the thread with Cold War garbage that is backfire, only combat sortie it ever flew against a competent opponent it got shot down (Georgia knocked down a recon version with outdated SAM),

John

India lost an opportunity to go inside Armenia militarily and understand turkeys firepower. Added later: Armenia seems to have suffered for NATOs involvement with turkeys war in Syria. In plain words, Armenia will not receive security guarantees from Russia until NATO/Americans withdraw support to ...

John

^^^ Yes, the fear is we would get the same batch that Algeria had returned because the Algerians found that the parts in them were severely old and worn: http://idrw.org/careful-india-mig-29-offered-by-russia-might-be-of-inferior-quality/ Russia is mainly interested in dumping mothballed/existing i...

John

trump is a master at the strategy of creating chaos and benefiting from it. I highly doubt Trump is master of anything, his strategy is focused on benefiting him financially, politically or to help out his boss ( Putin). He wanted to keep a amicable relationship with Xi remember all the comments do...

John

We need Xi or Xi like character in China. More they get over confidence of their power, more trouble they will create. And China creating trouble is what we want. One of the biggest suprises with China in past four years is they didn't take advantage of Trump and vaccum he left in lack of global le...

John

No need to buy any Kilos from Russia as they are asking $1.8 Billion for 6 of them. They are essentially asking $300 Million for modernizing and supplying 30 + year old rust buckets. Did i forget to mention that out of those 6, 3 are our own Kilo's!!! Now if they want to supply totally new Kilos wi...

John

Pakis used a lot of drones on 27 feb and will try and attack our Sam's with drones, we would need something to defend SAM Ak 630 type defenses to take out drones and PGMs targeting the Sam's Skyshield with AHEAD ammunition would have been ideal but it is shame the whole venture feel apart due to bl...

John

I mentioned it before I have given up on HAL ever building LCA in large number till HAL is booted out and the production is moved over more competent player. Don't expect LCA production ever come close to timelines no matter how many lines are created and how many orders are placed.

John

I have no love for Russians. Even with upgrades, S-300PM has a lot of limitations which are hard to remove for a 35 years old system. It maybe good against planes and cruise missiles but simply has nothing to offer against small drones. TOR has been a failure even in Georgia and Ukraine(?). Russian...

John

Even Amrenian S-300 PM were 35 years old and were designed for defence against cruise missiles & aircraft. This old tech can’t engage more than a handful of targets at a time and was never designed for defence against small drones. Even most modern defence systems are vulnerable to saturation a...

John

Are you talking about muzzle velocity? Not sure what you mean by 3x lower. ATAGS is 1000 m/s. muzzle velocity is different from initial shell velocity ISV is highest velocity achieved by a shell usually at mid barrel or there about ISV is used to caculate recoil force generation plus barrel distort...

John

Do we make the rockets for the Smerch MBRL ourselves or import from Russia? If we can develop guided Smerch rockets similar to the Pinaka, with the 300mm diameter and longer length, the rockets can potentially have a range of upto 125-140 Kms. A precision guided rocket with that range would be grea...

John

RE: Athos vs ATAGS ATAGS has the highest initial shell velocity among all current past and future 155s arty. it is 2.8x the now canceled by Rumsfield amreeki SPH 1.8x current big daddy PHZ2000 athos is 800 meter per second which is almost 3x lower than ATAGS, google for ffects of initial shell velo...

John

There aren't enough SAMs to stop a few saturated missile attacks. The Talwars have more weaponry / t than the P-17/17As. What are you talking about Talwar only has 24 shtil-1 and 2nd batch do not have Kashtan in fact P-17 with Barak-1/Shtil are superior to Talwar 1st batch with Kashtan/Shtil. As Ba...

John

Rakesh wrote:Vidur-ji, I believe that model is fairly close to the real thing. Will have to wait and see.

P-17a to my knowledge will carry only one helicopter should be able to find images of Nilgiri that is further along that can confirm this.

John

Is it viable to have a scaled up Trophy or Afghanit like system as a last ditch defense system against subsonic anti ship missiles? Not really possible because trophy is meant to stop rpg and atgm which weigh no more than 30 kg in a small area. Where as with a ship is much bigger & venerable (a...

John

The RBU-6000 don't add much to radar cross section and the launcher can be tilted upwards and rounds stowed inside if you want to reduce cross section. But I would be more worried about damage control a direct hit on rbu when rockets are loaded could trigger an explosion unlike main gun rounds or br...

John

What is so special about RBU-6000 or is it the lack of ASROC equivalent that is making us stick to RBU-6000? Against an idle submarine running on batteries it is really the only option that can deal with them as they will too quiet to be detected by sonar. ASUW Strategy would be to saturate the are...

John

^ If you simply the design by removing RBU-6000 and fit in universal VLS that is similar to Mk 41 you can easily fit 48-64 VLS cells by the bow and another 16 by the hanger.

John

Simple. Brahmos launchers are about twice the size of mk 41 vls, let's assume in space used for 2x16 Barak 8 launchers we can plug in 2x16 mk 41 cells and another 16 in place of Rbu-6000. We easily get to 80 mk 41 cell and keep in mind mixing various launchers we introduce lot of inefficiency in te...

John

an example exists with south korea - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sejong_the_Great-class_destroyer - beast of a ship :shock: The power of this thing is beyond comprehension TBH but it is nowhere near 13K tons. How do they pack in 128 VLS for SAM/ASW/Land Attack plus 16 AShMs? The P15B has 32 Barak...

John

It is pure fantasy let me make wiki page of 30k ton super cruiser :rotfl: I would take those with grain of salt. Most likely destroyer follow up of P-15b IMO will be based on p-17a. A stretched version IMO so we can finally get rid of Ukrainian turbines. Will be about same length as P-15b but could ...

John

andy B wrote:still wonder if its for auto engagement against sea skimmers as well as Vikad. does carry stgr right?

Yes there is one located on top of smaller mast.

John

srin wrote:At 4:37, what is it to the right of AK 630 ? Is it the FCR for the AK ?

Looks to be an EO that’s not STGR which guides both the guns and Barak.

John

A homegrown design could be more economical than the French, Italians and Spaniards selling us their gold-plated Mistral, Juan Carlos, etc. which were all over 20K tons. A smaller LPD based on the VC-11184 could be more affordable especially when you don't need to paid a premium for phoren "ex...

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