Bharat Rakshak

Arun_S

Are the yields being calculated by you in anyway tied to the value of POK-1 yield as Sikka et al. seem to have done? Thanks S All that I am saying is the experienced P-wave at Karnal will be ~20 kt. I left to ARC how they did the measurement and methodology, and assume they were accurate. As one ca...

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ShauryaT - not quite. It means that if Arun is correct then S-2 had a 20KT yield and S-1 had a 27kt yield instead of its planned 45kT. It still means the FBF primary for S-1 worked. What happened after that is still unclear. The gap between the way DRDO seems to have read things for S1 and S2 and t...

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------------Added later ------------ I never paid much attention to S2 Pure fission weaponized bomb yield issue, and took BARC's claims on that front at face value of 12-15 kT. Now with new data points that I have uncovered (and confirmed) something else that I will share later, but in the mean tim...

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NPA's is getting wet dreams, thanks to R.Chidambaram and friends covering up truth from Indian Aam-Aadmi. India's nuclear power a 'myth' By Dean Nelson in New Delhi 19 Sep 2009 India's status as a nuclear power has been described as a "myth" by the scientist who carried out its controversi...

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Nuclear weapons are the only entry to the High Table. The recognised nuclear powers are the ones who run the world. It’s a club that abhors newcomers or gatecrashers. In 2 sentences the author makes it unnecessary to read the rest of his garbage. Japan and Germany, despite being widely hated for ki...

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Should also note here that Chapter 5 of Ashley Telllis' book (published in 2001), accurately surmised that there was no FBF. Clearly, the Indian photographs released of the test sites suggest that some sort of detonation did take place in the shaft where the thermonuclear device was located, but th...

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Unfortunately based on newly uncovered information that BR-Agni page is dated and require significant overhaul .<snip> From what I know now from multiple independent (public and private) sources, there is no FBF weaponized. Does this mean that the pages were designed with information from private s...

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\quote]="ramana" S-2 was pure fission and is stated so many places. [/quote Wasn't it also stated that this was a weaponized version of the POK-1 device? How does a <10kt alleged fizzle produce a 25kt yield? [/list] S2 was weaponized version of the basic design from Pok-I. Of course the P...

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Worth full reading: Prostration as high strategy Aditya Sinha First Published : 19 Sep 2009 11:51:00 PM IST Last Updated : 19 Sep 2009 12:07:21 AM IST The High Table. In India, this refers to our holy grail: the place for those nations that run the world (similar to the high tables at Oxbridge where...

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csharma, I think they are sure that the 15-25 kt pure fission component of those bombs will work. The 60-80kt output is post boost (tritium or LiD). Both fission and boosted-fission types that were tested worked. What is the estimated weight of this puppy? BR has it around 500Kg (with a comment: As...

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Right now checking is in progress but I am not relying on a single source at all. Sanjay, you are earnestly trying to figure out, in current controversy bare minimum (Or should i say median) where India is at the moment. I do know from where you are getting this 100 - 300 kg mark. Now if you like t...

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True Gerard. Which makes one wonder why he didn't come out at that time and say, "Wait a minute! Why are we rushing into this deal without establishing our Credible Minimum Fusion Deterrent?" Surely Arun_S here could have used his help at that time when he was fighting a lone battle to sa...

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Gagan wrote:MMS should ensure that before he demits office, India has CMD, a weaponized proofed TN, K-xx SLBM with TN MIRVs, the third Arihant class is in the waters.

Wishful thinking. If wishes had wings, Pigs will fly first.

Only unbearable pressure will move MMSingh to right action.

Arun_S

I see no reason why the GOI or BARC/DAE/RC cant come out and say that the TN was less than successful and we are sorry for not communicating to the nation for security reason. There is no shame in accepting the fact that they did wrong in the past and they were sorry about it , every one comits mis...

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Much currency is being given in the media, needlessly, to whether Brajesh Mishra took a voice vote or not. This is not the crux of the matter. What is far more important is that Mishra concedes there was a dispute regarding the yields and that he accepted what RC, Kalam and other big guns have said...

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I recall Air Chief Mehra's words as he explained to me how Brijesh Mishra (the NSA) had no leverage (helpless) to command R Chidambram to do what he wants him to do.

And some one else from Pok-II vintage telling me how babu R.Chidambram would even intimidate PM Vajpayee.

Arun_S

No voice vote over result: Mishra http://indiatoday.intoday.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&issueid=111&id=62328&Itemid=1&sectionid=114 On why the government did not conduct a sixth nuclear test in 1998 to clear the doubts, Mishra said it was not necessary as all five ...

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In 1999 and 2000 I took R.Chidambram's claim of 42 kt for S1 and 15 kT for S2 as Brahma Satya and analyzed the effect of seismic interference pattern on Azimuthal plane. Becuse one explosion was 3 times bigger than the other, the interference pattern on Azimuthal plane was not as impressive. Thus it...

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Posting in full because it has additional information: Dud bomb was made a success by govt diktat http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/62314/Top%20Stories/Dud+bomb+was+made+a+success+by+govt+diktat.html Dud bomb was made a success by govt diktat New Delhi September 18, 2009 The government is choo...

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So the Indian Nuclear bomb is a 25 KT pure fission free fall bomb deliverable by the MKI / Mirage 2000 / Jaguar. This is the only proofed & weaponized nuclear weapon india has. A few of these are also atop prithvis and the Agni 1 & 2. I am not taking any FBF weapons or scalable 50 - 150 KT ...

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NRao: My reading of that first sentence of the passage "The fission bomb" refers to the fission component of S1. That is the only way it makes sense to me along with the rest of the para or it does not make sense. added: is 25 meters a small depression? That cannot be: The fission bomb {S...

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There is no doubt there was 27 kT yield from S1. Arun_S, if the yield from S1 was 27KT, then how come the shaft of S1 was not destroyed? saala, kutch samajh nahi aa raha hai. I am totally confused :-? Same reason why small earthquakes do not leave ground disturbence at epicenter, becasue teh explos...

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If there was crater formed on surface of the S1 shaft, the A-frame and shaft on the surface would have been as thoughtly destroyed as the A-frame in S2 test for which pics are available and can be seen. Thx Arun_S. However, that answer makes the situation even more dicey. IF I understand the discus...

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http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9858/clipboard01az.jpg Correct. In reality the cavity is many "cavity diameters" away from the bottom of the crater. There is loose earth in a vertical chimney shape that projects down from bottom of the crater towards the cavity. (it may or may not touch ...

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\quote="NRao"] IF I understand the discussion, S1 did produce 18 +7 +2 = 27Kt? With that kind of thud, there should be a crater? BUT, there is no crater (dust blew high and settled down). So, was there 27Kt at all? Or, actually, even 1 KT? /quote] This is where ramana's completed thud rea...

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cook off a 150kt device and seek secondary confirmation from russian siesmic detectors. if it fails, announce a open ended series of tests until problems get resolved That is what a free and sensible person at helm will do. NPAs will publish their own 'studies' but who cares? once the indian and ru...

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Arun_S, On second thought, these tunnels might be more useful for perpetual storage of our 'white worshiping' leaders. PS- Every nuclear power has dug more than a few holes that were never used, so nobody can really claim to be surprised. My sources tell me tunnels for next round of test have been ...

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Nope, I am compromise nothing. I stand by my statement. It is not the question of your stand. What reason necessitates to bring these type of discussion or state these things. What is the point ? One amongst many purposeful and pointness statements by the gentle participants on this thread, dependi...

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Even the 8 KT Smiling Buddha resulted in a Crater. I guess the shaft was not too deep. Arun_S is this the difference? http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1061/clipboard01al.jpg Pls see this BARC paper , Fig-4 for what is a cavity. It is a hollow cavity that is left where the nuclear device was em-plac...

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My sources tell me tunnels for next round of test have been ready for many years. Arun, are you not seriously compromising security details of India. In whose interest you are making such statements ? You claim, you are not working on behalf of NPA. But your statements shows may be you are. Pls edi...

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There is nothing to substantiate that fear ; (public source or private). The 17 kT FBF worked as charm. Becoz, Santhanam said so ? If there is no credibility on BARC, how this alone be doing good. Will anyone feel any more comfortable if I said I have access to Chidambram and all his friends and de...

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A little bit of thought would tell whoever made the above post about Khetolai residents being asked to stand outside, that asking people to stand OUTSIDE during a thermonuclear nuclear blast that may very well vent, is an incredibly stupid thing to do. Nuclear plumes rise to 12,000 feet and anyone ...

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Re Arun_S ... ... .. He also refers to 30m crater for 25kt fission bomb and NO crater for TN bomb. I think he is still saving some lungis and not telling what was the designed yield of TN but only referring to claimed yield of 50kt for TN which he saying was not achieved. I think the editorial erro...

Arun_S

ss_roy wrote:Gagan,

Not all islands in that chain are worthy of preservation. Surely, an underground weapon test on a 200-300 m long island (that is at least 50 km from the nearest populated island) is not a bad idea.

My sources tell me tunnels for next round of test have been ready for many years.

Arun_S

S-2 was pure fission and is stated so many places. Wasn't it also stated that this was a weaponized version of the POK-1 device? How does a <10kt alleged fizzle produce a 25kt yield? S2 was weaponized version of the basic design from Pok-I. Of course the Pok-I was a pure fission device with a huge ...

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It seems that BARC was pretty confident of the shaft and that it would not vent. Would that not imply the top of the shaft and the A frame would survive? It will be same state or worse as the S2 (15 kt subsistence crater). ----------------------------------------------------- Now it sounds like 25 ...

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A little bit of thought would tell whoever made the above post about Khetolai residents being asked to stand outside, that asking people to stand OUTSIDE during a thermonuclear nuclear blast that may very well vent, is an incredibly stupid thing to do. Nuclear plumes rise to 12,000 feet and anyone ...

Arun_S

As an aside - I find it amusing that 27kt is exactly 60% of 45 kt I think I stated that many pages earlier. You will also be amused that 45 kt is 60% of 75 kT that Shri K Subramanyam was banking on ! Now what does R Chidambaram owe the 1.2 billion Indian citizens? Or conversely what 1.2 billion Ind...

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ramana wrote:Time for a survivor type vote on ourselves.

Serious !

Arun_S

To me what is more serious than the fact that the TN was a dud was the attempt at covering this up after the fact. While I don't like to use the word treason very much, what else can we label such people? Would they have loaded these devices onto an Agni III knowing they would fail? Can there be a ...

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