Bharat Rakshak

John

vishvak wrote:This is not about its weight, but it does create a gap in battlefield in desert environment - just as any other missile would.

No but we are comparing its desert performance to a man portable missile that is half its weight..

John

Singha wrote:javelin have gora chamra so benchmark can be lowered.

The missiles' are not of the same class Javelin is the half weight of Nag which is latter's biggest drawback. Javelin itself is considered too bulky for urban warfare.

John

the Sylver A70 can also provide it if the euros fund the aster30-tbmd proposal. Even so Aster 30 has not been approved for export and Barak-8 should have similar TMD capabilities. What is interesting would be if UVLS for Brahmos are modified to carry twin pack AAD missiles (one of the reasons i was...

John

On DF-21, US shouldn't and it hasn't ignored the threat as a hyperbole. That's the prudent way. India should be very concerned because PLA could easily use it on one of our carrier battle groups to show it to rest of the world. Japanese flat tops are equally susceptible but for the crucial alliance...

John

India always gets Russian weaponry a notch above that of the Chinese.An excellent method of keeping your enemy at a tech disadvantage while charging him for it too! Thus the Russians sell the Chinese Sunburns,but not Yakhonts,the BMos equiv.Their Kilos have inferior sensors too.Remember,the Russian...

John

ABG built a couple PCV for CG in 3-4 years, which are about the size of P-28.

John

^ I really hope that is true (fingers crossed). What is the opinion of the resident experts? I would take what Spiri says with a grain of salt they simply speculating based on arms transfer. P-28 doesn't even have a fire control radar for AshM. The helos will carry anti shipping missile. How do we ...

John

Thought you were asking the Nimitz, for Vikramaditya the range would be drastically cut at max speed/speeds greater than its cruising speed. I would guess greater than 25 knots the vessel range would be no more than 1000 nm.

John

Keep in mind unlike Nimitz a conventionally powered carrier can operate at top speed for only short duration. How long? For 20 years... Does this mean that Vikramaditya would not be able to perform any meaningful combat operations till 2015 (or possibly later? Not sure if i follow you what does Kol...

John

Keep in mind unlike Nimitz a conventionally powered carrier can operate at top speed for only short duration.

John

Nah, Stick to the DRDO solution, with budget cuts, the last thing we need is more money being thrown into things which we are currently progressing in. For P-75I, I would rather we mass order the the Arihant Class with AIP propulsion. If Arihants's design proves to be effective during sea-trials, t...

John

Can you point out my overestimation? As mentioned earlier by the time K-4 or Agni are modified for stabilized naval platform it would take years not to mention i don't think the existing Subhadra hanger is large enough to accommodate either. IMO is much better alternative to simply mount the K-4 ca...

John

John, None of them are deployed programs. Only Brahmos and Dhanush have are deployed and proven programs. You are overestimating DRDO, Considering at the pace at which our development programs take. Even anything as simple as naval K-4 mounted on Rajput DDG will take decade to see day of light, by ...

John

As mentioned, all alternatives are a long way. Nothing stops Navy to get a VLS Ballistic Missile. So, why not put an Agni -1 on ship with rail launch (minus the rails) kind of arrangement? It can be converted faster wrt K-4 and Dhanush's ship stabilised launcher can be adapted. Shourya and Brahmos ...

John

So Japans sub fleet is nowhere what used to be Japs need only a little bit incentive to build up on its sub force and for Japan to achieve 'strategic depth' what better than to have an equally well armed Indian Navy ? I think better than Australia deep down (sic!) IN is better suited to contain the...

John

US-2 acquisition has been discussed for a while but this part irks me India has reportedly clarified that it is reviewing the Special Chemicals, Organisms, Materials, Equipment and Technologies (SCOMET), thereby placing the Shinmaywa US-2i as a dual civilian-and-military item. India has accepted the...

John

the APAR radar which is the closest analogue in size and look weigh around 2t per face. unless I am mistaken the aperture of the mf-star in pic above looks bigger than the APAR pic http://img29.exs.cx/img29/5664/DeZeven_2jpg-2.jpg IAI has it as 1.5 tons each it could thinner than APAR. http://www.i...

John

so the multi-function radar is approximately the same height as the top plate radar (must be due to top weight concerns). I was hoping for a taller mast and increased radar horizon like the type 45s The mast actually looks enlarged to support the MF-Star radar compared to what we have with Delhi or...

John

Even mathematically, I cannot understand how an initial budget of 1.6 odd bil USD after 225% increase in cost becomes 1.8 odd bil USD . The initial allocatement was around 2500 crores for Shivalik and 3500 crores for P-15A. As i said earlier it should cost about the same as P-17s+Barak 8 from what ...

John

Haha will see but to be accurate currently the cost is currently around ~800-900 million. I could be wrong. But, here is one link The major indigenous warship building projects of the Navy running behind schedule are Project-15A, Project-17 and Project-28. The cost escalation in these projects has ...

John

chackojoseph wrote:John,

Its generally known approx 225% increase in cost. $500 odd mil a piece bloats to that.

Haha will see but to be accurate currently the cost is currently around ~800-900 million.

John

I think you meant to say P-15B (30k Crore for 4 vessels)? We won't know finally tally for Kolkata but from what i last heard it is around 800 million/each. P-15A is 1.8 bil $ each. Funnily, with an order book of 65 billion $, MDL shows 2 billion $ turnover per year. Only two boats in construction w...

John

Can someone please explain why the f**k will 6 conventional diesel subs with AIP and Brahmos end up costing us nearly $2 billion each?! How is such an absurd amount being bandied about and how on earth is the MoD or the IN able to justify such a ridiculous amount for a diesel sub? P-15A is $1.8 Bil...

John

but life takes it own turns. their B-team looks like couldnt do it quickly enough while the A-team got assigned to david sling and arrow3 No surprise here Israel's biggest threat is Katyusha rockets and chance of limited ballistic missile strike from Iran as counter response to any israeli strike o...

John

Also click on the image in the article that has good & accurate diagrams of all 3 missiles. Akash weighs 720 kg & goes 25 km. AAD weighs 1275 kg & goes 25 km. Barak-8 weighs only 276 kg yet goes 70 km. Barak 8 is also smaller 4.5 m vis a vis 5.8 meter Akash & 7.3 meter AAD. Allowing...

John

What exactly was wrong with Trishul? I would think there is enough core competency to risk a revival of that missile. Even after the kinks were worked out Trishul doesn't have vertical launch capability, i believe what was proposed was boxy 8 cell launcher for the navy for Brahmaputra compare that ...

John

Austin wrote:^^ Obviously I am talking about medium range type of Aster/Barak-8 for close shot the ESSM and RAM are fine systems

ESSM is medium range missile not point defense system and in terms of performance is between Aster 15 and Aster 30. ESSM size wise is similar to Barak-8.

John

^ over land yes. but they need a long range ALCM/ASM hauler to better their old H-6 badgers + YJx/CJ10 combo out to the blue water belt. Tu22m3 is anyday more survivable than their H6. they are just being pragmatic - its not state of art but with new ECM systems and refurbished airframes should be ...

John

Vivek K wrote:BK confirms that a fool and his money are easily parted. But China bought the assembly line jour the TU22M3? When?

They are not dumb enough to waste $$ on a aircraft which even the Georgians had no problem shooting down. It is cold war relic...

John

I quoted the most recent cost in my post ($4.9 billion) not the original quote ($2.7 billion). And unlike the Vikramaditya purchase, this includes long range radar, CIWS, missiles and associated command & control system. And given that its aircraft complement is twice as large, design far more ...

John

Why not use Hellfire we are getting with Apache order for this purpose?

John

The tube launcher seems more of a temporary solution, a missile launcher would allow more versatility and simplify maintenance.

John

What is key in the article is that for ALH twin missile launcher that can carry PARS-3 is complete which i assume can also be fitted with Helina.

John

that navy article is a not accurate. the Shang class SSN would be primary carrier escort, while the FFGs will sanitize the general area of enemy submarines and AAW DDGs provide the SAM umbrella. nothing wrong with CODAD except maybe top speed. Well 054 will not be able to accompany the fleet for an...

John

Austin Thanks for the link, the 5th looks great. More composites than the 4th? I share your point on the importance of Brahmos as a missile and a JV, but only the MKI will be able to carry 3 of them, at least that's the plan. FGFA is aimed to carry 2 of them, 1 at each internal wingstation, while th...

John

6 Prahaars and 3 Brahmos will carry the same 1 tonne payload with greater accuracy and stealth. Well it's not the same, Prithvi has much higher terminal velocity than either missile. Along with the fact Brahmos costs 3mill+ which is about as much as a Prithvi though Prahaar should be much cheaper t...

John

Pragati http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/186072243-indias-surface-to-surface-tactical-missile-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QdSJyZ8hBHiP54XxrsNBcHY3qgxwWwBIx%2bTSHOHOmkPe40i8kvwFVO05koB9kHlvlQ%3d%3d Compared to HIMARS it certainty seems to pack more punch gran...

John

It may not be possible with Akash, it has to be fired with a direct path to the target so it would requires the launcher to able to traverse 360 degrees. Having it enclosed in launcher adds weight and reaction time.

John

Nirbhay is hot launched look at that launcher it is essentially a truss structure and not a canister. There is no place to trap gases for the cold launch. It is essentially a pressurized canister i thought the 2nd launch was supposed to be test in that configuration? Perhaps i misread it. If so it ...

John

Also aren't GLCM hot launched? where as Nirbhay i believe uses cold launch mechanism and is housed in canister. That would add additional weight and size to the system. For example the canister for Brahmos weights around 800 kg.

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