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by RayC
11 Mar 2010 11:16
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Small Arms Thread
Replies: 4653
Views: 1495238

Re: Small Arms Thread

This will be of general interest as to why the US Army is looking for weapons that are effective beyond 300m. Increasing small arms lethality in Afghanistan: Taking back the infantry half-kilometer by Major Thomas P. Ehrhart, United States Army, 72 pages. Operations in Afghanistan frequently require...
by RayC
11 Mar 2010 08:13
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

Any reasons found out by Shiv Aroor or Shukla as to why Arjun has been put on hold?

Has it really been put on hold?

I did not find it on the news electronic or print.

If it were, then surely the TV channels would go all guns blazing.
by RayC
11 Mar 2010 07:47
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

just the fact for the gurus like u compare & check out MBT concentration from akhnur to bhatinda.... in terms of their operational deployment U might get the answer... Desert is just one of the area. Without discussion the issue because of obvious reasons, yet the u/m issues should help. How fa...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 22:58
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

err berwal This was not about derating. If it was then the Russians would have said under xyz conditions - and since the desert is our main area its meaningless to tout a 1000 HP engine which cannot produce that?? sirji with you logic, MTU/ DRDO says 1400HP engine... does it also give u hw much it ...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 22:50
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

Kanson, If you understood why I posted the CDM link, then I would not have to explain to you. I am sure you can understand that it is not the UAV that is being highlighted, but the process. I posted that to indicate how things work since from the debate one got the feeling that quite a few of us ar...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 22:49
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

You can home make AK-47 and mot M-16. hence AK-47 proliferates. I would not know. I am no gunsmith. I only know is that if an AK 47 can fire inspite of hard conditions, where the M 16 can't, that is a plus point and good enough for me. I want something that can save me and not something which is a ...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 20:15
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

Kanson, I don't think you have to adopt an offensive tone if someone does not toe your line of think. When someone get hot under the collar, it is sure indication that he has lost the debate! I am sure you know that. If you understood why I posted the CDM link, then I would not have to explain to yo...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 19:14
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

I'm afraid I don't quite catch your point here. Are you saying that because (in your perception) some Americans don't admit to being defeated in Vietnam, you find yourself unable to believe figures of the M1's protection levels? Seriously Though this could be OT, but since you asked. To be frank,ye...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 15:14
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: C-17s for the IAF?
Replies: 3924
Views: 741887

Re: C-17s for the IAF?

If you see the kind of US equipment that is on offer, anyone would begin to wonder about what exactly was the underlying motive of the americans. This is true only for US sourced equipment. It's not usually applicable for sourcing from other countries. It would take a han on a one way mission, carr...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 14:52
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

There are pictures of the Georgia war and Russian tank burning. To put the balance tight, may I append these pictures? With due respect RayC, only the last image that you have provided is an M1. The first 3 are in fact Humvees and the 4th isn't even a land vehicle, it's the remains of what looks li...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 12:32
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

Sir, the question is not about which is perfect but as you yourself say, which is better. Our primary aim to ensure safety of our soldiers under attack and enough firepower at their hands that they can attack enemy mbts from farther away and with a greater accuracy that they can safely pick them of...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 11:35
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

^ The link to the forum you posted only re confirms what we have been saying for all this while , Abrams provides a level of crew protection which ensures high chances of survival against enemy tanks (T-72 family ) and other infantry anti tank munitions , the losses in IRAQ were due to huge IED min...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 11:27
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: C-17s for the IAF?
Replies: 3924
Views: 741887

Re: C-17s for the IAF?

I find it interesting that every foreign purchase is linked to Us global strategy.

India has no strategic interest?

We are a puppet on a string?

China's aggressive posturing is nothing to us?
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 11:13
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

^ The link to the forum you posted only re confirms what we have been saying for all this while , Abrams provides a level of crew protection which ensures high chances of survival against enemy tanks (T-72 family ) and other infantry anti tank munitions , the losses in IRAQ were due to huge IED min...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 11:03
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

Lastly, an ex COAS, an Armoured Corps officer, who I met at an Army gathering, was asked a ponted question by me since this debate was on. What is his opinion about T 90 vs Arjun. He said that T 90 is a good tank and Arjun was a Mark I. Whatever that means! I think, you should have really asked him...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 10:57
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

all tanks are burning infernos, given the right anti tank weapon! not the same The T series will cook off and without blow off panels, ammo inside - it is all over The M1 and others have blow off panel, with ammo seperated by heavy steel so even if penetration occurs it will blow out - thats reason...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 10:41
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

There are pictures of the Georgia war and Russian tank burning. To put the balance tight, may I append these pictures? http://rense.com/1.imagesG/1058786246_jpg.jpg http://rense.com/1.imagesG/1057228495_jpg.jpg http://rense.com/1.imagesG/1057239484_jpg.jpg http://rense.com/1.imagesG/144_jpg.jpg http...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 10:33
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/200 ... pment.html

Arjun Tank Disaster Part II: Development years and Arjun’s first fight
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 10:17
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

I don't know if this OT or not. I comment since it has been debated so far. I have a few issues for consideration: 1. I saw a post that indicated various tanks the world over and how in a short time, they developed from prototypes to operational. We could compare the same with our product. I will al...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 09:57
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

[ Once very senior officer of IAF attended a BR meet and said that he put up a proposal for high tech sensitive project to IAF chief and told him that if we want it then we must fund it. So I think this message slowly going down to IAF that if they fund it then they own and control it. Defence proj...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 09:53
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

I don't know if it is OT, but the since the debate is hot and thick, this link will give some insight to issues that happen. I am sure it will go a long way for those who wish to know how things work in defence procurement and development so that a correct perspective can be taken without accusation...
by RayC
10 Mar 2010 08:04
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Small Arms Thread
Replies: 4653
Views: 1495238

Re: Small Arms Thread

ArmenT, In the mid 1800s before the revolver became popular, there used to be a large caliber pistol for personal defence in India called the Howdah pistol. It fired a massive round for a hand gun and was used for travel in jungles etc. http://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/antique_guns/purdey_howdah/2006...
by RayC
09 Mar 2010 11:26
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: The Trash Thread in the Trash Can (Use 4545 to Merge Posts)
Replies: 1207
Views: 223448

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

I am saving this post for Jagan.

<rest snipped>
by RayC
09 Mar 2010 10:12
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: The Trash Thread in the Trash Can (Use 4545 to Merge Posts)
Replies: 1207
Views: 223448

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

And why should he not? He raised the issue, didn't he? because you don't seem to care about facts or data anyway. the details are there in the very first post of this page, which is your own post. chacko's article that you have quoted. you haven't even bothered to read it before quoting it ! :shock...
by RayC
09 Mar 2010 09:58
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

negi wrote:Sir Ray I wont quote my father for he is still serving , moreover he won't be too pleased if he comes to know I post here . :lol:
Don't worry.

We in the services are liberal.

Even if you post, he could not care less.
by RayC
09 Mar 2010 09:56
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

^ Who is complaining about change in GSQR , the point is the timeline of 35 years needs to be taken into consideration keeping in mind the changes to GSQR which were being made in as late as 1987 (Jai Ho indeed ). :lol: I have tried to draw an analogy with USA's M1 Abrams programme keeping in mind ...
by RayC
09 Mar 2010 09:36
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: The Trash Thread in the Trash Can (Use 4545 to Merge Posts)
Replies: 1207
Views: 223448

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

Rahul M wrote:negi, why even bother ?
And why should he not?

He raised the issue, didn't he?
by RayC
09 Mar 2010 09:30
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

What's wrong then having INS Delhi (HMNZS Achilles) which did a marvellous job in the Battle of the River Plate? It is a great ship and I have been on it. I agree it is not a Naval thread, but since your father was in the Navy and since many of my relative were too, I thought a naval example would l...
by RayC
09 Mar 2010 09:21
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

^ I don't see why we keep bringing the 35 year old figure for as of today neither is the GSQR 35 year old nor is the Arjun both have been changed umpteen times to cater to IA's requirements , if that 35 year figure indicates any thing it is the sorry state of affairs as far as India's maiden MBT pr...
by RayC
09 Mar 2010 08:23
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

To be fair to all, here is how the GSQR and changes evolved. The first draft of Qualitative Requirement (QR) was prepared by Armoured Corps Directorate and discussed with Vice Chief of Army Staff (VCOAS). The first General Staff Qualitative Requirement (GSQR) was issued in August 1972 as QR No. 326 ...
by RayC
09 Mar 2010 08:13
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

Why there is a change of heart for Col. Ajai, the answer lies here. Seeing is believing. Let me ask the question back politely, have you rode the Arjun tank by 2005/6, and fired live rounds as other officers done here? If so how could you say so strongly, others are giving empty statements as you t...
by RayC
08 Mar 2010 12:57
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: China Military Watch
Replies: 3944
Views: 1358432

Re: China Military Watch

China, Pak to hold military exercise in summer China and Pakistan will conduct a joint anti-terrorism military exercise here this summer, the third such operation between the two countries, the Ministry of National Defense has said. Top military officials of the two countries have already started d...
by RayC
08 Mar 2010 12:51
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous
Replies: 4126
Views: 854572

Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Wing and fuselage The wing design was radical. Most jet fighters of the period (and to this day) used a swept-wing or delta-wing planform. This allowed a reasonable balance between aerodynamic performance, lift, and internal space for fuel and equipment. Lockheed's tests, however, determined that th...
by RayC
08 Mar 2010 12:27
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous
Replies: 4126
Views: 854572

Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Notwithstanding, the manner in which the issues are juggled to indicate knowledgeable posts, the MiG 21 is simple. Delta Wing. F 104 was the same. An excellent aircraft but named widowmaker. Mig21 was called the coffinbox? My post on delta wing is adequate to explain. This was also told to me by IAF...
by RayC
08 Mar 2010 12:20
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Replies: 3520
Views: 825256

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread

rohitvats wrote:
RayC wrote:BMS is in the pipeline and I believe commercial agencies are also working on it.
Sir, can you provide link to source of the above information. Thank you.
I would love to, but it was very personal an info between someone who served with me and now in the civvy street.
by RayC
08 Mar 2010 10:29
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Small Arms Thread
Replies: 4653
Views: 1495238

Re: Small Arms Thread

RayC saab, This open tip bullets are hunting bullets or controlled expansion bullets. So they justify using in counter terrorist operations. If this was in own lands its one thing but to do so under UN resolutions is another thing. We will soon hear more about gray rules regarding enemy combatants ...
by RayC
08 Mar 2010 09:04
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: C-17s for the IAF?
Replies: 3924
Views: 741887

Re: C-17s for the IAF?

Tovarisch RayC, Since you know some russian (русский), maybe you should read the Antonov website in the original русский. :) Dos vedanya These days it is no longer Tavarich. It is Gaspadeen. Spokonoi Nochi! ;) :mrgreen: Same way as in China it is no longer Tongzhi. In fact, Tongzhi nowadays means s...
by RayC
08 Mar 2010 08:55
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: C-17s for the IAF?
Replies: 3924
Views: 741887

Re: C-17s for the IAF?

Here is the USAF details of C 17

USAF details