Bharat Rakshak

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I understand that. But the threat is different. Is France investing in penetrating the A2AD fence being developed by China? That is the threat the USAF, USN, ROKAF, JASDF and the IAF are looking to penetrate. I am a big supporter of the rafale and absolutely love the aircraft, but it would be highl...

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I find the post hardly readable but to things to get into consideration: -US rely on specialized aircrafts for EW (Prowler, Growler) to let other "classic" fighter jet entering a defended combat or they use their stealth assets. -France cannot afford to get specialized aircraft for EW and ...

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Brar_w, The F35 has limited EW coverage as it will use its radar for the job which limits its operational use. I can't say about the T-50. Your understanding of EW is a bit outdated. Raw power is much less relevant for lattest generation defensive EW jammers like Spectra: modifying (or canceling) th...

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you don't understand the mentality of most indians here. they feel refale too expensive sunddenly,not because refale become suddenly more expensive than they thought,but because they suddenly find refale can not manage its duty any more,which is to defeat PLAAF. Which aircraft could defeat PLAAF ? ...

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I believe the cost issue is overhyped. Yes it will be expensive but like every fighter jet deal with indigenous manufacturing and ToT. That's not a scoop that the negotiation committee will suddenly realize at this stage of the deal and this is not specific to the rafale. Under the same conditions o...

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French defence minister heads to Delhi with MMRCA on the agenda Rahul Bedi, New Delhi - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly 27 November 2014 He will hold discussions with Manohar Parrikar in New Delhi on 1 December, in what will be the new Indian defence minister's first meeting with an overseas counterpart....

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http://sputniknews.com/military/2014...015247459.html NEW DELHI, November 27 (Sputnik) — India is not planning to cancel the deal on purchasing French Rafale jets despite earlier media reports that it would do so if France refuses to deliver Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia, a high-ranking sour...

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Reasons for price escalation are irrelevant. What matters is, is it worth $25 billion? That's $200 million per Rafale. Would one Rafale deliver greater net combat capability than three J-10Cs? Or two J-20s? What if it goes up against six J-10Cs or four J-20s? [Keep in mind that China can afford to ...

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one 3) again why India would not be able to develop the rafale on its own : -It has the intelectual property with the source codes . -...And India manufactures virtually everything which gives quite an intimate knowledge of the bird. Look BAE or Israelis...They upgrade aircrafts which are not their...

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This is the weirdest point you've made so far. - The Gripen is costing Brazil over $150 mil each. - The Brazilians found the Gripen far cheaper than the Rafale. Just how does this help make the case for the Rafale? Only goes to provide basis for the reports putting the MMRCA's costs far in excess o...

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Vivek K wrote:It would have made more sense to buy technologies that we were lacking in from the French to enhance the LCA. Why are we so scared of our own capabilities?

Have you read/watched IAF meeting on the LCA ?

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OK, let us reboot. 1) No one has (ever?) argued that the Rafale is a bad plane, in fact pretty close to 90% or so would agree that this is a great plane for the IAF. So, that is not a topic for discussion. That the IAF needs more planes *now* is a given too, not a point for discussion. OK? Those tw...

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You are trying to cut the deal as per your wishes. - You are mixing ToT and R&D knowledge transfer. It takes 5-7 years before prototypes are real fighting machines and Brazil will be learning and having access to the R&D data from SAAB. There is nothing that sort of will happen for us. - On...

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Some points: - It might be 50% cheaper during initial buy but during the lifecycle costs will be 3x times expensive. - We will get the tooling to build and maintain the planes and I am damn sure we will get no R&D knowledge. - Getting source code, does not mean transfer of R&D knowledge but...

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Again, for the nth time, the rafale at $20 billion is not worth it. Simple as that. Does not matter what was said years ago. All I can agree with is that the IAF needs planes. That is about it. DOes not even matter what was agreed upon. If 20 billions is too expensive for India which aircraft could...

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With Russia willing to sell SU35 and other advanced weaponry to China how can it be considered as a reliable Indian partner ?

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Rafale deal may be signed by Dec Indian government’s contract negotiation committee (CNC) for the medium, multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA), Rafale, has been given the draft contract document by the French aircraft manufacturer, Dassault. A top level Indian Air Force (IAF) source, while confirming ...

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Garuda report: "Excellent, excellent, it would take more than an hour to talk about it," the reaction of the IAF chief after a flight aboard a Rafale speaks volumes. Efficient, impressive, ergonomic .. here are the words used by Indian pilots. Delighted to fly on Rafale, they were unanimou...

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Interview with Colonel Jerome Bellanger, Commander of BA 113 "Commander Antoine de Saint-Exupery," Saint-Dizier. [...][MRO:] We are organized according to a logic of activity to achieve and not a logic of availability to have [1]. It is therefore to be able to have the right parts at the ...

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AF can’t afford delay in Rafale deal: Air chief [...]In an exclusive interview to HT, Raha said, “It will not be appropriate to make any changes in the process. The current government has set the pace of work and things are moving fast enough on the fighter deal.” The IAF chief refused to set a dea...

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LCA-Navy Not What We Want, But It's Ours": FONA "It may not be what we want, but it is our own aircraft," says the Indian Navy's Flag Officer Naval Aviation (FONA) Rear Admiral Sudhir Pillai on the LCA Navy in an interview to FORCE magazine. He was asked how effective the LCA Navy wo...

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An old article on vayuaerospace posted on mp.net (extract) :

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* Which is also why when someone says that the Rafale has "Data Fusion" it is nearly equally laughable Nrao, do you know how sensor fusion works ? You don't need sattelites for This capability. Actually This capability was praised by IAF Just like in the swiss evaluation which dors not be...

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Even though sharp differences of view exist between IAF and other government organization (see LCA roundtable) there is one strong consensus which is emerging : Independence . Be it ToT from a foreign country or R&D to develop an indegeneous aircraft the core idea remains to be as independent a...

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Viv, China is out of reach as far as military is concerned. You will not be able to replicate their capability anyway. Quality over quantity is an old debate and as far as I know MRCA is here for quality not sheer quantity. Another platform could make for the qiantity, Hence the tejas was a differen...

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Nrao, ToT associated with MMRCA will certainly help to catch up in many areas (it will prevent from being left behind at least) but to go beyhond that and become truely independent for designing an indegeneous next gen fighter the solution lies in deep reforms of indian organizations governance. You...

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Nrao, On ToT with the rafale it will not be enough to become independent for a next gen fighter jet IF Indian organizations do not reform themselves...I say "if" because ToT can work fine if appropriately leveraged. There is still an advantage with ToT as it helps mastering current technol...

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Investing on indian R&D is fine but it is like throwing money by the window without appropriate governance. IAF operationals are fed up of waiting and don't want to make another risky experiment with tejas or AMCA, especially with China on the rise. They are also fed up to have programs imposed ...

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Having read all the inputs from the roundtable there is not a single chance that Tejas, Tejas Mk2 or AMCA could replace MRCA. What a mess. I laught thinking at the so called unamed experts in the bureaucracy article posted here who are so far from reality. It is also interesting to read that the FGF...

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Some gems from the roundtable regarding the LCA and which can be linked to MRCA (see dedicated thread for complete review) 1) LCA as expensive as MRCA: And the last issue is cost-related. Cost of LCA and cost of MMRCA cannot be compared because in cost, it depends on what elements you’ve included . ...

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Very relevant remarks Nrao which I agree with. The issue of absorbing ToT and the fact that India is still dependent on imports is spot on. Which is also why Dassault or other companies do not always fear ToT as the time to absorb it technology will already moves on. But the core issue lies in India...

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Viv, ToT is here to teach and close the technological gap if correctly taught and leverage. It works in many countries why not in India. Selling Technology Transfer For DCNS, the export market includes selling technical skills to foreign navies to design their own vessels, with courses at sites such...

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viv, if Nrao would have quote the article fairly, you would be able to read the next paragraph: For the Mirage 2000D, the planned upgrade will address the obsolescence of the radar, add a gun to the targeting pod and integrate MICA missiles in place of Magic missiles, Mercier says. In addition, Thal...

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If Il76 availibility was not good enough, the same rational should apply to Su-30 mki: Go for the more reliable MRCA option instead... Also what you continuously discount are the other consideration than value for money through US FMS. ToT, independence of use (F35), indegeneous manufacturing and ot...

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Mirage 2000D upgrade was supposed to be 700 million for around 80 aiframe but the scope wad limited ...all ressources to the rafale in France. As for the rafale MRCA price I believe that the price tag around 20 billions is indeed expensive but not surprising when you need to : Pay for the aircrafts,...

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Double post

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In 2011 the mirage 2000D was supposed to be upgraded which will not be the case finally (white book is from 2013). The process of retiring the mirage 2000 fleet will start around 2020 as described in the 2013 white book but it will not be a one shot process. To anticipate the mirage 2000 retirement ...

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Mirage 2000D are not being upgraded and would be obsolete by 2020. Even the white book anticipate their retirement around 2020. Besides 225 is a notional figure and nothing prevent an overlap of capabilities for sone years. As already dicussed and proven, the 4th batch will be achieved entirely whic...

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The 5th tranche is positive for exports because it means the program is still on which is better than the contrary. Funding is not dependent on export as 1.1 billion in development has already been granted to cover all the specs of this new standard. White books number can change but it is highly un...

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Wrong again. 4th batch will be executed entirely and a fifth batch ordered. Official sources hereabove or and reposted below (mindef and white book) With the retirement of mirages, rafale is the only option available to make up the 225 figure. Hence the mindef confirmed that a 5th batch will be orde...

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