Bharat Rakshak

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The stealthy future design seems to be influenced by the US Navy's Zumwalt class DDG when a 'land attack' platform was in vogue. The Zumwalt concept is hugely expensive and the USN is trying to figure out how best to use it. The ships are not even in service I think. Zumwalt was in dry dock getting ...

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Regarding stern launching of small boats from ships, there is hope! The Bharati built CG interceptors have a stern ramp. Maybe the IN can learn something from the CG? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbrY0bwU0AANDDa.jpg and https://www.newskarnataka.com/storage/uploads/moreimages/Launching%20ICG%20Vessel...

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The good news is that IN force levels of commissioned ships dipped to 131-132 or so and have now climbed back up to about 133 with the delivery of LCU L-54. But force levels will stay at about the high 130ish/ low 140-ish ship mark for many more years because of all the decommissionings that are due...

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Maz Any news of Project-28A and Project-18 DDG? Do these even exist? I have come across the P-18 next gen DDG on some of the other fora on the interweb. Some of the defence journalists have also referred to the next gen DDG in news reports. I think MDLs boss also referred to it in one of the Defexp...

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Prasad, would you have any contact with the Delhi Defence Review outfit? I need a high rez pix of that GRSE poster. Can you help Sir? Uh i shot all those pictures :) I'll see if I have a higher res shot. Don't think there is but will look. Prasad, you have done a great job capturing the images of t...

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Very insightful comments, TSarkar, JTull. Reliance Naval not doing as well as one would expect from what I gather. Besides the law suits between Ambani and Nikhil Gandhi cannot be good for business and must be affecting operations adversely at Pipavav. It will be interesting to see when the NOPVs ar...

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Prasad, would you have any contact with the Delhi Defence Review outfit? I need a high rez pix of that GRSE poster. Can you help Sir?

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TSarkar, thank you for your insights. While full standardization does not appear to be feasible, perhaps there's a lot to be learnt from Damen's model of using modular hull sections to rapidly construct variants of a base design as in the SIGMA concept? Yes, stern ramps for ships' boats is the way t...

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The P17A is already running late. As of now, it looks like 3 or more years for the last hulls. But those involved will maintain that everything is on time until they miss the initial milestones. No surprise there. My hope is that after the initial start up delays, both yards can adjust the build sch...

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The P17A model and the image in the GRSE future projects poster clearly shows that the RCS of the actual design appears lower than the earlier renderings. One industry source thinks it has to do with operational feedback from from the IN regarding the enclosed boat hangars on the P17 Shivalika. The ...

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BobV, try Flickr.

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SSridhar, please watermark your pictures ASAP.

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Arshyam, nice work with the pix. Thank you for sharing. Presumably you got to see the ships and planes and tanks doing their thing....?

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Kakarat, I am looking forward to seeing your pix. pls contact me via email. thanks

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It is normal for spares to marked up very steeply. Local industry has to either build or substitute the critical stuff.

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Nice work SSridhar! Thanks for sharing the pix. Interesting kit on display.

Any idea if the army is going to order the 8x8 WhAP or it still undecided?

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Karakat and others with pix and brochures to contribute, lets plan on doing a page on Defexpo for BR. It has been too long since we did this sort of coverage.

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Thanks and enjoy the show.

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Karakat, thanks a lot. Really looking forward to seeing these pix. Can you use a google link or dropbox fr the unedited imagery?

Please email me at mmazumdar at hot mail dot com as soon as you see this msg.

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Also, pix of the new P17Afrigate model at MDL and maybe GRSE will be most useful.

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Defexpo goers, I have a request: I need pictures of the wall posters with current and future project at the various shipyards. And the models/ info sheets displayed by Reliance Naval Engineering. Fro example, Cochin shipyard has a poster for the new shallow water ASW craft as well some others. simil...

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I hope the IN doubles the ongoing 7 ship P17A order to 14-16 ships. At one stroke, this will solve the numbers problem with major surface combatants and leverage economies of scale. At the same time, an emphasis on acquiring many more SSK and AIP submarines will pose a serious sea denial capability....

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If you are concerned about the PLA Navy, just look at what China's Coast Guard is inducting:

Source: East Pendulum @HenriKenhmann

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"As per my understanding, the 3rd boat is built to original short design of INS Arihant. The second boat is being stretched" Thanks for the reply. I am trying to get my head around to why the powers that be chose to build some boats to the 'shorter' variant and some to the longer - and I d...

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"the third submarine was built to original specs and finished faster than second stretch submarine...."

Is the 3rd boat built to the longer design or the shorter design? In other words, does 'original specs' imply the stretched design?

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Can someone confirm this. An ad for recruitment to the IN,features pics of 2 Delhi class DDGs.,with one interesting detail.Instead of the 4 quad Uran launchers on either beam on either side of the Shtil and RBUs launchers,there are instead shown a new single multi-missile launcher with two tiers of...

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Do not hold your breath for the LPD deal to be signed soon. Let us celebrate when the deal is actually signed - whenever that may be. Nothing moves according to conventional wisdom in the Indian MoD. The IN keeps slipping behind other significant players with each passing day.... it is sad but true....

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Indian Navy Fleet Strength as of today; 02 Aircraft Carrier* 11 Destroyers 14 Frigates 18 Corvette (Missile) 05 Corvette (ASW) 10 OPV 24 FACs (including Super Dvora) 102 Interceptors 06 Minesweepers 16 Submarines** 05 Mini Submarines - unconfirmed if still operational 01 LPD 08 LST 04 LCU 04 LCM 04...

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One can also argue that new tech from TKMS will certainly be beneficial. Still, there should be concerted effort to actually absorb tech instead of merely assembling platforms and sourcing "indigenous" items of dubious provenance. Think sticker transfer technology here.

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The IN is engaging in wishful thinking when it talks of a 212 ship navy by 2027. Maybe 2047 is a more likely date for getting those numbers given the large numbers of ships that will have to be decommissioned by 2027. At best, it might get to 150-160 ships by 2027. Maybe the IN top brass should get ...

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Viraat still operational as of May 17, 2016. See https://twitter.com/CaptDKS/status/732593393176449024

VRT sailed on May 17 as part of a group of WF ships that sailed during CNS Dhowan's farewell tour of the WNC. CNS embarked VKD for the sea phase.

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No specs but from I gather, Sanket S is for small ships like missile boats.

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IN has ordered 28 or 29 Lynx U2 FCS for installation aboard ships.
Abhay, it seems is getting the Lynx as well as Sanket S EW system. This ship has morphed very considerably from its original guise as a 1241 PE! Anyone have recent pix of her?

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guys, please stick to naval matters on this thread. the interesting IAF discussion can be moved to the proper thread. thank you!

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Bodhi, thanks for sharing. Did you mean to say Kalvari or Khanderi? AFAIK, Kalvari, the first Scorpene is at naval dockyard awaiting sea trials later this month. The EKM (Kilos) are getting old now and while Mid life Updates (MLU) help somewhat but that is merely a crutch for a bigger problem - name...

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P21 = Project 21 I did not ask about the 'objects' being built at Vizag. I gather locals can see S2 sortie from time to time. I think just about everyone wished for the the Chakra and S2 to be part of the IFR but it was not to be. Sorry, no news about SW ASWV. I am guessing that a design has not yet...

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Exactly! Imagine a dozen or sixteen P-21 family missiles coming at a target or a clustered group of targets. Four 1241 RE missile boats or a combination of 1241 RE/ Khukri/ G force/ Kashins can launch them. If the IN wanted to do a low end and hi end mix of missiles, then I guess a few Brahmos and/o...

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Raghava, the fuel delivery system was modified on the P-21 (and I presume the missiles' cruise profile too). The converted missile mimics a supersonic (>Mach 1) sea skimmer. The IN still has substantial stocks of these powerful legacy missiles so they are used as targets for CIWS like Baraks and suc...

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By my count, the IN has 47 ships and submarines on order plus another 80 odd platforms approved or planned. The big question is when will all these ships be built?

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AJ, it looks like the Elta 2238 AMDR to me. But I could be wrong. Would be curious for inputs from others on the forum.

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