Bharat Rakshak

anjan

One does not spend gazillion rupees and time to get a SF guy and then send him back to work witha Shukla :) imagine 6 months of probation - just to call himself a basic SF. then months of advanced training, ops etc - and then send him back to parent unit?? maybe in the new era of 1 month probation ...

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Nope, it is an example of "Open fly, open fly" i.e. if you want Unkil to cut off TSP, then first you cut off TSP. If not, the complaint looks hypocritical. Yes this is completely ridiculous. The over-the-top hypothetical equivalent would be if the US urged restraint and "aman" e...

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The former Army Chief was heavily criticized by certain members here for speaking about the Army's position on Siachen and other disputes to the media. They claimed he should have only spoken to the government and then kept his mouth shut. The new Chief seems to have done exactly the same thing. Wi...

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Taking out a chief, even if replaceable sends a message that there will be a price to pay, hence deterrent. Some things are worth more than money and risk though both need to be managed. Did taking out al-Mussawi deter Hezbollah? Heads of organizations are often replaceable people. Especially when ...

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If India has such powers then what logical reason exists for it not to have been used to take out 26/11 masterminds until now? After all, if it's covert, then it's deniable, no? Given that the organizations are heavily trained, equipped and probably manned at places by personnel from Pakistani gove...

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You would have to see it to believe it - the way the soldiers treat the cops. would tend to believe the cop's side of the story in general. No cop would dare to just take a soldier to a police station and beat him up. The police make a habit of beating people up. It just so happens that in their po...

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http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/Jammu%20Sec/Army-jawans-beat-up-cops-ransack-railway-station/Article1-928347.aspx Led by a lieutenant colonel, around 60 uniformed men allegedly ransacked the Kathua railway station and beat up six policemen while abducting one on Monday evening. The incident ...

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Visiting minister from China to skip Amar Jawan Jyoti Gen Liang, whose bilateral meetings with the defence minister will begin on Tuesday, will not be paying homage at the war memorial for the unknown Indian soldiers who lost their lives in the wars fought by the country including the 1962 Sino-Ind...

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Historically only cowardly democratic governments have the stamina and balls (yes, really) to destroy the violent thugs out there. Who gets classified as a violent thug? Were the colonial powers violent thugs? Which side of the equation was the US in Vietnam or Afghanistan? What's a democracy? Was ...

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Again, not trying to compare, but even for cases of deliberate murder of civilians, our jawans /policemen/coast guard/BSF etc., do not face any prosecution. Let alone accidental killing or trigger happy shooting. So in comparison, both would look ugly unless you want to split hairs on degrees of ug...

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I wouldn't wish an IT industry on Chennai. All that cost of living increase with little to show for any improvement to the city. No thanks. B'lore can have it all. I work with the HCL folks out of Avadi and Vadapalani on an everyday basis and having graduated out of a college from the city know lots...

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the chinese re-education and confession extracting system is apparently called Shuanggui....people who run afoul of the CCP are run through this mill http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/world/asia/accused-chinese-party-members-face-harsh-discipline.html?_r=1[quote]One former propaganda bureau officia...

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Gotta love the sunglasses :p Although jokes apart, in a lot of pics even of exercises the infantry are not wearing bullet proof jackets.only place I've seen them wearing those are in the J&K. Any reason for that ? My guess is that in a high intensity conflict the mobility tradeoff is not worth ...

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If the Police says there is no case then this is like an FIR perhaps. My understanding is that without an investigation none of the information is verified. It is primarily a record of whatever is reported to them. Which might explain why the report is somewhat confusing. I'm not sure how a barber w...

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I go by media reports. Sorry, the media may have it own negative aspects. But I for sure would not take a stand that Army is 100% perfect, and the remaining folks in the country are 100% bad, corrupt people. I for sure, am not going to see any official report in this case, because I am not authoris...

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Haha, Anjan, an IPS officer is Additional Superintendent of Police for only the first 2 years of his (post training) service. After 4 years of service, he becomes an SP (equivalent to a major, regardless of the badges of rank they wear). But let that be. Even an inspector has lots of chamchas shift...

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I don't think you actually understand the sahayak system at all. He doesn't travel with the family or even the officer in peace stations. Sir, I have got family friends in the forces. Let us leave it at that. Also I request you to read up earlier posts when some members have clearly written down th...

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Even if the Sahayak comes to officers house to assist the officer, he will interact with his family. If someone is inclined to misbehave - or molest - as the story goes in this case, he can very well do so. I have two questions here. 1. The Sahayak very well knows the strict discipline in the Army....

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2 is a distorted version of the Official govt line. And the idea that we shouldn't withdraw because it's ours is a deeply flawed argument. We don't guard every meter of our country. We don't defend every inch of the desert either. Next people will say why not do that. The argument is made that the P...

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How is the CO guilty of dereliction of duty? Things don't come to fists over nothing. There must have been undercurrents exposed by this incident. And if as CO you find yourself being beaten by your own men then something has gone really, really awry. The CO is a father figure. At the least the man...

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Authentication of the ground line position alone does not help. My understanding is that phased withdrawals preceded by AGPL authentication is the currently enunciated postion of the Indian Army and the GoI. If a treaty is violated you retaliate in kind. You cross the IB. You abrogate IWT. Whatever...

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Anjan: no one is belittling the sacrifice made by the IA in defending Siachen. Its a strawman argument to point at people who want IA to stay in Siachen & state that they are belittling the sacrifices made. When I said "Siachen is not a problem for India", it meant that any problems t...

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IMO while this "India has no problem in Siachen" line might have some propaganda value it is incorrect and belittles the immense sacrifices that the men who serve there make. The issue is that retaking the place after the inevitable Pakistani betrayal would cost far more. If Pakistan truly...

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In fact looking at Kargil, even though I am critical of the decision to stay only on our side of the LoC, it established one fact very clearly. India shall uphold the sanctity of the LoC, achieved post Shimla agreement – at ANY cost. So, there is credibility behind this statement. It means, once an...

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When I visited folks in the A/F or Navy I would always wonder.." how come they dont have any help", they too need focus on their stressful jobs rather than "mundane" duties.. BTW, IN and IAF officers do have a pleathora of uniforms, their life is also stressful and they too have...

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^^ It's a system that is often decried as colonial, but evokes considerable nostalgia among children of Army officers who grew up thinking of the 'Bhaiyyas' as members of their extended family. I wonder as to what kind of families would ask their extended relatives to do the house hold work these b...

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His media compulsions are tempered more by the opportunities that may be availed by gul panag and hence the support to the nefarious express paper, "the journalism of courage" was it??. Having known both of them, that's not the sort of people they are. Gen. Panag if you recall had a run-i...

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Also how is slowing down traffic on highway going to help? Mechanised infantrymen are driving Maruti 800s and cannot get off the road? :-o Because apparently they were planning a coup while staying on their tank transporters. Shekhar Gupta probably thinks they are force multipliers. I have to say p...

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I am wondering, with the current state of affairs and status of our polity, IF a military coup did happen, how many here would support it. No intention to start a rumor and suggest anything, just trying to understand the thought process of various people here. The Indian Army can find great support...

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nothing like a good fat lie about a potential coup leaked by our babus to keep them as lords of the universe sure a Delhi cop is going to stop a mech unit at a checkpoint :rotfl: :rotfl: No, Delhi pandu will let them go after receiving Rs 500 "welfare-fund" at the checkpoint. I just imagi...

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The story says more about our netas and babus than it does about the Army. Units planning a coup don't go back when they're politely asked. Edit: And that "additional checks in place" is BS. If an Army Commander really decided to go rogue and could convince his subordinate commanders, then...

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Pl.Anjan,I too have my own opinions and respect those of others.I'm no spokesman for the Cong or UPA-2,far from it.I've always maintained that Gen.VKS is an honest man,but made mistakes due to poor judgement and I maintain that his media campaign,especially the style of it,was unneccessary.He was a...

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I agree with him on some points,neither the chief nor the DM are paragons of virtue,honest men though they may be. As said many a time that the chief's many lengthy media interviews and lengthy explanations,the first for any COAS of the IA were unbecoming of a COAS,whatever the justness of his caus...

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Serving army officers are CBI investigated routinely, as a matter of fact. Particularly in relation to offences purportedly committed while on deputation and in cases of corruption where many civilian agencies are involved. The Army or any other defence service does not have wherewithal to complete...

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More specifically Corruption in the military. :evil: :twisted: :( I am wondering the resistance in IA regarding indigenous products -- is it really due to corruption amongst the imported ones and not to the quality of Indian products itself. Indian products do not get massive kickbacks and influenc...

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The writer is preaching anarchy. Why the formalities should be ignored? Isn't the government all about formalities. One of the successes of AKA has been able to work with formalities and streamlining the procedures. If Antony goes beyond formalities he should do it in exigencies, like national emer...

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Back to the letter ,"top secret" to the PM.It was written after Gen.VKS was shafted by the GOI/MOD over the issue of his DOB and smacks of revenge.It must be ascertained how many times the good general brought up these very same points with his DM and the PM earlier,not at the fag end of ...

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I don't get the hullabaloo over the leaked letter (even though I'll vote for PMO as leaker). It's not like adversaries aren't fully aware of our shortcomings. It's next to impossible to hide most of the things mentioned there. So who are they hiding it from? Us? The people? They are so blue in the f...

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3.The COAS too has proven himself to be from his track record always "slow on the draw".He allowed his DOB issue to drag on/was comfortable with it until he realised that he would not get his full term and then sprung the issue on the nation through the media.As long as his cpmfort level ...

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In that NDTV session people kept bringing up monitoring of higher officers. My understanding is that the IB already monitors all senior officers. It's not exactly a secret in Army circles. They have them by the short and curlies and that's kind of why VKS like episodes don't usually happen. It would...

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