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Now People have been asking why MMS and INC are sell outs. Here is an example why, when India is reeling under power cuts. Many Industries have to generate their own power, Chip manufactures have run away because of the power situation. It shocks me that India which is deficient in power is supplyi...

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Surinder the author is probably guilty of dramatization at best and bluffing at worst. Every single offensive weapon supplied to the Pakistan army was automatically assumed to be available to the Kashmir terrorists because India had no illusions about the separation between Pakistan army and mujahi...

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Salman Ghumman was taken in to custody on December 21 by Immigration Department officials at Merlynston Station, just days after he was quizzed by authorities about phone calls made to Pakistan, NATO attacks, his movements and why he was in the country. Ghumman is a common Jatt Sikh last name in In...

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Last time, such maal-e-ghanimat [acquired with consent] was accumulated, it went up in a puff raining on unsuspecting people of the twin cities for days together. This time, they want to covet maal-e-ghaneemat and no one knows how it will end. SSridhar, who do you think was responsible for that inc...

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ISI from big leagues? :rotfl: Any agency of the "big leagues" seem to have a) analytical division b) action division. Now a) is what distinguishes an intel agency from a goon squad. In ISI case, a) seems to be just a mullah reading aloud from a book and it is only about b) we hear about a...

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Vivek_A wrote:
surinder wrote: Like they sold the US heli to PRC this year near Kakul.
What heli? You mean the tail section?

Yes the debris of the Heli near abbotabad, near Kakul.

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Yes Ghost Wars is well worth a read, and is a useful reference as well. Totally American perspective of course (why should we expect any different?), but Coll pulls no punches. Books such as these set helped to get the Americans thinking about Pakistan slightly differently than they used to. BTW, C...

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Sirjee, If it is ghost wars you are talking about, mobi and epub versions are available from the usual shady sites. :) Somehow, havent got upto reading and enjoying the PDF versions of these books. Like the print version better. :) Case in point is Mitrokhin archive which i plodded through in PDF b...

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Steve Coll's book is terribly engrossing. Some tidbits from it: ..... Just couldn't resist after reading your post and have immediately ordered this book on FlipKart. Should be nestled in my hands within 2 days! Sum, I would love to hear about your impressions. Is there a segment of BRF that would ...

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Wonder what does it say about the mettle of our agencies given that we seem to have held up pretty well against this big league rogue agency. It says good things about us & our tech int capability. But espionage is more than this, though. It is also a matter of formulating a full-fledged strate...

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Brihaspati,

Great to read your posts after a long time.

Very accurate about Congrez and its use of TSP. The main aim of partition for congrez was to traumatize the troublemakers.

What is MB?

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Steve Coll's book is terribly engrossing. Some tidbits from it: I always wondered why the Russians never struck back at TSP duirng the anti-soviet participation of TSP in A'stan. Apparently, Russians did lot of covert sabotage in TSP proper. More so in Karachi. During the 80's, ISI's Akhtar went ove...

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As for KSA, there were many other countries that helped Pakistan in 1965 & 1971 like Indonesia, the UAE, Jordan et al. Why, the US is the single important reason for Pakistan's wars and terrorism against us and the British created Pakistan. Today, we have cordial relationship with all of them. ...

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I am reading Steve Coll's Ghost wars. Interesting tidbits about TSP. What do people here think of that book?

It says that in 1971, KSA provided air defence for Karachi.

Interesting that we support them against the Israelis. Pathetic actually.

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Just suggesting that there may be no alternative to kayani and hence the consequential damage to the civilian government. Another extension for kayani seems embarrassingly out of the question. The serving paki Chiefs oAS often suffer from the messiah complex. Chetak - If Zardari can be President ev...

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http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/1971/Dec16/Surrender1.jpg I bet you a hari dollah paki rupee the Sardar behind is needling the second paki general. 8) I have seen this photo a million times, but never noticed that utterly gleeful Sardar at top left. I am pretty sure that the short lady in front of th...

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I was reading the wiki page of 1971 war ... So, the bloody ummah did step in to try and save the H&D of the Pakis and our Air Force took on the ummah and still emerged victorious :D I was ROTFL on reading about the Jordanian F-104's :mrgreen: Joke is on us, actually. India has al through been a...

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Ghori did not give up and attacked Prithviraj Chauhan again. Defeat is Shame! Neither did the Taliban accept defeat in 2001. They continued with their war. The only choice for the 1$l@m1st is to continue the war! That is why, it is not sufficient to defeat an 1$l@m1st power. You have to crush it be...

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The tons of money that is going to be spent on the Afghan warlords could have been used to develop the backward regions in Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh, which India claims as its territories

what is wrong with this point of view?

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There is unnecessary self-congratulations on the A'stan-India deal. Western nations, OK mainly Khan, need funds to keep A'stan in control. You give some phook to India and it caughs up a billion or billion and a half. This just makes the job of the Amirkhanis easier. These generous funding from Indi...

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You should look at Gurcharan Das's "India Unbound". He makes an interesting point when he says that it was Gandhi who took India's freedom struggle out of elite living rooms of India where it existed as a dinner conversation piece and made it into the struggle of every person in India. Th...

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If India can pass a law that India doesn't accept Chinese stapled visas, that will be great. But, as Shiv pointed out, we will be preventing Arunachal and J&K residents from travelling to China while letting other citizens. Thereby, we will be discriminating some of our own citizens. Logical fa...

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We will have huge problem with our people who work in West Asia. I doubt those countries will say that they can change their visa issuing policy because of the feud between Inda and PRC. Rather they would say this is their visa policy and it is upto GoI to decide what to do with their citizens who ...

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GoI declares that stapled visa is illegal for entry/exit to/into India. So if you travel out, you can never come back. Advertise this, distribute this flyer outside PRC embassy and decalre a jail term for anyone getting this visa and trying to fly out or sail out. If you do slip out, then no entry....

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shyam wrote:You can not put blanket rule like this. Many of the West Asian visas are add-on papers - similar to stapled visas.

Why not?

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Is this so difficult to have a counter answer to the stapled visa? GoI declares that stapled visa is illegal for entry/exit to/into India. So if you travel out, you can never come back. Advertise this, distribute this flyer outside PRC embassy and decalre a jail term for anyone getting this visa and...

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And what are those options for "the brave and courageous"? It is easy to be cryptic. Abhishek Babu, I don't mean to be cryptic to appear wise and witty. In fact 90% of BRF is full of basically discussing those options. I could not list them, even if I want to. I am sure you have read them...

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...and the ones killed are martyrs for a good cause...we can never forget them...and the best way to do so is not to let these barbaric animals come back thru' the back door in the name of 'aman ki tamasha' Suppiah Babu, Martyr is defined as a person who willingly goes and sacrifices his life for a...

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That leaves a whole lot of people who might favor option 2. Option 2 is, in my view not a serious option as things stand. It is one thing to talk of balls and spine and courage. it is another matter to contribute to war directly Shiv, for the brave and courageous, there are many options---more than...

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In the end, what did Jinnah & Co achieve except divest India of these rabid elements for which of course, we have to be grateful. Grateful you can be, but giving 1/3 of India's land, loosing historical cities like Lahore of ancient India, getting one million killed in 47 riots, 10's of millions...

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RajeshA, TSP is one of the few countries of the world which has two important borders, both of whom are disputed and both are unnatural. Unnatural = there is really no physical, historical, cultural reason for those lines to exist. These lines exist becuase of colonial shenanigans. The Radcliffe lin...

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One advantage which the marathas had but Sikhs did not was, the only enemy which marathas faced was mughals, where as the Sikhs contented with mughals and afghans at the same time. There were other factors as well: Marathas native land, and their area of fighting/occupation/wars were in areas where...

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I think that Vanity Fair article is worth including in the first post as well.

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Now think about Badmash agreement with Najibullah recounted by MKB in the Af-Pak thread! The modus operandi is neogtiate a truce of safe passage and murder you while you keep your part of the agreement. Saddam Hussein promised he wont kill his own son in laws . Then he ask his cousin to kill them ....

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RajeshA wrote: The key to India coming out of the Pakistani vortex, created and supported by the Wahhabis, Anglos and Hans, is to keep Pakistan preoccupied with one or the other grave challenge to its survival other than India.

This is a very good acronymn, the nemesis of India: WAH.

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My personal view is that the US ought to make that deterrent posture much more public while publicly forswearing any first strikes on the Pakistani arsenal in order to increase stability and stop this mushrooming of the Pakistani nuclear arsenal. Their fears of a non-nuclear US first strike are dri...

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If TSP-PRC have mutual defence pact, then does PRC attack Uncle for the drone attacks?

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I can't find the post mentioning the history of Pakjab area that locals never revolted aginst invading armies or something. So not able to quote. Anyways I will reply. If we go into the history of pre-partitoned punjab and areas surrounding it, we don't see any uprisings of the muslim populations o...

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Sum they buckle down early on to the Lodis, Mughal, Marathas, Ranjit Singhji and so on. Only we forgot that. I am often reminded of the line by Prakash Lal Tandon in his seminal book, "The Punjabi Century" on Lahoris: They are masters of bluff and bluster and exaggerated boasting when the...

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BO deftly ducked questions on Pakistan. Even after an event of such magnitude, he refused to say that he does not trust the Pakis. This indicates a reluctance to publicly implicate the Pakis, hence it indicates the continuance of the same old policies. The fact that OBL was found living close to Is...

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