Bharat Rakshak

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Originally posted by Daulat: is that because of the increased lethality of weapons deployed at a lower level, or the ability to call in big fire power when required in a more flexible way? or both? In the Canadian case, it's becasue we ran out of bodies and have to do more with less. However, no ma...

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Originally posted by RayC: ARMORED WARFARE: New Brigades Increase Combat Power -- Michael K. Robel Sir, This modification is radical ... for the Americans but the British and Canadians have been doing this for a very long time. Essentially, there is a push downwards from brgiade to battalion as the...

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Mike Robel is a lieutenant colonel in the Army Reserve, with 16 years of active duty as an Armor Officer. He served in the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment as a tank and cavalry platoon leader and a cavalry troop executive officer patrolling the very edge of the Free World along the border between Eas...

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YIP, If your OP-ED is intended for those well versed in Indian defence affairs, then my comments do NOT apply. However, I am not well versed in Indian defence affairs and somethings you've stated just doesn't make sense to me. 1) I've gotten the impression that the Indian civie leadership got a dire...

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Originally posted by Daulat:
did they not have all major nodes in control within 24 hrs? massive airborne insertion followed by armour across the syr darya...

In the middle of winter no less. One hell of an engineering feat.

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Gentlemen, I would like to point out a counter-model to the Western C4ISR domination of the battlefield and that is the Soviet/Russian central-planning model. The difference between us and them is that we train for every possible contingency that we could think of for an operation. They reherse what...

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Sir, I did not mean to imply any cut and paste at all, merely stating what the USArmy is doing, the problems they're encountering, and the solutions that they're coming up with. I am merely suggesting a guide as to watch similar developments within the InA. The InA, may in fact, come up with a whole...

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Hitesh, MARRIED! ...WITH CHILDREN! Whenever you get into these brainstorms, I get into trouble for not spending my 5 minutes free time thinking about them. Next time when you have these brainstorms, have a heart and ask something I can do from memory instead of going through my books. Number One Dau...

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Daulat, Phase I forces are those of the 15ABC. The exercises that I have seen lately includes air dropped jeeps armed with FIVE-OHs. I should mention that when these jeeps first appeared, they included a 25mm canon which since appearred to have been dropped. This gives the airborned troops a battle ...

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There are so many issuses here that it's hard to know where to begin. First, let me just identify the WZC forces. Phase I - anywhere from 6 to 15 air inserts of SOF type forces ranging brick size to coy size. Most likely these would be from the PLAAF's 15th Airborne Corps. Though corps size, they ha...

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Originally posted by nitin: Its not as simple as that...what if Kargil escalated? In that case- the IAF would have to make sure that they could count ie not suffer needless attrition. Pls note that initial IA wants were very risky and infeasible. They wanted only choppers! When the IAF did so nonet...

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Originally posted by ehsmang: Col Wyu, Did not understand you reply. What is so secretive/ special about telling all of us IA & IAF OPOBJ? more since you claim that IAF did not achieve its OPOBJ!! Let us all be educated. I'm afraid I am not the one you should be asking and the answer is already...

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Ntin, Crap happens (I personally know and you know enough of my stories to know that I've screwed up). But that's not my point. The measure of a good army is not when things go right but when things go wrong. And things couldn't have gone more wrong for the InA and they've lived up to that challenge...

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Originally posted by nitin: i think we are talking at cross puproses. i dont dispute that the desired outcome by IA- get evryone smashed without bayonet coming out- was hard to achieve and probably impossible. But from the IAF viewpoint- they did all they could and more so. As far as the CO would b...

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Originally posted by nitin: they recced constantly. no attempts made. they were running out of resources .. this wasnt an AB with runways and dedicated engr teams..it was a huge depot in the middle of nowhere which the PA was using to push in men and materiel. just remembered...ah amin who writes f...

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Originally posted by ehsmang:
Col Wyu,

What in your opinion were the IAF's OPOBJ ? and what were IA's OPOBJ ?

My apologies but I would have to decline your questions. That is a bit too much insight for the admins to allow, especially when I had acquire inside information.

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Originally posted by Rajesh: It's too bad that we don't have someone from the air force here to add their perspective. Playing devil's advocate, I would have to ask if the grunts are so successful and have a solution for every conflict, why the need for an air force? Please accept the following obs...

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Ntin, You're misunderstanding me. It doesn't matter what the PakArmy was doing after the strike. It matters what the InAF did to make sure their strike was successful. Remember what I said about our (ie NATO and Warsaw Pact) airbases and how we made at least 3 strikes onto that those things? Whether...

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Rajesh, The difference in the two statements is that the InA would NOT offer a battle of annhilation and thus preserve its force, and by extention, its combat effectiveness. The PLA Phase III Force would have exhausted itself in these little skirmishes without actually engaging in a battle of annhil...

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Ntin,

I'm going to ask you to think.

I want you to answer two questions.

How much actual stock did the InAF destroy when they hit the Pak supply base?

How often did the InAF tried to kill the engineers repairing that supply base?

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And a miracle happens here.

Even before the military actions begin, the PLA would have identified the unit that they want to destroy which may or may not include an InA relief force.

Phase II is supposed to shape the battlefield to fix and isolate the target unit(s).

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Phase I is recee by force Phase II is defining the War Zone (shaping the battlefield). Phase III is the battle of annhilation You let Phase I and II go by, you gave the advantage to Phase III. Stopping Phase I and Phase II will not stop Phase III but at least, it would deny the advantage of ground t...

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I've never been on the receiving end nor on the attacking end but historically speaking, lines broke during the bayonet charge while it has been taking fire for days on end. I was theoritically expecting a bayonet charge at the Fulda Gap was at the end of a Soviet prepatory bombardment. You know, tr...

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I use InA and InAF to distinquish between India and Israel. Call it a little quirk of mine but I do study more than India and Asia and thus, this is my system of keeping them seperate. Most people in my circle automatically assume Israel when using "I". Ntin, My distaste for the birdbrains...

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Originally posted by Arun_S: Originally posted by Daulat: the air lessons from kargil are mixed 1. IAF displayed air dominance, kept PAF out of the picture How is this a lesson? The PAF did not scrap Indain ants off any hill. Originally posted by Arun_S: 2. conventional attack in mountains is a was...

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Gentlemen, I view CS and WZC a bit differently than you do. These are doctrines, not operational plans, and serves as an understanding how how the InA and the PLA approach their battle plans. They are not meant to be battle plans themselves. WZC is not India specific. In fact, it is not even Taiwan ...

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Gentlemen, I realize that most of you have questions that you would like answer but at this point, all I can say is that we don't know. Until we see exercises and/or official documentation, we simply don't know what kind of TOE and deployment schema the CSBG envision. I can point to historic and non...

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Calvin, I would strongly hesitate to use Western examples on the CSBG. That was the mistake I made with the WZC's brigadization. At this point, we don't know what the rotos are. We have a few hints and a few non-Indian examples in trying to do the same thing but that is all. I'm not familiar with In...

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Originally posted by Rudra Singha: Daulat, not if you have recce assets (iaf, uav) revealing everything behind the hill. 155mm shells would decimate the 'mongol army' long before your rohan horsemen with the long lances reached that line. 3-7Cav in the Iraq War rushed so far ahead, so fast that the...

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Battle Groups are Land Force terms for a very long time, usually refers to re-enforced battalions of two to five companies of both mechanized infantry and armoured companies. There are also battalion groups which are either infantry or armoured battalions re-enforced with non-organic combat service ...

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I concur with the Brigadier, I had a whole series of answers ready before I stop myself from posting. I've made this mistake before in imposing Canadian answers to similar Chinese problems and the PLA took a whole different route. Currently, we don't know what the InA is thinking. All we know is the...

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As for the propaganda part, I do not wish to start a debate about what happenned but why does both sides believe they won Kragil?

One is a military victory. The other is a domestic propaganda victory.

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I don't think faster mobilization is a vital part of this doctrine. I think accelerated deployment is. You have to take things in context. Most of the articles are by non-InA personel speaking from purely a speculative frame of mind, some not even military. Mobilization is simply bringing a peacetim...

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Originally posted by Ashutosh: wyu, it seems this is the first time you are coming across writings by retired Pakistani military men. The one above is one of the more saner articles written by that gentleman. Happens in all armies, I happenned to have a very strong distaste for a few of my generals...

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Calvin, Your postings of articles by Brigadier (Ret'd) Shaukat Qadir does not reflect the very nature suggested by Cold Start, which is accelerated deployment, not faster mobilization (two very different concepts - the difference between imposing decisive force as opposed to bringing to bear overwhe...

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GOOD GOD!

PAKISTANI BRIGADIERS, IN A PROFESSIONAL THINK TANK NO LESS, HAVE NOT READ FM-3?!?!?!?!

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Originally posted by Calvin: Before we get carried away in the details, could we look at the bigger picture? For one, as a non-military person (unlike wyu, RayC and others) my comments are specifically not related to operational issues, but to strategic ones. In the case of Pakistan, the nuclear is...

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Originally Posted by RayC I did not mean that it will replicate the US doctrines or scenarios. I only suggested a study of the same so that one can in his own wisdom and understanding do a cut and paste. Sir, My apologies for not being clear. If Cold Start is not based upon FM-3, then it sure looks...

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Originally posted by Daulat: having reread the above analyses, i remain convinced taht cold start is a variant on WZC, but with more integrated air and naval force usage, and the all important red line issue We know the Chinese have read FM-105, the presuccessor to FM-3. I strongly suspect that the...

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Originally posted by RayC: What should the force structure be? If one is curious and one wants to guesstimate, one should read the US Field Manual 3 as also the 'Objective Force' including the Stryker Brigade. That would give some idea of what a force should look like. Obviously, it should be tailo...

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