Bharat Rakshak

Rangudu

Dr. Shiv, You're saying something similar to "I know I hit that person and it is illegal, but he was looking at me strangely and making fun of me. It is unfair that THAT is not illegal" Seriously? Your argument is also like Sunni extremists or those that killed Ahmaddiyas in TSP who say, &...

Rangudu

Dr. Shiv, I suggest again that you use Google-ji and READ the case facts. Ravi was charged with violation of privacy NOT for accidentally viewing his roomate having sex but for: (a) Deliberately setting his laptop to point to the roomate's bed (b) Watching the video with a third party (c) Posting a ...

Rangudu

Dr. Shiv, 1. Dharun Ravi shared a live feed with 3rd parties i.e. he broadcast it 2. Videotaping the other roommate's part of a shared room IS a violation of privacy and prima facie illegal. BTW, Ravi not just did it once but did it again. To use the hotel manager analogy. If the manager had used a ...

Rangudu

Sanku wrote:Why do some Indians start attacking India and Indians when the matter of discussion is/are issues in US?

It is absolutely appropriate if "Indian culture" is used as an excuse for anti-gay bigotry. Culture can never be an excuse for hate, much less illegal activities.

Rangudu

R man - I call homos screwing in a shared room while being visible to a third party as "public sex". Are you trying to teach me about US laws? So if a man and a wife have sex during honeymoon in a hotel room when the hotel manager opens the door for a legit reason (e.g. water leak), they ...

Rangudu

I dont think foreigners can judge this on Indian culture. Also foreign paradigm or western paradigm cannot be applied on Indian soceity to declare that "Some of the practices are just out of date today." Huh? what foreigner? I am an Indian citizen and I'm sure not the only one who believe...

Rangudu

BTW Dr.shiv,

What is this "Free sex" strawman you are raising? AFAIK, there is no law in the US that allows public sex. In the Dharun Ravi case, the alleged sexual encounter took place in a shared dorm room i.e. a private space and Ravi was not in the room at that time.

Rangudu

Isn't that the open fly torn shirt argument that Shiv reminds us all the time? And when the matter is Amercian society why bring in Hindus in India? Ramana The point is that the argument, "I'm going to do some bigoted or borderline illegal things because my culture is like that " is bogus...

Rangudu

Shivji, Culturally not too long ago in India some people used to be lynched for touching the wrong person and widows forced to shave their head and live a life of grief after husband's death. By your logic, if some Indian kid were to kill a white person and get away with it, that would be a perfect ...

Rangudu

Also, it is quite ironic that we see this much anti-gay bigotry in a thread dominated by discussion of wrongful conviction of anti-gay bias.

Rangudu

(wrt to Devesh message in previous page) : That's not isolated, there are quite a few in Gay community who has come out and spoken quite articulately that harsh punishment is not only unjust ( the event has already taken one life, and taking another's future will make it more unjust) but will have ...

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Ramana

We'll see about where the US ends up. I for one would have a back up plan i.e. be ready to find another greener pasture, but that's purely as a contingency. I'll surely tell my kids to have that option, but I doubt whether the change happens in my lifetime.

Rangudu

People are beating up a strawman here. I don't see anyone saying that the US is somehow a land of utopian fairness or without racial bias of any kind. The disagreement here, narrowly construed, is whether D.Ravi's trial and conviction was driven by racism against Indians and more broadly, whether th...

Rangudu

Rudradev, Shouldn't the right sample be ALL cases where the victim was gay and committed suicide because he was exposed as such? Also, if you want to prove racial bias, shouldn't you also consider cases where the accused is Indian and ended up with some sort of leniency? Shouldn't you at least try t...

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Amber G.

Thank you. I see the vague legislation further supporting the view that this was less about race, but about prosecution/state govt not wanting to be seen as less supportive of the gay rights groups

Rangudu

I've been too busy at work and home to follow the Dharun Ravi case in detail, but I spent some time over the weekend looking at it. My sense is that the "Hate Crime" conviction is completely unfair and bogus. Ravi should have been reprimanded for the violation of privacy but the pro-gay ci...

Rangudu

Pakjabis worshipping Abdali is an extreme form of Stockholm Syndrome.

Rangudu

anupmisra wrote:I like this Hasan guy. He has an earthy punjabi sense of humor. Lot of pent up frustration and anger in this guy. Watch his other discussions on U-tube and you will see.

What was his Punjabi quote on Abdali? That was hilarious

Rangudu

It's funny to see the word 'jalsa' used for the rallies in TSP. As SSridhar and others with colloquial Tamil knowledge may know, 'jalsa' in Tamil means something totally different, as in what happens between Unkil and TSPA Jernails behind closed doors

Rangudu

Has anyone read this report yet?

This sounds like one of those well researched take downs of TSP's hate filled education "curriculum".

Rangudu

TFT Once again, our great and glorious khakis have bitten off more than they can chew. With the US-Pak rift healed, deal done and all but announced, they're doing a rethink about some of their bargaining chips. Our mole reports that the Defence of Pakistan guys are going to be reined in, and their ...

Rangudu

X-post Everyone please read this detailed AP report on the builder of the Bali bomb that killed 200+ foreigners in 2002. The bomb-maker Umar Patek was arrested in Abbotabad a few months before Bin Laden was taken out. The above report says this about how Patek was able to escape to TSP. A police inv...

Rangudu

Everyone please read this detailed AP report on the builder of the Bali bomb that killed 200+ foreigners in 2002. The bomb-maker Umar Patek was arrested in Abbotabad a few months before Bin Laden was taken out. The above report says this about how Patek was able to escape to TSP. A police investiga...

Rangudu

ramana wrote:What org was the guy supporting?

Not explicitly mentioned but HuJI is what it seems to be.

Rangudu

There's a saying - "All models are wrong, but some are more useful than others".

We can all find exceptions and outliers to the REK model*, but it is still useful

* REK = Rudradev Enhanced Kabila model of the jihad time/space continuum

Rangudu

The best quote from the leaked NATO report:

"The Taliban are not Islam,” the detainee reportedly continued. “The Taliban are Islamabad."

Rangudu

Pork = pig meat. Any meat, beef, pork etc. has different cuts. E.g. Pork tenderloin = literally a cut of a pig's loins i.e inner thighs. The bone from that is obviously not eaten and therefore can be used for other things.

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Anujan

Sehbai's recent writings have nothing to do with the army. He has a longstanding personal enmity with Zardari, which is the driver behind his campaign against the civilians. He is still based out of DC.

Rangudu

The Mansoor Ijaz video has been all over Twitter since yesterday. It does seem to be him.

Rangudu

^^ Anujan,

Come on bhai - that was exactly the intent behind that Supreme Court decision. Although Gilani was the first intended target. They still want someone to turn approver so that they can nail Zardari with a legal cover.

Rangudu

With all the chaos in TSP, we better be on our watch in India across the country. Friday is the 13th and given the pattern, it and the coming 26th are high risk days.

Rangudu

Why do I call imran khan a lahori khan is because he is a Lahori (just like rest of Pakjabis) and so was his mother and is as much KHAN from his father side as the other defeated khan Niazi (Imran Khan's tribe is niazi) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._A._K._Niazi amir abdullah khan niazi who surren...

Rangudu

News of a Drone Strike at Miranshah, N.Waziristan...

Rangudu

Has anyone posted this article on Pakjabi caste make up and how that links to the "thinking from the loin" attitudes? My hypothesis is that the division of the Punjabi nation in 1947 produced a Pakistani Punjab that was heavily weighted in favour of the martial castes. The trading castes,...

Rangudu

ramana wrote:^^^ Maybe he is on his visit to get the 100% assurance for Mushy?

More likely some sort of tactical brilliance is about to happen - (a) Deposing Zardari with a judicial fig leaf or (b) 26/11 redux or (c) Upping the ante with Unkil

Rangudu

That drone news is from 2010

Rangudu

Shiv

GoI can appear secular without going out of the way to create fake Saffron terror bogies. What MMS and the Italian lady's chelas have done recently is beyond risible.

Rangudu

Shiv, What I mean by "popular narrative" is that previously that notion was solely used by Arundhati Roy types. But by MMS and his minions repeating that mantra and following it up with actual, on the record actions like the Samjhauta Express sham and filing of court petitions, criminal pr...

Rangudu

I agree with what CRS is trying to say here. Yes it is true that past governments, even led by so called nationalists like ABV, had sued for a false peace with TSP. But Manmohan Singh is an order of magnitude higher in terms of doing anything to downplay TSPA's terror war against India - both in ter...

Rangudu

Ramana has it exactly right. Siddiqa is NOT saying that Wahhabism is a sign of modernism. Instead, she is saying that in TSP, those middle classes that may look outwardly 'modern' i.e Western clothes, burger joint hopping etc. are the engine that drives the spread of Wahhabism and Deobandi mentaliti...

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