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RayC

Notwithstanding, if Arjun silhouette is too high, then it is an error in formulating the GSQR. As I can see, people still have not grasped the magnitude of the issue. The Army GSQR does not say that they want a heavy tank with a high silhouette. It is wrong to say that the GSQR was wrong. The entir...

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Drat! there goes my quota of chilly pickles I get from my relatives in Assam.

This variety will now not be available for domestic use since the whole crop will be taken away to make these grenades!

My sacrifice for the Nation!

RayC

This Gurdial Singh would not be Col Gurdial Singh who was the designer of the gun He was an Artillery man. And I don't think he would be alive by the dateline when India Today quoted him as being NOW in the DRDO . There is no shortage of Gurdials in the Armed Forces. And notwithstanding the saying, ...

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^ RayC Arjun silhouette (2.32m) is definitely smaller than the MBT-70 (2.43m) and Abrams (2.44m) . T-90's height is 2.22m (?) are people trying to say the obstacles or terrain in Rajashan and Punjab can only hide a tank measuring 2.22m in height but not Arjun which measures 10cm more ? :wink: This ...

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in Arjun vs T90, he said Arjun is too big to be hidden anywhere easily and is a sitting duck. T90 has a very low silhouette. He said the georgia war pictures were mostly of T72. we seriously need an emoticon for retching. Whatever for? Take an Avomin. Silhouette matters. Tanks for Tomorrow M3 High ...

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A TV report stated the bunker busting bombs have been moved to Deigo Garcia with the intention being Iran's nuclear facilities. On the one hand, Obama and Clinton has gone ballistics on Israel for building a new settlement on Occupied land for 1600 dwelling and so they have to placate Israel by remo...

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The critical issue is the Starter's Gun.

This Ready, Steady has been going on for a long time.

The word Go is what one wants to hear!

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First time I am reading this - and I should definitely ask Subra - whether Mi-25s were actually used in Kashmir at all ? Both 104 Sqn and 125 Sqn had some detailed websites out there for a while and neighter mentioned participating in COIN in detail. But wouldnt hurt to have a confirmation. Jagan, ...

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Self deleted.

Double post.

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kindly read the dates mentioned in the post. added later : it is likely that he would have retired by that time, am I correct ? India Today 1985. Means 30 years from 1955. Maj. Gen Gurdial Singh, who is now with DRDO as per India Today quoted. Something seriously wrong that it took 30 years to jump...

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In 1970s later half when I was in the AHQ, it was already being discussed about incorporating hydropneumatic suspension and it was based on the Swedish S tank - the first MBT in the world to incorporate hydropnuematic suspension. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Strv_103c_a.j...

RayC

Speaking of Gurdial Singh

The Col Gurdiyal Singh I have alluded to is not the Gurdial Singh mentioned.

Col Gurdial Singh was a Lt Col in 1955 and so if he is a Maj Gen now, then there is something wrong.

One does not take over 40 years and more to move from Lt Col to a Maj Gen.

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sum wrote: Ummm, we have actually used armed Mi-17s and Mi-25s in select operations in J&K.

Have we?

That is news to me.

RayC

BSF would be expected to fly transporters and helicopters alone. Any airfield of appropriate runway will do. They don't have to have C 17s or ILs. Smaller transporters would suffice for them. There are enough of disused runways that could be resuscitated for their use. The Auxiliary concept is ideal...

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The issues are valid.

However, I have not understood how the Western design or Eastern design change tank employment in war?

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Hari Seldon wrote:Errr, great.

Could we merge this into the police thread, pls?

Also, would be nice to highlight the salient aspects, comment and throw gyan a little more, on part of the poster.

TIA.

Valid.

RayC

The Danes could interrogate him, but not the Indians.

And the man even when exposed, the US failed to info before the Mumbai blast!

Birds of a feather flock together!

RayC

The reason, current premier does not know anything about economy.

So it is -

Row Row Row your boat gently down the stream,

Merrily merrily merrily merrily, life is a but a dream.

Christ, that shows how China goes!

RayC

I would be real surprised if so many defects would surface if it was to prove an equipment that has been rejected so many times for a variety of reasons.

It appears to be too juvenile to me!

I maybe wrong!

RayC

Vina, Valid point has been raised by you. Yet, at the same time, there will be a lot of people vociferously stating that one could have waited for the DRDO product rather than buying ex import. That takes me back to the GSQR controversy of the Arjun, which surprisingly was cleaned up but not merged ...

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Are you all aware about the Supreme Court directives in year 2006 in the writ petition of Sri Prakash Singh concerning Police Reforms? No. Do give a summary. However, the CJ has condoned rape wherein the rapist can marry the raped! Justice for you! Blind Men of Hindoosthan! Blind leading the Blind ...

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Indeed there is a serious requirement for reforms, but it will never come to pass. The police is the long arm of the political party in power, be ut the Centre or the State, extending their reach amongst the people and influencing them to vote in the right direction. The DIG's report on Mayawati's b...

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Gerard wrote:Col Purohit May Face Court Martial

I am surprised that none could detect earlier and well in time that this person was not being very military like.

RayC

Rather sad that the informed posts on the evolution of the GSQR and it progress through the decades seem to have vanished. There were some which were definitely informative and would have helped in posterity to analyse what went wrong or right once we got the official intimation on the issue of Arju...

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Heard of Lt Col Gurdial Singh? He designed the Gurdial Mountain Gun in the 50s which became the backbone of the IA. Now, he did not have scientific temper? I agree he was a Sardar and so you would attribute some other temper to him. I knew him personally and yes, he had a temper, scientific and oth...

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RayC sir, I don't know if you saw my post earlier in previous page, i am posting this again for your benefit. Rayc, I read again to understand. You said nothing wrong. You cannot visualize. You are bang on target with that. So, what does Indian Army do? Wring its hands and give up? If you look at o...

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So prove yourself that you(Army) have that scientific temper. Whos asking not to ? Heard of Lt Col Gurdial Singh? He designed the Gurdial Mountain Gun in the 50s which became the backbone of the IA. Now, he did not have scientific temper? I agree he was a Sardar and so you would attribute some othe...

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Guys, this is getting rather tiresome. For the sake of argument, could one of you in the debate please list (with sources of course) when the gsqr was given to the drdo, the agreed time frame for realising the product i.e the Arjun and when the next change in the GSQR was issued by the army. If the...

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I still await a reply that a weapon system was accepted on the first GSQR anywhere in the world or that such country stood still for 25 years.

That would be an education for me and I would be grateful to get educated.

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AS Puar, I don’t know how many times I have to repeat myself. My post is adequate in explanation and since I don’t find anyone refuting it, I take it that none can contest it because it is the reality. I am not too sure the tailoring example is quite the same as a necessity for a national requiremen...

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Dont take me wrong, thats why i agree with CJ when he mentioned Army lacks scientific temper. Every new addition,like you mentioned abt, Reactive Armour, is akin to creating a new project. I hope you heard abt block development. Every block is considered as a fresh project. So CJ is an expert on sc...

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I am not privy to foreign GSQRs, but I sure would like to know from those who are privy to foreign GSQRs as to where the first GSQR was the last one anywhere in the world!

And also that they sat pretty on the initial GSQR while their development agencies struggled for 25 years!

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Saar, I think you agree that my adding new GSQR, Army is expecting new capabilities in the Arjun tank. When the new capabilities are aimed for then it becomes a new product and its a new project. Even after the last GSQR made in 1990, Army continued to ask for modernisation as late as 2007/08 to im...

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CJ,

Do address my post.

I would be delighted to know where I went wrong!

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CJ or Chacko, Lets reply this: GSQR should be valid for all times to come if that is feasible. Yet, that is a pipedream in today’s rapidly changing geostrategic and geopolitical environment and the quantum jump of technology happening all around. .303 British, or 7.7mmx56R, is a .311 inch calibre ri...

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GSQR should be valid for all times to come if that is feasible. Yet, that is a pipedream in today’s rapidly changing geostrategic and geopolitical environment and the quantum jump of technology happening all around. .303 British, or 7.7mmx56R, is a .311 inch calibre rifle and machine gun cartridge f...

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Oh yeah, I have seen those types - condemned ones as well. The specific items I saw were camo print uniforms with OFB stamps on them on the revers. looked brand new to me. -Jagan I will be frank that what you say is possible. Given the shining example of illustrious leaders who accept cash garlands...

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chackojoseph wrote:Nobody said GSQR should not change.

The change of GSQR repeatedly (sic!) has been mentioned many a time. Maybe you missed them in your excitement. I had replied this earlier but that too must have been missed!

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I don’t think the Services would reject an indigenous equipment or system that meets the military’s need. It would be rather odd if equipment or a system that has met acceptable standards is being rejected! Scepticism over DRDO can be attributed to four issues. One, they always claim that they have ...

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