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Vivek K wrote:Make in India vs Fake in India -which is the way forward for India?

It's not an either/or problem.

There will be elements of both.

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http://www.punemirror.in/pune/civic/Rafale-deal-in-its-final-stages-IAF-chief-Raha/articleshow/48725676.cms Although the purchase of 36 Dassault Rafale combat jets had hit a roadblock, Air Chief Marshal Arup Rahal said the deal is in its "final stages". . . . "The government is workin...

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but the progress of the thread narrative ends up being extremely negative and hurtful to the IAF. Trust me, the IAF is not 'hurt' by any thread here. They are not here to win any popularity contests. In fact it is a sign of strength to freely allow criticism, because criticism doesn't worry you. Ei...

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Has France sold weapons to China ? No and I haven't heard about any intiative since quite a some time now. Not in the current French agenda. And anyway it is EU that decides not France. http://thediplomat.com/2012/04/eu-should-keep-china-arms-embargo/ Since late 2003, France has sustained a campaig...

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arthuro wrote:So why is the IAF isn't purchasing your beloved F35, aditional MKI or even LCA ?

Well if the IAF isn't going to buy anything besides Rafale it's pretty screwed as it can't afford enough to make up for falling numbers.

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Antonov proposes An-188, an An-70 variant with turbofans instead of turboprops

http://www.janes.com/article/52287/pari ... t-aircraft

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Whether there is an official 'Plan B' right now or not is irrelevant. If the need arises they can always create it. Saying 'There is no Plan B' is just trying to convey that they are committed to the current plan. HOWEVER, if the current plan falls through, well then of course they'll come up with s...

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1. V Som In all dog fighting exercises, IAF Sukhois were able to turn sharply into the extremely agile Typhoons using their thrust-vectored engines to keep the RAF jets locked in their sights When you can fire behind yourself, the entire concept of 'in your sights' is meaningless. edit: to clarify,...

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David Cameron patronizingly even urged India to "reconsider" its Rafale decision after the announcement. You're confusing 'being patronizing' with 'good economic sense'. The Russians, the Swedes and the Americans all did the same thing. No one gives up hope until the contract is official,...

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Why dont you give the same advise to the RAF Chief who went publicly in 2009 Ex Ind and said IAF lost ....what about Chief courtesy and trying to praise opponent I don't recall that incident, but if it's as you describe then I would say the same thing to him. I do recall the one USAF officer talkin...

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Regarding this exercise, the RAF got thrashed. What makes the Indian claim more credible than the British claim besides blind nationalism? The Brits are being sore losers. It doesn't reflect well on them. If there is one side that comes off poorly, it's clearly the Indian. Either they dramatically ...

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unable to even demonstrate the nuance Bill Sweetman does when he refers to TVC as making it harder for missile guidance systems. Even great advantages in aerodynamic performance only lead to minor variations in success rate WVR The absolute best you can hope for is something like a 75/25 advantage,...

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The fact that you can't even understand the glaring holes in the British version, and think that its credible, whilst completely discounting the IAF account (which you have demonstrated in the past as well) puts you firmly in the class of a fanboi. Feel free to expound on the glaring holes in the B...

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You think I'm a secret EF fanboi? Right on one part, "fanboi". :lol: So . . . you uncritically accept the version put forth by some Indian pilots while completely discounting the British version for no particular reason, even when the scenario described strains credulity and you're callin...

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BTW, for all the serious folk heres how the Su-30 MKI pilots use their TVC with their HMS and the HOBS R-73E missile combo, the combined package is what makes it far more capable than a conventional aircraft with a HMS and a HOBS missile. Sorry, being able to spin or flip doesn't make you invulnera...

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Karan M wrote:
GeorgeWelch wrote: Providing some needed balance?

(It should be obvious by now I'm not even a EF fan)
Yeah sure...

You think I'm a secret EF fanboi?

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Actually within those restrictions, the WVR battle is perfectly germaine (short range A2A) and the Typhoons had their clocks cleaned. It helps to apply a little critical thought to the situation. WVR is basically a coinflip. Missiles and seekers are too deadly, if you get that close, you're going t...

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Singha wrote:the familiarization flight thing appears dubious at high level 20,000ft

Where do you see 20,000ft?

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Karan M wrote:As usual George Welch appears to do his usual as the unpalatable facts come in

Providing some needed balance?

(It should be obvious by now I'm not even a EF fan)

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Who needs the Rafales now? IAF Sukhois lick Typhoons 12-0 says this Brit report. As always, a healthy dose of skepticism is called for. http://forces.tv/00317417 Sources from the RAF state, however, that Indian planes were being 'bedded in' to new terrain and effectively shown the ropes. The RAF we...

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Austin wrote:Military aircraft have FOD grill etc to take care of FOD damage during take off

No they don't.

Early MiG-29s has an 'alternate intake' setup, but that was quickly done away with as it was found to be more trouble than it was worth.

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The MTA is supposed to also have a civilian passenger version,whereas the Hercules is a dedicated mil transport. I posted costs also earlier,repeated here.C-130Js cost between $100-120M.Whereas an MTA will cost only $35-40M. One would get at least 3 MTAs for the price of just one Hercules! And the ...

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Fact is the GOI and IAF are in agreement that Rafale fits their plan best all things considered. Which explains why the GoI cut the buy to 36. I am sure the GOI has taken all factors including Price/tech./capability/Gen./etc into consideration while arriving at the decision. I'm pretty sure GoI is ...

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When is the carrier slated to be operational? What is stopping the IN from seeking an LCA to be rated for a CAT launch? Besides time and money? Nothing, but just pointing out that not only does it not exist now, there are no current plans to make it happen. It seems rather imprudent to count on som...

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The Shornet is neither cheap nor easily inducted causing an altogether new fighter type from a whimsical vendor. It's half the price of the Rafale 'Ease of induction' is a red herring. When was the last time you heard of a modern airforce being unable to use a new plane because they couldn't figure...

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Neither EMALS nor Steam CATS restricts the IN to a US aircraft apart from perhaps the E-2D. If the AMCA goes as per plan, the IN could simply move to an AMCA/LCA fleet for the new carrier, or simply buy more Mig-29's or Rafale M's if they are still in production by then. LCA and Mig-29 aren't catap...

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You can't deny that it is galling that a third-world country that has traditionally fed on diet on Russian planes discarded the famed F16s and F18s. Not due to cost, not for lack of lobbying, but as technically deficient . Yes, the same fighters that are the harbingers of righteous wrath of Khan kn...

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You routinely fib ( calling the IAF liars, say the MMRCA was rigged and what not with ZERO evidence apart from your pongo interpretations) Denying Lockmart a chance to rerun the engine change test while cutting the Euros all sorts of slack on capabilities that aren't ready makes it pretty blatant. ...

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eklavya wrote:As for cost, LCA is by a long way the most economical

To quote an esteemed poster on this board 'Cheap junk is still junk.'

(Not directed at you, just yanking Karan's chain a little

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Karan M wrote:If you can't handle the truth and its painful to you whilst you think you are some power, get some treatment asap. Delirium clearly.

That you can't make your point without resorting to personal attacks says a lot . . .

Here's a hilarious thought: if the SH is so bad, what does that make the LCA?

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edit: doesn't matter, way off-topic

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But there would have been fewer of them. So we shifted some F-22 numbers to F-35 No. At the moment the F-35A is designed around the F-16, and A-10 replacement. The USAF has shrunk considerably since the gulf-war, and the F-35A purchase number that exists at the moment as a requirement reflects an a...

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The threat for which it was designed became a lot smaller priority post cold war In other words, "it was too expensive for the capabilities delivered." Had there been 500 F-22A's, the F-35 performance would still have been the same. But then there would have been fewer F-35s ordered. So w...

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brar_w wrote:That is absolutely not how it went down. The F-22A was meant to replace the F-15C

But then we realized it was too expensive for the capabilities delivered and the buy was truncated.

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Rubbish, you are busy claiming that since the flying bricks did not win the MMRCA everyone else who won was bad and the competition was rigged. No, I claimed that it was rigged because of clear evidence that it was rigged. What else is it but grapes are sour. Pointing out painful truths. (Speaking ...

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2) Spatial disorientation. Can we really afford to take the risk of sending a $125+ million fighter up in the air with just one pilot and then lose it to SD or something similar. I am sure Rambha pilots can attest to the episodes when they saved their fellow pilot's skin (or vice versa) up in the a...

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Rakesh, grapes are sour in full flow!! The fox tried and tried to get the grapes, and when he finally gave up he said 'the grapes were probably sour anyways'. Thus sour grapes is when you strive for something, don't get it and then say 'well, I didn't want it anyways' If I said, "well, the US ...

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The fact that the Eurocanards actually beat the legacy American fighters is a hard pill for some to swallow. Egos have been bruised quite badly. Not at all. The true ego bruising will occur when you realize that you're wasting so much money on something that doesn't matter. Either Eurocanard will r...

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I notice you did not address Lockmart What ground could they possibly have? I assume you read the Tellis piece? One of the identified shortcomings was engine change time. Tellis is deliberately obtuse about what happened ('idiosyncratic mishap' and 'multiple stochastic demonstrations' indeed), fort...

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The only ground for Boeing I notice you did not address Lockmart :P (as a sidenote, the article does have some real gems in it "The Europeans, he contended, 'were willing to bend over backwards in terms of technology transfer, in terms of industrial work share and in terms of other regulatory ...

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