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- 05 Jun 2003 11:22
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
- Replies: 176
- Views: 98337
Re: Indian History Discussions - III
The above passage is from Tarikh i Firoz Shahi written by Ziauddin Barani originally in Persian. Translations can be found in Elliot and Dowson.
- 05 Jun 2003 11:05
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Histories of Cities in India
- Replies: 137
- Views: 123692
Re: Histories of Cities in India
Under no circumstances should this investigation fall into the hands of people like Meadows and Witzel. They will make a complete mess of the whole thing postulating that Norwegians immigrated to India 9500 years ago. Now, another American archaeologist, Richard Meadows of Harvard University, is pro...
- 04 Jun 2003 20:43
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: India and the Social Sciences
- Replies: 94
- Views: 69241
Re: India and the Social Sciences
Pope decries anti-conversion laws in India http://www.newsonweb.com/chennaionline/newsitemnew.asp?NEWSID=%7B745E4BC7%2D3AFD\%2D4A5C%2DAD31%2D0104BA58D3D6%7D&CATEGORYNAME=National Pope decries anti-conversion laws in India Search for More News Vatican City, June 3: Pope John Paul II today decried...
- 03 Jun 2003 05:21
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
- Replies: 176
- Views: 98337
Re: Indian History Discussions - III
We are all tribals. That is good. The difference (if any) beween tribes - jati, has always been known to be minimal. Even the percentage genetic differences are less than a fraction of a percent. The nature vs. nurture (genetics vs. environment) argument as we all know by now is decisively tilted t...
- 01 Jun 2003 05:41
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
- Replies: 176
- Views: 98337
Re: Indian History Discussions - III
Crossposted from IC yahoogroups Aryan invasion/migration of Europe?? *The basques of spain dont speak an indo-european language *The Celts of Ireland, Uk etc speak an indo-european language *The Celts and basque are genetically identical *hence the Celts got their indo-european language from a small...
- 01 Jun 2003 04:53
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
- Replies: 176
- Views: 98337
Re: Indian History Discussions - III
When have they ever said anything good about Hinduism ?
- 31 May 2003 20:22
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Shaping Reality: India vs. China
- Replies: 98
- Views: 72166
Re: Shaping Reality: India vs. China
China remains a highly corrupt country, generally on the same level as India. There the CP and the high level bureaucracy live high on the hog. But they do not bother with the petty penny ante corruption (less than thousand rupees) that is more prevalent in India .
- 31 May 2003 12:14
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Shaping Reality: India vs. China
- Replies: 98
- Views: 72166
Re: Shaping Reality: India vs. China
Freedom is essential in the political, economic and philosophical pillars of society. Freedom is essential , no doubt for the reason you have stated. But my remark was to the effect that economic progress is independent of political freedom. Remember political freedom is a relatively new concept in...
- 31 May 2003 01:35
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Shaping Reality: India vs. China
- Replies: 98
- Views: 72166
Re: Shaping Reality: India vs. China
Concur with alan desouza. Democracy is incidental to economic advancement, it neither hinders nor aids economic progress, provided there is adequate economic freedom (not necessarily political) and accountability.
- 30 May 2003 06:35
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
- Replies: 176
- Views: 98337
Re: Indian History Discussions - III
I agree with Vijay. starting the current era from the birth of christ is artificial. The Indian calendar is more logical
- 29 May 2003 23:24
- Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
- Topic: Books that cover Indian Armed Forces and its History
- Replies: 267
- Views: 102205
Re: Books that cover Indian Armed forces and its History
How India very nearly lost 1965 war with pakistan *Now to some analysis. The Patton was a far superior tank to anything the Indians possessed, and the Pakistanis outnumbered the Indians 3-1 in tanks if we exclude Indian AMX-13s, and 3-0 in armored infantry. *Pakistani plans were to seize Khem Karan,...
- 29 May 2003 01:34
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
- Replies: 176
- Views: 98337
Re: Indian History Discussions - III
AD - anno domini , used by the catholic church to signify the birth of christ. same as CE (Common era) BC - Before christ , same as Before the Common era (BCE). BCE and CE are widely used today to divorce the reference to Christ. http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini "Anno Domini, commonly ...
- 27 May 2003 21:08
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: India's Inspirational Personalities
- Replies: 111
- Views: 86154
Re: India's Inspirational Personalities
I came across this in another site. Apparently this gentleman passed away recently "Dr. Nitu Mandke, MS, DM (Cardiology) Honorory Cardio-Thoracic Surgeon This gentleman has performed over 10,000 heart surgeries. He had some feats in his kitty. Some very complex surgeries involving significantly...
- 27 May 2003 19:20
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
- Replies: 176
- Views: 98337
- 27 May 2003 05:00
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
- Replies: 176
- Views: 98337
Re: Indian History Discussions - III
BB Lal's remarks on the "pillar bases" and other topics. The Ramayana: An Archaeological Appraisal Padma Bhushan Professor B. B. Lal The following statement of Prof. B. B. Lal throws light on the recent part of the history, and repudiates the distorted position taken by some historians wit...
- 23 May 2003 20:26
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
- Replies: 176
- Views: 98337
Re: Indian History Discussions - III
The significance of this find is that they were found in locations other than those required to support the structure of the Babri Masjid, hence the objections of the Waqf board. Clearly there was a prior structure underneath the Babri Masjid and these finds indicate that they were foundational supp...
- 23 May 2003 20:08
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
- Replies: 176
- Views: 98337
Re: Indian History Discussions - III
Crossposted from IC yahoogroup site. I post this here, not to assert that everything here is necessarily accurate (or even consistent) but that this is the kind of analysis that needs to be done to unravel ancient Indian history. The point is there is litle justification to the oft repeated claim th...
- 22 May 2003 20:47
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
- Replies: 176
- Views: 98337
Re: Indian History Discussions - III
Newdharma link is a very commendable effort. But the chronology and the timeline is still a subject of study. The author practically dismisses the drying up of the Saraswati river as a marker, saying that in the Mahabharata, it was already a dead river. "Geological data from the Sarasvati River...
- 22 May 2003 11:34
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: P V Narsimha Rao
- Replies: 102
- Views: 70552
Re: P V Narsimha Rao
Asutosh, you bring up troubling questions re. the extent to which one should ally oneself with evil for the sake of self preservation. There are no easy answers. In retrospect, one should keep one's distance from such regimes. Sweden and Switzerland chose to remain neutral in WW II and profited hand...
- 22 May 2003 10:56
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: P V Narsimha Rao
- Replies: 102
- Views: 70552
Re: P V Narsimha Rao
His taking help from the Nazis for a "noble cause" is pretty much the same as somebody taking help from Lashkar-e-Toiba or Hizbul-Mujahideen for a "noble cause". How is that different from GOI taking help from the Soviet Union in 1971, when we knew they were putting away thousan...
- 22 May 2003 04:42
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: P V Narsimha Rao
- Replies: 102
- Views: 70552
Re: P V Narsimha Rao
i missed that one , Praneet. That is a good one to brandish at TSP, everytime they get uppity about J&K. Very typical of PVNR's Chanakyan strategic thinking.
- 22 May 2003 00:45
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Histories of Cities in India
- Replies: 137
- Views: 123692
Re: Histories of Cities in India
the belief that we were not interested in recording history and our history mainly comes from foreign records. I should agree that this is a widespread view, but as Acharya stated on another thread, it is what we have been made to believe, rather than it being the reality. The narrative of our hist...
- 22 May 2003 00:06
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Histories of Cities in India
- Replies: 137
- Views: 123692
Re: Histories of Cities in India
Now we are getting somewhere. I was referring to Ancient India (as I thought you were) but it is now apparent you were referring to medieval India (roughly from 800 CE to the arrival of the British ). During that period there were historical texts too that have survived to this day such as Kalhana's...
- 21 May 2003 23:07
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Histories of Cities in India
- Replies: 137
- Views: 123692
Re: Histories of Cities in India
Could you please quote from my post where I claimed that India compared unfavorably with other civilizations? Or is this an assumption? This was your statement. “ if only the people of ancient India had a passion for recording history, we would have had a much better account of our past. We would n...
- 21 May 2003 22:54
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Histories of Cities in India
- Replies: 137
- Views: 123692
Re: Histories of Cities in India
The assumption here is that 'we' (referred to as 'you' in your post) have not 'cared to open the books and read'. Or that 'we' have been cut off from this treasure trove, macaulayised etc. Therefore, the request. Note that I am not crying 'ad hominem' etc The 'some of us' in my post referred to mys...
- 21 May 2003 21:50
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Histories of Cities in India
- Replies: 137
- Views: 123692
Re: Histories of Cities in India
There is a difference between 'literature' and 'history'. Where was there any claim about lack of literature? And just like you urge people not to assume things about you & your knowledge (valid), the same request applies to you as well. Never made any such assumption . As for the distinction b...
- 21 May 2003 21:36
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Histories of Cities in India
- Replies: 137
- Views: 123692
Re: Histories of Cities in India
On another note, if only the people of ancient India had a passion for recording history, we would have had a much better account of our past. We would not have to depend entirely on the accounts of foreigners and on peripheral evidence. Yet, there is a lot that is being learnt from even available ...
- 21 May 2003 20:24
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Histories of Cities in India
- Replies: 137
- Views: 123692
Re: Histories of Cities in India
There is a need to be careful in the claims here. Is there evidence that the Ayodhya as we know it today is the same as the one mentioned in the epic? Such objections are not unique to Ayodhya and hold good for every city that stands on the same site as an ancient one. New Delhi is obviously not on...
- 21 May 2003 19:38
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Histories of Cities in India
- Replies: 137
- Views: 123692
Re: Histories of Cities in India
Based on archeological evidence?
Based on the mention of the city in the Ramayana by the banks of the Sarayu river. The Ramayana predates the Mahabharata. I dont want to get into the controversy of how old it is, that is another question.
Based on the mention of the city in the Ramayana by the banks of the Sarayu river. The Ramayana predates the Mahabharata. I dont want to get into the controversy of how old it is, that is another question.
- 21 May 2003 12:07
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Histories of Cities in India
- Replies: 137
- Views: 123692
Re: Histories of Cities in India
Does anyone know the oldest contemporary city in India?
Ayodhya is clearly one of the oldest contemporary cities.
Ayodhya is clearly one of the oldest contemporary cities.
- 21 May 2003 11:39
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Histories of Cities in India
- Replies: 137
- Views: 123692
Re: Histories of Cities in India
So what am to make out of your assertions?
I stand corrected.
I stand corrected.
- 20 May 2003 04:15
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: P V Narsimha Rao
- Replies: 102
- Views: 70552
Re: P V Narsimha Rao
Bombay was a wonderful city in the 50's. You could see a movie at Metro or Regal in AC comfort for Rs.2.00. There was always a lot going on, esp. on campus at St.Xaviers. It was not a tremendously expensive city in those days.But then the population was about 3 million as compared to 15 million today.
- 20 May 2003 03:34
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: P V Narsimha Rao
- Replies: 102
- Views: 70552
Re: P V Narsimha Rao
Kaushal: Rs. 500 was certainly no small change in the 50's. Now I cant computes its value in 2003 but its certainly much much more valuable than Rs.500 in 2003. Were you alive then ? Take it from me it wasnt a large amount,although it was certainly above the poverty line. I remember the Milk bill a...
- 19 May 2003 20:21
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: P V Narsimha Rao
- Replies: 102
- Views: 70552
Re: P V Narsimha Rao
Ganesh, first I must congratulate you for pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. There is an undercurrent of opinion here in BR that many of us BRites were all born with a silver spoon in our mouth. Of course I left India long before PVNR became a household word. The choices were even fewer in thos...
- 18 May 2003 23:54
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: India and the Social Sciences
- Replies: 94
- Views: 69241
Re: India and the Social Sciences
By and large I regard the news in this book as positive, in the sense that as affluence and education increases ,the birth rate among all classes is falling. http://www.newindpress.com/sunday/sundayitems.asp?id=SEB20030517094137&eTitle=Bo\oks+%26+Lite rature&rLink=0 Does religion affect demo...
- 18 May 2003 19:54
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: P V Narsimha Rao
- Replies: 102
- Views: 70552
Re: P V Narsimha Rao
knickerwala ?
As Gandhiji said (of the King Emperor) some of us wear plus fours and some of us wear minus fours. But between the 2 of us we are adequately dressed.
As Gandhiji said (of the King Emperor) some of us wear plus fours and some of us wear minus fours. But between the 2 of us we are adequately dressed.
- 18 May 2003 19:31
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Why has it become so cool to hate India
- Replies: 320
- Views: 146530
Re: Why has it become so cool to hate India
We are going around in circles as usual when we discuss this issue. Caste is. Whether the effect of C are pernicious or not is immaterial, it is a social institution that is widely prevalent in the Subcontinent. So prevalent it is that it is widely practiced in various forms in countries outside Ind...
- 18 May 2003 12:15
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
- Replies: 176
- Views: 98337
Re: Indian History Discussions - III
Hyder Ali deposed the Wodeyar raja and usurped the throne in 1761 the same year that Ahmad Shah Durrani defeats the Mahrattas in Panipat. He never ruled on behalf of the Wodeyars. He was just a soldier/adventurer who also happened to be a charismatic leader.
- 17 May 2003 21:44
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Why has it become so cool to hate India
- Replies: 320
- Views: 146530
Re: Why has it become so cool to hate India
Kuldeep Nayyar is a lost cause.
- 17 May 2003 20:56
- Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
- Topic: Why has it become so cool to hate India
- Replies: 320
- Views: 146530
Re: Why has it become so cool to hate India
We denounce caste as a social evil, yet we marry within caste and live by it unconsciously all our lives. You are not reading my post when you make this comment and have chosen to ignore an important part of my post. There are now substantial number of intercaste marriages in the cities, but in the...