Bharat Rakshak

Harry

'Nosey' is appropriate, but 'Snorty' or 'Crack' would have been even better. Its ok to brag but to deliberately fool oneselves is something else. But they did'nt talk much about how many tanks they got (7 during the whole war but enough for Fricker to call GT road junction as a "Graveyard for I...

Harry

We got 9-10 MiGs on the ground and being shot down by an Indian is not possible

(Is the interviewer Fricker?)

Harry

not sure if its a repost ...link to new parachute regiment site http://www.indianparachuteregiment.kar.nic.in/ There is a book on Lt Gen IS Gill coming out soon (currently being "vetted" by HQ). He was a member of the SAS during WW-II. He received two awards from Greece due to his perform...

Harry

The above book also mentions an inconclusive dogfight between a Mystere and Sabre.

Harry

1965 Air War Kills list,

http://www.indianmilitaryhistory.org/ia ... _kills.pdf

Harry

Thanks Sree. Another general question - It is noted that a few of the 90 F-86E purchased from the Luftwaffe, became "decoys" in 1971. Why was this? Due to lack of spares? Lack of pilots? It is another strange Paki claim. If these aircraft were'nt stripped bare, they could have been flown. ...

Harry

The PAF had 26 B-57B, 1 B-57C and 2 RB-57F (converted RB-57D) in 1965 and only 18 B-57B in 1971 (not sure if it includes the single RB-57F), yet admits to only 4 B-57 losses in 65. Aircraft seem to disappear rather quickly in the PAF, as with the F-86Fs. :twisted: Were there any recorded accidents b...

Harry

There is also a video of the interview at http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/19161/kargil-hero-lives-to-tell-his-tale.html I havent listened to it but it appears ironic that a story that essentiallly starts off on a MiG-27 pilots incident would have Jaguars, Hunters, Su30MKIs but no MiG-27 :) An-32 has ...

Harry

PoW treatment wasnt always bad by the Pakis but sometimes it could be "Pulp Fiction" inhuman. Read the book "An Indian Spy in Pakistan". It seems they tortured their own people who matched random names given out during interrogation, regarding their nuclear programme.

Harry

Does anyone know whats happening at 2:00 in that clip? A hunter is flying and something is exploding underneath it..?

Harry

This should've been in the humor thread but still,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b-aXBGZ ... ed&search=

Harry

After nearly smashing my computer in frustration in trying to get this right, here it is. Turn the volume up loud. If this don't get the average BRite interested in history, nothing will. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUSvPy1SWAo Your impressions welcome. Jagan, I've seen it. They mention 13 RP ins...

Harry

Well, which war? From what I was reading, the US transferred some planes during 1971 illegally via Iran to Pakistan , that were intended for Libya. Was there another Libyan angle to 1965? It would be very handy if I could talk you into documenting foreign arms transfers to Pakistan during these war...

Harry

I was thinking about how you tracked down that those Jordanian planes were shot down. Surely at least some of the PAF losses must have been Gulf country planes. It would be very nice for political reasons to have that documented and verified. The IAF has always claimed that the downed F-104s had a ...

Harry

It was good to see some analysis done by Harry about the kills in the 1971 war, but what about 1965? Can we talk you into doing a repeat of 1965 as well? I think Jagan's book already covered that in the appendices and a new list would be little more than a repeat of it. The book does well to kill t...

Harry

Everything was gathered from open sources and the sources were provided. These are an attempt at a complete list of claims made by various sources, with cross-referencing taking many months. There will not be any corrections (in the tables) unless the concerned parties/authors themselves approach or...

Harry

The timing of this thread was good. The most extensive list of IAF Kill claims for the 1971 war, ever compiled. At last!

http://www.orbat.com/site/cimh/iaf/IAF_1971_kills.pdf

Harry

Thanks.

Coming back to history, does anyone know why SDRE Alam stayed back in the PAF while Bengalis like Azam and Shaukat joined the BAF?

Harry

There seem to be a number of vehicles (s300s?) at Bikaner AF?

23 03 N 73 12 E

Harry

I knew this thread would'nt take off. Just curious but does anyone other than Jagan, Samir, Sree, Shiv and me, actually research or take interest in IAF history?

Harry

Till today, I could never understand how Chiefs of opposing Air Forces could have reached an understanding to keep away from conflict (if ever such an agreement was reached). From : http://www.defencejournal.com/may98/fightergap1.htm On Saturday, our revision was complete, we were as ready as could...

Harry

Indian Express does a two-page spread on the 1965 war book: http://www.indianexpress.com/sunday/story/9548.html Could'nt those idiots read the details and final tables properly? There were 16 air-to-air kills by both sides, although Cooke's second kill is not mentioned in the tables, plus Sikands G...

Harry

Then why do I see my (and other peoples) watermarks on certain pics?

Harry

It needs a lot of work plus acknowledgment of the sources of (copyrighted) pics and info.

Harry

According to VP Malik, Kargil style attacks would require a 10:1 attacker:defender ratio and sometimes even this would'nt be enough. What the IA did was quite superhuman. However, the IAF must receive a lot of credit for the eventual ~9:1 kill ratio in India's favour. Airpower is the only way to avo...

Harry

Its not Pakistan cut to size and I have the relevant portions from that book. The book I'm talking about also has a chapter or a subsection titled "How the Starfighter met its doom"

Harry

I'm also looking for a long lost book on the 1971 war. Identification features,

1. Captured tank on the front cover
2. A day by day account of the war, including the airwar
3. Pics of Khaibar, Shah jehan, Ghazi and the tangail paradrop

Harry

Such a facility would be incredibly useful. During Kargil, the IAF Mi-17 gunship pilots were'nt really familiar with the terrain and had to carry Army pilots onboard. The one that was lost incidentally did not have an army pilot onboard and had trouble exiting. When will we ever wake up?

Harry

There has been a lot of speculation after foreign transfers of a/c to the PAF during the 1971 war (besides the RJAF F-104s). The following book has some details, The White House & Pakistan : Secret Declassified Documents, 1969-1974/selected and edited/F.S. Aijazuddin. New Delhi, Oxford Universit...

Harry

Seems like China is serious about engaging India. How serious? More than you think,

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07/19 ... n_mystery/

Harry

It is well deserved. The historical portions of the IAF on the net are 97% the work of Jagan and Samir alone. I hope that there will be a high end version of this book, a collectors edition, with all the corrections, maps, new pics, artwork and higher quality of print paper. It may not sell well but...

Harry

Aditya G wrote:
Btw wasnt Nachiketa commanding a SAM unit sometime back? IIRC he had suffered from injuries to his back.

Nachiketa is now flying An-32s.

Harry

Notice how the guys behind Sharieff and Musharaff are both covering their noses.

Harry

New Warbird at RIMC, http://www.rimc.org/imageshowimg.as?ImageID=31&1152403798 Harry I have seen that before but I think it is a visitor rather than a warbird. Seems to be on isolated display? In other news, anyone familiar with the pakis at ACIG would know how they'd try to brown-nose the Iran...

Harry

New Warbird at RIMC,

Harry

maitya wrote: But LRs have extremely low range (around 3-8Km, max),

The lasers of LDPs like the ATFLIR are advertised with slant ranges in the area of 60 km. I don't know how effective they would be in A2A though?

Harry

the OLS-30 is a modified seeker of some IR missile iirc, its not that great. the Roosies need to come up with something to replace this alongwith the work on IIR-K74 mk1 and mk2 missiles. the F-14D IRST below the nose was supposedly a lot better. the YAL-1 also has a sensor on the roof. Claims abou...

Harry

Answers for both, I don't know. They could've integrated the R-73E with the SHAR, Jaguar, MiG-23BN/27 and MiG-21bis/M long ago but I don't know why they did'nt or if they actually did? Might be that these weapons are expensive Integration of R-73 is a bit fishy ... I mean without an IRST (or Radar)...

Harry

Harry, given the fact that it appears that the R-73 will be integrated into the MiG-27, why not the Jag ? BTW, these new weapons spoken of by HAL for the Jag and MiG-27, other than LGBs, what are they talking about ? Answers for both, I don't know. They could've integrated the R-73E with the SHAR, ...

Harry

the RAF/FrAF jaguars were already at the level of our new Jags. do these have the darin 2 suite.I always thought that the newer (17) 2 seaters were far more advanced then the raf jags RAF upgraded Jaguars to GR.3 standard. The most impressive of this is the addition of a HMS and ASRAAM capability. ...

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