Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 22 Oct 2016 00:50

It's OK, folks. Doesn't matter.

Islamophobia... or, as I prefer to call it, Islamo-realism in America is alive and well no matter what happens. Islam has ensured that all by itself, and will continue to do so.

Ironically, I think having a more Islam-pasand POTUS this time around will only make the impending Islamo-realist reaction even more popcorn-worthy when it finally erupts amongst the US masses.

Hopefully she will fail abjectly at reversing the economic slide, depleting trade and budget deficits, curbing unemployment and/or averting the next financial crisis. That will only add to how furious people become. Islam, meanwhile, will claw its way rabidly to the front of the line for scapegoats... just look at how many attacks there have been on US soil since Boston (San Bernadino, Orlando, NY/NJ). The pace and frequency are growing too rapidly for the thin fiction of "misguided lone wolves" to endure much longer. Blame will finally be placed where it belongs, and there will be nothing she or Abedin or Uzra Zeya can do to stem the consequences.

US-India relations meanwhile will bottom out under Hillary. She is just the sort of person who will look at the developing Russia-China axis, and its flirtation with Pakistan, to conclude that "Hindoo India needs us, therefore its concerns can be treated with cavalier dismissal and high-handed hectoring because we're the only game in town for them".

This, IMHO, will also be an extraordinarily good thing for India.

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 22 Oct 2016 00:53

Gus wrote: I keep asking the same question. Trump does not have any understanding of US-India foreign policy history and its issues. And he does not have the brains or attention span to develop this understanding. Nobody has any idea of what his actual policy will be or his set of advisors will be. Nobody, not even Trump.

How is he going to be better than Hilary? rambling and ranting on her now and then is not equal to policy or intent

I don't think anyone is (at least the usual suspects are) saying Trump will be better when it comes to US-India relationships. They are saying something different imo. I summarized all they are saying into a two choice question in an earlier post few pages back. Don't want to repost it.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 22 Oct 2016 01:11

Huma Abedin on Hillary’s $12M Morocco fiasco: ‘She created this mess and she knows it’

Hillary Clinton solicited a $12 million donation from a government that her State Department considered corrupt, then realized the “mess” it would cause in her presidential run, a newly leaked email reveals.King Mohammed VI of Morocco agreed to give the money to the Clinton Foundation, provided that it held a convention in his country in May 2015 with Clinton as the keynote speaker.But Clinton realized that the conference, slated for a month after she announced her run for president, would hurt her candidacy.

Did not attend, therefore did not hurt her !

n another email, Abedin warned that if Clinton didn’t attend, the $12 million would be off the table.“Just to give you some context, the condition upon which the Moroccans agreed to host the meeting was her participation. If hrc was not part if it, meeting was a non-starter,” Abedin wrote in a January 2015 email to Mook and campaign manager John Podesta.

The king gave the money to the Clinton Foundation and underwrote the CGI summit with the quid-pro-quo understanding that Hillary would attend, and other dignitaries attending were led to believe that she would be there.But Hillary sent Bill and Chelsea Clinton while she campaigned in Nevada and California

The Clintons cannot be seen publicly to be taking money from the "Islamic World" for a quid pro quo , therefore Huma Abedin, with her Islamic credentials, does the "dirty work " for them , with the added bonus of the" muslim vote " !

It was unclear exactly how much went directly for the summit and how much went to the Clinton Foundation — but the total added up to $12 million, according to the emails.

The meeting was officially paid for by OCP, a Moroccan government-owned mining company that has been accused of human rights violations.

And Mohamed Yeslem Beisat, the Washington envoy for the self-described “government in exile” Polisario Front, told Al-Monitor, a news site that focuses on the Middle East, in 2013 that “OCP is the first beneficiary of the war and the first beneficiary of the occupation — it is the one that is cashing in on the misery of thousands of refugees and hundreds of political detainees for the past 40 years.”Beisat added, “They’re doing this because they know Hillary has some chances of being president of the United States. And they want her to support their brutal occupation of Western Sahara.”

Abedin’s email was among more than 4,000 posted Thursday by WikiLeaks.They were stolen from Podesta, who has warned that the communications may have been doctored.US intelligence agencies have fingered the Russian government as the culprits behind the hack — charging that Russian President Vladimir Putin was trying to influence the US election in Donald Trump’s favor.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 22 Oct 2016 01:54

Rudradev wrote: just look at how many attacks there have been on US soil since Boston (San Bernadino, Orlando, NY/NJ). The pace and frequency are growing too rapidly for the thin fiction of "misguided lone wolves" to endure much longer. .

They infiltrated heavily in the mosques and that netted them a lot of wannabes. But this new breed of IS inspired attacks are by people out of their surveillance net. But it won't be long before they find patterns and start zooming in.

EU countries has more to worry and you can already see their change in how they lecture us on not escalating and talk peace instead blah blah.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Oct 2016 01:58

all you brown folk who think that trumpeshwar will be good for desi-wallahs
enjoy the bbq when the deplorables come and burn you on crosses on your front yards

trump is just the tip of the iceberg, he is riding to the top on a wave of hatred that is being unshackled...

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 22 Oct 2016 02:09

Aah reckon they gonna have to order dem a large supplaa of dem crosses seein' as neighborhoods dawn hiya fitty deep with all dem brown folk. Gonna need lotsa laaghter fluid as weil..

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 22 Oct 2016 03:59

Gus wrote:
They infiltrated heavily in the mosques and that netted them a lot of wannabes. But this new breed of IS inspired attacks are by people out of their surveillance net. But it won't be long before they find patterns and start zooming in.

I have to wonder about the "IS inspired" bit. Yes, I know that is the conventional wisdom issuing from Hillary Mohtarma/Barack Obama's Islampasand mainstream-media orifices. Just like the Benghazi attack was really all about a "youtube video" (not a coordinated, planned attempt to seize SA-11 Igla MANPADS stored illegally by Clinton's State Dept in a US Embassy compound for later trafficking to Syrian terrorists).

But let's look at the supposed "IS" angle here. How do we know that the perpetrators these attacks were actually affiliated to "IS" (as opposed to old-school, Paki ISI/Taliban-affiliated jihadi tanzeems)?

Boston Bombings: Happened in April 2013. That was the very month when Al-Baghdadi made his first announcement that something known as the "Islamic State" had even been founded. So, no correlation is possible.

ALL the others: San Bernadino, Orlando, and New York have NO Levant/West Asia connection; but every one of them has an Af-Pak connection.

Syed Rizwan Farook (San Bernadino) was a Paki-American. His wife and accomplice was a Pakistani. His Pakistani family was revealed to have radical sympathies, with abundant jihadi literature found in his mother's home (a fact that the mainstream media quickly hushed up).

Omar Mateen was an Afghan-American. His father is an Afghan who has made public professions of loyalty and support for the Taliban.

Ahmad Khan Rahimi was an Afghan who had traveled repeatedly to Pakistan for training in ISI-sponsored, Taliban-operated camps.

So what leg does the "IS-inspired, lone wolf" fiction purveyed by the Islampasand Democrats actually stand upon? Where is the evidence that IS was instrumental... OR that full-scale networks of radicalization, recruitment, training etc. in the AfPak region were not involved here (as opposed to "lone wolves" who all of a sudden decided one day to commit jihad?)

Yes, there is an inchoate IS presence in Af-Pak, but it is negligible compared to the Haqqani Network, Quetta Shura, and other Taliban groups beholden to the Pakistani ISI.

That Obama and Hillary Mohtarma blame the IS for these attacks is revealing: it serves their agenda of wanting to prop up Islamic State in the geographically-ignorant American public's view as the new, internationally villainous flavour-of-the-month. This also spares them from naming the actual source of these terrorists... Pakistan... because Allah forbid, if Pakistan was named, Obama might have to make good on the vacuous threats Hillary Mohtarma issued following the arrest of Faisal Shehzad (Pakistani Times Square Bomber).

The "lone wolf" rubbish is a pure cover-up for the abject failure of an Islampasand Democratic regime to secure the United States against Islamic terrorism. All of these terrorists had families and community connections to Af-Pak jihadi organizations. All of them were trained, motivated, and equipped somewhere. It's far more convenient for the mainstream US media to pretend, after the fact, that they were completely random, solitary radicals whose terrorist behaviour could never have been predicted.

There will be a lot more of this, I am sure, with a Hillary White House... home to a bevy of inveterate, Islampasand Mohtarmas like Huma Abedin and Uzra Zeya.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 22 Oct 2016 04:27

Lalmohan wrote:all you brown folk who think that trumpeshwar will be good for desi-wallahs
enjoy the bbq when the deplorables come and burn you on crosses on your front yards

trump is just the tip of the iceberg, he is riding to the top on a wave of hatred that is being unshackled...

this video is for the social justice warrior.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hUd5thZ9G0

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 22 Oct 2016 04:46

So what leg does the "IS-inspired, lone wolf" fiction purveyed by the Islampasand Democrats actually stand upon? Where is the evidence that IS was instrumental... OR that full-scale networks of radicalization, recruitment, training etc.

Only EU attacks can be traced to network you mention. The attacks in US are more like a franchise. The dude is already ready to go out. He gets in touch and they slap their label. IS also makes claims where links are not found.

But in the attacks in US that you mentioned, there are links

for ex

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orland ... ar-mateen/

Mateen called dispatchers about 20 minutes into the attack, pledging allegiance to ISIS and mentioning the Boston Marathon bombers, a U.S. official said.

I can see why you can dismiss and I concede that there is possibility of plants, but there needs to be more proof either way. I am just giving benefit of doubt to IS at this point.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Oct 2016 04:59

The 'IS' is BO/HiC's "Al Qaeda #3" or "Al Qaeda in Iraq" if u remember 2002-2010 all-purpose excuse. Ultimately, who are these? Answer: US allies - Pakis, Saudis, Canadian, Turkish, Qatari, British terrorists. Maybe a couple of Algerians and Nigerians and Moroccans. With all the vaunted Cyber Warfare investments and global presence of the CIA/FBI and MI-5/6 and SURETE and INTERPOL, how is the "IS" able to come out with Internet announcements regularly, and maintain a large FaceBook presence? Oil sales? Weapon transfers?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 22 Oct 2016 09:27

With all the vaunted Cyber Warfare investments and global presence of the CIA/FBI and MI-5/6 and SURETE and INTERPOL, how is the "IS" able to come out with Internet announcements regularly, and maintain a large FaceBook presence? Oil sales? Weapon transfers?

As Sherlock Holmes said -

How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?

CLINTON FOUNDATION DONATIONS by Sunni surrogates.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 22 Oct 2016 12:05

Lalmohan wrote:all you brown folk who think that trumpeshwar will be good for desi-wallahs
enjoy the bbq when the deplorables come and burn you on crosses on your front yards

Let me repost here my answer from Bharat-US thread sometime ago, the thing is support of us Bhura Bharatvaasis is not for Trump but opposition to hillary :
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7220&p=2046028#p2046028

Manish_Sharma wrote: There is no shivering, data from past acts and behavious is being coldly calculated here in think-tank Bharat-Rakshak, please stop your jean-shivering and labeling the analysis with derogatory lables !

When Hillary sits in that chair, all these brigades are already organised behind her with military discipline against Bharat :

1. Sonia & Party, Aruna Roy, Medha Patkar, Suzzane Roy, christian Kavita Krishna, christian Sagrika Ghose, christian burkha dutt...

2. AAP ~ controlled by Ford Foundation, ford is also hillary friends just now condemned by trump.

3. Porki establishment

4. Elite snobbish delhi lutyens and mumbai lutyens like shobha de etc.

5. China gets full relief.

6. Narayan murty type sepoys dependent on exports to US will be used to contrive new accusations against NaMo every 6 hours.

While trump may also end up as our enemy like hillary, but his nature is more A-10 type loud and unstealthy, while hillary is full stealth F-35 mode. Look how many of deshwasis support her and that bill guy too.

The first two years hopefully trump will create lot of trouble with set channels among democrats-porkis-cheenis, whereas hillary will fit in smoothly to snipe at NaMo and Bharatvarsh.

If I remember correctly the expression like "Dhoti-Shiver" was forbidden just like "c" hinks or "j" aps as it makes racist statement against a culture or civilization.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Oct 2016 18:11

are you sure that trump is not part of the deep state?

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 22 Oct 2016 18:25

Of course he is part of deep state, but he is not friendly to porkis, saudis and chinese at least as openly and shamelessly as clintons are.

At least he doesn't have a porki-sunni mole huma abedin in his team. At least he has made some sounds like "We will take India's help in containing pakistan, I believe India has a huge and powerful army.... ",

Now he may not actually act the way he talks, but he won't go as deep as hillary in helping porkis and chinese.

Plus our sickular-leftist-christo cabal under leadership of termite lady is also eagerly waiting for hillary to take over, as they have properly functional channels to work with her....

Even if under trump US becomes openly fundamentalist, they'll not be having the authority to lecture us sanctimoniously !!!

It may be hard for NRIs but actually in interest of Bharatvarsh.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Oct 2016 18:42

your last statement is on the money

if you look at the way this campaign has been organised (and the brexitt campaign - and watch le pen now in the french elections) - a new style of politics is upon us.

1. a group of people feel they are the rightful heirs and they are being dispossessed by some 'other'
2. new technology gives them a voice
3. new media is sucking up sound bytes of this voice and amplifying them as opinion and sentiment (for money)
4. new leaders are riding the wave... or the wave has chosen them to lead the 'movement'
5. its new power and new money challenging old power and old money
6. some new and old players may be intermingled/merged/overlapping (the king is dead long live the king)

its a power grab by different shadowy people, on the backs of the lumpen proletariat (as ever)

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Oct 2016 18:49

from EWTN Q&A on US Election

a quote from Archbishop Chaput made earlier this week:

"...a friend describes the choice facing voters in November this way: A vulgar, boorish lout and disrespecter of women, with a serious impulse control problem; or a scheming, robotic liar with a lifelong appetite for power and an entourage riddled with anti-Catholic bigots.

"In a nation where “choice” is now the unofficial state religion, the menu for dinner is remarkably small."

http://ewtn.com/v/experts/showresult.as ... bookmark=2

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 22 Oct 2016 18:58

Mistakenly posted it on Bharat-US thread, so moving here:

Another reminder of why Bharatvaasis should be against clinton :

Rudradev wrote:FWIW...

http://india-herald.com/indian-american ... 186-64.htm

The Clintons' Quarter-Century Record on India.
1991: Arkansas Governor and presidential candidate Bill Clinton delivers foreign policy speech and describes plans to interfere in “separatist efforts” in India and Yugoslavia .

1992: Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton promises during his presidential campaign that he will use Super 301, a law designed to impose trade sanctions impacting India

1992: US Trade Representative Carla Hills who turns out to be a Hillary Clinton supporter imposes trade sanctions on India under Super 301

1992: Joe Biden Amendment blocks sale of Russian Cryogenic engines to India

1993: Bill Clinton blocks sale of Cray Supercomputers to India

1993: Bill Clinton administration to sell Cray Supercomputer to China

1993: Bill Clinton supports terrorists in Punjab leading to protests in India outside US embassy (protests happened in early 1994 but support was in late 1993)

1993: Bill Clinton writes to Pakistan lobbyist and offers to work together on Kashmir

1993-94: Bill Clinton does not bother to appoint ambassador to India for more than a year in order to insult India

1994: Clinton’s close friend and Assistant Secretary of State Robin Raphel says Kashmir should not be part of India

1994: Bill Clinton supports Pakistan on Kashmir and accuses India of human rights violations

1994: Bill Clinton administration official sets fire to Indian skirt on TV and declares them a fire hazard hurting Indian textile sector and destroying livelihoods of millions of families who depend on the sector

1994: Bill Clinton targets Indian pharmaceutical industry for destruction by foisting TRIPS provisions as part of WTO

1994: Bill Clinton administration offers F-16 planes to Pakistan and Robin Raphel announces offer from Delhi

1994: Bill Clinton administration pursues carrot and stick policy (carrots for Pakistan, sticks for India): announces F-16s for Pakistan and threatens India with trade sanctions under Super 301

1995: Bill Clinton Appointee declares Indian scarves flammable and orders recall hurting Indian textile industry

1995: Bill Clinton administration foists bad Enron deal on India and forces Indian government to provide guarantees

1996: Bill Clinton sets up ‘Advisory Committee on Religious Freedom Abroad’ with aim of forcing Hindus in India to convert to Christianity and this Committee eventually recommends the creation of the hate group USCIRF

1997: Bill Clinton’s friend and Assistant Secretary of State Robin Raphel announces Clinton administration’s policy of opposing Russian collaboration with India for electricity generation and weapons of defense

1997: Bill Clinton’s Vice President Al Gore refers to Punjab as Khalistan

1998: Bill Clinton imposes sanctions on India

1998: Bill Clinton preaches to India on nuclear tests and simultaneously announces MFN status for China

1998: Bill Clinton’s Secretary of State Madeleine Albright spews vitriol on India and calls India’s actions “felony against the future.”

1999: Bill Clinton tries to impose stringent labor standards on India that would destroy Indian businesses and eliminate competition for Clinton’s cronies

2000: Bill Clinton administration interferes in India and organizes hearing on “human rights violations” based on fabrications about violations of religious freedom

2000: Bill Clinton visits Pakistan on India trip and thus equates India with Pakistan and confers legitimacy on Musharaff who took power in a coup

2001: Hillary Clinton does not oppose Senate vote to remove sanctions on Pakistan

2001: USCIRF, a hate group and creation of Bill Clinton administration, spews vitriol and stereotypes Hindus as “serious violators of religious freedom” and demands that US government ensure that [forced] conversions be permitted in India

2002: USCIRF, a hate group and a creation of Bill Clinton administration, attacks India and Hindus and uses terms like “communal violence” while blaming Hindus; it simultaneously praises Musharaff for curbing “violence in the name of religion” in Pakistan. Note the careful usage of words to describe religious violence in Pakistan.

2003: Democrat Tom Daschle appoints anti-Hindu zealot Preeta Bansal to USCIRF, the hate group created by the Clinton administration, and is cheered by anti-Hindu Christian activists including the violent terrorist Jayachand Pallekonda

2003: Hillary Clinton supporter and India baiter Madeleine Albright, who was Bill Clinton’s Secretary of State, calls for a plebiscite in Kashmir

2004: Hillary Clinton exhibits bigotry and claims Mahatma Gandhi ran a gas station in St. Louis

2005: Hillary Clinton causes outrage by calling for India to give up nuclear program and reconcile itself to non-proliferation treaty

2005: Bill Clinton calls for giving aid money to terror group LTTE

2006: Hillary Clinton who is part of the Senate India Caucus stabs India in the back and votes YEA on ‘killer amendment’ to bill in US Senate that deals with Indo-US Nuclear deal; the amendment is intended to kill the deal and set back Indo-US relations by 30 years

2007: Hillary Clinton booed when she defends Musharaff and attacks Senator Obama for saying he would attack Pakistan and take out Osama bin Laden

2007: Hillary Clinton’s fundraiser is organizer of LTTE Heroes Day which celebrates terrorists

2008: Hillary Clinton once again attacks Senator Obama for promising to act against Pakistan for supporting terrorists

2009: Hillary Clinton says she is proud to release report of anti-Hindu hate group USCIRF which was formed on the advice of a Committee consisting of Christians, Muslims and others but not Hindus (Click here to read about Hindus alone being excluded by Bill Clinton when the Office of Religious Freedom was created)

2009: Hillary Clinton backs talks with Taliban

2009-2012: Hillary Clinton carries on a get-Modi campaign against Narendra Modi

2012: Hillary Clinton declares ‘religious freedom,’ a euphemism for Christian proselytism (primarily in the Indian subcontinent), a foreign policy imperative

2013: Clinton Global Initiative partners with anti-Hindu evangelical Christian group World Vision

2014: Bill Clinton friend and former Assistant Secretary of State Robin Raphel investigated by FBI for spying for Pakistan

2015: Huma Abedin, a key member of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign is the daughter of a Pakistani mother and her father worked for an Islamist in Saudi Arabia with ties to Al Qaeda

2015: Hillary Clinton’s running mate, Christian missionary and India-baiter Tim Kaine admits Pakistan has connections to terror group LeT but praises Pakistan for fighting terrorists and advises India to have a better relationship with Pakistan

2016: Clinton Foundation donor linked to Pakistani arrested for corruption and harboring terrorists

2016: Hillary Clinton picks Hindu-baiter and India hater Tim Kaine as VP running mate.
Oh but Donald Trump is worse onlee, because TFTA omniscient Western mainstream media says so, and who are we SDRE minorities to question them?

Talk about Stockholm Syndrome.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 22 Oct 2016 19:09

Austin wrote:from EWTN Q&A on US Election

a quote from Archbishop Chaput made earlier this week:

"or a scheming, robotic liar with a lifelong appetite for power and an entourage riddled with anti-Catholic bigots.

"In a nation where “choice” is now the unofficial state religion, the menu for dinner is remarkably small."

http://ewtn.com/v/experts/showresult.as ... bookmark=2

Rajiv Malhotra says when "Human Rights" were taking shape, one point that was opposed by Vatican, US, France, Germany & Italy jointly under leadership of pope was "...genocide of a culture or way of life....", they had it removed.

So regarding the underlined part, doesn't matter if hillary has anti-catholic people on her team, they are still Lord's evangelists, supporting genocide of Hinduism, digesting its Vedanta, Kathak, Yoga and Dhyana traditions under the leadership of likes of Leela Sampson.

That is why I say hillary is a stealthy genociding crusadress in F-35 mode, while boorish Trump is a loud A-10 type. And it is in interest of having Trump as president.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 22 Oct 2016 19:36

Rudradev wrote:It's OK, folks. Doesn't matter.

Islamophobia... or, as I prefer to call it, Islamo-realism in America is alive and well no matter what happens. Islam has ensured that all by itself, and will continue to do so.

Ironically, I think having a more Islam-pasand POTUS this time around will only make the impending Islamo-realist reaction even more popcorn-worthy when it finally erupts amongst the US masses.

Hopefully she will fail abjectly at reversing the economic slide, depleting trade and budget deficits, curbing unemployment and/or averting the next financial crisis. That will only add to how furious people become. Islam, meanwhile, will claw its way rabidly to the front of the line for scapegoats... just look at how many attacks there have been on US soil since Boston (San Bernadino, Orlando, NY/NJ). The pace and frequency are growing too rapidly for the thin fiction of "misguided lone wolves" to endure much longer. Blame will finally be placed where it belongs, and there will be nothing she or Abedin or Uzra Zeya can do to stem the consequences.

US-India relations meanwhile will bottom out under Hillary. She is just the sort of person who will look at the developing Russia-China axis, and its flirtation with Pakistan, to conclude that "Hindoo India needs us, therefore its concerns can be treated with cavalier dismissal and high-handed hectoring because we're the only game in town for them".

This, IMHO, will also be an extraordinarily good thing for India.

400% right.

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 23 Oct 2016 08:34

Original CNN poll you did not see

https://twitter.com/Daniel_Ohana/status ... 60/video/1

williams · Post by **williams** » 23 Oct 2016 11:18

Really a strange election in Masaland. Both candidates are risky from Indian foreign policy point of view. But HRC can be pulled towards Indian interests through well placed lobby regime. Trump is a crazy wild card. If Trump wins, India may loose out on trade. There may have some marginal gains on the strategic front. HRC is not a great choice, but the least risky one. All predictions indicate HRC will win. If Trump wins then it is a real turning point in American politics. I don't think the old guard establishment will allow that. I think GOI should be ready for the first American Madam President!

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 23 Oct 2016 12:37

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/789296990127427588

WikiLeaks Verified account
‏@wikileaks

There is no US election. There is power consolidation. Rigged primary, rigged media and rigged 'pied piper' candidate drive consolidation.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 23 Oct 2016 12:38

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/789482865360764928

DNC/CNN's @DonnaBrazile, who we exposed as rigging Sanders-Clinton debate, angrily snaps at reporters

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 23 Oct 2016 12:42

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/789629720509939712

No, Hillary, 17 U.S. Intelligence Agencies Did Not Say Russia Hacked Dem E-mails

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/44 ... ked-russia

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 23 Oct 2016 13:09

Ivanka Trump to attend Diwali celebrations

Dinesh S · Post by **Dinesh S** » 23 Oct 2016 14:10

Lalmohan wrote:no matter how awful you think hillary is, there is no way in hell anyone can say that trump offers a better alternative
the world is lurching to the right, if we are not careful it will go too far to the right - and thats not going to be good for anyone
need to get things back to the centre - by the least painful route

Of course, a soulless genocidal monster which is responsible for slaughter of hundreds of thousands and is responsible for Chaos and suffering of millions in middle east, all at the behest of her Israeli masters and nothing more, from creation of ISIS to toppling of Secular dictatorships in the middle east to replace it with wahabis, is obviously better than a someone who is just another ordinary average man , because the latter has no political correctness and expresses honest opinions.

Indian Americans voting for this soulless ghoul are worse than the UP/Bihar folks specially considering how much they trash talk about UP/ Bihar for identity politics. Disgusting.

I am not against identity politics. Everyone does it. The ones who bitch and moan about it in high horse in forums are usually the ones who engage it backdoors, hiding their identity politics behind something else, like how the upper castes bitch and moan about Jats/yadavs/dalits voting for mayawati/mulayam for being castists under the garb of those two being anti development and pro corruption while conveniently ignoring the 50+ years of corrupt,caste ridden, zero development upper caste dominated Congress rule . But this is a whole new level of hypocrisy even for them. I want to see these Indian Americans whine about UP/Biharis next time UP/Bihar doesn't vote like how they want. Seeing them do it will be like seeing a prostitute talking about importance of upholding chastity. It has always been like that but it will be much more apparant this time around.

As i said, this is what I love about this US election from indian context. It has exposed everyone for what they actually are underneath.

kit · Post by **kit** » 23 Oct 2016 14:22

Lalmohan wrote:are you sure that trump is not part of the deep state?

He is there to make sure Clinton wins .. and no other credible candidate from republican's come along

kit · Post by **kit** » 23 Oct 2016 14:23

Austin wrote:https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/789296990127427588

WikiLeaks Verified account
‏@wikileaks

There is no US election. There is power consolidation. Rigged primary, rigged media and rigged 'pied piper' candidate drive consolidation.

Precisely. .+1

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 23 Oct 2016 14:38

http://statisticalideas.blogspot.dk/201 ... s.html?m=1

Do you see anything wrong there? If you don't, then you have no business being around polling data.

The average margin of error on these 7 spreads shown is only 3%. Most polls should therefore be within a few percent of the 6% average spread that is advertised by media. But instead most are not!

For example, the difference between the highest Ms. Clinton spread and the lowest Ms. Clinton spread is >14 percentage points! And the standard deviation among these mainstream polls is 5%. So both have to be added together, and each is already higher than 3%! That's an unusual, impossible outcome through luck alone. Therefore something is misrepresented in the polls.

Also right now 2 of the 7 polls favor Donald (you just' don't hear about them), so double the 10-15% odds he is being given. In the final analysis of this trinomial data, on November 9 we'll look back and see only one poll being correct and most were flat out wrong. This evidence below is a breach of the probability theory behind proper polling, where most polls should see the correct spread within the margin of error interval (that's what the interval's definition must be!) If the margins are therefore completely busted, then so too are the egregious spreads that are seen to be all over the place (and mostly untrustworthy). Likely the correct expected spread right now is 4-5%, and the larger spreads are coming from pollsters that ironically also have the highest margin of errors (casting further suspicion on how close the election really is for Americans). We stand by our long-running estimate that the current probability for a Donald Trump victory is about in the 20% range, or twice what mainstream media is projecting. Of course that is low, but to some it's still a compelling 1 in 4 chance (and much different than some might expect given all the twists and turns this campaign season has brought us). It's also a better reflection of the true odds, versus those dished out by the same inane talking heads who recently gave you the Brexit "remain" prediction, or the NeverTrump prediction!

So there you have it as clearly shown as possible. If these margins of error are correct, then most polls would have the spreads located within a few percent of 6% (so 3%, to 9%). Yet the majority of the polls are outside of this 3%, to 9%, interval. Probabilistically impossible.

This is going to be like Brexit. Donald is most likely going to win.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 23 Oct 2016 15:00

Seeing from the lenses of Bharatiyataa :

1. CHINA ISSUE
a.) Trump has made some very aggressive remarks against china, has made noises about befriending Putin and Russia, this will reduce pressure on Russia to be a total poodle of China. EVEN IF LIKE EVERY POLITICIAN TRUMP IS A LIAR AND DOESN'T DO ANYTHING AGAINST CHINA AFTER WINNING, HE AT LEAST WON'T GO TOTALLY GULAAM TO CHINA.

b.) From bill cliton days and even hilary action, they've been nothing but total friends to china.

RESULT = TRUMP WINS BHARATIYA VOTE ON THIS ROUND

2.) PAKISTAN ISSUE
a.) Trump has made sounds on the lines of : "...We will take the help of Bharat in controling pakistan, I believe Bharat has a strong and big army..." NOW EVEN IF POLITICIAN TRUMP IS A LIAR LIKE ALL OTHERS, ATLEAST HE WON'T GO AS MUCH FAVOURING PORKIS AS HIS OPPOSER.
b.) I mean need anything be said regarding hilary-abedin, bill cliton past actions, their sell out to saudi-porki nexus.

RESULT = TRUMP WINS BHARATIYA VOTE ON THIS ROUND

3.) RELATIONS WITH BHARAT
a.) Let's face it our own home grown poisonous brigade of burka-sagarika-aruna roy are all in favour of Hillary, FOR A GOOD REASON FROM THEIR POINT-OF-VIEW.
b.) On nuclear testing = Trump may put sanctions against us, but only under pressure from deep state not because he is a big NP aytollah.
BUT BILL & HILARY ARE BIGGEST NP aytollahs. They'll try their level best to cap-rollback-end our capabilities.

RESULT = TRUMP WINS BHARATIYA VOTE ON THIS ROUND TOO

If we are lucky and Trump does all the things he says, that will bring a huge windfall for us Bharatvaasis. If all the businesses and world economy get down, the world needs to get a new world order, that will be a GOOD THING FOR BHARATVARSH, as current order is deeply rooted and set against us.

Although sadly I admit that Trump the politician won't be doing even 10% of what he is saying.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 23 Oct 2016 16:52

well some people here have potential to do karl rove on election night

mean-e-while, in real world - solid blue has already pushed into 270 and AZ and GA might flip if trend holds.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 23 Oct 2016 17:05

My query for the BRF members who are American citizens of Indian extraction and are expressing outright support for one candidate or the other.

If your favoured candidate becomes the next president and he/she proceeds to adopt a slew of anti-India measures, do you have any plans to counter them at your level? How would you go about it?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Oct 2016 19:15

^^^Any institutionalized anti-India measures must have a congressional vote on them. Which is unlikely to happen with either political party. What the executive branch can do is to deliberately put obstacles in the way in the form of trade and strategic matters. If the US congress has anti-India measures passed in both houses, on trade for example, POTUS could sign it instead of vetoing it.

In late 1995, the Clinton administration was spying on the Narsimha Rao govt. which was preparing for nuclear testing and confronted and threatened it as such. Another instance in the mid to late 1990s was that the Clinton administration looked the other way when US companies deliberately aided Chinese rocket launch capability after a major Chinese launch disaster in 1996 of the Long March rocket. In 1999, the Clinton administration had satellite intel on Pak forces crossing over near Kargil, but kept quiet. This was soon after the Shakti tests and the US was watching the Indian sub-continent very closely. The threat of Section 301 Trade Act of 1974 allows the US president to take retaliatory measures against a country POTUS deems that it is harming US businesses. The Clinton administration used that threat in the 1990s against India and the Obama administration is now high-lighting India about its pharmaceutical industry, but has not done anything. Expect an HRC administration get nasty about this.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 23 Oct 2016 19:38

^^ Thanks very much for the detailed info Mort WalkerJi, does explain a few things about what sort of anti-India measures or actions that will affect India adversely can be taken by the new US administration.

But this doesn't answer my question. Should the new US administration choose to pursue actions that are outright anti-India our impact us adversely, how would the BRF members who are American citizens of Indian extraction and are expressing outright support for one candidate or the other, respond?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Oct 2016 19:45

^^^You can see what others have done in the past. Many Indian origin people are busy with their jobs and businesses and such issues don't immediately affect their lives, so they really don't care. But that is being unfair, they do care but can't do anything about it.

At most there is letter writing and organizing petitions and so forth. There is also meeting with your local MP (congressman/woman and senator) about the issues at hand. Not much more beyond that. I will say the Mongolian yak herder has been successful about highlighting positions and bringing them to the forefront.

There is the argument that there are many Indian origin people working for HRC and will be in prominent positions as such. People like Nera Tandon is an HRC advisor and there are others. These people are Indian in name only and have nothing to do with India. Such people have been fully digested and are really just brown Americans. I have a simple test - ask these people if they wipe their ass or wash their ass? The later indicates they still have some Indian-ness in them.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 23 Oct 2016 21:50

Dinesh S wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:no matter how awful you think hillary is, there is no way in hell anyone can say that trump offers a better alternative
the world is lurching to the right, if we are not careful it will go too far to the right - and thats not going to be good for anyone
need to get things back to the centre - by the least painful route
Of course, a soulless genocidal monster which is responsible for slaughter of hundreds of thousands and is responsible for Chaos and suffering of millions in middle east, all at the behest of her Israeli masters and nothing more, from creation of ISIS to toppling of Secular dictatorships in the middle east to replace it with wahabis, is obviously better than a someone who is just another ordinary average man , because the latter has no political correctness and expresses honest opinions.

Indian Americans voting for this soulless ghoul are worse than the UP/Bihar folks specially considering how much they trash talk about UP/ Bihar for identity politics. Disgusting.

I am not against identity politics. Everyone does it. The ones who bitch and moan about it in high horse in forums are usually the ones who engage it backdoors, hiding their identity politics behind something else, like how the upper castes bitch and moan about Jats/yadavs/dalits voting for mayawati/mulayam for being castists under the garb of those two being anti development and pro corruption while conveniently ignoring the 50+ years of corrupt,caste ridden, zero development upper caste dominated Congress rule . But this is a whole new level of hypocrisy even for them. I want to see these Indian Americans whine about UP/Biharis next time UP/Bihar doesn't vote like how they want. Seeing them do it will be like seeing a prostitute talking about importance of upholding chastity. It has always been like that but it will be much more apparant this time around.

As i said, this is what I love about this US election from indian context. It has exposed everyone for what they actually are underneath.

+1
Read the interaction from "india-US relations" topic from 1 week ago and u will learn a few more things

habal · Post by **habal** » 23 Oct 2016 22:38

Gus wrote:well some people here have potential to do karl rove on election night

mean-e-while, in real world - solid blue has already pushed into 270 and AZ and GA might flip if trend holds.

my goodness, people already voted in the american banana republic ?

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 23 Oct 2016 23:19

If you are not aware of 538 site, you have no business pretending to be a serious US election observer.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Oct 2016 23:19

That's the graphics developed for the "Exit Poll" to come out at 5pm Eastern, to discourage voting in Nevada, Arizona, NM, Oregon and California. Oregon voting for Clinton? UBCN is calling the dividing line at just above Oregon. CA is huge, but chances of The Big One hitting in the next 2 weeks are right about as high as those of a nationwide Trump Recovery.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Oct 2016 23:28

Clearly, Hispanic vote in CA is all for Trump.