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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby ramana » 06 Jun 2018 21:18

kit and habal we can follow up in Indian interests thread....

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Parasu » 07 Jun 2018 00:46

So what is the price of Russian LNG that India is paying?

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby bahdada » 07 Jun 2018 07:43

Parasu wrote:So what is the price of Russian LNG that India is paying?


I believe they are paying us, as It's not Yanqui.
In fact the gas is so pure, Modi will be renaming the PMUY scheme to Putin Mitron Ujwala Yojana.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Suresh S » 07 Jun 2018 08:00

Great analysis by habal.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Philip » 08 Jun 2018 13:56

There was a apiece about how trade US sanctions against Russia and China could bring them closer together,it is happening,and the same warning by its own people at the top not to harass India on its ties with Russia,milware purchases,etc.lest it turn towards Russia and China too. India at the SCO as a full member will strengthen the grouping and perhaps cat as a catalyst for more Asian nations currently independent in thought and action to gravitate towards a potential triad-led coalition of the willing

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 08 Jun 2018 17:42

TASS: Interview with Indian Ambassador to Russia , Pankaj Saran

http://tass.ru/opinions/interviews/5274171

- Mr. Ambassador, in late May in Sochi, the first ever informal summit was held in the history of Russian-Indian relations. What was the reason for the convocation of an extraordinary meeting?


- I would call this summit a historic event. For the first time, most of the time, President Putin and Prime Minister Modi spent without delegations, in an informal atmosphere. They visited the children's educational center "Sirius", the cultural and ethnographic center in Krasnaya Polyana and held very productive negotiations. This summit showed a special warmth in the relations of the two leaders.

The convening of the extraordinary meeting was due to the fact that the parties wanted to exchange views on key global and regional issues, including the development of the situation in Afghanistan, Syria and Iran, as well as to consider some bilateral issues. Today, relations between Russia and India are important not only for ourselves, but also for the regions where our countries are located, as well as the entire world community. And we want to build a multipolar world, where India and Russia will contribute to global stability.

- In a statement of the Indian Foreign Ministry following the talks, it was noted that the parties agreed to intensify consultations and coordination on the issues of the Indo-Pacific region (TIR). How could you comment on this given that Russian officials have criticized the concept of engineering in the light of the resumption of the quadrilateral strategic dialogue between the United States, India, Japan and Australia?


- It is important not to confuse the Indo-Pacific region and the quadrilateral format. The essence of the concept of engineering was laid out by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in his speech at the security conference "Shangri-la Dialogue" on June 1 in Singapore. The Indian vision of the ITP is positive. The concept is open and inclusive, it is not directed against any country and is not aimed at deterrence.

An expanding partnership with Russia is an integral part of our Indo-Pacific policy. Speaking in Singapore, the Prime Minister mentioned that during their meeting with President Putin they discussed the importance of establishing a lasting multi-polar world. He also noted that the maturity of a particularly privileged strategic partnership with Russia is evidence of India's "strategic autonomy".

The US-Japan-India-Australia quadrilateral format is one of many multilateral dialogues in the region that is not directed against anyone. It is not part of the concept of the Indo-Pacific region, about which the Prime Minister spoke at the Shangri-La Dialogue.

- Have the S-400 SAM systems been discussed at an informal summit on the supply of SAMs to India? Can pressure from the US influence contract negotiations?

- The topic of the PTS was discussed at a meeting of the leaders. We are committed to all our agreements in this area, including the purchase of the S-400. India and Russia have a long history of military-technical cooperation, based on trust and mutual benefit. There have been no changes in New Delhi's approach to this area of ​​our partnership.

- Is it possible to expect the signing of an agreement on the supply of S-400 at the summit at the end of the year?


- I would not like to set a time frame. I can say that we have made significant progress in the negotiations.

- Previously, the media reported that India withdrew from the joint project with Russia to build a fifth generation FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft) fighter. Can you confirm this?

- I can only say that the negotiations are continuing, thanks to which there is already a clearer understanding of each other's priorities and plans for the future.

- Is the date of the annual bilateral summit agreed?


- The dates have not yet been announced, but we expect the summit to be held in October in India.

- What other meetings are planned in the coming months?


"Prior to the 19th annual summit, we expect to hold meetings of intergovernmental commissions on trade, economic, military and military-technical cooperation, as well as working groups within these commissions. Other meetings are possible at a high level. The leaders of Russia and India will meet at various multilateral venues, including the G20, the SCO, the BRICS and the East Asian Summit. This year will also host the first Russian-Indian summit on innovation and start-ups.

India and Russia have a long history of military-technical cooperation, based on trust and mutual benefit

In addition, we will launch a strategic economic dialogue between the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation and the National Institute of Transformation of India (NITI Aayog). This is a new initiative, an agreement on which was reached at the summit in late May. Unlike intergovernmental commissions, where practical issues are resolved, the priorities of economic policies of both countries, macroeconomic issues, strategic priorities of bilateral cooperation, including agriculture, finance, infrastructure, small and medium business will be discussed in the dialogue. One of the challenges remains insufficient attention to the economic component of our partnership. We hope that dialogue will help to solve this problem.

- Are the dates and venue of the dialogue already determined? Who will lead the Russian and Indian delegations?


- Now we are working on its format and agenda. If all the preparatory work is completed, the dialogue will take place until the next summit, most likely in St. Petersburg.

We expect that from the Indian side the dialogue will be headed by the vice-chairman of the National Institute of the Transformation of India Rajiv Kumar. It should be noted that the chairman of the Institute is Prime Minister Narendra Modi, that is, this is a very high level. It is planned that the Russian side will be headed by the Minister of Economic Development Maxim Oreshkin.

- How do you assess the dynamics of the development of Russian-Indian economic relations in the current year?


- I think that the dynamics was positive. The Minister of Trade and Industry of India, Suresh Prabhu, took part in the SPIEF. In the course of productive meetings with the Vice-Premier - Plenipotentiary Envoy of the President of the Russian Federation in the Far East Federal District Yuri Trutnev, Minister of Economic Development Maxim Oreshkin, Transport Minister Yevgeny Dietrich, Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov, the parties identified promising areas for further development of cooperation, such as agriculture, fertilizers, mineral resources, gold mining, diamond industry, civil aircraft construction, etc. We also would like to cooperate in the field of transport and logistics and invite Russian companies participate in the construction of industrial corridors in India.

Regarding the energy sector, I would like to note that India the other day received the first LNG lot for a long-term contract for the supply of 2.85 million tonnes of LNG per year. This is a historic stage in the creation of an energy bridge between India and Russia.

According to our data, last year bilateral trade increased by 20%. This growth was mainly due to an increase in exports from Russia to India of petroleum products, fertilizers, as well as equipment for nuclear power plants.

- I would like to raise the issue of the construction of the Ruppur NPP in Bangladesh. In what form will India participate in the project? Do Moscow and Delhi consider the possibility of implementing other joint projects in third countries?


- The tripartite agreement deals with various options for India's participation in the Ruppur NPP project, including training of personnel, participation in construction work, supply of equipment, and security. Companies will have to negotiate in order to decide in which form the cooperation will be implemented. As for the second question, the answer is yes. The two sides agree that India and Russia can work together in third countries in various fields, including nuclear energy and oil and gas. Negotiations are still at the initial stage.

Interviewed by Leyla Turayanova



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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Avarachan » 12 Jun 2018 09:20

Rudradev wrote:There is something specific about the S-X00 ADS that makes the US cr@p its pants.

Remember how they freaked out and screamed "red line" when there was even a chance that S-300 may get sold to Syria or Iran.

And right now it's specifically the S-400 sale that's being cited by the US in its threatening noises against India. They haven't moaned about BrahMos, FGFA, even nuclear submarines, but this system for some reason is of massive concern to them.

I think the truth is (and they know it)... the S-400 can quite reliably swat any Western 5th-gen moochine, F35/F22/EuroFighter/Rafale etc. out of the sky like macchhars. Not to speak of CMs and BMs. It puts a major hole in US/NATO control of escalation matrices because airstrikes and SLCM are among the first punitive military measures they resort to in their global policing.

In a sense it is as "destabilizing" to their threat matrix as India getting nukes. They're OK with China having nukes, and China having S-400 because their plans preclude any attempt to do an Iraq/Libya/Syria to China. But for India that IS an option they want to preserve. When we get the S-400 it's fundamentally disruptive to their calculus.


Rudradev, one curious thing I've noticed over the years is this. Nations targeted by the U.S. for a "color revolution" often experience droughts or other mysterious disturbances to the their ecologies/agricultural sectors/public health in the years prior. I wonder if this is the real reason for the U.S.'s fury over India's purchase of the S-400. The S-400 has no peer in the world regarding the targeting of very/extremely (VLO/ELO) stealthy aircraft.

I've been quite ill so I don't have the energy for a discussion, but those interested can research this. Be prepared to go down some very dark paths.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Trikaal » 12 Jun 2018 09:43

SAM systems threaten aircrafts. Outside Us/Israel, only Russia sells LRSAM systems that are moderately competent. It's not that S-X00 can reliably hit 5th gen aircrafts(i don't think it can hit F-22), it's that US doesn't want any sort of challenge if they are to do an iraq on iran or any other middle east countru.

Regarding India, they want India to buy Patriot. They want to completely replace Russia in Indian market thus fulfilling two goals of making india dependent and starving russia of funds. Hence all the rhetoric. I don't think it is anything as sinister as wanting to keep india week, it's more like wanting to keep india dependent so that it can bare fangs only to those that they approve.

Regarding not havingva problem with china acquiring S-400, they don't have a choice. China has grown so much that US doesn't have any sort of control over them anymore. They can't make China back off in South China sea, they can't make China stop trade with NK, they can't make china give in to their demands on trade. This is why the trade war, to bring back some sort of control. India is still a redeemable case for US which is why they don't want to lose control of it too. This is why strong decision making is so important right now.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Philip » 12 Jun 2018 12:53

One report said that the S- 400 missiles we're being offered are superior to those China has.Terminal " hittile" capability, no warheads.Hypersonic.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Parasu » 12 Jun 2018 16:30

bahdada wrote:
Parasu wrote:So what is the price of Russian LNG that India is paying?


I believe they are paying us, as It's not Yanqui.
In fact the gas is so pure, Modi will be renaming the PMUY scheme to Putin Mitron Ujwala Yojana.

I was curious about the price, but your reply will do. :D

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Parasu » 12 Jun 2018 16:38

US has pathological hatred for Russia. Its sickening.
They are trying to destroy the Russian mil-industrial complex via CAATSA type laws. If successful, that will leave US as the sole power with superior technology weapons. China is not there and will likely take another 50 years. Europeans have self-destructed their armaments industry.
When India refused to invest in FGFA, Putin probably believed India to have become a party to the American design. The Sochi summit has helped calm down the Russians.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby ramana » 12 Jun 2018 22:29

I wonder who in US lawmakers came up with that acronym.
And who did New Yorkers/Italian Americans agree to it!

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby RoyG » 12 Jun 2018 23:45

Parasu wrote:US has pathological hatred for Russia. Its sickening.
They are trying to destroy the Russian mil-industrial complex via CAATSA type laws. If successful, that will leave US as the sole power with superior technology weapons. China is not there and will likely take another 50 years. Europeans have self-destructed their armaments industry.
When India refused to invest in FGFA, Putin probably believed India to have become a party to the American design. The Sochi summit has helped calm down the Russians.


If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

All nations seek advantage over others even if that means subjugating/destroying them.

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Postby krishna_krishna » 13 Jun 2018 04:28

RoyG wrote:[

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

All nations seek advantage over others even if that means subjugating/destroying them.


We all know that, how does this contribute to this thread or is pertaining to India - Russia relations ?

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby RoyG » 13 Jun 2018 05:50

krishna_krishna wrote:
RoyG wrote:[

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

All nations seek advantage over others even if that means subjugating/destroying them.


We all know that, how does this contribute to this thread or is pertaining to India - Russia relations ?


Well whining about it certainly doesn't.

Let's not blow things out of proportion.

Not signing FGFA doesn't mean anything given our laundry list of Russian weapons in service and waiting to be inducted.

China is certainly not 50 years behind either.

India will simply carve out a niche for itself and facilitate the growth of Indian subcontinent/SE Asia.

It will use SCO and Western Alliance to do so.

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Postby kit » 13 Jun 2018 06:22

RoyG wrote:
Parasu wrote:US has pathological hatred for Russia. Its sickening.
They are trying to destroy the Russian mil-industrial complex via CAATSA type laws. If successful, that will leave US as the sole power with superior technology weapons. China is not there and will likely take another 50 years. Europeans have self-destructed their armaments industry.
When India refused to invest in FGFA, Putin probably believed India to have become a party to the American design. The Sochi summit has helped calm down the Russians.


If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

All nations seek advantage over others even if that means subjugating/destroying them.


The FGFA is coming .. to India guys. Most likely the MKI route. So future looks LCA1/2 MWF/MCA and FGFA/RAFALE

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Trikaal » 13 Jun 2018 07:15

I hope FGFA doesn't come to India. Every FGFA we buy is one less AMCA. I don't care if FGFA is better or not, if we keep buying we will never be self sufficient.

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Postby Katare » 13 Jun 2018 09:22

IAF doesn’t want it, DRDO cheif said “we are not involved” and HAL is not saying anything so how can it come? Where would it come from?

Atal ji, when he was the PM, in his poetic andaaz mein commented about FGFA “ ye to hona hi hai” two UPA and one NDA govt nikal gayee per ye abhi bhi sirf aa raha hai like a bad constipation.

Russians are not going to share their cutting edge technology with their biggest customer for products that they can sell us directly.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Bart S » 13 Jun 2018 15:15

Parasu wrote:US has pathological hatred for Russia. Its sickening.


Why should it be sickening for a sane, rational, INDIAN (leaving out Russi/Amriki fanboys from this category)?

Except for narrow areas where it might affect our interests, why should we care or get emotional if a bunch of white people want to fight each other to the death. We need to stay focussed on ourselves and our own interests.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Parasu » 13 Jun 2018 17:42

RoyG wrote:
Parasu wrote:US has pathological hatred for Russia. Its sickening.
They are trying to destroy the Russian mil-industrial complex via CAATSA type laws. If successful, that will leave US as the sole power with superior technology weapons. China is not there and will likely take another 50 years. Europeans have self-destructed their armaments industry.
When India refused to invest in FGFA, Putin probably believed India to have become a party to the American design. The Sochi summit has helped calm down the Russians.


If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

All nations seek advantage over others even if that means subjugating/destroying them.


Not all nations.
And anything abnormal has its side effects. US pathological hatred towards Russia is driving the rest of the world to sympathize with Moscow. I still have to see US having acquired any strategic advantage by f*cking up Ukraine or with CAATSA type laws.
In fact, its the American taxpayers who are now funding Ukraine.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Parasu » 13 Jun 2018 17:48

Bart S wrote:
Parasu wrote:US has pathological hatred for Russia. Its sickening.


Why should it be sickening for a sane, rational, INDIAN (leaving out Russi/Amriki fanboys from this category)?

Except for narrow areas where it might affect our interests, why should we care or get emotional if a bunch of white people want to fight each other to the death. We need to stay focussed on ourselves and our own interests.


By sickening, I only meant its abnormal. I dont care two hoots about US or Russia.
Here - dictionary -
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... /sickening

Bhailog,
please dont catch hold of a word and beat it to death.

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Postby Mort Walker » 13 Jun 2018 23:29

Philip wrote:One report said that the S- 400 missiles we're being offered are superior to those China has.Terminal " hittile" capability, no warheads.Hypersonic.


The S-400 is a pipe dream. It will be a decade plus before India gets the S-400. The Russians first have to make enough for themselves and then the Chinese who signed the deal back in 2014 and have only received shipment of just 1 battalion. The Russians don’t have the ability to for large scale industrial production. They are in the leagues of Italy and Spain. By 2025, the Chinese will have their own version of S-400 and crank them out like papads.

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Postby kit » 14 Jun 2018 00:10

Mort Walker wrote:
Philip wrote:One report said that the S- 400 missiles we're being offered are superior to those China has.Terminal " hittile" capability, no warheads.Hypersonic.


The S-400 is a pipe dream. It will be a decade plus before India gets the S-400. The Russians first have to make enough for themselves and then the Chinese who signed the deal back in 2014 and have only received shipment of just 1 battalion. The Russians don’t have the ability to for large scale industrial production. They are in the leagues of Italy and Spain. By 2025, the Chinese will have their own version of S-400 and crank them out like papads.


numbers : ~320 (as of October 2017, there were at least 320 launchers (41 artillery battalions) deployed in 21 regiments . (source Wiki)

Please check before you comment on "large-scale production"

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Postby Mort Walker » 14 Jun 2018 03:21

Is it the S-400 or really some variant like -200 or -300 ?

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Postby Philip » 14 Jun 2018 10:58

A recent report said that we were clearly being offered a much more sophisticated S-400 package than the Chinese with later variants of the missiles which have been sold to them.These advanced versions are probably why the US also wants to scuttle the deal as it would plug the hole in our missile defence especially from the soft under-belly of South India , where the US has its controversial WMD base and a host of other strat. bombers at DG .

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Postby Austin » 14 Jun 2018 11:34

Parasu wrote:US has pathological hatred for Russia. Its sickening.
They are trying to destroy the Russian mil-industrial complex via CAATSA type laws. If successful, that will leave US as the sole power with superior technology weapons. China is not there and will likely take another 50 years. Europeans have self-destructed their armaments industry.
When India refused to invest in FGFA, Putin probably believed India to have become a party to the American design. The Sochi summit has helped calm down the Russians.


The Europeans and Turkeys are also in the list of getting sanctioned due to JCPOA and Tarriff , The Indian and Chinese are facing the same tariff barrier , The Orange guy was indeed complaining 2 days back about India ......get ready for some more tariff on us :lol:

Indians will face pressure on CAATSA and JCPOA if we continue to deal with Iran and ofcouse tariff ......its America First now :rotfl:

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Postby Austin » 14 Jun 2018 11:49

Envoy credits Sushma Swaraj for strengthening Russia-India ties

Russia's Ambassador to India Nikolay Kudashev has said his country and India have a special and strategic relationship in the real sense of the word because of the efforts put in by External Affiars Minister Sushma Swaraj.

Speaking on the occasion of Day of Russia celebrations at the embassy on Tuesday evening, Ambassador Kudashev said, "The presence of Indian External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj at the celebrations to mark this day at the Russian Embassy in New Delhi not only reminded many of the glorious past which both countries so proudly cherish, but it also reflects the rebuilding of the trust, which according some quarters has been fading."

Ambassador Kudashev thanked Swaraj for her personal valuable contribution in strengthening bilateral ties and cooperation between India and Russia.

Commenting on the friendship that exists between the two countries, Ambassador Kudashev said, "It is heartening to note that one of the first major international initiatives taken by newly born Russia was the signing of the Treaty on Friendship and Cooperation with India on January 28, 1993. This year marks the 25th anniversary of the document, as well as the 71st anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between our countries, which are one of a kind, rich in substance and unique in terms of mutual respect, trust and benefit."

"Russia and India may proudly boast of their durable and multi-pronged ties, defining the true essence of a special and privileged strategic partnership. Annual summits, held alternately in two countries, are key events of the year providing major boosts to further advance of bilateral cooperation," Ambassador Kudashev added.

Recalling the meeting between President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Sochi last month, Ambassador Kudashev said, "We have seen recently a new phenomenon - an informal summit - meeting between President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Sochi last month, which I had a privilege to attend and witness, the next annual summit is set for this October in India."

"While celebrating the Day of Russia, we can proudly note that it is people-to-people contacts and mutual affinity that really makes the Russian-Indian friendship so strong. It comes as no surprise that it is our common goal to continue fulfilling the inexhaustible potential of Russia-India trade, investment, technological, scientific and cultural interaction as well as strengthening our cooperation multilaterally in the near future and beyond. Friendship and strategic partnership of Russia and India has all the prerequisites to thrive and blossom for the security and prosperity of not only our nations, but also the world at large," Ambassador Kudashev added

The Russian Embassy in New Delhi hosted a lavish reception on Tuesday evening to mark the day which saw the entire premises lit up in a colour theme matching with their national colors. The White Hall saw a gathering of hundreds of guests - influential Indian politicians and public figures, businessmen and officials, cultural and scientific celebrities, activists of Russian-Indian friendship societies, journalists and representatives of Russian companies.

The celebration was also attended by diplomats from various countries.

Highlighting the India-Russia friendship, Praveen Pathak, spokesperson, BrahMos Aerospace, said, "India-Russia relations are time tested. If there was any country which supported India during sanctions was only Russia. We got all the support from Russia. India reciprocated in the same way and stood by Russia in 90s when Russia was going through a difficult period. Joint ventures like Brahmos, which emerged in 1998 supported Russian defense industries and defense institutions in a big way."

"In fact, the first launch of Brahmos took place on 12th June 2001, on Russia Day. Today Brahmos is a shining example of India-Russia cooperation in the field of defense, which has been recognized by President Putin and PM Modi around the globe,"Said Praveen Pathak, spokesperson, BrahMos Aerospace.

Udit Raj, Lok Sabha MP from North West Delhi, said, "Russia is our natural friend. But in later years we were more tilted towards western countries and the U.S. It is our mental block, which need to be broken. There are tremendous business opportunities in Russia which need to be explored. Now, time has come to strengthen friendly relations and to promote people's diplomacy between India and Russia to new high.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

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Message of #Indian Minister of External Affairs Smt. @SushmaSwaraj on the National Day of the Russian Federation

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