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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby vijayk » 14 Aug 2019 20:01

Thinking if we need a distraction like for our traitorous media so that they take their eyes off Kashmir. May be some huge scam/swiss account of Ahmed Patel and arrest him .
They know this is the end of $$ONIA/PAPPU and resistance of traitors/paychecks from ISI if this passes off peacefully. There is a reason why @suhasinih @nidhi, @sheilarashid @bdutt and all other Paki agents started singing let all restrictions go because they hope to see dead bodies and lots of them in order to do nautanki in NYT/WaPo/CNN/BBC and finally lead Imran to UN/US.

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Postby nam » 14 Aug 2019 21:02

Pak would want world attention and the way to get it is through a crisis.

I am expecting a attack across the loc. The objective is to link a ceasefire to 370 rollback.

They will try to keep it within POK so that Indian respone can be white washed from their awaam.

For the time being looks like they are looking for a victim hood story..

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Postby Vikas » 14 Aug 2019 21:29

menon s wrote:Was watching Dimrans speech from, PORK.
He seems to be at his wits end.....the so called pm of azad kashmir raja farooq haider (aka head chaprasi at Mirpur brigade HQ) said something

strange " Sir, aaj Kashmir ka baari, kal hamaari hai" ........ :lol:

and then dimran set off .....Modi, rss, muslimphobia, nazi ideology, hitler, ....how muslims donot fear death....etc etc.....and in the end.......there is going to be a war and if the international community, donot interfere.....there will be a nuke war and everyone will be responsible.........


Very surprising that there was no mention of Israel in his blabbering. Normally Pakis are fist one to compare Indian actions in Kashmir with Jew state. Who in local audience would understand or care about Hitler and Nazi.
The way he was thundering and blundering, Almost sounded like as if he was addressing a Jalsa from a container criticizing the central govt.
The other moronic speakers were almost ready to pack up and leave for border (damn! Paki Army is shit scared). There was clear fear and expectation that Hindustan would take over POK sooner than later.

What is with Pakis that they can't pronounce Modi, it almost sounds like Moody.

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Postby Vikas » 14 Aug 2019 21:37

nam wrote:Pak would want world attention and the way to get it is through a crisis.
I am expecting a attack across the loc. The objective is to link a ceasefire to 370 rollback.
They will try to keep it within POK so that Indian respone can be white washed from their awaam.
For the time being looks like they are looking for a victim hood story..


Would Pakis really take a chance with cross border action on Ceasefire line knowing that NM really has no patience for Pakis and that with almost no economy, just one threatening action by IA/INS would render $6B useless. But knowing them, who knows there is another Mushy-rat trying to pull the rug and hoping to become next Saladin.

Clowns do not realize that with just one move, Modi Ji has tied his own hands and hands of any future govt. Even if they want, They can not rollback the clock and give back 370/35 to J&K nor can Ladakh be merged back into J&K.
Its a master stroke of the similar strategy which PVNR used to make parl resolution about J&K state and then feign helplessness about discussing future of J&K with western powers.

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Postby CRamS » 14 Aug 2019 21:48

^^^ TSP will do something, no doubt about it. Maybe they will take their time to plan and wait till India relaxes things a bit, and then it might puts treachery into action. What worries me more is that any action by TSP will find spread support within India, especially opposition traitors and 'activists' which will be amplified many times over by BBC/CNN etc.

As was the case since Aug 5, Indian security forces holding fort and not allowing TSP to succeed is absolutely vital. No wonder Doval has camped in the valley to oversee the security preparedness.

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Postby pankajs » 14 Aug 2019 22:00

Vikas wrote:
menon s wrote:Was watching Dimrans speech from, PORK.
He seems to be at his wits end.....the so called pm of azad kashmir raja farooq haider (aka head chaprasi at Mirpur brigade HQ) said something

strange " Sir, aaj Kashmir ka baari, kal hamaari hai" ........ :lol:

and then dimran set off .....Modi, rss, muslimphobia, nazi ideology, hitler, ....how muslims donot fear death....etc etc.....and in the end.......there is going to be a war and if the international community, donot interfere.....there will be a nuke war and everyone will be responsible.........


Very surprising that there was no mention of Israel in his blabbering. Normally Pakis are fist one to compare Indian actions in Kashmir with Jew state. Who in local audience would understand or care about Hitler and Nazi.
The way he was thundering and blundering, Almost sounded like as if he was addressing a Jalsa from a container criticizing the central govt.
The other moronic speakers were almost ready to pack up and leave for border (damn! Paki Army is shit scared). There was clear fear and expectation that Hindustan would take over POK sooner than later.

What is with Pakis that they can't pronounce Modi, it almost sounds like Moody.

Re-listen to the whole speech again and you will notice that it was directed bestwards. Also note the tone and tenor.
1. No Israel 'cos that will piss US off.
2. Mudi/RSS == Hitler/Nazi, again signalling best wonlee. Hilter/Nazi represent evil in its purest form for the best.
3. One place instead of India he uttered "Hindu" but immediately corrected it. I don;t remember any other reference to Hindu in the whole speech.

Just prior to that I had listened to one baki channel recording. It was full of Hindu, Kuffar, Jasba, saheeds, yad, yada .... Now this one was aimed at domestic audience.

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Postby Sandrokottos » 14 Aug 2019 22:18

CRamS wrote:^^^ TSP will do something, no doubt about it. Maybe they will take their time to plan and wait till India relaxes things a bit, and then it might puts treachery into action. What worries me more is that any action by TSP will find spread support within India, especially opposition traitors and 'activists' which will be amplified many times over by BBC/CNN etc.

As was the case since Aug 5, Indian security forces holding fort and not allowing TSP to succeed is absolutely vital. No wonder Doval has camped in the valley to oversee the security preparedness.


Why are you so obsessed with the presstitutes. They have tried their best and we won. They will keep trying their best and will still stomp them into dust. With each passing day, their numbers and coffers are dwindling. This desperation of theirs is amply evident in their pathetic quest for protests in kashmir. Let them flail and rave. Just sit back and enjoy. The times be hard for them.

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Postby mmasand » 14 Aug 2019 22:35

For those saying he didn't mention Israel, here is his tweet

https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status ... 51200?s=09
This is the RSS ideology that threatens not just Kashmiris or Pakistan or even just Indian Muslims, Christians & Dalits but India itself as envisaged by its Founding Fathers.
https://t.co/Xn1ctcBrWJ

Link to 'Hitler's Hindus', an adaptation of Mein Kampf

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Postby sanjaykumar » 14 Aug 2019 22:39

What is with Pakis that they can't pronounce Modi, it almost sounds like Moody.


They can't pronounce Narendra either, they say Narinder.

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Postby chetak » 14 Aug 2019 22:53

twitter

Meanwhile in a Pakistan school :

Teacher : Recite all the alphabets
Student : ABCDEFGHILMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

Teacher : You forgot J & K?
Student : Getting used to it !!!

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Postby ramana » 14 Aug 2019 23:27

nam wrote:Pak would want world attention and the way to get it is through a crisis.

I am expecting a attack across the loc. The objective is to link a ceasefire to 370 rollback.

They will try to keep it within POK so that Indian response can be white washed from their awaam.

For the time being looks like they are looking for a victim hood story..


I know it feels like we all should think like a Paki Red Team modeling.
But Pak options have been taken away.
Every move will backfire.
Its like checkmate.

Eg. if they cross LOC they lose all POK.
If they cross IB they lose Pakistan.

They need a small coup to hang Imran and Bajwa (to satisfy the awaam or else it will be more) and start settling down by disbanding their large armed forces. Strengthen police forces to deal with drugs, crime and mullahs.

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Postby ramana » 14 Aug 2019 23:33

CRamS wrote:^^^ TSP will do something, no doubt about it. Maybe they will take their time to plan and wait till India relaxes things a bit, and then it might puts treachery into action. What worries me more is that any action by TSP will find spread support within India, especially opposition traitors and 'activists' which will be amplified many times over by BBC/CNN etc.

As was the case since Aug 5, Indian security forces holding fort and not allowing TSP to succeed is absolutely vital. No wonder Doval has camped in the valley to oversee the security preparedness.



Will address only bold and underlined part.
have you seen the mandate of 2019 elections?
I over 200 seats of the 303 the people voted more than 50% for BJP.
The NDA got 353 MPs. And even where they lost the margins were small.
And Jihadidi was confined to greater Kolkata and even that too by that flase flag attack on Vidyasagar statue.
Congress is a party in Kerala and TN. Even here only because extra factors and not their support.

Basically its resounding vote for nationalism.
So actions by TSP wont find any hawa in India.
on the other hand they will in Sm and here.
Basically we don't believe in our own leaders leading to his second guessing.

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Postby vijayk » 15 Aug 2019 00:05

ramana wrote:
CRamS wrote:^^^ TSP will do something, no doubt about it. Maybe they will take their time to plan and wait till India relaxes things a bit, and then it might puts treachery into action. What worries me more is that any action by TSP will find spread support within India, especially opposition traitors and 'activists' which will be amplified many times over by BBC/CNN etc.

As was the case since Aug 5, Indian security forces holding fort and not allowing TSP to succeed is absolutely vital. No wonder Doval has camped in the valley to oversee the security preparedness.



Will address only bold and underlined part.
have you seen the mandate of 2019 elections?
I over 200 seats of the 303 the people voted more than 50% for BJP.
The NDA got 353 MPs. And even where they lost the margins were small.
And Jihadidi was confined to greater Kolkata and even that too by that flase flag attack on Vidyasagar statue.
Congress is a party in Kerala and TN. Even here only because extra factors and not their support.

Basically its resounding vote for nationalism.
So actions by TSP wont find any hawa in India.
on the other hand they will in Sm and here.
Basically we don't believe in our own leaders leading to his second guessing.


I understand what you are saying.

What makes the ITALIAN clan trying to provoke KMs so openly and try to side with ISI plan so non-chalantly?

Normally all politicians worry about consequences of openly siding against their nation. Here PAPPU and $onia are provoking against India openly and daringly. Is it because they considers India and Indians are chootiyas and can't do anything to them because of the protection ring they have? Do they think no one in judiciary can dare touch them?

Yesterday her NAC Jean Dreaze tried to hold a press conference to provoke Kashmiris to violence thru a press conference. He is doing his duty for $onia

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Postby ssundar » 15 Aug 2019 00:49

vijayk wrote:What makes the ITALIAN clan trying to provoke KMs so openly and try to side with ISI plan so non-chalantly?


Might want to find SuSwamy's explanation of how ISI gained leverage in India. All these clans have their hands tied. They have no choice.

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Postby Rudradev » 15 Aug 2019 00:51

I think there's something we need to observe and understand here.

During Pulwama-Balakot-Nowshera, there was hardly any attention paid in the Western media to events in the subcontinent. Some faaltu "OSINT" types in Aus, Canada, UK were paid by the Pakis to write stories alleging that the Balakot strikes were a dud; but only we noticed this. In the overall Western MSM nobody cared.

By contrast, the Article 370 abrogation has brought about very sharp and continuing displays of consternation in the Western MSM. Opeds abound especially in the left-leaning MSM: NYT, CNN, BBC, WaPo, Vox, NYMag, The Atlantic, ALL of them parroting the Paki position relentlessly.

I honestly do not remember such volume and intensity of anti-India hostility in Western MSM since Operation Parakram.

Now think about this for a minute. IF the spectre of "nuclear flashpoint" was INDEED the West's major cause for concern regarding stories about India-Pak tension... does it not make sense that Pulwama-Balakot-Nowshera, as the possible starting point to open war, should be MUCH MORE concerning to Western Media than the mere abrogation by GOI of a temporary provision in the Indian Constitution?

I say it does.

Therefore, Conclusion #1: The Western Media Discourse on India and Pakistan is NOT, as it claims to be, primarily motivated by fears of "nuclear war" or "nuclear flashpoint" or any such thing. Western policymakers USE these pretexts as excuses to drum up popular opinion in line with their point of view... but in reality, this particular concern is as bogus as "Iraqi WMDs" in 2003.

Second point. During Pulwama-Balakot-Nowshera, DGISPR, Pakistani embassies, usual-suspect Paki mouthpieces and press-leakers and "unnamed sources" were in OVERDRIVE trying to gin up Western media coverage sympathetic to Pakistan and painting India as the aggressor. This largely failed. As I mentioned, the whole episode went by largely unnoticed in the West's popular consciousness.

This does not appear to be the case now. The propaganda blitz against India over 370-Abrogation is much, much more extensive. It is much more focused, much more widespread, much more relentless. Which means that there is a lot more money, organization, and effort going into bashing India now than there was during February-March this year.

So if we say that (Paki Effort = MAX) produced relatively little and short-lived coverage of Indian subcontinent in Western MSM during Pulwama-Balakot-Nowshera, then the much more intensive, motivated coverage that we see now CANNOT be a function of (Paki Effort= MAX) alone. It is a function of {(Paki Effort = MAX) + X}.

What is that X, that was not operating in Feb/March but is fully operational now to greatly boost Paki propaganda efforts against India in Western MSM?

This brings us to Conclusion #2: Factors above and beyond the maximum capacity of the Pakistani establishment are now operating to advance anti-India propaganda in Western Media; these factors are indeed critically important to the dissemination and maintenance of such propaganda, which the best efforts of the Pakistani establishment by itself could not manage to achieve.

There are two principal suspects here for "X", one or both of which are in full attack mode in a way that they were not during Pulwama-Balakot-Nowshera.

1) Indian Political Parties such as the INC and its Lutyens-Left/Urban-Naxal/5-Star-Islamist lobby. In February they were busy campaigning for the 2019 GE. Now they have nothing to lose and have thrown the entire weight of their funding, international patronage networks, and propaganda apparatus towards Pakistan's lobbying efforts. They have far more cachet in the West than Pakistan (after 18 years of "War on Terror") retains. They have far more credibility in Media, Academia, and Governmental institutions in the West than the present GOI has. They are best positioned to have made the difference, and also have the most likely motivation (doom any effort by Modi and Shah to failure, no matter at what cost to India).

2) US Wilsonian Deep State players like George Perkovitch, Robert Einhorn, Henry Kissinger, Michael Krepon, James Woolsey, Milt Bearden and their chelas. These people have always upheld the notion of US-China G2 geopolitical primacy and have consistently viewed the support of Pakistan over India as a necessary condition to maintain it. The trouble is that these fellows' interventionist views fell out of favor with Trump Sarkar, with its relative fondness for Russia and its distaste for both China and Pakistan.

However, the recent compulsion of Trump Sarkar to claim successful withdrawal of US military from Afghanistan has provided an opening for these Wilsonian snakes to regain some of their currency in Washington policymaking circles. No sooner did the thought enter Trump's mind that Pakistan could help him claim an election-winning withdrawal from Afghanistan, than the Wilsonians rushed to offer their assistance (born of long-term contacts and cooperation with Islamabad). They have been in the shadows from 2014 to now but they are back in full force... we can see their influence at play in exactly the types of media propaganda outlets that have been activated post August 5th.

There may be other factors contributing to "X" as well. Knee-jerk virtue-signaling by European (especially UK) Social Democrats, potentially angling for the Muslim vote in their own countries. Also, an overall realization even among non-Wilsonian US foreign policy circles that a rising India under Modi presents a greater challenge than anything it has seen in 30 years, perhaps greater than ever before. However, I think the above two parties (and especially the INC) have made all the difference this time around.

Time to keep a close eye on how things develop.

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Postby UlanBatori » 15 Aug 2019 01:22

Israeli perspective. (Jhapad-wise, ranks at 9+/10)

Kindly use your SoMed tentacles to spread far & wide, thanks!

History
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What They’re Not Telling You About Modi Revoking Kashmir’s Autonomy
Under autonomy Islamists drove out Kashmiri Hindus, while in Pakistani Kashmir Kashmiris are long a minority to Punjabi settlers
Israel Shamir12 Aug 19 382 2

Editor’s note: The side of the story you’re hearing is that autonomy revocation will result in Hindu Indians from elsewhere now flooding the region and coming to outnumber the Muslim Kashmiris, but this contrarian view points out that at the very least that is no worse than what happened in Pakistani-administered Kashmir where Kashmiris have long been outnumbered by Punjabi settlers but this is seen as of no consequnce because both are Muslim. It seems that if Indian Kashmir had ended up in Pakistan it may have likewise been Punjabi by now.

Daring Narendra Modi, the Prime Minister of India, has killed a sacred cow, called Article 370 of the Constitution, enshrining the autonomy of Kashmir. The consequences could be dire, including the fourth India-Pakistan war, but not necessarily so. It could also be a successful scheme. Apparently, Narendra Modi had been encouraged by his success in recent elections, by his decent relations with the three powerful men of our age, Trump, Putin and Netanyahu; and by the rearmament and modernisation of India’s armed forces. So he decided to go for the root of the age-long Kashmir problem, instead of treating its symptoms, and terminate the special status altogether, giving the people of Kashmir the same rights as all Indian citizens have, not more, neither less.

Kashmir, a chain of pleasant green mountain valleys, was the most cherished patrimony of the Great Mughals, who embellished it with palaces and gardens. Here the Muslims and Hindus have lived together in peace and harmony. A blessed country, if there ever was one, Kashmir could flourish if this peaceful coexistence had survived. Alas, it did not. Frequent riots, separatism and imported Islamic extremism have made life difficult for everybody.

The Hindus were forced to leave Kashmir; many Muslims had left too, rather than having to serve the firebrand insurgents. Their empty, ruined or burned down houses still stick out in Srinagar and elsewhere, though many of the properties were sold for a song during the insurgency.

Ceaseless meddling of Pakistan and political Islamists who refused to accept the results of the Partition is the main reason why Kashmir is in trouble. The majority of Kashmiris are Muslims and were Muslims in 1947, but they did not want to join the newly formed Pakistan. The Islamist textbooks claim that the Hindu Maharaja of Kashmir decided to accede to India against the wishes of the population; however this is propaganda, not a fact. The people of Kashmir were not very fervent Muslims; the idea of living separately in a purely Muslim state did not appeal to them. Ethnically and linguistically they are related to local Hindus, they share the same family names and the ancestry. They wanted to be independent, but facing Pakistani invasion, they preferred to join pluralist India.

There is a big difference between the Muslims who are native converts, and those who came to a foreign land as Muslim invaders. The first kind is flexible and absorbable; the second kind is hard and fervent.

The Muslims of Indian Kashmir are mainly of the first kind; the Muslims of the Western Kashmir are mainly of the second kind. They are descendants of the invaders who came from Afghanistan. They were enthusiastic about Pakistan, and joined it. Now they live in Azad Kashmir, the Pakistani part of the old princely state.

The Partition was bad, but bearable. It followed some logic. But Pakistan was not satisfied with the results of the war: their raison d’être was to gather all the Muslims of the subcontinent in one purely Muslim state.

That’s a common problem of states based on a principle instead of ad hoc tradition. They want to “liberate” other lands that fit their idea. Thus, the young US had tried to “liberate” Canada from the British colonial rule in 1812; independent Chechnya had tried to “liberate” neighbouring Dagestan in 1999; Russians had tried to “liberate” Slavs of the Balkans from the Ottoman rule. Eventually, they all had to adjust their sights or perish.

Pakistan should also get used to it and back off its claim for all the Muslims of former British India. They clearly and demonstrably failed: two hundred million Muslims live in India; one hundred sixty million live in Bangladesh, and only one hundred eighty million in Pakistan. But they still keep trying to get Kashmir, as this cause is used to mobilise unhappy dwellers of Pakistan. Their population grew five-fold since the Partition, and this fast growth smothered their chances to make a decent living. That’s why they need a cause to rally people around.

Cancellation of the special status makes a lot of sense. Since the Partition, the religious fanatics and ethno-nationalists of the hardest kind came to the top and stayed there. A few prominent local families treated the state as their fief. A lot of nepotism, no democracy, no social lifts. The autonomy miserably failed to satisfy the people. Opening the state up could improve the Kashmiris’ lot.

The main objection to Modi’s move had been demographic, something that the US whites, and the Europeans can understand and sympathise with. Article 370 forbade non-Kashmiris from buying houses or lands and settling in Kashmir. With the cancellation of 370, Indians might migrate into Kashmir, and they might replace the Muslims, said Pakistan’s Prime Minister Imran Khan. “The removal of special status would allow India to change the demographic make-up of the Muslim-majority state.”

That’s awful! Wait! Isn’t it the dreadful Great Replacement Theory, the one that had “inspired alt-right killers the world over”, in words of a nice Jewish girl, Rosa Schwartzburg, an MA in Gender Studies and an expert on white supremacist conspiracy theories? Or it is only American whites and Europeans who are not allowed to dread the change of the demographic make-up?

It seems, the Islamists object to the changes of the demographic make-up when the Muslims are in majority, and consider such changes desirable when they are in minority. Kashmir is the place where this asymmetric approach is most obvious.

It is almost forgotten that the Muslim predominance in Indian Kashmir had been achieved by expulsion of the native non-Muslims, the Kashmiri Pandits, an expulsion as violent and unjustifiable as Palestinian Nakba.

At first, there was a Hindu-Muslim conflagration that resulted in the Partition. Still, the Hindu refugees quickly came back to the Valley after the battles were over. Peace had returned, but not for long. The American meddling in Afghanistan in 1970s-80s had undermined Kashmir’s stability. Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter’s own John Bolton, advised his well-meaning but inept president to encourage the Islamist insurgency in order to embroil the Russians in the fire of guerrilla war in neighbouring Afghanistan. Pakistan was the main springboard of the war: the mujahidin of Osama bin Laden’s ilk attacked the Russians and the then Kabul government from their safe bases in Pakistan. After slaughtering shameless female teachers and social workers, the Islamic jihadis would return to Pakistan, under protection of the ISI. Sparks of the insurgency ignited a fire in Kashmir, and soon the villages and towns were engulfed by fratricidal struggle.

As the Russians withdrew from Afghanistan, and the US Islamist allies took over and slaughtered those who behaved un-Islamic way. After the takeover, they took the torch of Jihad to Indian Kashmir.

“The events of 19 January 1990 were particularly vicious. On that day, mosques issued declarations that the Kashmiri Pandits were Kaffirs and that their males had to leave Kashmir, convert to Islam or be killed. Those who chose to depart were told to leave their women behind”, says Wikipedia, quoting an Indian source. That was just a conclusive strike for the long campaign of ethnic cleansing in Indian Kashmir, where non-Muslims were expelled by the Islamists. It happened under Congress rule, which probably explains why the party of Nehru and Gandhi had been voted out so definitely.

Since then, moderate or lapsed Muslims had been increasingly moving elsewhere, within India and abroad, while Kashmir, protected by 370, and heavily influenced by neighbouring Pakistan, had been ruled by their traditional established seven families and the Muslim priests (ulema). Autonomy didn’t led to democracy, other way around.

It is very annoying that some Kashmir partisans claim that Kashmir case is similar to that of Palestine. Here is occupation, they say, and there is occupation. There is absolutely no similarity between Kashmir and Palestine. Kashmir is a part of India; Indian Kashmiris have all rights of Indian citizens, they can move freely in all India; they have Indian passports. This is not the case of Palestine: Palestinians in Palestinian territories have no Israeli citizenship, have no right to move freely or to settle even on their own land. They may not dig a well or fly out of Israeli airport. A Kashmiri has it as good as any Indian, while nobody claims that a Palestinian has it as good as an Israeli Jew. The Indian army in Kashmir protects Kashmiris from jihadis; the Israeli army in Palestine fights Palestinians for the benefit of Jews.

Still, the cause of Kashmir has many supporters in our circles in the West. We became used to defending Muslims when they are attacked by the Empire; this habit is hard to kick. Even such good journalists as Pepe Escobar keep comparing the Modi’s move with Israeli actions in Palestine. Life is more complicated than a comic strip. Islamist insurgency is hell for ordinary Muslims first of all, as we learned in Syria. They are more likely to intimidate a Muslim who does not frequent a mosque than to upset a Jew. And the Muslims, being usually a nice lot, are easily manipulated by their fanatic coreligionists.

There is no simple formula suitable for all situations, but the elimination of Islamic Chechnya by Putin in 2000 has definitely been good for the Chechens. China fights to undo the Islamist scourge within their Uygur community, and that will be certainly good for the Uygur people. President Assad is trying to rid his country of the assorted jihadis, in the interests of Syria’s heterogenic population.

On the other hand, Islamic Taliban does a good job fighting NATO occupation and drug lords in Afghanistan; HAMAS valiantly defends Gaza in teeth of Jewish aggression; Hezbollah fighters keep Lebanese sovereignty and Syrian integrity; Islamic Republic of Iran is the sturdy pivot of the Axis of Resistance. I’ll repeat: there is no simple formula suitable for all situations.

However, if Modi’s act will work out, Russia and China could take it as a model for themselves. There are too many ethnic autonomy areas in these two giant states, and each of them is a petard waiting for the Western miner to explode. China had to suppress the Tibetan autonomy; perhaps the autonomy of Hong Kong and Xinjiang will be next in line. Russia is now in the process of cleaning its exceedingly corrupt autonomous Dagestan.

In Western Europe, too, ethnic autonomy is a way to trouble. Spanish Catalonia has autonomy and it’s dissatisfied, rebellious and separatist. French Catalonia has no autonomy and doing fine; no separatism at all. The reason is simple: ethnic autonomous areas produce native leadership that will forever play on nationalist feelings. This form of organisation is old-fashioned and out-dated, unsuitable in our age.

Some Western activists ingeniously argue that their support for Muslim Kashmir is not a case of Muslims vs. Hindu at all; rather, the case of natives vs. foreigners, and Indians are foreign to Kashmir. Let us disregard for a while that the same activists are usually strongly opinionated against what they call ‘nativism’ in Europe and the US. If they sincerely believe in what they preach, they should pay attention to the Pakistani Kashmir. Everything they are afraid of regarding Indian Kashmir, already had happened in Pakistani Kashmir, where the Muslim Kashmiris had lost their positions under Muslim rule.

After the Partition, the old princely state of Kashmir had been split into Pakistani and Indian parts, approximately of equal size. The fate Imran Khan fears will befell the Kashmiris under Indian rule had already become the fate of Pakistan’s Kashmiris. They became a minority in their land. The majority in Azad Kashmir are Punjabis who moved in from elsewhere in Pakistan. The second largest tribe migrated from Pashtun areas. The Kashmiris are now ninth or tenth community by size in the pecking order in their ancestral land.

In Indian Kashmir, there is large presence of the army fighting the Pakistan-supplied insurgency and protecting peaceful Kashmiris. In Pakistani Kashmir, there is no need for army, as the ethnic replacement had been completed. As for autonomy, the Pakistani Kashmir has none, but in name. From every point of view, India treated Kashmiris much better than Pakistan.

There is absolutely no reason to accept Pakistani claims. What they did to Kashmiris is worse than whatever could be done by India’s Modi. Saying all that, it is still premature to predict what will come out of Modi’s move. Meanwhile he plays safe. There are many troops; internet had been cut off; public gatherings forbidden. Pakistan is not rushing into war; they have no money for a new war. Probably they will apply to India their usual strategy of “death by thousand cuts”. Much depends on the people of Indian Kashmir. They can have a brilliant future on a par with their magnificent past, but they should reject Pakistani incitement and embrace their Indian brethren, as their grandparents did in the stormy 1947.
Read also http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Eng39.htm – a report of my travel to Kashmir a few years ago.
And to Ladakh: http://www.unz.com/ishamir/buddhas-nativity-in-ladakh/
Source: The Unz Review


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Postby Rudradev » 15 Aug 2019 01:24

^^ Link to above article, please, UBji.

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Centre on Monday wrote to Twitter asking it to take down as many as eight handles allegedly peddling fake news and spreading misinformation about the situation in the Valley, officials said.
Later in the day, news agency PTI reported that Twitter has suspended “four handles for allegedly spreading anti-India propaganda on Jammu and Kashmir.”
According to officials, suspension of Twitter handles was taken up by the Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology. The governme ..
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Is this for real? Honestly, I have **NEVER** seen pics/video of Srinagar except stone-throwers, slum-like streets and IED-aftermaths. Plus of course "Dal Lake" fools floating on sewage.

This is absolutely stunning: video footage of Srinagar from a drone?
https://twitter.com/hussain_imtiyaz/sta ... 6950098944

Indian taxpayers paid for this sort of infra and all those rich ppl plying fancy cars? Time to cut off the baksheesh and tell the stone-throwers to get jobs or move to PORK.

Incidentally, the twitter handle seems to be by
Imtiyaz Hussain
@hussain_imtiyaz
J&K Police Officer,Tweeting in personal capacity.RTs,Followings don’t constitute endorsements.
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Postby UlanBatori » 15 Aug 2019 01:42

Rudradev wrote:^^ Link to above article, please, UBji.

Came by email, sorry. Will post a link as possible, to Israel Shamir's blog.
http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Eng ... 9iqBtWytMw
That goes to another article on India. Also worth reading.

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Postby mmasand » 15 Aug 2019 01:49

UlanBatori wrote:Is this for real? Honestly, I have **NEVER** seen pics/video of Srinagar except stone-throwers, slum-like streets and IED-aftermaths. Plus of course "Dal Lake" fools floating on sewage.

This is absolutely stunning: video footage of Srinagar from a drone?
https://twitter.com/hussain_imtiyaz/sta ... 6950098944

Indian taxpayers paid for this sort of infra and all those rich ppl plying fancy cars? Time to cut off the baksheesh and tell the stone-throwers to get jobs or move to PORK.

Incidentally, the twitter handle seems to be by
Imtiyaz Hussain
@hussain_imtiyaz
J&K Police Officer,Tweeting in personal capacity.RTs,Followings don’t constitute endorsements.


Shame! The place is beautiful beyond imagination. Just look at the potential tourist revenue they could take in.

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Postby DharmaB » 15 Aug 2019 02:12

Anybody shed some light on these possible other factors contributing to "X" as well

1) The US deep state had been deeply interested to have control over J&K, but since India will never allow to have any base of their own, it sided with Pak since long ago. Through Pak, it would be easy to control J&K which probably more vital geo-politically than afg.

2) The deep state have a long term goal of destabilizing the region for the same reasons as in Iraq, Syria etc. To create a larger conflict between M's and non-M's. It is evident from the desperation of their puppets narrative here in India.

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Postby Rudradev » 15 Aug 2019 02:35

^^
(1) was definitely true for many decades after independence. The 1965 war and the failure of Grand Slam was a rude shock to those in the West who thought a Pak-controlled-J&K was a better bet geopolitically. The 1971 war ended that dream forever. By the 1990s, the West had decided instead to back an independent J&K (via the Hurriyat, whose creation was in fact midwifed by Robin Raphel). Pakistan was happy to get on board with this program because they thought once J&K became independent they could begin to dominate it (as they had post-Najibullah Afghanistan) with Jihadis.

All this is the past though. India's nuclear tests of 1998, global equations post 9/11, and the vast asymmetry that has accumulated between India and Pakistan this century have all changed things unalterably. The lobby of Westerners who actually favour a Pak-controlled J&K (or expect such a thing to materialize) has shrunk down to a very marginal group.

What major international power-brokers (West, China, elsewhere) don't want to lose is the prospect of a continuously festering, simmering, poorly-integrated J&K as a lever of manipulation against India. That is what is under threat now.

(2) no question that the Ms-vs-Non-Ms (or even dark-green-vs-light-green) dynamic is something every geopolitical power-broker would like to exploit wherever and whenever possible.

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Postby ShyamSP » 15 Aug 2019 02:39

DharmaB wrote:Anybody shed some light on these possible other factors contributing to "X" as well

1) The US deep state had been deeply interested to have control over J&K, but since India will never allow to have any base of their own, it sided with Pak since long ago. Through Pak, it would be easy to control J&K which probably more vital geo-politically than afg.

2) The deep state have a long term goal of destabilizing the region for the same reasons as in Iraq, Syria etc. To create a larger conflict between M's and non-M's. It is evident from the desperation of their puppets narrative here in India.


Afghanistan which was captured during cold war provides ground and air bases for covering west, north, and east side countries. Pakistan provides naval base and ground movements towards Afghanistan. So there is no chance in next 100 years also they leave the place. For justifying presence time to time, they need to throw monetary breadcrumbs and nods to Paki narrative and raise up pakiness whenever there is chance of peace. Also any conflict on M vs non-M is good to show non-peace and M in bad light and justify western presence in middle east and Afpak areas. Propaganda narratives (anti-India narrative for example) also extension to that requirement. JK in itself is no big deal for them but India can be kept at bay.

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Postby UlanBatori » 15 Aug 2019 02:49

This is all why UBC Analyses Inc maintains that a comprehensive AfPak solution should be administered by India-Iran. Afghanistan **CANNOT** be abandoned to Paki-Taliban again: it would be a 100-year folly. The solution is an independent Afghan govt, whose borders are protected with help from IAF (not IA) and Iranian Revolutionary Guards, with friendly and independent Pakhtoonistan and Balochistan providing a nice buffer from the Pakjabi terrorists. Hope India has enough vision to pull this off and does not sit around with yada yada yada Bhavitavyam Bhaveteva, All is Maya. As we mentioned, it will end up being accepted by Israel, US and Russia as well.

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Postby UlanBatori » 15 Aug 2019 02:59

Seen(paraphrased) from Teetar:
One of every 3 Pakistanis is as stupid as the other two.

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Postby V_Raman » 15 Aug 2019 03:03

CORRECTION
Rudradev wrote:^^
(What major international power-brokers (West, China, elsewhere) don't didn't want to lose is the prospect of a continuously festering, simmering, poorly-integrated J&K as a lever of manipulation against India. That is what is under threat now.

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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 15 Aug 2019 03:57

Surprised no one has mentioned MSN news as among the outlets that repeatedly display anti-India articles or negative India news. On J&K, they appear like they are egging Imran Khan on, when they feature his quote "We will fight India to the end" . This is not even an article questioning India's actions in the state. It is giving prominence to Pakistani views of Kashmir, and Pakistani machismo and militarism.

MSN News( the main international site, not the India specific site) almost never carries anything positive or sympathetic to India. It's violence, calamities, conflicts, sensations. Add MSN to the honourary list of anti-India entities like NY Times, CNN, Washington Post, BBC, Guardian and Huffington Post et al

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Postby Primus » 15 Aug 2019 04:02

Rudradev wrote:I think there's something we need to observe and understand here.


..................

What is that X, that was not operating in Feb/March but is fully operational now to greatly boost Paki propaganda efforts against India in Western MSM?

1) Indian Political Parties such as the INC and its Lutyens-Left/Urban-Naxal/5-Star-Islamist lobby.
..................



Great points, RD.

Col. RSN Singh (ex-RAW) was on a debate today (Dangal). He tends to get quite emotional, but said very clearly that the reason why there is so much hue and cry by certain elements in the government and the media on the Indian side is that they are all being blackmailed by those that sent them money through the hawala channels in the past. At least that is what the substance of his comments appeared to be.

It is very evident that the writing is on the wall and this is the end game, the final battle, 'astitva ki ladai'. Just as 9/11 did, this too has changed the world in ways we cannot imagine as yet.

Modern Indian history will, from here on, be classified as 'before 370' and 'after 370'.

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Postby Rishirishi » 15 Aug 2019 04:33

mmasand wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Is this for real? Honestly, I have **NEVER** seen pics/video of Srinagar except stone-throwers, slum-like streets and IED-aftermaths. Plus of course "Dal Lake" fools floating on sewage.

This is absolutely stunning: video footage of Srinagar from a drone?
https://twitter.com/hussain_imtiyaz/sta ... 6950098944

Indian taxpayers paid for this sort of infra and all those rich ppl plying fancy cars? Time to cut off the baksheesh and tell the stone-throwers to get jobs or move to PORK.

Incidentally, the twitter handle seems to be by
Imtiyaz Hussain
@hussain_imtiyaz
J&K Police Officer,Tweeting in personal capacity.RTs,Followings don’t constitute endorsements.


Shame! The place is beautiful beyond imagination. Just look at the potential tourist revenue they could take in.


Wonder how this compares to POK

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Postby Primus » 15 Aug 2019 05:10

Rudradev wrote:^^
(1) was definitely true for many decades after independence. The 1965 war and the failure of Grand Slam was a rude shock to those in the West who thought a Pak-controlled-J&K was a better bet geopolitically. The 1971 war ended that dream forever. By the 1990s, the West had decided instead to back an independent J&K (via the Hurriyat, whose creation was in fact midwifed by Robin Raphel). Pakistan was happy to get on board with this program because they thought once J&K became independent they could begin to dominate it (as they had post-Najibullah Afghanistan) with Jihadis.

All this is the past though. India's nuclear tests of 1998, global equations post 9/11, and the vast asymmetry that has accumulated between India and Pakistan this century have all changed things unalterably. The lobby of Westerners who actually favour a Pak-controlled J&K (or expect such a thing to materialize) has shrunk down to a very marginal group.

What major international power-brokers (West, China, elsewhere) don't want to lose is the prospect of a continuously festering, simmering, poorly-integrated J&K as a lever of manipulation against India. That is what is under threat now.

(2) no question that the Ms-vs-Non-Ms (or even dark-green-vs-light-green) dynamic is something every geopolitical power-broker would like to exploit wherever and whenever possible.


Looks like we're on the same page here.

RSN Singh again, at the IndoiAnalytics Conclave in January 2019. Very prescient, I say. Also mentions Raphel and the Hurriyat.

Watch from 8.30 onwards, "Today the geopolitical environment is favorable to you, aaj aap 370 nikaal dein, kuchh nahin hoga, guarantee deta hoon...... the world is expecting this from you, let me tell you, you couldn't ask for a better geopolitical environment"



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Postby Najunamar » 15 Aug 2019 06:32

I think what we're seeing in MSM of US and (F)UK is just impotent rage, this is quite gratifying to observe as India was in that state for the past few decades. Now as they say "the game's up" for the decadent powers of the west who are trying desperately to hold on to their power, influence and even relevance.

This is not to say we're home free, there's still a lot of mischief that can be created that will need to be carefully addressed.

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Postby Raj » 15 Aug 2019 06:37

Vikas wrote:
Amber G. wrote:Folks, it looks like it is indeed quite easy to "report" and I have seen quite a few handles getting blocked. (It is cool to get a notice from twitter saying "thanks" and telling that they have taken action. Twitter's algorithm works in the way that if you have been successful in helping them to ban weight of your report goes up so take a few extra second and report vile posts)


Someone took your advice and got me suspended instead for using the word 'Paki moron'. :((
Now Twitter wants my phone number to re-activate the account which I am reluctant to do.
OT: Any other way of un-suspending my twitter account without giving away my phone number ?



If you are in US, canada etc, get google voice. Give that number to teetar
https://voice.google.com/about

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Postby Guddu » 15 Aug 2019 06:40

Jay wrote:
khan wrote:I actually like Dr Fair. Of all the western analysts, she “gets it” - even more than many Indian analysts.


I agree. She may come with her baggage, but from what I heard so far, makes me believe she understands the nuances of Indo-Pak dealings better than the most foreign policy analysts.


Agree...better than the congis

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Postby Najunamar » 15 Aug 2019 06:54

Coming to think of it what cards does Khanate have that they are confidently flying kites about mediation and keeping the door open for Pakis? I cannot fathom this move as anything but a desperate attempt at jawboning thinking such fakery will work as it did in the past with the Congoons. If US continues to pursue a pak-pasand policy it will only hasten the decline of the empire.

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Postby UlanBatori » 15 Aug 2019 07:30

What do they lose by leading the Pakis on? OTOH, what is the point in bissing them off further by telling them the facts of life? So they play the happy delusion game.

Trouble that I see is that the Pakis are sowing the seeds, so that if and when they manage to stir up violence these seeds can grow into worldwide protests at hyooman rites suppression etc etc.
Which is why MAD are firmly sitting on the lid over the stone-orbiting tribes. But who will blink first? The editors because ppl say "Kash-hu? Yawn!" or the MAD through their weak-kneed diplobabucracy?

Look at it this way: close to 10 days now with no reports of violence in Kashmmore (if you don't count a few stone-throwers feeling a few lathis and boots).

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Postby UlanBatori » 15 Aug 2019 07:38

TOIlet:

SRINAGAR: Barring "localised incidents" in the Valley, the s ..

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Localised incidents' in Kashmir ahead of I-Day, restrictions will continue for a while: Officials
PTI | Aug 14, 2019, 10.20 PM IST
'Localised incidents' in Kashmir ahead of I-Day, restrictions will continue for a while: Officials
SRINAGAR: Barring "localised incidents" in the Valley, the situation has been calm in Jammu and Kashmir with arrangements made to celebrate Independence Day in all districts, though restrictions will remain for some time in Kashmir...
The main Independence Day function will be held at S K Stadium here with Governor hoisting the national flag.
Further relaxations in prohibitory orders have been given in a large number of areas, including Srinagar. "Local authorities, as before, are keeping a close watch on the situation and offering relaxations wherever the situation warrants it." Civil supplies continue to be normal. Additional Director General of Jammu and Kashmir Police Munir Khan said restrictions in Jammu have been completely lifted: schools and other establishments there are functioning. Restrictions will continue in some places of Kashmir for sometime.

He said there were "localised incidents" in parts of Srinagar and other districts in the Valley, but these were contained and dealt with locally.

There have been no major injuries to anyone, he said at a press conference. Khan said there were a few pellet injuries in the Valley that have been treated. "Our biggest endeavour is to ensure there is no civilian casualty," he said. In Jammu, the Independence Day celebrations would be led by an advisor to the governor while celebrations would be held at divisional, district and sub-district levels as well, he said.

"The general view is that the situation has been calm, relaxed, there have been no reports of untoward incidents which prompted relaxations. Based on local assessments, there will be some relaxations tomorrow and the general policy is to relax as much as possible," he said.

Asked about the number of people detained, Khan said he would not talk about individuals.

"In a law and order situation like this, there are different kinds of detention... preventive detention to ensure the established miscreants do not vitiate the peaceful atmosphere... so you have to take preventive steps," he said.

Meanwhile, former IAS officer and chief of J&K Peoples Movement party Shah Faesal was detained in Srinagar under the Public Safety Act (PSA) after he was sent back to Kashmir from the Delhi airport, officials said. Faesal, who was bound for Istanbul, was detained at the airport during the intervening night of Tuesday and Wednesday...
The official insisted that sometimes reasonable restrictions are necessary in order to ensure that public order is not disturbed. He said other major aspects including civilian supplies, medical facilities, availability of both normal and emergency medicines, power supply continue to be normal. "We give you the information that we have, you are free to carry out your own verifications and form your opinions," he said.

Kansal said Jammu and Kashmir has seen difficult time in 2008, in 2016 and on many occasions in the past. "The state had to pass through difficult circumstances, there had been reports of loss of human lives, casualties. In the present circumstances, however, it is a matter of some satisfaction that there has been no casualty, there has been no loss of lives," he said. The officer said a large number of devotees offered prayers on Eid on Monday and there was no report of any untoward incident. Referring to the facilities offered by the administration, he said in Srinagar alone, almost 14,000 phone calls have been made by people through public call points. Additional DGP of Jammu and Kashmir Police Javed Gillani, who also spoke to the media in the evening, said there have been detention under the Public Safety Act (PSA) and some people have also been shifted out of the state "As of now, as we speak, there are only two people in the hospital with some injuries, rest of them had got some minor injuries and discharged," he said. Gillani also said the administration has put reasonable restrictions to prevent any law and order situation.

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Zakir Naik should be sent back to India: Malaysian minister

Looks like Modi's talk, about choosing between us and them, is having its effect.

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Postby vijayk » 15 Aug 2019 08:31

Looks like Reuters sepoy was lying in his Kashmir reports
Sadhavi Khosl Retweeted

Shahid Choudhary
@listenshahid

Telephone numbers of Medical College Principal, heads of other medical facilities have remained functional all these days. Pls respect the facts, you still have a lot more for speculative tweets.
Quote Tweet

Devjyot Ghoshal
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The Government Medical College's principal, who runs a hospital network with 3,500 beds, had to personally visit district officials to coordinate stuff.

“Police stations have been given satellite phones but not him. That shows their (government’s) priority," an official said.


Sadhavi Khosla
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Finally could get through
@BashirAssad3
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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby williams » 15 Aug 2019 09:35

I think it is time to move on. We have done too much analysis of media reaction and next steps BIF will take. I think MAD has war-gamed all scenarios and they should have counter strategies for that. I think we need to start discussing strategies to chase the Pakis out of POK. I think the best strategy should be working on various schemes to economically strangulate the Pakis. We should push them to a point there will be a major civil war between the common Abdul, Jihadis, and PA. Then we can fish in troubled waters and liberate POK.


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