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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Suraj » 09 Apr 2021 23:30

chetak wrote:
Suraj wrote:
Tehseen Poonawalla is 38 years old . Even in most parts of the US, she would not be eligible to be vaccinated now , same as in India . Nandy can go get his vaccine right now - he’s old enough . Has he got his shot yet ?


whatsapp......

So corporates are bad for 'farmers' but good for vaccinations.

What am I missing?

If Tehseen took a bijness class flight to Los Angeles or San Francisco to get vaccinated by param poojya Pfizer/Moderna/JJ vaccine she'll be in for a rude shock. She doesn't qualify. There's no Cowin like site that lets you reliably register. The existing site is buggy and everyone knows it. Even a reliable provider like Costco has a website that is broken. What you instead do is search every pharmacy/medical provider, make dozens of calls etc. If she finds something, even if she tries to trick the system by claiming she's an essential worker, she will find a waiting list that may be days/weeks long. Or she can drive 3-8hrs to rural California to find a location where they're not seriously checking eligibility. I am not kidding - people are literally driving from San Francisco to near Bakersfield (~450km each way) to get a vaccine.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby morem » 09 Apr 2021 23:33

In Colorado, my family and a bunch of friends got the vaccine at an urgent care about 30 miles from town. All they asked for was date of birth and insurance details.
As of Monday it has been open to everyone above the age of 18 at all locations - including places like Target, King Soopers and so on

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Suraj » 09 Apr 2021 23:35

Of course a lot of people in US are getting around the looseness of checking eligibility. That's not a good thing in the middle of a supply constraint. There's a reason the priority exists:
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India has a lower crude death rate because it's doing better at safeguarding the most at risk.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshan » 10 Apr 2021 00:17

chetak wrote:This is the primary reason why vaccines in MAH are being hoarded / diverted

vasooli has now been made an essential service

It has already accommodated a lot of the under 45s


Yes. Picked up on this sometime back and that's why I wanted to see pay higher and get vaccine notion from GoI out. No point of allowing companies like BB to not get that money instead of corrupt people.

Also states like GJ should have put in their weight behind alternatives to SII lot earlier. Especially if all BB was looking for was 100cr. Even if BB vaccine didn't materialize, GJ would have had more presence from BB. Zydus can't be allowed to be the only one running big show in GJ.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby nachiket » 10 Apr 2021 00:44

Suraj wrote:If Tehseen took a bijness class flight to Los Angeles or San Francisco to get vaccinated by param poojya Pfizer/Moderna/JJ vaccine she'll be in for a rude shock. She doesn't qualify.

Tehseen Poonawalla is a guy and is not only a congressi but a pappu worshipper who believes all problems in the Congress are caused by those who are not pappu. His brother Shehzad Poonawalla also used to be a Congressi but is now an ardent BJP supporter. The family has ensured they have both sides covered :P

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Suraj » 10 Apr 2021 00:58

Ah ok oops. On the brighter side he could get a sex change done here sooner than he can get a vaccine, so I don't have to correct my earlier post :P

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Apr 2021 01:03

Suraj wrote:Ah ok oops. On the brighter side he could get a sex change done here sooner than he can get a vaccine, so I don't have to correct my earlier post :P


He is a she when he is truthfully, accurately, disparagingly, and colloquially described.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Apr 2021 01:11

nachiket wrote:
Suraj wrote:If Tehseen took a bijness class flight to Los Angeles or San Francisco to get vaccinated by param poojya Pfizer/Moderna/JJ vaccine she'll be in for a rude shock. She doesn't qualify.

Tehseen Poonawalla is a guy and is not only a congressi but a pappu worshipper who believes all problems in the Congress are caused by those who are not pappu. His brother Shehzad Poonawalla also used to be a Congressi but is now an ardent BJP supporter. The family has ensured they have both sides covered :P


Tehseen is married to Monica Vadera. She who is a cousin of Robert Vadra.

Tehseen has actually put out a newspaper notice disowning his brother Shehzad for going against pappu

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 10 Apr 2021 01:36

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/mah ... 86810.html

Maharashtra: Fire breaks out at Covid hospital in Nagpur, 4 dead, many injured

This Maha Vasool Agadi is a disaster ...

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 10 Apr 2021 02:21

Watch this Karan Thappad interview ... very insightful



If you carefully follow, you realize cultural racists looks like us but are mentally white colonials who are left out there to screw natives of every other nation.

https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/1312749630568898561
Same sentiment PBMehta

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Suraj » 10 Apr 2021 03:34

vijayk wrote:Watch this Karan Thappad interview ... very insightful

If you carefully follow, you realize cultural racists looks like us but are mentally white colonials who are left out there to screw natives of every other nation.
https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/1312749630568898561
Same sentiment PBMehta

Baru compares the marginalization of the power elite who had revolving door access to Delhi's corridors of power to the Chinese Cultural Revolution. Sounds impressive but he has no clue what the CR was like. He complains about marginalization during a nice interview in an airconditioned TV studio. The Chinese mandarins didn't get to do that. They were paraded publicly and shot instead.
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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rudradev » 10 Apr 2021 03:41

vijayk wrote:Watch this Karan Thappad interview ... very insightful


If you carefully follow, you realize cultural racists looks like us but are mentally white colonials who are left out there to screw natives of every other nation.


Same sentiment PBMehta


Regarding "Intellectuals" and their role in "cultural development of a society"... this is what the great African-American scholar Thomas Sowell had to say.

https://youtu.be/p94zVXQkygc

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rudradev » 10 Apr 2021 03:51

Baru doesn't see the dissonance between admitting that India's new leadership class has "earned their way to the top" vs. calling it a "cultural revolution". Nobody "earns" anything in a revolution... one group just grabs everything from another group through whatever means available.

What Baru is describing is what his Congress party deliberately never allowed to take root in India (let alone fostering it).

A meritocracy.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 10 Apr 2021 03:52

Sanjay Baru says they identified with Vietnam and all those western issues not about India ...they think in English ...

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Kakkaji » 10 Apr 2021 04:01

Punjab 'arthiyas' to go on strike on Saturday over DBT scheme

Punjab's 'arthiyas' will go on a strike on Saturday to protest the state government's decision to follow the Centre's direction to transfer the minimum support price of farmers' crops directly to their bank accounts, bypassing commission agents. The 'arhtiyas' on Friday decided to observe a state-wide strike on the opening day of the wheat procurement in the state.

There has been no proposal from the Punjab government on the Centre's instruction on Direct Bank Transfer (DBT) of the Minimum Support Price (MSP) to farmers from the current season, he said.

Punjab minister Sadhu Singh Dharamsot, however, hoped that the state government would find a solution to the issue of direct bank transfer of the MSP to farmers.

"Farmers and 'arthiyas' have age-old relations in Punjab. I am hopeful that a solution to the issue will be found," he said.

He also accused Prime Minister Narendra Modi of having an ill will against Punjab as, he said, its farmers have been at the forefront of the protest against the three farm laws.

"Modi is the PM of the entire country and not only of the BJP-ruled states. He should not discriminate against Punjab," he added. :roll:

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby arshyam » 10 Apr 2021 08:17

darshan wrote:Voters played petty politics and now are complaining. This would be punjabis complaining where punjabis don't even vote for BJP to be a contender. Similarly MH continues to keep NCP and INC relevant to make penguins successful. Correct blame should be diverted towards the voters who vote for NCP, INC, Sonia Sena. Having BJP repeat as opposite leader isn't going to solve any problems.

Saar, in this instance, MH voters are not to be blamed. They did vote for Fadnavis on the basis of his performance, who was contesting in an alliance with the Shiv sena. They won the election fair and square. If SS back-stabbed Fadnavis and the BJP post election, that's on them, not the voters. Yes, the NCP and Congress did get enough seats to be able to cobble up a majority, but the BJP is the only party with 100+ seats and was a clear winner. In any election, we can expect enough number of seats to go to established parties in their strongholds, and that's what happened here when it came to the NCP and Congress. In fact, within the winning alliance, the Shiv sena actually declined in its hit rate, while BJP improved upon this. And BJP improving its hit rate means NCP and Congress had taken a hit. Is this not a sign of political maturity shown by the voter?

If the vasoolis get significant votes during the next election, then we can blame MH voters. For now, they are just victims of cynical politics and politicking.
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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby arshyam » 10 Apr 2021 08:18

Kakkaji wrote:Punjab 'arthiyas' to go on strike on Saturday over DBT scheme

"Modi is the PM of the entire country and not only of the BJP-ruled states. He should not discriminate against Punjab," he added. :roll:

Am I the only one who finds this :lol:

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby arshyam » 10 Apr 2021 08:38

Sanajaya Baru was part of the old elite due to connections built through his bureaucrat father. That's of no use these days, hence the pique. Though his books about PVNR were quite objective and didn't carry anything for the famiglia, he is still more inclined towards the old guard. I wouldn't equate him with Thappad though, who is a whole different specimen altogether when carrying a can for the famiglia, given his family's chequered history in '62 and subsequent undeserved rehabilitation.

Now, I haven't listened to the clip, nor do I intend to, unless folks here strongly recommend it. I cannot listen Thappad beyond a few mins. But looking at the headline, I wonder if these gentlemen realize the irony of their statement, i.e. "protecting India's social unity is not important to them". By not appealing to a single caste and instead to a unified pan-Hindu and a pan-Indian identity, it is the BJP that's improving India's social unity, while the old congi ecosystem was built on stilts of caste, linguistic groups and communal policies aimed at one religious group or the other. In a manner of speaking, these gentlemen are following the age-old leftist dictum of propaganda - whatever you do, accuse the other other guy of actually doing it. Hence, this spin on social unity :lol:

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Manish_P » 10 Apr 2021 10:43

nachiket wrote:..His brother Shehzad Poonawalla also used to be a Congressi but is now an ardent BJP supporter. The family has ensured they have both sides covered :P


That's it in a nutshell. Just the age old feudal slyness of having a foot in both camps to protect the jaagir. It's amusing to see how many are still fooled by it..

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby arshyam » 10 Apr 2021 10:48

^^ Is Adar Poonawalla related to these guys?

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshhan » 10 Apr 2021 11:41

arshyam wrote:^^ Is Adar Poonawalla related to these guys?


You can never be sure.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Apr 2021 11:43

Manish_P wrote:
nachiket wrote:..His brother Shehzad Poonawalla also used to be a Congressi but is now an ardent BJP supporter. The family has ensured they have both sides covered :P


That's it in a nutshell. Just the age old feudal slyness of having a foot in both camps to protect the jaagir. It's amusing to see how many are still fooled by it..



Shehzad Poonawalla wanted to stand for congi party organizational elections against pappu. He made his intentions very clear and public. He did this because pappu said that he welcomed competition

as expected, the congis reacted furiously and forced poonawalla out because their idea of "elections" was and is pappu standing unopposed to push the old famiglia narrative of "unanimous choice" which started out with that old repobrate motilal slyly purchasing elections for neverwho.

OTOH, Shehzad Poonawalla is very well spoken and a self assured media personality with no godfather. He is equally effective in hindi and english and is a formidable debater.

I haven't seen him bested yet in a debate or argument and he appears almost daily on tv. He is very presentable and also very credible.

Personally, I would not place too much credence in the covering all bases or even the trojan horse CTs

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Apr 2021 11:45

darshhan wrote:
arshyam wrote:^^ Is Adar Poonawalla related to these guys?


You can never be sure.


No, not, never.

adar is parsi

and

tehseen & shahdad are muslims

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby arshyam » 10 Apr 2021 12:01

chetak wrote:
darshhan wrote:
You can never be sure.


No, not, never.

adar is parsi

and

tehseen & shahdad are muslims

Thanks for that clarification, good way to distinguish.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshhan » 10 Apr 2021 12:30

chetak wrote:
darshhan wrote:
You can never be sure.


No, not, never.

adar is parsi

and

tehseen & shahdad are muslims


Thanks for the info. A mass manufactured vaccine(covidshield in this case) in control of islamics was never a good idea though.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Lisa » 10 Apr 2021 16:52

Could somebody please help me understand this article. It says that grain is being moved from Bihar to Punjab to take advantage of MSP in Punjab, ie bought in Bihar for ₹1,200 and to be sold in Punjab for ₹1,975. If MSP is set by the central government (I think), why would MSP be different in different parts of India for the same crop?

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/c ... 92128.html

Thank you in advance.

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Postby sanjayc » 10 Apr 2021 16:59

MSP is the same, but what if Govt. buys much more from some states and very less from others? There is hardly any wheat procurement by the Govt in Bihar. So farmers sell at market rates to private parties (mandis). In Punjab, almost all wheat produced purchased by FCI at MSP. This is quite unfair to farmers of other states. So people buy at market rates in Bihar, transport it to Punjab and sell at MSP there, pocketing the difference

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Kaivalya » 10 Apr 2021 17:05

Lisa wrote:Could somebody please help me understand this article. It says that grain is being moved from Bihar to Punjab to take advantage of MSP in Punjab, ie bought in Bihar for ₹1,200 and to be sold in Punjab for ₹1,975. If MSP is set by the central government (I think), why would MSP be different in different parts of India for the same crop?

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/c ... 92128.html

Thank you in advance.


Lisaji -

https://en.gaonconnection.com/when-the-cost-of-different-crops-varies-from-one-state-to-the-other-why-is-there-a-common-msp-for-the-entire-country/

As they say "Road to hell is paved in good intention"...
Labor cost varies, cost of production varies, state government Budget Quota varies based on number of farmers it thinks it needs to help, centre-state coordination , bonus announcement due to political climate in the state, family support each state decides to factor...

Essentially all this sophistication finally leaves farmers clueless about the price and with loss probability anyways as in a free market system
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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ManSingh » 10 Apr 2021 17:07

Lisa wrote:Could somebody please help me understand this article. It says that grain is being moved from Bihar to Punjab to take advantage of MSP in Punjab, ie bought in Bihar for ₹1,200 and to be sold in Punjab for ₹1,975. If MSP is set by the central government (I think), why would MSP be different in different parts of India for the same crop?

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/c ... 92128.html

Thank you in advance.


The 1,200 price in Bihar is not MSP. It is what agri traders pay local farmers to procure wheat in Bihar. The reason Bihar state govt does not procure is lack of procurement infra. Both physical infra and supporting processes.

MSP procurement in Punjab is done by the state government on behalf of GOI. The reason for procurement infrastructure existing in North Western India is a legacy of green revolution. In the 60's to deal with food shortages GOI invested heavily in traditional bread basketa of NW India.

So in Bihar enterprising traders procure at very low prices and transport and sell it unscrupulously in a region where procurement happens under MSP.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Lisa » 10 Apr 2021 17:15

I appreciate your answers but fail to understand how private traders can have access to a procurement infrastructure superior to what a state government can do. Furthermore, is the Bihari government not obliged by law to acquire such grain. After all its not even their money, central government guarantees MSP, correct?

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Postby Kaivalya » 10 Apr 2021 17:23

Lisa wrote:I appreciate your answers but fail to understand how private traders can have access to a procurement infrastructure superior to what a state government can do. Furthermore, is the Bihari government not obliged by law to acquire such grain. After all its not even their money, central government guarantees MSP, correct?



State government execution that everyone is touting is abysmal... storage facilities, information, logistics...Hence the reason for allowing more private investment.


Analysis : Bihar Did Not Meet Even 1% of its Wheat Procurement Target

https://thewire.in/agriculture/bihar-wheat-procurement-target-failure

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Lisa » 10 Apr 2021 17:29

^Wow! What an education! For an individual who has lived with EU subsidies and how distorted the EU market place is, these matter in Bihar seem to leave EU incompetence in the shade. Again my gratitude for everyone's answers and time.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 10 Apr 2021 17:35

chetak wrote:
Manish_P wrote:
That's it in a nutshell. Just the age old feudal slyness of having a foot in both camps to protect the jaagir. It's amusing to see how many are still fooled by it..



Shehzad Poonawalla wanted to stand for congi party organizational elections against pappu.

And there is a audio tape of Manish Tewari advising him against it and saying it is a 'Family Run/Firm' and look where Manish is today!! :lol: :lol:
Karma always follows you

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 10 Apr 2021 17:40

Rudradev wrote:Baru (let alone fostering it).

A meritocracy.

Saar after the 'Accidental Prime Minister' he is doing equal=equal
Birathers don't sweat of Barugaru
Just like the poonawala's he wants to keep one foot in each 'mire' so to speak!! :rotfl:

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 10 Apr 2021 17:53

arshyam wrote:Sanajaya Baru was part of the old elite due to connections built through his bureaucrat father. That's of no use these days, hence the pique. Though his books about PVNR were quite objective and didn't carry anything for the famiglia, he is still more inclined towards the old guard. I wouldn't equate him with Thappad though, who is a whole different specimen altogether when carrying a can for the famiglia, given his family's chequered history in '62 and subsequent undeserved rehabilitation.

Now, I haven't listened to the clip, nor do I intend to, unless folks here strongly recommend it. I cannot listen Thappad beyond a few mins. But looking at the headline, I wonder if these gentlemen realize the irony of their statement, i.e. "protecting India's social unity is not important to them". By not appealing to a single caste and instead to a unified pan-Hindu and a pan-Indian identity, it is the BJP that's improving India's social unity, while the old congi ecosystem was built on stilts of caste, linguistic groups and communal policies aimed at one religious group or the other. In a manner of speaking, these gentlemen are following the age-old leftist dictum of propaganda - whatever you do, accuse the other other guy of actually doing it. Hence, this spin on social unity :lol:

You should listen. They are realizing what happened after 2014. They are trying to figure out how to tar Bharat

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby AshishA » 10 Apr 2021 17:53

I read the article by this Baru guy containing a excerpt of the recent book he was going to publish. I gave up midway because it was nauseating. He is of the same mindset as those of the lutyens and khan market gang guys. Same old Hindu majoritarianism bogey, crying about secularism and plurality of congis etc. I didn't find anything of substance except lots of whining. Btw he constantly laments why didn't the left take up the space left by congress. Why did they let BJP get powerful. And why didn't the left come to power at centre.

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Postby chetak » 10 Apr 2021 18:51

AshishA wrote:I read the article by this Baru guy containing a excerpt of the recent book he was going to publish. I gave up midway because it was nauseating. He is of the same mindset as those of the lutyens and khan market gang guys. Same old Hindu majoritarianism bogey, crying about secularism and plurality of congis etc. I didn't find anything of substance except lots of whining. Btw he constantly laments why didn't the left take up the space left by congress. Why did they let BJP get powerful. And why didn't the left come to power at centre.


one time, my job required me to pass through dilli every week and every week, like clock work and without fail, I would see this cutlet in the airport bus.

we sort of became nodding buddies though we never spoke.

there was also that violin guy who made a living playing for the parliamentarians and most weeks, he too would be in that bus.

This guy is a pretentious moron, now a discarded congi fixture, still hoping to somehow curry favor from the famiglia.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 10 Apr 2021 19:50

Actually he wrote Accidental PM on MMS. He was hoping people like him will be courted by Modi but never got the call.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Apr 2021 19:59

vijayk wrote:Actually he wrote Accidental PM on MMS. He was hoping people like him will be courted by Modi but never got the call.


nail right on the head, saar.

for a time he had his eye on the press job in Modi's PMO and went all out for it.

He is now back, trying to worm his way once again, into the tattered congi tent

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Ambar » 10 Apr 2021 21:08

Lisa wrote:^Wow! What an education! For an individual who has lived with EU subsidies and how distorted the EU market place is, these matter in Bihar seem to leave EU incompetence in the shade. Again my gratitude for everyone's answers and time.


I don't know if its still the case given that EU CAP has gone through several revisions and overhauls since inception but back in the 70s and 80s there was a department whose sole purpose was to destroy surplus agriculture produce. The EU government intervention through subsidies and purchases are also said to have kept the retail food prices artificially high there by screwing the average tax payer twice.


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