Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby LakshmanPST » 26 Mar 2021 05:41

IMO if China actually attacks Taiwan, India should stay out of it... It is not our fight...
India should enter a fight only if we or one of our neighbours are directly threatened...

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 26 Mar 2021 06:31

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/thre ... 210326.htm
Threat only 'abated', not gone away: Army chief on LAC disengagement
Hemant Waje, March 26, 2021

Army Chief Gen MM Naravane said on Thursday the threat to India has only "abated" following the disengagement in Pangong lake areas in eastern Ladakh after the agreement with China but it has not gone away altogether.
He also asserted that it would be incorrect to say that the Chinese troops were still sitting on territories in eastern Ladakh that were in India's control before the face-off erupted in May last year.
Referring to the situation in the mountainous region, Gen Naravane told an interactive session at the India Economic Conclave that the military strength in rear areas remained what it was even at the height of border tensions.
The Army Chief replied in the affirmative when asked by the moderator whether he concurs with Prime Minister Narendra Modi's remarks after the border standoff that the Chinese have not come into control of Indian territory.
"Yes, absolutely," he said. He also said that patrolling has not resumed in the region as tensions are still running high and there are always chances of face-offs and inadvertent escalation of the situation when it starts.
The border standoff between the Indian and Chinese armies erupted on May 5 last following a violent clash in the Pangong lake areas and both sides gradually enhanced their deployment by rushing in tens of thousands of soldiers as well as heavy weaponry. As a result of a series of military and diplomatic talks, the two sides completed withdrawal of troops and weapons from the North and South banks of Pangong lake in line with an agreement on disengagement last month. "There are some areas which we still have to negotiate but in the overall scheme of things, (I) feel that we have very strong grounds to believe that we will be able to achieve all our aims," Gen Naravane said.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby vera_k » 26 Mar 2021 06:35

LakshmanPST wrote:IMO if China actually attacks Taiwan, India should stay out of it... It is not our fight...
India should enter a fight only if we or one of our neighbours are directly threatened...


However, there will be a lot of money to be made selling weapons of all sorts. Arming Taiwan is also a good way to get Indian weapons tested in real world conditions. Ordinarily Pakistan would have been the punching bag as a Chinese ally.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 26 Mar 2021 11:02

g.sarkar wrote:Threat only 'abated', not gone away: Army chief on LAC

What is happening with the other sectors?

Tenth commander-level talks in February; the Seventh Diplomats-level talks in mid-March.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Philip » 27 Mar 2021 17:10

Clarity on the Quad from the Army Chief.Gen.Naravane.

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2021/03 ... e-but.html
QUAD WON'T BE MILITARY ALLIANCE BUT THERE WILL BE MILITARY COOPERATION AMONG MEMBERS: ARMY CHIEF MM NARAVANE
SATURDAY, MARCH 27, 2021 BY INDIAN DEFENCE NEWS


Xcpt:
"It will not be a military alliance. There will definitely be military cooperation, both bilaterally between the countries of the Quad and as a quadrilateral also. But it would not be a military alliance in that sense," the Army Chief said.

Gen Naravane also said that the Quad is not focused against any particular country.

Army Chief Gen MM Naravane Thursday said there will be military cooperation among the member nations of the Quad but it will not be a military alliance like NATO.

His comments came two weeks after the top leadership of the Quad grouping of India, the US, Japan and Australia vowed to expand cooperation in the Indo-Pacific at a time China was increasing its military assertiveness in the region.

"It will not be a military alliance. There will definitely be military cooperation, both bilaterally between the countries of the Quad and as a quadrilateral also. But it would not be a military alliance in that sense," the Army Chief said.

He was replying to a question at the India Economic Conclave.

"The Quad is actually supposed to be a quadrilateral security dialogue. We keep calling it Quad but the actual aim of that was a security dialogue and this will of course have security part of it,"


This makes it abundantly clear that there will be no Asian NATO as some were hoping for .not even a 4-nation military alliance.
Military cooperation to see that UNCLOS rules in the Asia-Pacific/Indo-Pacific through mutual maritime cooperation,plus intel,appears to be the max. that the Quad can agree upon. It stymies the Chin accusation that it is a military bloc aimed at the PRC (wink,wink),yet still pushing the "sausage" up the "Keel" of fuhrer XI of the PRC. There is bugger all that XI and his hyperventilating weevils can do about the Quad in this format.Indian sales,leases could also be done,to Indo-China Sea littoral nations of BMos,and other tactical missiles with range under 300km would be a further advancement of securing Indian maritime security in Indo-Pacific waters.It is for the nations of the Quad to forge a military strengthening of the anti-Chin stakeholders in the region with suitable military hardware, networked into the Quad as far as possble,that would ensure a de-facto military "net" to prevent any further Chin mischief in the region and corral the PLAN from breaking out into the IOR,etc.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby kit » 27 Mar 2021 18:43

The QUAD is a defacto military alliance., what else do you think would deter the chinese ?! . Why do you think all those exercises are happening with a lot of effort and expense will all 4 partners involved ? The QUAD is not for a war of words with China , the only reason it is not overtly an Asian NATO is Indian sensitivities regarding its strategic autonomy. Now if China "helps" India would have no choice but disregard this policy.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby kit » 27 Mar 2021 18:45

LakshmanPST wrote:IMO if China actually attacks Taiwan, India should stay out of it... It is not our fight...
India should enter a fight only if we or one of our neighbours are directly threatened...


Actually, India might be involved if the US overtly gets into the fight and things turn ugly .That time would be a good idea to think about a free Tibet !

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Vivek K » 27 Mar 2021 23:17

India must have a bigger worldview. Perhaps there could be fireworks on POK while China is preoccupied with Taiwan?
If you’re not a part of the problem, you will not be a part of the solution either.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby darshan » 27 Mar 2021 23:18

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/25/suez-ca ... goods.html
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In addition to delaying thousands of containers loaded with consumer items, the stranded ship has also tied up empty containers, which are key for Chinese exports.

“Containers are already scarce in China and the backup in the Suez will further stress the inventory,” explained Jon Monroe, maritime trade and logistics consultant with Jon Monroe Consulting. “We are back to a pre-Chinese New Year environment where factories are running at full steam and are struggling to find containers as well as space for their finished goods.”

This delay will impact the arrival of U.S. imports that fill store shelves as well as U.S. manufacturing components.

“Before the Suez Canal disruption, we were expecting the container situation to get worse in April because we were already seeing the scarcity of containers,” said Monroe. “This canal closure will not help. You will start to see product piling up on factory floors.”
Consumer demand

Chinese manufacturers are responding to the tremendous global orders for their goods. Pandemic lockdowns have fueled consumer demand over the last year. As a result, a continuous historic flow of vessels holding millions of containers is clogging ports and slowing down processing. The delays have been costly.
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https://www.deshgujarat.com/2021/03/26/commerce-ministry-chalks-out-four-point-plan-to-deal-with-blockage-of-suez-canal/
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Blockage of Suez Canal since 23rdMarch 2021 is seriously hitting the global trade. This route is used for Indian exports/imports worth US$ 200 Bn to/from North America, South America and Europe. It includes petroleum goods, organic chemicals, iron & steel, automobile, machinery, textiles & carpets, handicrafts including furniture, leather goods, etc.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 28 Mar 2021 00:09

LakshmanPST wrote:IMO if China actually attacks Taiwan, India should stay out of it... It is not our fight...
India should enter a fight only if we or one of our neighbours are directly threatened...

That means that China can conquer its adversaries one by one, with India standing by doing nothing. This is how China wants things to develop. Remember the saying "Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me." This applies to nations too. If Taiwan, Vietnam, Philippines, Brunei etc. fall and become allies/tributaries of the Middle Kingdom, Indian position will become weak and untenable.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Cyrano » 28 Mar 2021 01:12

+1

We are a global power now, as our influence grows, the scope of our interests grows as well. If we can't step up and go where our interests are threatened, we will shrink back to a smaller power.

China think is similar, but with important differences:
"We are a global power now, and our influence must still grow, to secure our growing interests . If we step on others and go meddle where our interests lie, we will make others shrink to smaller powers."

Then they ran into India ;-)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby kit » 28 Mar 2021 04:55

Vivek K wrote:India must have a bigger worldview. Perhaps there could be fireworks on POK while China is preoccupied with Taiwan?
If you’re not a part of the problem, you will not be a part of the solution either.


Not just fireworks., but a strategy needs to be evolved with likeminded countries in containing the expansionist agenda of the chinks. Chinas pressure points need to be sorted out. Time to be aggressive, India .

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Vivek K » 28 Mar 2021 06:07

+1! Time to be a part of global geopolitics and not absent from the world scene.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 30 Mar 2021 13:43

https://www.defencenews.in/article/Chin ... ts-1044241
China’s Military Could Turn Small Clashes Into Major Conflicts
Foreign Policy, March 30, 2021

Relations between the United States and China are fraught, with escalating rhetoric and risk of miscalculation on both sides. Military affairs aren’t the only aspect of the bilateral relationship—but they’re the most dangerous one. As China’s security presence expands to follow its economic interests, the two militaries will come into more and more frequent contact.
But the big question is: Who is in charge over on the Chinese side? Chinese President Xi Jinping has put considerable effort into shoring up Chinese Communist Party (CCP) control of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA)—but as with any military, there’s a big gulf between the intrigues at the top and the grunts at the bottom. When a game of maritime chicken results in ships colliding or a border argument escalates to gunfire, who is making the decisions that follow, and that could escalate, with horrific consequences? Is the PLA capable, or even interested, in defusing and avoiding dangerous low-level encounters? Or will a combination of increasing confidence and fervent nationalism result in catastrophic miscalculation?
Two examples from China’s history—one from the era of Mao Zedong’s Cultural Revolution and one from just a year ago—serve to illustrate how uncertainty over Beijing’s civil-military control poses real escalation risks and how the Chinese side might avert them.
In 1969, Chinese forces instigated a brutal ambush on unsuspecting Soviet border guards at Zhenbao Island, a contested bank on the Ussuri River. After numerous rough but not lethal hand-to-hand scuffles in the past, the island became the epicenter of a pitched battle and weeks-long exchange of fire. The initial ambush, conducted with small arms, escalated into deployment of heavy armor supported by rocket artillery. Hundreds of people were killed. Within two weeks, both sides were contemplating the possibility of a nuclear exchange.
Even after a cease-fire was declared, the prospect of nuclear weapons use lingered for years afterward. At the time, it was difficult to discern who had initiated the clash, at what level, and for what reason. China held clear conventional superiority on the ground but was wildly ill-equipped to weather a nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union. That fact alone led some to assume the clash was merely tactical freelancing by an aggressive local commander because surely no national leader would gamble with the fate of the nation against a vastly superior nuclear power.
In more recent scholarship, however, there is general consensus even among Russian and Chinese researchers that Beijing had begun planning for the attack as early as 1968 and that it was carefully orchestrated under Mao’s direct guidance to generate popular sentiment for his domestic agenda. Others attribute the clash to a renegade Lin Biao, Mao’s top general, who was later purged after a (supposed) failed coup attempt in 1971, though that explanation may have only served as a way to distance Mao from the attack and discredit Lin. Half a century later, it is still not entirely clear who made the decision to attack at Zhenbao Island.
Equally, we still do not have all the details of the high-altitude melee between Indian and Chinese border guards that took place last June at the Line of Actual Control (LAC). Beijing only confirmed last month that four PLA soldiers were killed, and that number is a fraction of those that India reported—their own losses totaled at least 20 people. Chinese bloggers have been arrested and charged for challenging Beijing’s own figures, adding a further layer of insecurity and uncertainty.
The events at the LAC share some characteristics with the Zhenbao Island incident. First, Beijing created a series of confrontations in the area, leading with a deployment of considerable force and creating a decisive advantage in strength, particularly at the point of the incident. India’s scramble to deploy troops to reinforce its positions is reminiscent of the Soviet Union’s own border crisis half a century earlier. And, while China may not be going through a period of internal strife at quite the scale of the Cultural Revolution, it has seen no less than 35 Central Committee members disciplined or purged since Xi took power—an unprecedented figure. Xi’s vision has come under increasing fire as unified opposition to Beijing has increased in response to his aggressive foreign-policy moves and abolition of term limits.
Using armed struggle to motivate and unify the party is still part of the CCP playbook. However, previous PLA incursions on India’s border appeared politically inconvenient for Xi. In 2014, he appeared unaware that his own troops had crossed into Indian-controlled territory ahead of his meeting with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Purges of general officers and reorganization of PLA units on the borders in 2018 also lend to the impression that the PLA was acting independently of the party’s control but, much like in 1969, this could also be explained as plausible deniability for Xi.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby nam » 30 Mar 2021 14:08

If the CCP & PLA is planning to invade Taiwan, good for us. If I ignore the military aspect, just the resultant sanctions on China by US & Europe alone will causing hordes of companies to move out of China, hammering their economy, all for an island with no resource or strategic gain. :rotfl:

Forget invading, let the CCP first take over Taiwanese companies in China.. :lol:

CCP knows this. That's why it hasn't invaded Taiwan so far.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby LakshmanPST » 30 Mar 2021 23:13

Chinese Ambassador to Brazil just called Trudeau a "running dog of the US"... :lol: :lol: :lol: https://twitter.com/CGChinaLiYang/statu ... 81604?s=19

Boy, your greatest achievement is to have ruined the friendly relations between China and Canada, and have turned Canada into a running dog of the US. Spendthrift!!!

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby sanjaykumar » 31 Mar 2021 02:32

Ah those batty Chinese.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby srikandan » 31 Mar 2021 02:46

Canada's continuting imprisonmemt of the Huawei chief and listening in on the converssations with the US is probably why the Chinese diplo is abusing Canadian PM Turdo.

https://news.yahoo.com/canadian-authori ... 50261.html

Her defense lawyer Tony Paisana said authorities failed to read Meng her rights, give her access to a lawyer or consular support, or safeguard her seized phones and laptop when she was detained during a Vancouver stopover in December 2018.

Border and federal police officers last year admitted to a series of errors -- including giving passcodes for Meng's electronic devices to US authorities -- but testified there was no intent to breach her rights.


I am sure those passcodes were handed to the NSA purely out of a sheer mistake committed by some police officers , no doubt. :roll:

China is holding 2 canadians in prison but they are low value, so the prisoner exchange has not happened and is not likely to, given hardening of positions on both sides. China seems to be digging in with its antogonistic approach with US/Canada/EU. They are also antagonizing all their near neighbours too -- this must be some incredible Sun Tzu 5-dimensonal Go strategy at play here, clearly.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby kit » 04 Apr 2021 16:55

https://medium.com/@giant_cheng/what-is-the-name-of-chinese-secret-services-b88d5a33c21c

There needs to be a good discussion on the Chinese intelligence agencies and their operations inside India.,

it is likely that China is focussing on internal subterfuge, political interference, espionage and covert operations inside India since it is no longer tenable for an open conflict against India. Also to focus on targetted assassinations in the technology, nuclear and research scientists.


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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby chetak » 05 Apr 2021 13:34

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A nice view of the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby kit » 05 Apr 2021 13:46

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2021/04/02/2003754939


The US is undertaking “strategic planning” with ally Australia to consider potential joint responses to a war over Taiwan, US President Joe Biden’s top diplomat in Canberra said yesterday.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 10 Apr 2021 08:14

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/indi ... 210409.htm
Army strengthens Mountain Strikes Corps looking after China border
Roshneesh Kmaneck, April 09, 2021

Further strengthening its deployments along the Northern borders, the Indian Army is adding around 10,000 more troops to its only mountain strike corps responsible for looking after offensive operations along the China border.
The strengthening of the Mountain Strike Corps is part of the steps taken by the force to rebalance its focus more towards the Chinese border from the western front with Pakistan.
An existing Division formation, with around 10,000 troops, located in the Eastern sector has now been assigned to the 17 Mountain Strike Corps headquartered in West Bengal's Panagarh, government sources said. "The Mountain Strike Corps was cleared by the Centre about a decade ago but it had only one division attached to it and with the latest step, it will now have more firepower and manpower at its disposal to carry out its assigned task," they said. The army has also done a lot of rebalancing in the recent past and a number of formations have been given dual tasks and asked to focus more towards the China border which erupted last year due to the Chinese aggression in eastern Ladakh and other areas.
Meanwhile, the Indian Army and other security forces have also started returning to the summer deployments in the Ladakh sector and other mountainous areas along the Line of Actual Control.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Manish_Sharma » 10 Apr 2021 19:53

TWITTER:

Edward N Luttwak
@ELuttwak :

To deride the US as a chess player viz the Go-playing Chinese ignores history: they were defeated & ruled by successive foreign conquerors for 1000+ years till 1912 & then invaded by Japan till it was defeated by the US not Chinese. Chess is for conquerors,Go for tricksters
https://twitter.com/ELuttwak/status/138 ... 71299?s=19

Yes & by playing Go the Chinese have been defeated & ruled by successive foreign conquerors for more than 1500 years till 1912 & then largely conquered by a few Japanese till the US defeated Japan. Chess (Shak Mat) is the game of conquerors,Go of the too-clever by half tricksters
https://twitter.com/ELuttwak/status/138 ... 28448?s=19

The Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. Ltd ,a very fine enterprise that produces the most advanced chips that power everything depends 100% on machinery produced in the Netherlands, Japan, & the US. The PRC is far behind & relies on TSMC for its weaponry. This must stop. Now
https://twitter.com/ELuttwak/status/138 ... 82278?s=19

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 11 Apr 2021 19:01

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/china-out ... ern-ladakh
China Outright Refuses To Pullback Troops From Gogra, Hot Springs Friction Points In Eastern Ladakh
by Swarajya Staff - Apr 10, 2021

The Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) has outright refused to pull-back its troops and weaponry from the Gogra and Hot Springs friction points in Eastern Ladakh, India Today has reported.
"The Chinese side appeared for the 11th round of talks on Friday with a predetermined decision to be totally inflexible", the report quotes an Army Official as saying. These were the first talks held between India and China after both the sides positively disengaged from Pangong Tso a few months ago. As troop, deployment in Gogra and Hot Springs remains significant on both sides, India had offered a phased reduction for both sides, which the Chinese refused to entertain.
So far disengagement process at both banks of the Pangong Lake has taken place. It was on February 10 that China made an announcement that New Delhi and Beijing had agreed to disengage at Pangong Lake. Indian Army team along with Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) team physically verified and re-verified disengagement at Pangong Lake. As per the agreement, Chinese troops moved back to Finger 8 and Indian troops pulled back to the Dhan Singh Thapa post between Finger 2 and 3 of the north bank of Pangong Lake.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 12 Apr 2021 17:44

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/12/china/so ... -+World%29
US and China deploy aircraft carriers in South China Sea as tensions simmer
By Brad Lendon, CNN, April 12, 2021

Hong Kong (CNN)Military activity in the South China Sea spiked over the weekend as a Chinese aircraft carrier entered the region and a US Navy expeditionary strike group wrapped up exercises.
Meanwhile, the US and Philippines were preparing for joint drills as the US secretary of defense proposed ways to deepen military cooperation between Washington and Manila after China massed vessels in disputed waters.
China's state-run Global Times on Sunday said the country's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, steamed into the South China Sea on Saturday after completing a week of naval exercises around Taiwan. There was no official announcement of the Liaoning's position, but the Chinese tabloid cited satellite images first reported by US media outlet The War Zone.
The Liaoning's reported arrival in the South China Sea came after a US Navy expeditionary strike group, fronted by the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt and amphibious assault ship USS Makin Island, conducted exercises in the South China Sea a day earlier. The two flat-top warships were joined by a cruiser, destroyers and smaller amphibious ships.
The ships also carried hundreds of Marine ground forces from the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit as well as their supporting helicopters and F-35 fighter jets. "This expeditionary strike force fully demonstrates that we maintain a combat-credible force, capable of responding to any contingency, deter aggression, and provide regional security and stability in support of a free and open Indo-Pacific," US Navy Capt. Stewart Bateshansky, commodore, Amphibious Squadron 3, said in a statement. Global Times quoted a Chinese military expert, Wei Dongxu, as saying the US Navy exercises were a provocation. Exercises by the Chinese carrier "can establish wider maritime defensive positions, safeguard China's coastal regions, and keep US military activities in check," the report said, citing Wei.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby srikandan » 13 Apr 2021 06:57



Australia’s share of imports came down to zero from 68.4% in January-February 2020, according to the data, while the United States boosted its share to 9.1% from under 2%, and Canada went to 12.1% from 6.1%.

China’s neighbour Mongolia has become its biggest supplier of coking coal, meeting 61.7% of imports in the first two months of this year, up from just 17.7% in the same period in 2020, according to official data.

Article headline suggests the opposite of what the article says -- China has replaced australia with Mongolia and USA for its coal supply. China is only paying a "high price" literally, not metaphorically.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby KLNMurthy » 13 Apr 2021 22:23

Speaking of neutering ...

Probably belongs on the China BENIS thread that existed at one time.

Definitely NSFW.


https://twitter.com/PrinceArihan/status ... 4734988289

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Manish_Sharma » 15 Apr 2021 00:16

Vivek Ahuja's scenario seems to be coming as reality:

https://www.opindia.com/2021/04/china-p ... ssion=true


China plans to build a super dam on the Brahmaputra river, rises security and environmental concerns in Tibet and India


China is planning to build a super dam on the Brahmaputra River in Tibet which will dwarf the Three Gorges Dam, the largest hydroelectric power project in the world. The dam is expected to produce triple the amount of electricity that the Three Gorges Dam produces at 300 billion kilowatts. This potential project has raised serious political concerns for India, on top of the grave environmental concerns.

The proposed structure will be laid over the Brahmaputra River, just before the river leaves the Himalayas and enters India, at a height of 4900 feet, across the world’s deepest and longest canyon. It is located close to the Indo-Tibet border at Arunachal Pradesh.

The proposed project is mentioned in China’s 14th Five-Year Plan, which was released in March at an annual congress of China’s top leaders and lawmakers. However, the plan does not have any details attached to it yet, including timeframe or budget.

The Brahmaputra River is known as the Yarlung Tsangpo in Tibet. The river already has two other projects built on it, with six more either in the planning stages or under construction. However, the super dam, which would be the largest hydroelectric power plant in the world when constructed, would be a much more massive project in scale.

The Project’s history

In October 2020, the local Tibetan government under China signed a “strategic cooperation agreement” with PowerChina, a specialized construction company with regard to hydroelectric projects.

After a month, the head of PowerChina, Yan Zhiyong, partially revealed the project ‘Medog Dam’ to the youth wing of China’s ruling party, the Communist Youth League.

Sharing his enthusiasm about “the world’s richest region in terms of hydroelectric resources”, Yan Zhiyong explained that the super dam would draw its electric power from the huge drop of the river at this particular section.

Serious concerns raised regarding the project

The proposed project has raised some serious political concerns for India, with analysts noting that the Chinese Communist Party is in a prime position to control the water supply of much of the Indian subcontinent.

Brahma Chellaney, an acknowledged geo-strategist writes, “Water wars are a key component of such warfare because they allow China to leverage its upstream Tibet-centred power over the most essential natural resource.”

The Brahmaputra mega-dam, which is to be built in a seismically active area vulnerable to earthquakes, will be a “ticking water bomb” for communities residing downstream, warns Chellaney.

“The expanding water war is clearly part of China’s integrated, multidimensional strategy against India, which seeks to employ all available means short of open war. Its unconventional war is profoundly impacting every core Indian interest,” Mr. Chellaney wrote.

There are also grave environmental concerns associated with this project, partly because of the legacy of the Three Gorges Dam which displaced 1.4 million inhabitants upstream.

“Building a dam the size of the super-dam is likely a really bad idea for many reasons,” said Brian Eyler, a program director at the Stimson Center, a U.S. think tank.

In addition to being known for its seismic activity, the area also contains unique biodiversity which would be severely threatened by the project. The dam would block the migration of fish and sediment flow which makes the soil fertile during seasonal floods downstream, Eyler said.

Tempa Gyaltsen Zamlha, an environmental policy expert at the Tibet Policy Institute, noted, “We have a very rich Tibetan cultural heritage in those areas, and any dam construction would cause ecological destruction, submergence of parts of that region.”

“Many local residents would be forced to leave their ancestral homes,” he said, adding that the project will encourage migration of Han Chinese workers that “gradually becomes a permanent settlement”, further eroding the historic and ethnic demography of Tibet.

In reaction to this super dam idea, India has floated the prospect of building another dam downstream on the Brahmaputra River in order tp shore up its own water reserves.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Philip » 15 Apr 2021 01:29

I have just been watching an intriguing interview of Alistair Crooke,ex- MI-6 agent who now runs a think tank on RT. A lot of it concerned the US vs China and Russia, with the EU in a similar " running dog" status of the US! The west's relations with both going rapidly downhill.
Anti-Iran,anti-Syria,etc. campaigns by the US and EU. Turkey with Ottoman imperial delusions supporting anti- Syrian,anti-Kurdish forces. The prevention of reconstruction of Syria a goal of the west. The Chin FM on a visit to Iran wanted ME nations to resist such western pressure, and usher in a non-nuclear ME which affects Israel. The PRC has the audacity to now announce a Chin diktat , a " Pax- China" agenda for the entire ME! Crooke says Syria is in such a sad state, huge outside interference in its affairs, a severe indictment of the US/West.
The UKR situ discussed too,US transports landing in plenty into the UKR, stirring the pot, with worries that the UKR with US/ EU backing will attack the pro-Ru Donbass eastern UKR region and a conflict with Russia is a distinct possibility.

In all this,the relentless Chin goal of bypassing the maritime trade route through east-west rail links from the PRC to Europe is a future inevitability. Persia used to be a major hub centuries ago and China with its $500M trade deal with Iran,secure oil for massive infra investment has kicked off. This is the wider global picture where India has little or no role to play! Chahbahar is a small attempt by us to retain some influence with Central Asia and Russia. The PRC keeps our attention diverted in the Himalayas and inthe Asia- Pacific maritime sphere.

Our blinkered ineffective MEA for decades, can't see the wood for the trees. What I was told over 20 years ago by the pro-India Foreign Min. of a friendly country,warning me about the intentions of the Chins and great danger to India , with our side oblivious to the threat has v.sadly come true.He then said that the PRC was achieving so much by merely flexing its wrists,not yet its muscles and that we were then doing precious little in countering the PRC and safeguarding our interests. It was a few years after this that the new SL govt. of the Rajapakses prostituted themselves to the Chins, which has only inceased in debauchery today.

Watching the interview, it is evident that the PRC has now started opening the throttle across the globe.Daily airspace provocations with Taiwan.
Its fishing fleet with mil. support taking over more islands ,etc. in the EEZ of the Phillippines. The rail route through Central Asia/ Pak ( BRI) to obviate maritime trade through the chokepoints,while still trying to encircle India in the IOR with deals with corrupt autocratic littorral states like Sri Lanka ,etc. In this new Great Game, India is a marginal player. With the US retreating from Afghanistan ,the Taliban with ISI support are in pole position for the takeover of the state.The PRC would not be a mute spectator,using its catamite Pak as proxy.

The Quad is going to be if merely a non- mil. club
a sideshow , unable to counter the PRC's " fishing fleet" from yet another Indo- China Sea " Chinese takeaway". With increased anti- Chin policies of the US ,it is only bringing Russia and the PRC closer together. We are finding it v.difficult treading the needle between relations with old-timd friend Russia and new-found suitor the US as the latter threatens us with sanctions for purchase of Ru arms like S-400s,vital to our defence against the PRC.If we still remain a " peon of the US" as Bharat Karnad describes our foreign policy, we will end up as an insignificant global player vis-a-vis the PRC which is massively militarising Tibet after the Ladakh spat. With our economy in a severe crisis due to the pandemic, our options are limited and a total review of our foreign policy,leveraging every bit of influence we have with smaller nations too apart from major powers must be done. "We cannot miss seeing the global wood for the regional trees."

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby srikandan » 17 Apr 2021 01:12

Edward Luttwak:
Remedy needed: as many as 200 PRC militarized trawlers have surrounded Whitsun Reef , the Julian Felipe Reef of the Philippines & well within its EEZ. With this method the PRC has already won 2 structures. Outnumbering being impossible, it is either bigger-vessel push or loss


Some message from all the pro-US commentary, So China is invading EEZ of other countries after ratifying UNCLOS -- India should learn a lesson or two from China about how to deal with this so called "rule-based international order". Rules are only binding on India when feels like it or when it does not have the werewithal to violate it.

So US violating EEZ is the US "testing" India's adherence to UNCLOS, and the US is well within its right to do so because it has not ratified UNCLOS....... but..... China violating EEZ is a matter of concern because it has ratified UNCLOS and is "violating the international rules-based order of UNCLOS".

The lesson for India is right here in this case study, esp. in the context of this much-avowed "rules-based International order" that GoI seems to be so keen on, superficially, for the sake our children, and our children's children's children.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Manish_Sharma » 20 Apr 2021 16:44

Parveen sawhney ki kambal kutai:

TWITTER:
Sawhney wrote:
PLA deploys Rocket Force against India. Pressure mounts on India to accept PLA demand: restore Union Territory of Ladakh to pre August 5, 2019 status. I don’t believe China will go to war - this is military coercion to which Modi gov has succumbed before! https://t.co/MTfZwEFoIr
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Now bitchslapping starts:

@ak5985965 :

Nonsense. You really don't do your research sir. Atleast read Chinese Orbat. Let me educate you

1. Chinese strategic rocket forces are just their rocket arty (like our Pinakas, Smerch etc) clubbed into a different arm. Like when we created Army Air Defence from Regt of Arty

1/n

Just because they call it "Rocket Force" doesn't mean anything. Please tell me how many MBRLs , missiles they have brought to theatre ? What are their CEP and ranges?

2. Now whats our posture? IAF is tasked for air dominance and strike. Their forces will be hit by IAF.

2/n

We also have 05 Brahmos Regts of which adequate nos are in theatre. MBRLs also. There is enough tube arty to support any fire plan already in theatre.

3. If hostilities start we have a lot of armour and mech forces in theatre as well. Its in the public domain that we have

3/n

inducted over 3 armd bdes equivalent. If Chinese start anything this armour will smash through. Its not rocket science that Spangur gap, Demchok, Depsnag are ideal armour country :wink:

Rutog is history if China starts anything. And Moldo will go before that obviously

4/n

4. The funny thing in your tweet is that China does not want to fight. And for the first time I agree with you. After getting hammered in Galwan by our bayonet charge and their pain at Kailash ranges, we know Chinese can't and won't fight

So why on earth will we capitulate

5/n

to someone we know we can beat and who does not want to fight.

5. Modi is not insane that he backtracks on Art 370 and loses all credibility. Only way 370 goes is if China conquers India and then reverses 370 as the new ruler

That can only happen in your (wet ?) dreams

N/n

https://twitter.com/Ak5985965/status/13 ... 26272?s=19

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Philip » 21 Apr 2021 06:48

They've brought in their 150+km MBRL. The do plan to fight.
In fact after our robust response in Ladakh, their military buildup is multiplying with new weapon systems,etc. being brought into Tibet. We too are trying to plug the gaps and increase our counterstrike capability.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby RKumar » 21 Apr 2021 13:29

It is foolish to think that China is not willing to fight with 50K military man backed up with heavy weapons on the border. I think we made a mistake by not firing first during the doklam conflict. It has only emboldened China to test India's limits. On the positive side, we have broken the will of Napak on all platforms - political, military or international level.

In the current circumstances, we have to keep calm. I do sincerely hope, we don't sign or agree on any new agreement with NaPaki or China during the next half year. There are high chances that we compromise our position due to COVID, it is better to do lip service while keeping communication open and an army fully prepared. We should try to conclude negotiation when we are in a strong position.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby ArjunPandit » 21 Apr 2021 14:54

Philip wrote:They've brought in their 150+km MBRL. The do plan to fight.
In fact after our robust response in Ladakh, their military buildup is multiplying with new weapon systems,etc. being brought into Tibet. We too are trying to plug the gaps and increase our counterstrike capability.


i think they are just testing their supply lines which havent been tested for decades..such scenes with india, give their troops an exposure in tough environment with a sturdy force at a very low risk. To me it seems they are training their forces at low cost (in lives lost) for a future conflict..they cant be expected to fight with taiwan phillipines, japan and india at the same time...that is hwat they are poking right now..

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Philip » 22 Apr 2021 10:37

4 dead dozens injured in a suicide attack on a 5* hotel in Quetta which was hosting the Chin ambassador and 4 other Chinkos.
Sadly the amby was out of the hotel when it happened.Great work by the Baluchi rebels.Target as many Chinkos as possible.Don't let the Godless PRC commies take over your nation! Let them quit Baluchistan!

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Philip » 23 Apr 2021 10:22

Chin defence min. Wei Fenghe aka "WeWee Fungus",is visiting SL this week from the 28-29th. for " closer cooperation " with the GOSL .Chin pimp,the Goat, has effectively scotched all Indian and Japanese JVs with the GOSL favouring only his Chin masters.
There are over 20 petitions in the SL SC against a bill which would virtually hand over the Port City project at Colombo to the Chins,creating a Chin colony on the island where they would govern freely without interference.

It's past time for the GOI to read out the riot act to the Goat and his familia, that such pandering to the Chins is totally unacceptable to India and have devastating consequences.
Time to dust off Mrs.G's plans for the island when the late pres.JR Jayawardeneclost control of his rabid hounds who went berserk against Tamils in the island during the July 23rd. riots of 1983 where thousands of Tamils all over the island were butchered by his partymen.

If SL does not change tack,then India MUST look towards a military intervention if only to prevent the island from turning into another Cuban crisis,where the Chins plan to station their nuclear armed subs and warships in their strongholds in the island gifted to them by their catamite the Goat.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby chetak » 23 Apr 2021 17:02

RKumar wrote:It is foolish to think that China is not willing to fight with 50K military man backed up with heavy weapons on the border. I think we made a mistake by not firing first during the doklam conflict. It has only emboldened China to test India's limits. On the positive side, we have broken the will of Napak on all platforms - political, military or international level.

In the current circumstances, we have to keep calm. I do sincerely hope, we don't sign or agree on any new agreement with NaPaki or China during the next half year. There are high chances that we compromise our position due to COVID, it is better to do lip service while keeping communication open and an army fully prepared. We should try to conclude negotiation when we are in a strong position.


If xi is sure of a victory, only then will he fight.

The IA has reacted in a way that even the ameriki army would not have done. That has surprised and subdued the hans for the present.

The hans now know that the IA is not going away anytime soon and they have no sources either among the banished lootyens cabal or the babooze's circuit to know what is happening in dilli. That is also why all their "discussions" on withdrawal are so protracted, long drawn and tedious

xi's PLANarmy is not much to write home about and nor is his untested PLANAF or PLANnavy.

a standoff or a stalemate or the merest possibility of even an outright defeat like what happened with India at ladakh, doklam and galwan humiliates the hans and lowers xi's authority and prestige.

A lot of han generals have joined and retired without ever having fired a weapon in anger. their namby pamby soldiers are mostly pampered single kids because of the erstwhile one child per family norm and kids who will not risk their skins.

Modi is very different from biden or any of the other world leaders that xi has gone up against.

If the next govt is pappuized or commie influenced in any major way, xi will be invited to stroll into India. He is therefore biding his time and keeping his powder dry.

Xi, along with the BIF, will make a major play during the next Indian gen elections to try and unseat Modi and hopefully ensure that some pappu type will become the PM

He needs the Indian population to be han friendly and benignly receptive to the idea of the superiority of the han just like the east India company wanted of the natives to be, two odd centuries ago.

the cheeni were extremely upset when the aam aadmi in India showed such public hostility and deep hatred for the cheenis during the ladakh standoff.

xi needs India's resources, labor and assets to benefit only the hans and for that, he has to be extractive just like the britshits were. Modi's rejection of the CPEC has been a huge blow for xi and his planners, and xi desperately hopes that the next govt, after the regime change will allow the CPEC back into India as I am very sure that the congis will do so if they ever come to power in dilli

Even in pak, the hans are exploitative and extractive and the paki na mard abdools are revolting against such an attitude when, all along, the pakis planned to be extractive of the hans just as they were extractive of the US

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Kati » 24 Apr 2021 12:10

Newsweek

Over 500 U.S. Scientists Under Investigation for Being Compromised by China

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby RKumar » 24 Apr 2021 15:20

chetak wrote:If xi is sure of a victory, only then will he fight.

A lot of han generals have joined and retired without ever having fired a weapon in anger. their namby pamby soldiers are mostly pampered single kids because of the erstwhile one child per family norm and kids who will not risk their skins.

Modi is very different from biden or any of the other world leaders that xi has gone up against.

If the next govt is pappuized or commie influenced in any major way, xi will be invited to stroll into India. He is therefore biding his time and keeping his powder dry.

He needs the Indian population to be han friendly and benignly receptive to the idea of the superiority of the han just like the east India company wanted of the natives to be, two odd centuries ago.

xi needs India's resources, labor and assets to benefit only the hans and for that, he has to be extractive just like the britshits were. US



I agree with your inputs,
- they don’t care what public think, this concept is alien to them.
- they want to capture Taiwan, this border row was for world show. Which flopped and back fired badly.
- completely agree, no one in world like strong government in India. They will do everything possible in their power to alter this. Modi ji got unexpected super majority, no one expecting this. This show aam adami on the road is not stupid - we are reasonable people with our own heads.
- next elections will be make or break for India, there will be heavy international interference. GoI has to be on alert as well as people.
- defense forces displayed very professional as well as leadership skills.
- at the center, leadership is strong headed - that made the main difference for India as well as for the world. We will read more in 15-20 years.


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