Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016

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shyamd wrote:
Ambar wrote: If you are talking about the Amrullah Saleh faction in northern Afg then it has the support of Russia, Tajakistan and some say even China. If so then RAW and MEA have bungled up because historically northern faction was very close to India. It increasingly makes sense now why Russia conducted a military exercise with Tajakistan last month and China this month.

The Chinese state media on twitter are openly mocking the US and threatening Taiwan. In their latest tweet, they have warned Taiwan to extract lessons from US' colossal failure in Afghanistan and the chaos they are leaving behind.
GOI nat sec establishment has been preparing for this for a while and is in regular contact with a number of individuals one of which is Saleh. Discussion was ongoing since Feb.
If Twitterati are to be believed the new northern faction has already folded. No news on where Amrullah Saleh is but hopefully him and his commanders will find a way to Tajakistan and live to fight for another day.

In other news US Sec of State Anthony Blinken said in an interview today that the US is willing to recognize the taliban and work with them if the later can guarantee "human rights" :rotfl: I am glad he did not ask them to guarantee the sanctity of pronouns and gender diversity in taliban armed forces !
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Islamists & Pakistan are again missing from the narrative, no questions about them.

People are only conveniently talking about Afgan Taliban, which is not the complete picture. Dangerous signs...
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Just before PM Modi was sworn in, there was an attack on indian consulate in Herat. The objective was to take hostages and start negotiation with the new government as a form of a "welcome" from the Paki brown pants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_atta ... e_in_Herat

Oldies might remember.

The situation is dire now like that. Telebunnies probably have ISI types who are probably salivating to do an embassy hostage situation AKA Iran-Massa-Jimmy Carter days.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/16/us/p ... ights.html
The Pentagon said Monday that at this time there were no flights coming or going, military or civilian, into Hamid Karzai International Airport.
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People so easily forget that our embassy/consulate was bombed twice. Even the US embassy was not targeted like this.

Yet here we are, on the verge of recognizing the same lot, who bombed us.

The only silver lining in all these hugama is that US will feel humiliated. Hopefully all the gloating by Pak on SM & by their dimmer leader would lead to some serious cutoff in the backing by US to Pak.

Dimmer will be waiting for the call for long time.
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Not since WW2 have we seen the political, military and cultural norms of a big and powerful country take a 180 degree turn as we've seen the US do in the last few years. Even 12 or 15 years back i could see US doing something, anything about the Paki perfidy but that's no longer the case today. We have known islamic supporters in many departments, the far left has enormous power over the current administration, so if anything they'll approve more aid to Pakistan along with the millions they already give them for security, gender studies etc. It will be very interesting to see what happens when Blinken keeps his word and recognizes Taliban. Will we see taliban maulvis run foreign consulates with their flag of jihad on the consulate buildings in western countries ? Will we see red carpet rolled out and a lunch appointment with the queen in Buckingham for Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar , the new emir of the newly minted Islamic Caliphate ?
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The US president needs to resign. He’s thrown everyone under the bus. He owns this.
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Mort Walker wrote:The US president needs to resign. He’s thrown everyone under the bus. He owns this.
Mort'ji, in urdu "Unhe aur bhi jaleel hona baki hain". That is, they remain to be embarrassed even more.

This is the article from TheHill https://thehill.com/opinion/internation ... er-taliban

When CNN analcysts become pentagon spokies, what else you will get. Disaster and more disaster.

Already this admin is looking jaded and may not even last beyond 2022.
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The US President was senator for nearly 38 years and US Vice President for 8 years. The precipitous pull out of the US and collapse of the ANA lies solely with the current leadership of the US NSA, CIA and SD.

Yet no one wants to address the real reason why this is happening. The Taliban is funded and organized in Pakistan.
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They don't plain and simple. Who is going to listen to them anyway now?

so much for QUAD etc

Interestingly they had the galls to pull a slick one in India's EEZ
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Mort Walker wrote:The US president needs to resign. He’s thrown everyone under the bus. He owns this.

there is onlee mylaapur maami waiting in the wings

and, she's driving the bus
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Mort Walker wrote:The US president needs to resign. He’s thrown everyone under the bus. He owns this.
He does, no point in blaming Trump etc. This guy has dementia and God save the world. The mylapore mami is nowhere in the picture., looks like the jihadis taken over white house with a dummy as figurehead.
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US intelligence agencies have failed in past. Every time we argue that it is not their failure. It is part of long term plan of US, thus giving them benefit of doubt every time. If it really a part of long term plan then they have messed up and lost credibility..
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Any idiot from Kerala or UP or WB or any other Indian state travelling to Afg to join the new "caliphate" should have their citizenship permanently cancelled. My fear is those ISIS brides who were stuck in Afg may take this opportunity to return back or may have already returned back.
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Mort Walker wrote:The US president needs to resign. He’s thrown everyone under the bus. He owns this.
No he doesn't own this. It is the president , the prime minister, and the defense minister of Afghanistan and the Afghanistan military that gave up without firing a shot or even try to resist that owns this. They failed to rally the troops or muster the will and morale of the troops that were well armed by the Americans to stand up to the Taliban.

If the people don't want to fight the Taliban, then you are just wasting money, resources, and lives needlessly. US invested 20 years and trillions of dollars and what did the Afghan people show for it? By surrendering to Taliban at the first opportunity. There was no way that US was willing to sustain this conflict for this long. This is already the longest war that the US has been in and US does not want to spend a single dollar more. That was made clear by people on both sides of the aisle including Trump supporters and the liberals.

Yes it is very disturbing and disappointing to see the Afghanistan government fall to the Taliban but it was not the fault of President Biden that the Afghanistan government folded like a house of cards and fell to the Taliban. That blame lies with the Afghan people.
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Agree! If anything the unfolding events prove Biden's point about the futility of continuing in Afghanistan. The US exit was surely not graceful but the disgrace goes to Afghan forrces who switched & Govt that ditched the moment US presence and pressure diminished.
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rsingh wrote:I see people are bringing Iranian model in posts. I think Iran is and was quite different. Iranians are educated people. They have litrature, culture and functioning economy which is not bad despite sanctions. They may be hanging people from crains but they have capability to make rocket and enriched material for bombs. Afghans on other hand have nothing except dry fruits and broken Budha statues. Li mines and all that ........well we will see.


The problem with India is that there is so much freedom that the populace cannot imagine the vast prisons that are many Islamic countries, China etc.

Making a rocket is much easier than resisting flogging women. It means nothing. They can ruminate on Rumi. Means nothing.
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I am looking for commentary from Arundhati Roy, Shabana Azmi, A G Noorani, Rana Ayoub, Saif Ali Khan. And also the mian in the street in Agra and Meerut.

They have a perfect opportunity to spite India by moving to Afghanistan.
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Cyrano wrote:Agree! If anything the unfolding events prove Biden's point about the futility of continuing in Afghanistan. The US exit was surely not graceful but the disgrace goes to Afghan forrces who switched & Govt that ditched the moment US presence and pressure diminished.
It is squarely the fault of the current US regime. Everyone past and present knew full well the Taliban is armed and trained in Pakistan. The Taliban retreat when confronted and return at a later date from their eastern border. The only solution was to place crippling sanctions on Pakistan followed by the threat of attack. Just like was done to Iran. Blaming the ANA or Afghan political leadership is cowardice by the US president and others who follow such cretins so blindly. The US president must resign.

Remember, this is the same person who as vice president opposed the US operation to kill OBL. He knew what was going on.

The agreements set out by Mike Pompeo in 2020 were contingent on ground conditions in Afghanistan. The disorderly US withdrawal with Pakistan picking up the pieces means failure, rather negligence, of US intelligence with the US president asleep.

Ex-Obama adviser argues Biden should fire Sullivan over Afghanistan
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Who are the Taliban?

Given that the Taliban were originally armed by the USA, the only reason for US forces to be in Afghanistan was the hot-headed knee jerk reaction following the 9/11 attacks. Makes sense that a new generation that wasn't around when 9/11 happened would not be as committed to staying the course. That the Taliban, Afghan or Pakistan people sometimes exercise their religious freedom by living like cavemen is not really relevant until it impacts the mainland somehow.
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Ambar wrote:
If Twitterati are to be believed the new northern faction has already folded. No news on where Amrullah Saleh is but hopefully him and his commanders will find a way to Tajakistan and live to fight for another day.
Some kind of anti-Taliban resistance is building up. Saleh is currently in Panjshehr with the son of Ahmad Shah Massoud. This area was the stronghold Massoud and his son is still commands respect and has hundreds of fighters on his side. There were some reports that many fierecely anti-Taliban intelligence & military officals were getting together in Panjshehr.

What is also expected is Dostum and Rabbani will regroup (though they had to flee Mazer-i-Sharif) and may still enjoy some popular support in the areas they formerly held.
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US got spectacularly played by Pakistan-Qatar-China-Russia-Turkey. While i don't believe anyone including India is surprised that the taliban are back in power, it is how it happened which will live on in infamy . The previous US administration had an agreement to quietly wind down the operation and have a government in Kabul that shares power with the Taliban. If after US had completely withdrawn even if the Taliban usurped the power all to themselves then it wouldn't have been US' problem. This was the agreement but the Taliban with blessings from the 5 powers above decided to take the military route and overrun the country instead likely to humiliate the US. This is a culmination of 20 years of failed US policies - diplomatic, political and military. The puppet government in Kabul was installed by the US, the hapless and corrupt Ghani was installed by the US govt, the ANA was trained and armed by the US, the war was lead and waged by the US, so yes, this is US' defeat and made so much worse by its intelligence (which has failed "bigly" in Libya, Syria and Afghanistan now) and its administration which planned the incredibly botched up climax to the long war.

Biden mumbled something about Russia and China regretting that they are close to recognizing the taliban. Well, Biden's own Sec. of State Anthony Blinken is on the record saying US too will recognize the taliban provided they maintain "human rights" ! Delusional or plain stupid or just incompetent ? He made this statement after already having seen the taliban butcher unarmed ANA commandos 2 weeks ago !

What next ? A flailing and old Biden with a image problem will try to do something "macho" soon to repair his damaged reputation. As usual US will pick a weak enemy and likely the whipping boy will be Iran. Few missiles, few boisterous statements by the POTUS and all is well with the world again.

@krishgo - Amrullah Saleh and his lieutenants need to hide out in Tajakistan until the dust settles. Pakistan will not rest until the northern faction is completely wiped out. Do remember that a week before 9/11 attacks, Ahmed Shah Masood was killed by AQ. Amrullah Saleh may get another day to fight if he lives. If nothing else he can atleast continue to tell the world about Pakistan's duplicity and its perfidy.
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chetak wrote:Image
The Gobar times is full of Gobar bravado. They were talking about how "poor logistics and acclimatization" caused causalities in the Indian side but not on the cheen side in the galwan clash.

Then it came out that many cheeni soldiers got 72 meetings with Confucius.

Then Gobar times screamed in its headlines that "China had shown restraint by not publicizing causalities to keep domestic opinion from boiling over"

Me thinks Gobar times is trying too hard to become Eleven's best buddy, when they are viewed by CCP itself as a useless rag.
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Mort Walker wrote: It is squarely the fault of the current US regime. Everyone past and present knew full well the Taliban is armed and trained in Pakistan. The Taliban retreat when confronted and return at a later date from their eastern border. The only solution was to place crippling sanctions on Pakistan followed by the threat of attack. Just like was done to Iran. Blaming the ANA or Afghan political leadership is cowardice by the US president and others who follow such cretins so blindly. The US president must resign.
{Deleted} The Afghan army folded like a house of cards. They did not even fire a shot!!! They simply switched sides and left the Afghan leaders to hanging. If you have no army backing you up, then you got zilch, nada, nothing. No amount of arms or material support will save you if you have no will to fight. The US cannot provide the will. Only the Afghan people can and they have spoken largely. They decided to meekly submit to the rule of the Taliban than the preexisting government. And for that they will pay a huge price and they have no one else to blame but themselves.

Come on, do you honestly expect that the Taliban could have beaten the Afghan Army that was 2-3 times its size and was better equipped and better supplied if the Afghan Army decided to fight? No not by a long shot. If you have no will or morale, no amount of arms and material support will help you win.
Mort Walker wrote: Remember, this is the same person who as vice president opposed the US operation to kill OBL. He knew what was going on.

The agreements set out by Mike Pompeo in 2020 were contingent on ground conditions in Afghanistan. The disorderly US withdrawal with Pakistan picking up the pieces means failure, rather negligence, of US intelligence with the US president asleep.
No one expected the Afghan armed forces to fold and switch sides so quickly or the leaders to throw in the towel so quickly. They had troops, arms, and supplies. Yet they gave up without firing a shot. How do you expect to continue to support a side and for how long? US did everything and threw in the bathtub. They spent trillions of dollars and subsidized the Afghan army with arms and training. What did they do when they faced their first real test? They folded. That's not Biden's fault. It is the fault of the entire US security apparatus for thinking that they could win the Afghanistan War on the cheap and tried to find cheap ways around it instead of facing the hard reality and paying the piper when due. Otherwise they were just holding a leash to a tiger. As soon as they let go of the leash, the tiger turned around and bit them.
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Excerpt from Biden' s speech and clearly on point:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/16/us/p ... peech.html

[quote=Biden]

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When I came into office, I inherited a deal that President Trump negotiated with the Taliban. Under his agreement, U.S. forces would be out of Afghanistan by May 1, 2021, just a little over three months after I took office. U.S. forces had already drawn down during the Trump administration from roughly 15,500 American forces to 2,500 troops in country. And the Taliban was at its strongest militarily since 2001.

The choice I had to make as your president was either to follow through on that agreement or be prepared to go back to fighting the Taliban in the middle of the spring fighting season. There would have been no cease-fire after May 1. There was no agreement protecting our forces after May 1. There was no status quo of stability without American casualties after May 1. There was only the cold reality of either following through on the agreement to withdraw our forces or escalating the conflict and sending thousands more American troops back into combat in Afghanistan, and lurching into the third decade of conflict.

I stand squarely behind my decision. After 20 years, I’ve learned the hard way that there was never a good time to withdraw U.S. forces. That’s why we’re still there. We were cleareyed about the risks. We planned for every contingency. But I always promised the American people that I will be straight with you.

The truth is, this did unfold more quickly than we had anticipated. So what’s happened? Afghanistan political leaders gave up and fled the country. The Afghan military collapsed, sometimes without trying to fight. If anything, the developments of the past week reinforced that ending U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan now was the right decision.

American troops cannot and should not be fighting in a war and dying in a war that Afghan forces are not willing to fight for themselves. We spent over a trillion dollars. We trained and equipped an Afghan military force of some 300,000 strong. Incredibly well equipped. A force larger in size than the militaries of many of our NATO allies. We gave them every tool they could need. We paid their salaries, provided for the maintenance of their air force, something the Taliban doesn’t have. Taliban does not have an air force. We provided close air support. We gave them every chance to determine their own future. What we could not provide them was the will to fight for that future.

There are some very brave and capable Afghan special forces units and soldiers. But if Afghanistan is unable to mount any real resistance to the Taliban now, there is no chance that one year — one more year, five more years or 20 more years — that U.S. military boots on the ground would have made any difference.

Here’s what I believe to my core: It is wrong to order American troops to step up when Afghanistan’s own armed forces would not. The political leaders of Afghanistan were unable to come together for the good of their people, unable to negotiate for the future of their country when the chips were down. They would never have done so while U.S. troops remained in Afghanistan bearing the brunt of the fighting for them. And our true strategic competitors, China and Russia, would love nothing more than the United States to continue to funnel billions of dollars in resources and attention into stabilizing Afghanistan indefinitely. [end of excerpt] [/quote]
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hgupta wrote:
Mort Walker wrote: It is squarely the fault of the current US regime. Everyone past and present knew full well the Taliban is armed and trained in Pakistan. The Taliban retreat when confronted and return at a later date from their eastern border. The only solution was to place crippling sanctions on Pakistan followed by the threat of attack. Just like was done to Iran. Blaming the ANA or Afghan political leadership is cowardice by the US president and others who follow such cretins so blindly. The US president must resign.
{Deleted} The Afghan army folded like a house of cards. They did not even fire a shot!!! They simply switched sides and left the Afghan leaders to hanging. If you have no army backing you up, then you got zilch, nada, nothing. No amount of arms or material support will save you if you have no will to fight. The US cannot provide the will. Only the Afghan people can and they have spoken largely. They decided to meekly submit to the rule of the Taliban than the preexisting government. And for that they will pay a huge price and they have no one else to blame but themselves.

Come on, do you honestly expect that the Taliban could have beaten the Afghan Army that was 2-3 times its size and was better equipped and better supplied if the Afghan Army decided to fight? No not by a long shot. If you have no will or morale, no amount of arms and material support will help you win.
Mort Walker wrote: Remember, this is the same person who as vice president opposed the US operation to kill OBL. He knew what was going on.

The agreements set out by Mike Pompeo in 2020 were contingent on ground conditions in Afghanistan. The disorderly US withdrawal with Pakistan picking up the pieces means failure, rather negligence, of US intelligence with the US president asleep.
No one expected the Afghan armed forces to fold and switch sides so quickly or the leaders to throw in the towel so quickly. They had troops, arms, and supplies. Yet they gave up without firing a shot. How do you expect to continue to support a side and for how long? US did everything and threw in the bathtub. They spent trillions of dollars and subsidized the Afghan army with arms and training. What did they do when they faced their first real test? They folded. That's not Biden's fault. It is the fault of the entire US security apparatus for thinking that they could win the Afghanistan War on the cheap and tried to find cheap ways around it instead of facing the hard reality and paying the piper when due. Otherwise they were just holding a leash to a tiger. As soon as they let go of the leash, the tiger turned around and bit them.
Meet the next leader of Afghanistan: Abdul Ghani Baradar is veteran resistance fighter who saw off the Russians and was FREED from a Pakistani jail by Donald Trump as part of deal with Taliban
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... istan.html
Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, one of the co-founders of the Taliban, was freed from jail in Pakistan three years ago at the request of the U.S. government.

Just nine months ago, he posed for pictures with Donald Trump's Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to sign a peace deal in Doha which today lies in tatters.

On Sunday, his forces seized Kabul and he is now tipped to become Afghanistan's next leader in a reversal of fortune which humiliates Washington.

While Haibatullah Akhundzada is the Taliban's overall leader, Baradar is head of its political office and one of the most recognisable faces of the chiefs who have been involved in peace talks in Qatar.

The 53-year-old was deputy leader under ex-chief Mullah Mohammed Omar, whose support for Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden led to the US-led invasion of Afghanistan after 9/11.

Baradar is reported to have flown immediately from Doha to Kabul on Sunday evening as the militants were storming the presidential palace.

Born in Uruzgan province in 1968, Baradar was raised in Kandahar, the birthplace of the Taliban movement.

He fought with the mujahideen against the Soviets in the 1980s until they were driven out in 1989.

Afterwards, Afghanistan was gripped by a blood civil war between rival warlords and Baradar set up an Islamic school in Kandahar with his former commander Mohammed Omar.

The two mullahs helped to found the Taliban movement, an ideology which embraced hardline orthodoxy and strived for the creation of an Islamic Emirate.

Fuelled by zealotry, hatred of greedy warlords and with financial backing from Pakistan's secret services, the Taliban seized power in 1996 after conquering provincial capitals before marching on Kabul, just as they have in recent months.

Baradar had a number of different roles during the Taliban's five-year reign and was the deputy defence minister when the US invaded in 2001.

He went into hiding but remained active in the Taliban's leadership in exile.

In 2010, the CIA tracked him down to the Pakistani city of Karachi and in February of that year the Pakistani intelligence service (ISI) arrested him.

But in 2018, he was released at the request of the Trump administration as part of their ongoing negotiations with the Taliban in Qatar, on the understanding that he could help broker peace.

In February 2020, Baradar signed the Doha Agreement in which the U.S. pledged to leave Afghanistan on the basis that the Taliban would enter into a power-sharing arrangement with President Ashraf Ghani's government in Kabul.

He was pictured in September with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo who 'urged the Taliban to seize this opportunity to forge a political settlement and reach a comprehensive and permanent ceasefire,' the US said in a statement.

Pompeo 'welcomed Afghan leadership and ownership of the effort to end 40 years of war and ensure that Afghanistan is not a threat to the United States or its allies.'

The Doha deal was heralded as a momentous peace declaration but has been proved to be nothing but a ploy by the Taliban.

The jihadists waited until thousands of American troops had left before launching a major offensive to recapture the country, undoing two decades of work by the US-led coalition.

Haibatullah Akhundzada, the 'Leader of the Faithful,' is the Taliban's Supreme Commander with the final word on its political, religious and military policy.

Akhundzada is expected to take the title of Emir of Afghanistan.

Believed to be around 60-years-old, he is not known for his military strategy but is revered as an Islamic scholar and rules the Taliban by that right.

He took over in 2016 when the group's former chief, Akhtar Mansour, was killed in a US drone strike on the Pakistani border.

After being appointed leader, Akhundzada secured a pledge of loyalty from Al Qaeda chief Ayman al-Zawahiri, who showered the religious scholar with praise - calling him 'the emir of the faithful'.

This helped to seal his jihadi credentials with the group's long-time allies.

Akhundzada was tasked with the enormous challenge of unifying a militant movement that briefly fractured during a bitter power struggle following the assassination of his predecessor, and the revelation that the leadership had hid the death of Taliban founder Mullah Omar for years.

The leader's public profile has been largely limited to the release of annual messages during Islamic holidays.

Akhundzada was born around 1959 to a religious scholar in the Panjwayi district of Kandahar Province.

His family were forced to flee their home during the Soviet invasion and he joined the resistance as a young man.

He was one of the first new Taliban recruits in the 1990s and immediately impressed his superiors with his knowledge of Islamic law.

When the Taliban captured Afghanistan's western Farah province, he was put in charge of fighting crime in the area.

As the Taliban seized more of the country, Akhunzad became head of the military court and deputy chief of its supreme court.

After the US invasion in 2001 he became head of the Taliban's council of religious scholars and is believed to be the author of many of its fatwas (Islamic legal rulings), including public executions of murderer and adulterers and cutting the hands off thieves.

Before being named the new leader he had been preaching and teaching for around 15 years at a mosque in Kuchlak, a town in southwestern Pakistan, sources told Reuters.

Sirajuddin Haqqani, the son of the famed commander from the anti-Soviet jihad
Sirajuddin doubles as both the deputy leader of the Taliban movement while also heading the powerful Haqqani network.

The Haqqani Network is a US-designated terror group that has long been viewed as one of the most dangerous factions fighting Afghan and US-led NATO forces in Afghanistan during the past two decades.

The group is infamous for its use of suicide bombers and is believed to have orchestrated some of the most high-profile attacks in Kabul over the years.

The network has also been accused of assassinating top Afghan officials and holding kidnapped Western citizens for ransom - including US soldier Bowe Bergdahl, released in 2014.

Known for their independence, fighting acumen, and savvy business dealings, the Haqqanis are believed to oversee operations in the rugged mountains of eastern Afghanistan, while holding considerable sway over the Taliban's leadership council.

Mullah Yaqoob, the son of the Taliban's founder
The son of the Taliban's founder Mullah Omar.

Mullah Yaqoob heads the group's powerful military commission, which oversees a vast network of field commanders charged with executing the insurgency's strategic operations in the war.

His lineage and ties to his father - who enjoyed a cult-like status as the Taliban's leader - serves as a potent symbol and makes him a unifying figure over a sprawling movement.

However speculation remains rife about Yaqoob's exact role within the movement, with some analysts arguing that his appointment to the role in 2020 was merely cosmetic.
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There is a deliberate misstatement and obfuscation by the US president and current US government officials regarding the ANA and Taliban. Below is an assessment from the US Army Combating Terrorism Center at West Point from Jan. 2021:

Afghanistan’s Security Forces Versus the Taliban: A Net Assessment
All told then, the ANDSF are likely fielding a fighting force in the vicinity of 180,000 combat personnel each day.
The most systematic public study of the Taliban’s size (from 2017) concluded that the group’s total manpower exceeds 200,000 individuals, which includes around 60,000 core fighters, another 90,000 members of local militias, and tens of thousands of facilitators and support elements.
The most significant source of external support for the Taliban, however, comes from Pakistan. In his book on the subject, Steve Coll discusses at length the nature of this support, which includes sanctuary for senior Taliban leaders, but also Pakistan army and intelligence service support to recruitment and training of Taliban fighters in areas near the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, support to deployment of those fighters into Afghanistan, and support to their rest and recuperation (including medical support) back inside Pakistan. Pakistan has also provided the Taliban with military materiel, as well as strategic and operational advice for the group’s operations in Afghanistan. While Pakistan took great pains to hide this support for years, the amount of reporting on it today is voluminous, and a former Director General of Pakistan’s intelligence agency recently admitted to supporting the Taliban “in any way he could.”
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US governments both past and present have looked the other way when it came to Pakistan's support of the Taliban. The current US government with its "experts" in foreign affairs, intelligence and defense have deliberately looked the other way in this debacle.
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Mort Walker, please stop the US domestic political squabbling here. As one of the moderators above pointed out, BRF is not the forum for it. It is effortless for you to scapegoat Pakistan for everything while shielding off the real masterminds of this chaos. By doing this, you still attempt to exploit to divide and rule the tactics of the imperialists deviously.
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^^^The real masterminds are and were current and previous US governments. Why is that so hard to fathom when there are plenty of data points to demonstrate it?
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The taliban are both feared and also portrayed in the press as this superhuman, unstoppable, and ever victorious i$!@mic military force. This is far from the truth.

The afghan army and air force, organized, supplied, and motivated by the US, armed and trained by so many countries, failed to put up a single fight for their country and their people. Don't the afghans army mards look so pretty, all dolled up in their fake ameriki cammo uniforms, swaggering across the screen and always ready to pose for pictures. What a bunch of photoshopped pussies they turned out to be and they had no qualms in failing their people and country

More than analyses of military training, it's imperative to investigate why time after time the decision makers of different non- i$!@mic countries' just couldn't see this common thread of i$!@mic skullduggery that is so obvious even to the unsophisticated eyes of common observers. why is this happening over and over again. These aspects require some honest real world analyses and lessons for the future can be drawn only after this.

the west has been (jewish holocaust memories) brainwashed and guilted into placing the i$!@mic meme and trojan in a social sandbox, and averting their already guilt racked gaze from the many unacceptable i$!@mic traits that are reinforced by every namazi five times each day and the woke media pushes this regurgitated i$!@mic propaganda continuously. This has forced the west into internalizing i$!@mophobi@ while allowing the i$!@mic countries like saudi, iran, turki and the pakis along with their money controlled woke media and the shameless commies, to aggressively weaponize this i$!@mophobi@ and make it a "in your face" social requirement for the whites.

After the jewish holocaust, the populations in the western countries have learned religious stereotypes, and generation after generation there have internalized these ideas.
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^ I presume the actor Javed Akhtar is a Muslim. In this tweet, he is asking why the US could not commit genocide against the Taliban. So perhaps there is a kernel of truth to this after all.

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What kind of super power US is that it couldn’t eradicate these barbarians called Talibans.
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When is Aamir Khan, Javed Akhtar, Saif Ali Khan etc going to Afghanistan? They should live there without fear.
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It would suffice if they moved to Pakistan.

Roar like a lion in India whimper like a beaten dog in Pakistan.
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https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-af ... 973a8b3d25
Analysis: Defiant Biden is face of chaotic Afghan evacuation
By JONATHAN LEMIRE, 8/16/2021

Four presidents share responsibility for the missteps in Afghanistan that accumulated over two decades. But only President Joe Biden will be the face of the war’s chaotic, violent conclusion. The president fought that reality Monday as he spread blame for the Taliban’s swift and complete recapture of Afghanistan. He pointed to a previous agreement brokered by then-President Donald Trump, expressed frustration with Afghan President Ashraf Ghani and lamented the performance of Afghan national security forces. Republicans overwhelmingly criticized Biden and he found few vocal backers among fellow Democrats.
The collapse of the Afghan government is the biggest foreign policy crisis of Biden’s young presidency, recalling setbacks for past presidents such as the withdrawal from Vietnam and the botched Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba. The reverberations of the Taliban’s success were startling, endangering Afghan women and girls, posing new security threats and threatening to undercut global views of America’s reliability.
In the face of such stark consequences, Biden admitted no fault for the chaotic drawdown and instead forcefully defended his move to leave a nation the U.S. has tried to safeguard since it toppled the Taliban regime after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, when smoke still rose from the rubble of the World Trade Center.
“Here’s what I believe to my core: It is wrong to order American troops to step up when Afghanistan’s own armed forces would not,” said Biden. “How many more generations of America’s daughters and sons would you have me send to fight Afghanistan’s civil war? I will not repeat the mistakes we made in the past.” When Biden took responsibility, it was more for ending the war than for the manner in which it happened.
“I know my decision will be criticized. But I would rather take that criticism than pass this on to a fifth president,” said Biden. “I am the president of the United States, the buck stops with me.”
His firm tone differed little from just five weeks ago, when he bullishly predicted what would happen as his August 31 deadline for withdrawal neared. He declared there was going to be no repeat of the humiliating U.S. evacuation from Vietnam nearly a half century ago and “no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of an embassy of the United States from Afghanistan.” But Monday yielded devastating images from Kabul that rivaled anything witnessed in Saigon. Thousands of Afghan citizens, many of whom worked as translators and other aides to American troops, thronged the Kabul airport, desperate to escape the Taliban. In heartbreaking footage, some tried to desperately board a U.S. military plane flying to safety, attempting to dash alongside as it raced down the runway. A few managed to cling to the plane before it took off and video showed several falling through the air as the airplane rapidly gained altitude over the city.
The evacuation received condemnation at home and abroad, with German Chancellor Angela Merkel calling the latest developments “bitter, dramatic and awful.” And security officials warned that Afghanistan would soon provide safe harbor for terrorist groups again. The Taliban seemed poised to have total of control of Afghanistan on Sept. 11, just as they did on the date two decades earlier when al-Qaida terror attacks plotted from its soil toppled the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon. The fallout from 2001 attacks reshaped America’s relationship with the Middle East, and more than 3,000 American and NATO forces died in the resulting combat in Afghanistan during the manhunt for Osama bin Laden and beyond.
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kit wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:The US president needs to resign. He’s thrown everyone under the bus. He owns this.
He does, no point in blaming Trump etc. This guy has dementia and God save the world. The mylapore mami is nowhere in the picture., looks like the jihadis taken over white house with a dummy as figurehead.
The only thing that could have been managed better was evacuation.

After that, in 24 hours telebunny flag will be flying over Afghan presidential palace anyway.

Lets not go overboard by blaming Biden. What else could he do? Stay for another 4 years? Massa had 20 years to train Afghan national army, and set up a bureaucracy for internal security with police and law enforcement. This was the result, Not a single firefight with telebunnies. Everyone was busy smuggling opium, and selling arms in black market to telebunnies. Some Pew research somewhere said "95% of afghans want sharia law and 99% advocate bull cutlet for leaving Islam, 95% support stoning for adultery". What did the afghan government give them that the taliban cannot?

Trump signed a withdrawal treaty, promising to vacate by May!


What is to blame is Massa hubris and successive mismanagement by all adminstrations: From GWB, to Ombaba, To Drumpf to Biden. Add in the Jernails and Kernails who single handedly "rewrote the manual on insurgency" (during the breaks he had while romancing his biographer). Only thing that ever went right was when Amritaraj (remember him?) picked up the phone and gave the "with us or without us, bomb you back to stone age" speech to bandicoot, which caused him to brown pant. Had the followed that path, this problem would have been solved 15 years ago.

Read up on Kunduz airlift of evil.
in the past week, a half dozen or more Pakistani air force cargo planes landed in the Taliban-held city of Kunduz and evacuated to Pakistan hundreds of non-Afghan soldiers who fought alongside the Taliban and even al-Qaida against the United States. What’s wrong with this picture?
"Non afghan soldiers" = ISI/TFTAs.

if they had been Daisy cuttered, afghanistan would not have been lost.
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This is a completely botched exit. It has put the lives of many citizens from around the world at risk and not just US nationals. You can blame the previous 3 administrations, but this one has really mishandled the matter by removing political and logistical support when key regions of Afghanistan fell over the last 3 weeks. It is nothing less than gross incompetence.
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https://www.news18.com/news/india/afgha ... 94021.html
All Indian Embassy Staff Evacuated, Crucial Papers Secured as IAF Plane Flies Out of Kabul
August 17, 2021

An Indian Air Force plane plane took off from Kabul’s Hamid Karzai International Airport on Tuesday morning, carrying embassy workers and other important documents. A source told News18 that all Indian Embassy staff have been evacuated as chaos prevails in Afghanistan after Taliban took over the country.
“Flight carrying 130 people will land at Hindon Airport, 39 km away from Delhi," the source added. Another IAF heavy-lift transport aircraft that had left for Afghanistan late on Sunday night and reached that country using Iranian airspace returned from Kabul to India with a number of Indians, people familiar with the developments said. However, there was no official confirmation on it.
External Affairs Ministry spokesperson Arindam Bagchi on Monday said the situation in Afghanistan is being monitored on a constant basis at high levels and that suspension of commercial operations at Kabul airport has forced a pause in India’s repatriation efforts.
Capping its month-long rapid advances, the Taliban took positions in Kabul on Sunday evening hours after Afghan President Ashraf Ghani left for an unknown destination, paving the way for the takeover of the capital as well as the country. “The security situation in Kabul has deteriorated significantly in the last few days. It is changing rapidly even as we speak. The Government of India has been closely monitoring all developments in Afghanistan," he said.
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I hope they got everybody. Pakistan has to pay for not letting Indian use its airspace even during such an emergency.
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I think US decided to pivot all its energies to counter PLA and CCP during Trumps time itself. So this Afghan withdrawal was coming. Now imagine if Taliban had to fight ANA - the outcome would have probably been the same as today but just with much more bloodshed and misery and giving Paki's leverage through their military assistance to Taliban. If Taliban fought ANA, India would have to support ANA atleast diplomatically and then it would have made Taliban much more anti-India then what it is probably today. So nothing for India to gain if this civil war had flared up. JMT.
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