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Congress is a party of lawyers, NGOs, retired judges, supported by global intellectuals, elite media like NYT, WaPo, BBC. World’s top universities, legal experts, economists, Wokes, Bollywood are in love with RaGa. None of them advised him to say a humble ‘sorry’.

Who failed?
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Chetak ji, 'Dar ka mahaul hai'
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Rsatchi wrote:Can I ask why the government has not given any credence to SuSw to accusations of RaGa holding foreign passport as per filing in London for some business transactions
This is purely my observations and speculations. I feel that all said and done there are some 'honour among thieves' (politicians across party lines) and there are some tactics which no politician will try on others. This is like the hitting below the belt tactic, and generally not done. There are numerous photographs of even absolute wastrels like Sitaram Yechuri having friendly chats with Modi, during some informal occassions. So citizenship of SoGa and RaGa may be some thing which all these folks would have decided NOT to expose. Same could be the reason why National Herald case also is now on the back burner. SuSw was the person who triggered it, but even he is not very much bothered about the same.

The problem with SuSw is that his love is only to himself (not to any country or to any party). So following up on his leads may be actually not beneficial to any body other than him or his friends circle at that point of time.
Also per him he used to travel under a nom de guerre as Raol Vinci.
The story I heard is that after LTTE assassianted Rajiv Ghandi, it was decided that Rahul Ghandi can be sent abroad to complete his studies. But he going in his true name makes him a sitting duck, so both GoI and GoUS decided to give him a nom de guerre and a complete US based identity. Even with Na.Mo in power nothing much has come out on Gumnaami Baba and the truth about Subhash Bose's disappearance. GoI perhaps knows that pulling out all those stories may actually cause more long term problems rather than giving any tangible benefits.
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Rsatchi wrote:Can I ask why the government has not given any credence to SuSw to accusations of RaGa holding foreign passport as per filing in London for some business transactions
This is purely my observations and speculations. I feel that all said and done there are some 'honour among thieves' (politicians across party lines) and there are some tactics which no politician will try on others. This is like the hitting below the belt tactic, and generally not done. There are numerous photographs of even absolute wastrels like Sitaram Yechuri having friendly chats with Modi, during some informal occassions. So citizenship of SoGa and RaGa may be some thing which all these folks would have decided NOT to expose. Same could be the reason why National Herald case also is now on the back burner. SuSw was the person who triggered it, but even he is not very much bothered about the same.

The problem with SuSw is that his love is only to himself (not to any country or to any party). So following up on his leads may be actually not beneficial to any body other than him or his friends circle at that point of time.
Also per him he used to travel under a nom de guerre as Raol Vinci.
The story I heard is that after LTTE assassianted Rajiv Ghandi, it was decided that Rahul Ghandi can be sent abroad to complete his studies. But he going in his true name makes him a sitting duck, so both GoI and GoUS decided to give him a nom de guerre and a complete US based identity. Even with Na.Mo in power nothing much has come out on Gumnaami Baba and the truth about Subhash Bose's disappearance. GoI perhaps knows that pulling out all those stories may actually cause more long term problems rather than giving any tangible benefits.
Sachin saar,

But no one can mistake the deliberate, systematic and purposeful take down of false icons and history fakers that has been in play for some years now.

Many "Indian" fests run by dharmic Indians have replaced woke "cultural monstrosities" like the gora run jaipur litt fest, which was once considered an intellectual benchmark, and now, there is no looking back because dharmic Indians have swamped this ecosystem and are doing wonderfully well

Books that would never have seen the light of day in earlier regimes are freely available, debates, youtubers discussing events that were brushed under the carpet and interviewing the actual players who were on the ground, planning, conducting and leading those operations

the commie cabals have been forcefully cornered with proof and the woke naxals almost cancelled and that too, without creating any fuss or social spillover disturbing the peace

Subhash Bose's statue has been accorded an imperial pedestal, replacing old thieves and colonial pickpockets and that drastic change has not escaped anyone's notice, neither here in India nor elsewhere in the colonial world

The new parliament building is a slap in many woke faces and the sale of "enemy property" is the icing on the cake with a paki-cheeni cherry on top.

The old "enemy property" law has been bullet proofed by Modi and the cheeni are staring at a guaranteed and ginormous loss if they attack India, hence the salami slicing to stay under the trigger of the landmines set for them under the "enemy property" law, and hence the huge balance of payments in the cheeni favor as a as they scramble to hedge and possibly also counter the "enemy property" law using such tactics.

One also suspects that the MOU signed by the mamamia mafia inc with the cheeni big boys has many clauses that specifically negates/nullify the said "enemy property" law and possibly with retrospective effect

The ecosystem has been changed in ways that very few people in the public domain are even able to conceive, let alone understand and appreciate.

Janab, what is to be gained by knowing what happened to Subhash Bose.. What is vitally important is that everyone is aware and now all know what he did to get freedom for India.

The britshits feared him and other people like Savarkar most of all.

He and his INA are now the recognized architects and the acknowledged main drivers in getting India's freedom and not the publicity hogging and traitorous ahimsa wallahs

the dramabaazi ahimsa wallahs delayed the goal by at least three decades, and no one even gave them the nobel because the actual truth was well known to the people who really mattered

But for the sake of the world audience, the appearance of the façade of relevance of the ahimsa wallahs has to be maintained for some time to come.

With Modi and Jaishankar, the iron hand has already started to emerge from the velvet glove.

धीरज रखिए sachin ji, things are on track onlee
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chetak wrote:
the congis have filed a case in the SC to declare the automatic disqualification of convicted MPs as illegal.

This rule of disqualifying MP's was instituted by none other than Congress back in 2012/13. They were hoping Modi and few amongst his inner circle will get convicted in any number of Gujrat riots related cases and will get disqualified to lead BJP party or a BJP led government if it comes to that. Modi was vindicated in the courts but Pappu had snarled in the same "trap" he set up to catch Modi. Feels like Karma is a bitch. Having said that, I'm not sure where this thing will lead to.
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Jay wrote:
chetak wrote:
the congis have filed a case in the SC to declare the automatic disqualification of convicted MPs as illegal.

This rule of disqualifying MP's was instituted by none other than Congress back in 2012/13. They were hoping Modi and few amongst his inner circle will get convicted in any number of Gujrat riots related cases and will get disqualified to lead BJP party or a BJP led government it it comes to that. Modi was vindicated in the courts but Pappu had snarled in the same "trap" he set up to catch Modi. Feels like Karma is a bitch. Having said that, I'm not sure where this thing will lead to.
looking at the congi swagger, it looks like the fix is already in and the whole thing will blow over with pappu soon back in parliament, more insufferable than ever.

one pillar will be lionized onlee and that might come back to bite the BJP in the butt.

something is cooking, for sure.

soreass bhai is on the hunt onlee
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chetak wrote:
Jay wrote:

This rule of disqualifying MP's was instituted by none other than Congress back in 2012/13. They were hoping Modi and few amongst his inner circle will get convicted in any number of Gujrat riots related cases and will get disqualified to lead BJP party or a BJP led government it it comes to that. Modi was vindicated in the courts but Pappu had snarled in the same "trap" he set up to catch Modi. Feels like Karma is a bitch. Having said that, I'm not sure where this thing will lead to.
looking at the congi swagger, it looks like the fix is already in and the whole thing will blow over with pappu soon back in parliament, more insufferable than ever.

one pillar will be lionized onlee and that might come back to bite the BJP in the butt.

something is cooking, for sure.

soreass bhai is on the hunt onlee
All these antics may attract some Lutyens libarandus but are not going to make any difference in the polls where the real democracy lives. My feeling is Pappu will not come to the parliament. I think Congi lawyers are advising him to work from the outside. Since being on the inside, he is a real liability to congis
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williams wrote:
chetak wrote:
looking at the congi swagger, it looks like the fix is already in and the whole thing will blow over with pappu soon back in parliament, more insufferable than ever.

one pillar will be lionized onlee and that might come back to bite the BJP in the butt.

something is cooking, for sure.

soreass bhai is on the hunt onlee
All these antics may attract some Lutyens libarandus but are not going to make any difference in the polls where the real democracy lives. My feeling is Pappu will not come to the parliament. I think Congi lawyers are advising him to work from the outside. Since being on the inside, he is a real liability to congis
Let's hope that you are right , williams ji..
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Comment on a SM group:

"Well, Raul Khan Ghandy himself said “unfortunately I am an MP”. So on the first day of the holy month of Ramzan, Ola granted his wish…"
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Sachin, Your observation are erroneous.
RaGa foreign citizenship will come up at right time.
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Jay wrote:I have a bad feeling about this Rahul drama. To most of the voters, Rahul is just a nincompoop. BJP voters know it, non BJP voters know it too. He's looked at as somebody without a drive, intelligence, or charisma to lead an opposition against Modi/BJP. The quintessential "nepo-baby" who does not know what he wants for himself unless its dished out by his mom, didi, or a sycophant. A lot of these same voters also might see this Rahul jail/disqualification drama as swatting a fly with a bofors gun and this might give him some pity points/votes. This will also have the unintended consequences of trapping BJP supporters as well and if a favorable court gets a BJP MP, it will lead into an even murkier mess. This entire thing, just an year before the elections is puzzling. I hope it doesn't cascade into an uncontrollable narrative.
IOW Rahul Ghandy is a hoegorwon MMS in side teh familia.

And thats bad for the country that an irresponsible person is the figurehead whom the sychophants will prop up and do stuff.
Its like Lootyens Nero.

The law of automatic disqualification was passed by UPA in 2012-2013.
And MMS had come up with ordinance nullifying it.
RaGa had torn up the ordinance.

Now there is clamour against Criminal Defamation statute.

1) Civil defmation is some one calls me bad.
2) Criminal defamtion is when some one calls all BRF Admins bad.
In the second formulation the group is being called bad just by association.
And is a divide and rule agitprop technique.
This group can be caste based, relgion based, business community.

So we need controls on a diverse society emerging out of 900 years of colonialsim.

Can't continue divide and rule.
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Reading about the Gandhi disqualification case, Wiki says the community insulted is lower caste, while Gandhi is classified as a Kashmiri Brahmin.

So why would the police not have charged Gandhi under the anti-caste discrimination law when this happened? Seems there was some corruption involved for police to look the other way.
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This might have unintended consequence of uniting all the corrupt, BIF, dynastic and castiest parties together. That's my worry
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Sachinji/Chetakji/Ramanaji
All this Natak is for opposition to fall behind the Yuvraj I think
He has thanked all and sundry
Made tall claims in Presser about NaMo not able to look him in the eye yada yada
Ecosystem would want him to stay out of Parliament and garner some sympathy votes and at the same time utter all sorts of nonsense in the Daily Durbar
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vijayk wrote:This might have unintended consequence of uniting all the corrupt, BIF, dynastic and castiest parties together. That's my worry
The last UP election nullified the myth that a mahagathbandhan of all these losers will actually unite the voting blocks. It actually demoralized the party workers and the seat seekers and made them lose bigger. BIF master minds are better off with agitation, sabotage, media propaganda, and activism in the judiciary than trying to go the mahagathbandhan route IMHO.
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williams wrote:
vijayk wrote:This might have unintended consequence of uniting all the corrupt, BIF, dynastic and castiest parties together. That's my worry
The last UP election nullified the myth that a mahagathbandhan of all these losers will actually unite the voting blocks. It actually demoralized the party workers and the seat seekers and made them lose bigger. BIF master minds are better off with agitation, sabotage, media propaganda, and activism in the judiciary than trying to go the mahagathbandhan route IMHO.
saars,

the so called maha gatbandhan spare parts are starved of money and that the BIF can and will provide by the bucketful so they will unite, just to get at the BIF money and fight for their own survival and to stay relevant.

The vast amounts of gold and also drugs coming into the country is for the war chests. The CBI/ED raids are catching those stashes too, Hence the mass appeal to one pillar by a bunch of desperate spare parts parties.

Three/four state govts can cross fund others, dilli, telangana, AP and TN are the most versatile at accessing multiple sources in innovative ways.

earlier it was fake currency fuelling the elections but that has now been reduced to a trickle.

It is public knowledge as to what money can do as was seen during the "farmer's agitation", dilli riots, and during the punjab elections too

dancing girls, pizzas, dry fruit platters in huge numbers, daru, p0rn movies, diesel and petrol, water, electricity, and laundry on demand, and of course, the ever present favorite -- biryani don't come cheap....

The "farmer's agitation" was very long lived and that is a testimony as to how much money was pumped in by the BIF
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ramana wrote: The law of automatic disqualification was passed by UPA in 2012-2013.
And MMS had come up with ordinance nullifying it.
RaGa had torn up the ordinance.
Guru, slight correction as I disagree on the highlighted part. The RPA had already provisions for convicted lawmakers to continue in office which the SC struck down in 2013 as unconstitutional. UPA wanted to pass an ordinance annulling the SC order (so as to help one of its allies RJD's LPY). This ordinance was approved by the Union cabinet which RaGa tore up :twisted: when MMS was not even in the country :roll:
In 2013, the top court, in the Lily Thomas vs Union Bank of India case, had struck down section 8(4) of the Representation of The People Act (RP Act) that gave a convicted lawmaker the power to remain in office on the grounds that appeals have been filed within three months of the conviction. In the same year, the Congress-led United Progressive Alliance government, had attempted to circumvent the Supreme Court ruling to set aside a RP Act provision.

According to a provision of the RP Act, a person sentenced to imprisonment of two years or more shall be disqualified "from the date of such conviction" and remain disqualified for another six years after serving time. Section 8 of the RP Act provides for offences in which a lawmaker would entail disqualification upon conviction.

On 28 September 2013, it was Gandhi who had opposed the ordinance in a press conference and tore the ordinance in a press conference as a token of protest.
Agree with the rest of your post :)
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RG in 2023 may be sacrificed, just like RG in 1991, to win the 2024 elections on a sympathy wave. Just my thoughts.
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Sacrifice will happen but sympathy will not come. When the mean age of the population is 27 yrs, who in the country is going to vote with sympathy for the "youth icon" twice their age? Pappu has gone stale and stinks, destiny is dustbin.
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VKumar wrote:RG in 2023 may be sacrificed, just like RG in 1991, to win the 2024 elections on a sympathy wave. Just my thoughts.
If control shifts out of the mamamia mafia inc, the congi will split into at least two or more factions

na ghar ka, na ghat ka, like dhobi ka kutta....

opposition will not support anyone except mamamia and she will have to supply plenty of funds, as before.

the expectation will be that they will all have full access to the spoils and for the congis, a raincoat like creature will front for the BIF.

economic hit man rowdy raghu may end up being the front runner.

either way, the dravidians will have big expectations, unless an inspired annamalai fires on all cylinders and morphs into the big game hunter....

lets just wait and see which way the situation develops.
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8) :shock: All ecosystems activated
Right on cue Nat Geo HD running all about WWII
with no one to defend democracy Hitler becomes the Chancellor and advocates peace but Nazis Prepare for war
Now draw your own analogy
See how the gullible are to be fine tuned
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I am hoping an praying that the same defamation case can be used to convict the younger obaisi who is habitual offender of the sanatan dieties
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RoKhanna should STFU about India and democracy. His own party is doing the utmost to keep a still popular and winnable ex-POTUS from standing for next elections by slapping frivolous cases using a District Attorney who lets free violent career criminals(mostly of his race) but goes after what is at best a misdemeanour.

If that is not suppression of political freedom and is American legal process, then he should not sit judgement of Indian courts and Parliament doing their duty. I pity the fools who fund this guy or support his campaigns. That includes some who come to this forum to shill or troll for him or his party, despite their negativity towards India. All grin and handshakes for business but interference couched in “white man burden” rhetoric in everything else. That we have humble PIO sepoys of the new “martial castes” (Big Science believers, the orphans abandoned by Cold War era American Super Science peddlers) to execute the writ is just repeat of history
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@ProfBabones·18h

Let me get this right. An independent judiciary is the foundation of democracy.

India's judiciary appoints judges independently.

A judge convicted Rahul Gandhi of a felony.

India's SC has ruled that anyone convicted of a felony must be ejected from Parliament.

End of democracy?
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vijayk wrote:This might have unintended consequence of uniting all the corrupt, BIF, dynastic and castiest parties together. That's my worry
And they are not united until now? Fact is a lot of the internal guys are opportunistic and BJP is the largest umbrella that provides shade to many. No one is going to abandon their positions for RAGa, as the leaked verbosity that Mamta had for him proved. Mamta lucidly clarified to all the non-Cong opposition’s view that RaGa is serving only BJP’s interest by inflating himself and not allowing anyone to grow from opposition, but he is still futile against Modi. Only BIF still believed in him. So it is good that RaGa is the only cheap option for BIF and should remain so.

The rest of carpetbaggers will just, to paraphrase EAM Jaishankar-sir, will sit on their side, BIF or not
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hnair wrote:RoKhanna should STFU about India and democracy.
IMO Khanna's views show how upper caste rhetoric against lower caste is still normalized in India and now even in the USA. Would he support an American politician who says "all thieves have {insert American minority} as the common factor"?

Now, to give him the benefit of the doubt, this would have been commonplace when Khanna's grandfather lived in India. So maybe the significance of the statement has escaped him.
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Vera_k,
How and where is upper caste rhetoric AGAINST lower caste being NORMALISED in India?

Since you used the present continuous tense, please provide specific recent examples with source references or delete the above statement.
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Cyrano,

Exhibit A is how Gandhi is now finding support from large section of Indian and international polity while confirming that the statement was made.
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ramana wrote:Comment on a SM group:
"Well, Raul Khan Ghandy himself said “unfortunately I am an MP”. So on the first day of the holy month of Ramzan, Ola granted his wish…"
Too bad Pappu is not the PM. Otherwise he could have declared emergency and kept his seat. If you are an old timer like me, you would remember that Mrs. Gandhi was found guilty on the charge of misuse of government machinery for her election campaign and barred from contesting any election for an additional six years. That caused the declaration of emergency. The apple does not fall far from the tree and all that.
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Added later: This brings back very ugly memories of 1975, I was in my 4th year of Electrical engineering (of a 5 year course). The fact is that normal laws do not apply to the Gandhi family, they are above it.
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vera_k wrote:Cyrano,

Exhibit A is how Gandhi is now finding support from large section of Indian and international polity while confirming that the statement was made.
I am only worried about the narrative these scums and his dumb supporters will try to spin and how many folks fall for sympathy
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chetak wrote:But no one can mistake the deliberate, systematic and purposeful take down of false icons and history fakers that has been in play for some years now.
I 100% agree with you. Infact the dynasty is actually being taken down brick by brick. One major change I noticed is that lot of people have taken down Gandhi & Nehru down from the high pedestals they were placed on earlier. Gandhi's s-exual escapades is now getting ridiculed in many trolls. In that way I feel BJP and the nationalists seems to be focusing on fixing some real core issues, and RaGa's false name or citizenship is not on the priority list now.
looking at the congi swagger, it looks like the fix is already in and the whole thing will blow over with pappu soon back in parliament, more insufferable than ever.
The 'seculars' are trying to milk the maximum of Shri Pappu Ghandi in the coming 28-30 days. He can (and most likely) will file an appeal in the District & Sessions court. Sec 500 IPC also has a provision for levying a fine. The District court may change the sentence to that of a fine, or for that matter even acquit Shri Pappu Ghandi. If that fails there is the High Court and then Supreme Court where Kapil Sibal has a permenant camp.
ramana wrote:RaGa foreign citizenship will come up at right time.
Saar! If that happens then I would be the happiest. Perhaps that 'firecracker' has been kept aside for some last minute games.
1) Civil defmation is some one calls me bad.
2) Criminal defamtion is when some one calls all BRF Admins bad.
Civil Defamation is more like a 'Tort' (a branch of law in India, which is not very popular and not in much use). Here the focus is on claiming 'damages' for the loss of prestige, social standing etc. It is more of paying monetory compensation and getting out of it. Criminal Defamation is defined in Indian Penal Code, and being a crime it also carries a punishment & fine. More than 'damages' it is the punishment which matters here. A lot of people opt for the second option as it is faster than the first option and more lethal.
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https://news.abplive.com/news/india/des ... ry-1590990

I have been in this forum since almost its inception. So I hazard a personal opinion. This forum has an inherent bias as most active members are not resident Indian, hence a heavy sense of angst. So this survey should soothe some frayed nerves.

In most of India this episode is already a non issue. See the survey from ABP.
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Denis wrote:https://news.abplive.com/news/india/des ... ry-1590990

I have been in this forum since almost its inception. So I hazard a personal opinion. This forum has an inherent bias as most active members are not resident Indian, hence a heavy sense of angst. So this survey should soothe some frayed nerves.

In most of India this episode is already a non issue. See the survey from ABP.
It is a non-issue except for the Lutyens media who is grasping at straws to disparage GoI and Congi leaders who have a sense of entitlement and self-importance. It also looks like getting a stay order is not that legally viable. Otherwise, they would have jumped on it.
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2024 is not about domestic audiences anymore in the minds of opposition. They want to manufacture enough outrage in gora countries to make the act irrationally around democracy, human rights etc.
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@ANI·Mar 25
Tamil Nadu | It is Supreme Court that represents the nation.

We are making conscious efforts to ensure that different high courts and different regions of the nation find representation in the Supreme Court: Chief Justice of India, Dr DY Chandrachud in Madurai

The PM and the parliament, duly elected by the people don't represent the Nation, (Modi has landslide victory in all his elections, be it state or center)

but, collegium selected judges represent the Nation.

No matter what pappu says, we are, truly, a democracy onlee
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Congi tactics seem to be bizarre. Even Lutyens Media is reluctantly covering their so-called protests. I am not sure who came up with such a brilliant idea of protesting a court decision. BJP is using 3rd or 4th level spokespeople to respond to it and they are focussing on Karnataka. I am not sure what is the use of all this drama. Perhaps they can now file a stay and then declare victory once the stay goes through? I am not sure people will be that stupid to not see their antics.
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