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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby Altair » 22 Mar 2012 13:10

Sachin wrote:Indian Express gets it right. Where as the envoy did sense some thing wrong and raised a "red flag", the media had begun their overdrive and started doling out sentimental stories. The GoI was forced to take some action, without getting the time to fully ascertain the facts. And this is not the first time such thing happens. Sensationalism and too much media activism, invariably later lands up GoI in trouble. We have to understand that these folks who report these kind of issues are not the best judges for every thing under the sun (even though many journalists take that stand).

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The sensationalism you mention is an understatement (If possible please see some of the vernacular language channels of either Karnataka, TN, AP).
My heart goes to those two innocent kids who will spend the rest of their adult lives in foster homes in alien land. Foster homes in Europe are the breeding homes for serial killers and psychopaths. A total disaster.
Why cant India rescue these children from both the parents and alien foster homes?

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby Dhiman » 22 Mar 2012 13:15

Altair wrote:My heart goes to those two innocent kids who will spend the rest of their adult lives in foster homes in alien land. Foster homes in Europe are the breeding homes for serial killers and psychopaths. A total disaster.
Why cant India rescue these children from both the parents and alien foster homes?


These two children are under the care of a Bong family who live in norway. "Foster home" here is provided by the Indian family and expenses paid for by Noway government.

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby Lalmohan » 22 Mar 2012 13:33

sashi tharoor had tweeted when this case broke in the media that he had spoken to a friend of his in the norwegian government, and that the case was much more complex than being reported. norwegian law prevents any discussion of the case details, hence media goes on a free wheeling ride.
norwegians are a family friendly culture, so such harsh treatment (as it appears) did seem strange. uk has far more draconian child 'take away' laws and much higher numbers of children taken into care - but almost no press coverage since it is not allowed by law

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby Lalmohan » 22 Mar 2012 16:40

merah has shot his way out of the flat and jumped through the window guns blazing. he's now dead - i assume from having jumped from the window. apparently police used 3 stun grenades after a video probe pushed into the bathroom, commando's went in, he emptied all his clips (AK47, UZI, 9mm) and then jumped through the window. 2 cops slightly injured
siege is over

holed up in the bathroom - now does that sound familiar kids?

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby Sachin » 22 Mar 2012 22:08

Dhiman wrote:There is very little GoI can do other than putting these children in government orphanage in India where they will not get even 10% of the care that they receive in norway

Govt. run orphanages are IMHO not really the very best places to put any one's kids. But I am really sad that the family in question did force to the GoI to land up in a situation that they would now be in a ridiculous position.

Same case had happened earlier as well, when the media sensationlised that a few Indian students in US were forced to wear a tag on their ankles. The fact was that the tag on their ankles (for cops to trace them, if they act smart) was part of their bail condition. These fellows who said they were humiliated by wearing them had a better option. Dont apply for bail and sit inside a prison cell. I was waiting for more sob stories to come out when a group of Indian students in UK were arrested by the British Police for working "over time" when they were on student VISA. But luckily no body complained on that.

Lalmohan wrote:sashi tharoor had tweeted when this case broke in the media that he had spoken to a friend of his in the norwegian government, and that the case was much more complex than being reported.

Finally Shashi Tharoor gets some thing right :). The chap of course would be having contacts all across the world.

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby Lalmohan » 22 Mar 2012 22:42

merah was shot in the head by a police sniper as he was trying to jump out of the window. as more former friends and acquaintances are being interviewed - a picture emerges of a disturbed and violent young man who finds salvation in the religion of peace in the peaceful sanctuaries of waziristan... i think it will not be long before we find the relevant linkages to state sponsored training camps...
i am sure he is one of the many sleepers/manchurian candidates who has been sent back 'home' for future ops

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby shyamd » 23 Mar 2012 00:42

How he slipped through the net.

Spiegel special:
Mohamed Merah and the Secret Services: A Serial Killer Under Observation: The debate is beginning in France over... bit.ly/GN0ArX

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They are clueless, the obvious (usually the not so smart) ones are under the net and are usually the ones that get caught.
They are clutching at straws at the moment.

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby hnair » 23 Mar 2012 00:57

ramana wrote:What did Israel do after the Chahbad House murders by LeT terrorists in Mumbai 26/11 attack? By now its four years and some thing could bhave been done like get Saeed or mysterious fire in Murdike.


Amen. Anything that is not approved by US will not be undertaken. Speaks volumes about the spine of those that have been iconified by a lot of Indians as the epitome of terror-busting. India seem to have at least armtwisted the pakis to send a judicial commission (however useless). What did the Israelis do other than to make condescending offers of help to India etc? Headley, who coldheartedly selected the Chahbad House, is sitting smug, right in the place where they are supposed to have maximum influence via diaspora - American justice system. Why can't they work for extradition of their own?

I guess a few televised helicopter shots at RPG totters is all that is enough to be declared as competent.

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby Agnimitra » 23 Mar 2012 01:00

Re: Merah
I guess the outcome of the coming election is now a foregone conclusion.

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby aditya » 23 Mar 2012 01:07

IMO one needs to distinguish several items regarding the Norway case:

  • Sachin wrote:Same case had happened earlier as well, when the media sensationlised that a few Indian students in US were forced to wear a tag on their ankles. The fact was that the tag on their ankles (for cops to trace them, if they act smart) was part of their bail condition. These fellows who said they were humiliated by wearing them had a better option. Dont apply for bail and sit inside a prison cell. I was waiting for more sob stories to come out when a group of Indian students in UK were arrested by the British Police for working "over time" when they were on student VISA. But luckily no body complained on that.


    Hinglish media's guiding metaphor is a mix of Bollywood masala with intellectual depth of Daily Mail/News of The World etc. We are not debating the merits or negatives of their sensationalized news reporting. That has to be pre-filtered and taken out of the discussion.
  • Dhiman wrote:These two children are under the care of a Bong family who live in norway. "Foster home" here is provided by the Indian family and expenses paid for by Noway government.


    Are you sure of this information? Either way, it is safe to assume that the said folks are taxpayers in Norway. If the suggestion is "look how benevolent Norway is", that clearly does not apply as the folks are essentially being paid out of their own money to take care of the kids.

    Dhiman wrote:There is very little GoI can do other than putting these children in government orphanage in India where they will not get even 10% of the care that they receive in norway


    Where does the question of a GoI orphanage arise when the kids have several living relatives who can take care of them?

    Secondly, we are not comparing the respective standards of living or quality of care provided by state institutions in the two countries. One can similarly start arguing that some poor daily wager labourer's kid is better off kidnapped by a desperate affluent couple who will bring it up with far more facilities and comfort than the biological parents.

GoI is not expected to intervene as a marriage counselor or arbitrator between the parents. That is not what this case has ever been about.

The case is clear. Either the parents are charged with a criminal offence towards their children, or they are not. In the latter case, the state has no business intervening with repressive measures, regardless of the intra-familial situation (by those standards, how many broken families in Western countries (and in India) could be considered unfit environments for children?) This is the principle GOI has to stand up for given that its citizens are involved.

GOI must continue to monitor this case closely and intervene. Unfortunately, it seems to have backed out for the same reason it entered the picture - sensationalist media coverage.

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby shyamd » 23 Mar 2012 01:22

The socialists are expected to win in France. Everyone is preparing for the changeover even the intel services as the socialists are planning reforms.

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby Lalmohan » 23 Mar 2012 02:11

Carl wrote:Re: Merah
I guess the outcome of the coming election is now a foregone conclusion.


sarko is milking it for all its worth, it might swing in his favour now

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby pgbhat » 23 Mar 2012 07:10

Lalmohan wrote:merah has shot his way out of the flat and jumped through the window guns blazing. he's now dead - i assume from having jumped from the window. apparently police used 3 stun grenades after a video probe pushed into the bathroom, commando's went in, he emptied all his clips (AK47, UZI, 9mm) and then jumped through the window. 2 cops slightly injured
siege is over

holed up in the bathroom - now does that sound familiar kids?

Any news yet regarding the origin of weapons?

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby ranjbe » 23 Mar 2012 07:20

For those in BRF who were unsure who the foster parents of the Bhattacharya children in Norway:
Arunabhash, who is in Stavanger, had told media he was concerned about a custody battle in India. He had earlier indicated the children seemed to be doing well with their foster parents, Norwegians of Indian origin.



http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Europe/Mom-claims-abuse-Norway-won-t-hand-over-kids-to-uncle/Article1-829249.aspx

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby Agnimitra » 23 Mar 2012 20:32

Will France repatriate its Moslems the way they did with the Roma?
Tolerating Islam: “He grabbed her by the hair and then shot her in the head”
There is no denying, however, that at the nub of it, those wars are all about radical Islamists, who can’t accommodate themselves to the modern world.

And it’s also about the people who indulge them.

France has been, until now, a modern-day playground for Islamists who hearken back to the days of yore when they waged a siege on the gates of Vienna and raided the Russian and Georgian steppes for Caucasian slaves for the Ottoman Empire.

For years France has helped disseminate the lie that everything wrong in the Arab world is the fault of Israel and the United States. They welcomed Islamists into their country.

But now Merah may have brought France to its knees in ways not intended.

“This week's killings at a Jewish school and the link with the earlier killings of three soldiers in the same southwestern region of France initially prompted a fragile truce in France's election campaigning,” reports Reuters. “Political analysts say the Toulouse killings could transform the contest in the few weeks left before the two-round ballot, which takes place on April 22 and May 6.”

The beneficiaries will be those who have warned against a permissive multiculturalism that celebrates the permanent minority against the common sense of the shifting majority.
[...]
But in Europe these are not normal times.

Not since discontent swept through Italy, Germany and Spain in the 1920s and 1930s, leading to the rise of fascism, has Europe faced so grave a cultural crisis.

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby Lalmohan » 23 Mar 2012 20:39

pgbhat wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:merah has shot his way out of the flat and jumped through the window guns blazing. he's now dead - i assume from having jumped from the window. apparently police used 3 stun grenades after a video probe pushed into the bathroom, commando's went in, he emptied all his clips (AK47, UZI, 9mm) and then jumped through the window. 2 cops slightly injured
siege is over

holed up in the bathroom - now does that sound familiar kids?

Any news yet regarding the origin of weapons?


no, but he had a massive stash of lethal hardware - financed from his criminal enterprises. two rental cars with boots stuffed full of weapons. he shot of ~300 rounds in his final moments apparently (though its not clear if that includes the police as well)

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby Dhiman » 24 Mar 2012 11:10

aditya wrote:[*]
Dhiman wrote:These two children are under the care of a Bong family who live in norway. "Foster home" here is provided by the Indian family and expenses paid for by Noway government.


Are you sure of this information? Either way, it is safe to assume that the said folks are taxpayers in Norway. If the suggestion is "look how benevolent Norway is", that clearly does not apply as the folks are essentially being paid out of their own money to take care of the kids.


Yes sir, I am sure. Please feel free to cross check any way you like. The issue is not regarding "benovalence of Norway", but whether Norway has and is doing the "right thing". In this case, obviously they are doing the "right thing" as per their laws to which everyone in Norway is subjected to.

aditya wrote:
Dhiman wrote:There is very little GoI can do other than putting these children in government orphanage in India where they will not get even 10% of the care that they receive in norway


Where does the question of a GoI orphanage arise when the kids have several living relatives who can take care of them?


You are obviously not upto date with news regarding this case. The mother is a voilent psycho, the father seems to be a bit normal, but lying through his teeth since the very beginning, and the uncle who was supposed to take custody of the children is flip flopping on whether he wants to take custody. So which "several relatives" are you talking about? The only relatives that I see here is the GoI orphanage or Foster family in Norway. The father himself has been quoted as saying that the Children might be better off in foster care in Norway becuase if the children were to return to India, they would most likely be handed over to psycho mother as Indian laws by default favor child custody by mother.

Secondly, we are not comparing the respective standards of living or quality of care provided by state institutions in the two countries. One can similarly start arguing that some poor daily wager labourer's kid is better off kidnapped by a desperate affluent couple who will bring it up with far more facilities and comfort than the biological parents.[/list]


Well guess what, a lot of life is about being at the right place at the right time and that includes whether you are born rich or poor. So without getting into hypthetical philosphy with you, the practical reality here is that these children are in norway, they are subjected to norway laws, and norway is doing nothing wrong in this case. So if Norway intends to enforce their laws, there is not much GoI can do.

There is definiately scope for negotiation but what kind of deal do you expect GoI to make with norway? The parents are definiatley not taking responsibility, so on what basis do you expect Norway to return these children to India? An agreement with GoI that the children will live in pathetic conditions in GoI orphanages in India? That is certainly not going to fly very high in Norway, is it?

The case is clear. Either the parents are charged with a criminal offence towards their children, or they are not.


The parents have already been charged and convicted in court of child abuse under Norway's laws; hence, their children were taken away from them.

In the latter case, the state has no business intervening with repressive measures,


Firstly, let's not confuse cause and effect here. If the parents would have done even an average job of raising the children in the first place, the state would not have stepped in.

Secondly, every state has the duty to protect people living in that state and this includes citizens, non-citizens, and even illegal residents. The state of Norway here has the will and the resources to carry out its duty to protect the children where parents have obviously failed. We are not at that level in India. The Indian state is hardly capable of preventing child abuse in India, atleast no where near the extent that Norway is capable of doing. But rest assured, if India ever reaches the level of development that Norway is at, you bet your bottom that parents will be hauled into courts for child abuse cases.

There is plenty of child abuse in India, the reason you don't hear about it is becuase the Indian state does not have the resources to persue these cases for the most part. Norway does.

regardless of the intra-familial situation (by those standards, how many broken families in Western countries (and in India) could be considered unfit environments for children?) This is the principle GOI has to stand up for given that its citizens are involved.


This is not about broken families, the case is about "child abuse" and the options that are available to these two children in particular given that their parents are doing a pathetic job of raising the children in the first place.

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby Agnimitra » 25 Mar 2012 01:58

Thousands of Afghanis, Pakistanis apply for EU asylum
Brussels, March 24 (IANS) Nearly 30,000 Afghanis and 15,000 Pakistanis have applied for asylum in the European Union (EU) in 2011, the EU's statistical office said.

A total of 301,000 people had applied for EU asylum, of whom 90 percent were new applicants and about 10 percent were repeat applicants, the Eurostat said Friday.

The main countries of citizenship of these applicants were Afghanistan (28,000), Russia (18,200), Pakistan (15,700), Iraq (15,200 ) and Serbia (13,900), EuAsiaNews reported.

The highest number of applicants was registered in France (56,300 applicants), followed by Germany (53,300) and Italy (34,100). Britain received 26,400 applications.

Thousands of people have been displaced in Pakistan and Afghanistan plagued by insurgency and terrorism that has threatened peace and stability in the region.

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Postby krisna » 27 Mar 2012 07:43

'The English care worker had a colonial bias — something we see often'
Magne Brun is a Norwegian human rights lawyer and activist who has had several run-ins with the country's Child Welfare Service (CWS). He specialises in cases of autism, especially where the CWS has failed to have the child tested and ascribed its difficulties to the home environment. In his chambers next to the court building in downtown Oslo, he helped The Hindu's Vaiju Naravane go through and analyse the 87-page dossier on the two Bhattacharya children removed from their parents home last year and now at the centre of a custody battle between India, which wants the toddlers brought back to the country, and the Norwegian authorities, who insist they remain in foster care in Norway till they turn 18.


What emerges from this chronologically arranged collection of reports?

Don't start with the second part — the CWS' conclusions and arguments after the children were taken. You start with the first part, the on-the-spot reports. One must remember that in law, the immediately recorded testimony is generally considered to be the most accurate. Because if a witness files a second report further on in time, then he or she is bound to have been influenced by his or her own conclusions, what the person has read or heard. So the reports filed later are generally considered less accurate than the immediate on-the-scene reports.


So you read the arguments of the parents and try to understand why the first court verdict went in their favour and why the second went in the CWS's favour. And if you connect the first verdict to the evidence you have in the first part of the dossier, and you connect the second decision to the second part, you get a picture of what changed and how that was presented to the court.

Do you see a clear cultural misunderstanding in this case?

The English care worker Mrs Middleton [used by the CWS] had a colonial bias and that is something we see often. That is one thing I have often tried to explain to the courts. The child services see themselves as neutral, transparent, as mere watchers.

They are not anything like that to the parents, who see them as representing authority and a threat. They are seen as evil, difficult to understand, difficult to predict, impossible to trust and when they enter the family arena the family is negatively affected by having them around, filming them, telling how their lives should be organised. So what should be friendly advice and genuine help to a family in distress becomes chaos and catastrophe and increases the family's vulnerability and also its negativism.


Is there anything in the report by Mrs Middleton which shocks you?

Now if I look at the report by Mrs Middleton, the lady the couple disliked, the first comment that I would ask her about: “The family has no car which makes the father spend a lot of time to and from work. This has affected how much time he has been able to prioritise the guidance.” She is implying that it is his fault that he is on the bus to and from work and also that he does not take the family situation seriously. This is an unnecessarily negative and loaded way of describing the situation and it is wrong to put it that way. It does not say anything about priorities. Middleton says: “The father does not understand how important I am.” She appears offended by that and she makes a point of making the father look inadequate in terms of his priorities for the family. I would say the parents do not recognise themselves in how they are presented here.

Where would you say the CWS went wrong in the Bhattacharya case?

The CWS made four essential mistakes. First, it did not extend all the support it could have done. Second, it removed the children by deception, by saying there was an emergency situation when in fact there was no emergency. Third, the CWS refused to accept the first County Committee decision and kept the children in care and did not hand them back. And finally it strengthened their case, aggravated the charges against the parents in order to get the verdict it wanted. At some point the CWS says the “father talks about going back to India. That would be unfortunate.” I suspect the CWS moved in and made it an emergency because it was afraid the family would pack up and go home. Because I cannot see any emergency situation and neither could the court. So this is a clear case of over reach by the CWS.

Did the CWS do all that it was supposed to do, medically speaking, in order to get an accurate analysis of the boy's problems?

I don't think so. Because when the CWS came in, it stopped the medical examinations. That strikes me as being strange. A three-year-old child, such behaviour and no language. And there are no signs of qualified abuse — no bruises, no sexual abuse etc. So the harm, the boy brings onto himself. And the CWS theory about why he does that to himself is that the mom lacks affection or fails to connect or understand him. When you are three and you have no language, there are strong indications of a disorder like autism. But that kind of behaviour just from being yelled at or occasionally slapped or locked or even ignored by the mother simply does not add up to 2+2.

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby Prem » 27 Mar 2012 08:09

I think NorPaqiwegian are dying race, unhappy a lot and want to spread depression in the happy world.
No wonder when a Norwegian get drunk he start speaking Swedish.

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2009/10/06/ ... opulation/
Depression hits half the population
Just one day after Norway was ranked as the best country in the world in which to live comes news that roughly half of all Norwegians will suffer depression or anxiety at some point in their lives. Psychiatric ailments have taken over as the country’s most widespread, and expensive, in the health care sector.
It’s a paradox of sorts: This year’s United Nations Human Development report,released on Monday, claims that Norwegians enjoy the highest life expectancy, literacy and income potential in the world. That apparently doesn’t mean they’re happy.
Depression and anxiety are the new folkesykdom , or national illnesses, say researchers at the state public health institute Folkehelseinstituttet . In a report issued this week, the institute claims that mental health problems are also costing society dearly because they can crop up early in life, often lead to long-term sick leave and expensive treatment programs. Patients also can suffer relapses, because of the chronic nature of their illness.The study notes how alarmingly common diagnoses of depression and anxiety ( angst ) have become in Norway: They are the main cause of around a third of all sick leaves, affecting at least 100,000 persons at any given time.“There’s no single factor that can clarify why so many suffer depression,” division director Arne Holte of the health institute told newspaper Aftenposten . There are many factors that can put people at risk, he noted, and it’s when they build up that people can get sick.Norway’s psychiatric programs are often the target of criticism, and the health care sector is routinely accused of offering insufficient care. Holte reports that the government nonetheless has been investing heavily in mental health, spending as much as NOK 30 billion (about USD 5 billion) over the past 10 years to improve psychiatric health care.He noted, however, that psychiatric illness are costing as much as NOK 70 billion every year, and the amount is rising.

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Postby Lalmohan » 27 Mar 2012 12:34

most people who live in extreme lattitudes suffer from seasonal depression (SAD syndrome) due to the low levels of sunlight during the winter months. it is a serious problem all over the scandinvian countries and northern russia - since it usually combines with alcoholism. given their high standard of living, they are probably also suffering from boredom (i.e. since life is not a struggle, there is more time to worry...)

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby krisna » 28 Mar 2012 09:49

Lalmohan wrote:most people who live in extreme lattitudes suffer from seasonal depression (SAD syndrome) due to the low levels of sunlight during the winter months. it is a serious problem all over the scandinvian countries and northern russia - since it usually combines with alcoholism. given their high standard of living, they are probably also suffering from boredom (i.e. since life is not a struggle, there is more time to worry...)


Not anymore. Ask the bakis in norway. they will make sure nordic life is a struggle and depression set in in double quick time :rotfl:

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby Lalmohan » 28 Mar 2012 12:45

yes i am sure you are right about the paqui effect!
i met a few paquis in norway, most were glad for the economic opportunity offered by their new home - compared to the complete lack of opportunity back home. that said, i am sure that for every one of those guys, there are one or two who are dreaming of flying the green flag over the royal palace

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Postby krisna » 30 Mar 2012 04:35

Custody row: Norway Child Welfare Service to hand over kids to their uncle

After a series of flip flops, the parentrs and the uncle had prepared a new agreement for giving the custody of the children to Arunabash and they got it attested by the Indian Embassy in Oslo.

Three days ago, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had taken up the issue of the two children with Norway Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg on the margin of the Nuclear Security Summit in Seoul.
Singh had told Stoltenberg that India was keen to find an amicable and good solution to the custody battle of two NRI children within the ambit of law.

suspect GOI played some role in it.
Norway blinked not wanting to escalate it.

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Postby Prem » 31 Mar 2012 10:28

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -boys.html
Dutch Roman Catholic Church 'castrated at least 10 boys'
Evidence of the castrations has emerged amid controversy that it was not included in the findings of an official investigation into sexual abuse within the church last year. The NRC Handelsblad newspaper identified Henk Heithuis who was castrated in 1956, while a minor, after reporting priests to the police for abusing him in a Catholic boarding home. Joep Dohmen, the investigative journalist who uncovered the Heithuis case, also found evidence of at least nine other castrations. "These cases are anonymous and can no longer be traced," he said. "There will be many more. But the question is whether those boys, now old men, will want to tell their story." Mr Heithuis died in a car crash in 1958, two years after being castrated at the age of 20, while under the age of majority, which was then 21.

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Re: India-EU News & Analysis

Postby chetak » 01 Apr 2012 22:18

krisna wrote:Custody row: Norway Child Welfare Service to hand over kids to their uncle

After a series of flip flops, the parentrs and the uncle had prepared a new agreement for giving the custody of the children to Arunabash and they got it attested by the Indian Embassy in Oslo.

Three days ago, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had taken up the issue of the two children with Norway Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg on the margin of the Nuclear Security Summit in Seoul.
Singh had told Stoltenberg that India was keen to find an amicable and good solution to the custody battle of two NRI children within the ambit of law.

suspect GOI played some role in it.
Norway blinked not wanting to escalate it.


Not to mention telenor has it's testicles caught in an Indian vice. :)

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Postby gunjur » 20 Apr 2012 12:24

What Do Europe's Pirate Parties Stand for?
What kind of country would put pirates in charge of the government? The answer is: a country like Germany. Last fall, voters in Berlin elected members of the German Pirate Party to state parliament.

Its hierarchy is largely flat and often evolving. Founded in 2006 as an offshoot of a similar party in Sweden, on a platform of defending copyright infringement and illegal downloads, it has since cast about for something more to stand for. Civil liberties remain central, including calls for drug legalization, digital privacy, and the separation of church and state, but so are such issues as free public transport and Wi-Fi and an unconditional minimum income.

the Pirate Movement has established footholds across the continent, with a smattering of municipal council positions in the Spain, Switzerland, and the Czech Republic. After Germany, the most successful version is in Sweden, where the Pirate Party holds two seats in the European parliament and supporters have managed to register Internet piracy as an official religion. :?: :shock:

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Postby arun » 20 Apr 2012 20:39

Congress Party led UPA administration of Dr. Manmohan Singh has the Additional Solicitor General state in the Supreme Court that the Congress party led Kerala State Government has no jurisdiction to try the Enrica Lexie case as the killing of the Indian fisherman is said to have taken place in international waters.

The Congress party member Minister of External Affairs claims he knows nothing of the stand taken by his own Government.

Has the Italian “hand’ trumped over the death of a Catholic fisherman by borrowing the concept of blood money from our western neighbours, the Islamic republic of Pakistan:

Kerala can't act in Italian marines case, says Centre; Supreme Court slams stand

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Postby Singha » 20 Apr 2012 20:58

the roman catholic church horror show continues.

I wonder what the next episode will bring?

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Postby Sachin » 20 Apr 2012 21:19

x-posted from the Justice Reform thread..
I think this is all a good drama !!. There were already rumours floating around that things would take another course after the recent by-elections in Kerala. It was a Congress candidate who won. A battalion of Italians are now in Kerala, and it is now reported that the close relatives of the dead fishermen have agreed to accept a compensation of Rs.1 crore.

The Central Govt. who was doing practically nothing in this case, now comes up with theories that the Kerala Police does not have any locus standi in this case. All this while the Kerala Police have been working over time to come up with a solid charge sheet in this case. They have pretty much consulted every single agency related to sea-faring and coastal security. Plus they also had to face the media onslaught who was waiting for an opportunity to prove that Kerala Police was abetting the accused sailors to escape the course of justice.

Yeah, SM Krishna and the state CM Ooman Chandy would come up with some sob stories, and the media would broadcast it 24/7. And then it is game over. The Italians will happily march back home.

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Postby RajeshA » 20 Apr 2012 21:32

UPA is building a solid case against them. Italians letting Italians go!

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Postby arun » 21 Apr 2012 20:27

arun wrote:Congress Party led UPA administration of Dr. Manmohan Singh has the Additional Solicitor General state in the Supreme Court that the Congress party led Kerala State Government has no jurisdiction to try the Enrica Lexie case as the killing of the Indian fisherman is said to have taken place in international waters.

The Congress party member Minister of External Affairs claims he knows nothing of the stand taken by his own Government.

Has the Italian “hand’ trumped over the death of a Catholic fisherman by borrowing the concept of blood money from our western neighbours, the Islamic republic of Pakistan:

Kerala can't act in Italian marines case, says Centre; Supreme Court slams stand


Now the Ministry of Shipping puts out a press release seemingly disowning what the Assistant Solicitor General had to say :roll: :

A Clarification from Shipping Ministry on Detention of Italian Ship ‘Enrica Lexie’

The matter regarding detention of Italian Ship ‘Enrica Lexie” had come up before the Supreme Court today. In regard to the report in a section of the media that the Central Government expressed the view in the Supreme Court that the Kerala State police had no jurisdiction to detain the Italian Ship, it is clarified that the Central Government has not filed any Affidavit in the matter, nor any such instructions were given to the Government counsel . There is no difference of opinion between the Centre and the State Government.

PIB

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Postby arun » 21 Apr 2012 20:40

Joining the Ministry of Shipping, the Minister for Shipping G.K.Vasan had this say:

Shooting incident happened in Indian waters: Minister

PTI | 03:04 PM,Apr 21,2012
Chennai,Apr21 (PTI)……………..

"Government is clear that the incident happened in Indian waters," Shipping Minister G K Vasan told reporters here. "It might be his personal opinion," Vasan said, responding to Harin Raval's submission that Enrica Lexie was not within Indian territorial waters when the two marines aboard it had allegedly shot dead two Indian fishermen on February 15. ………………

PTI via CNN IBN


Is the Additional Solicitor General being set up to be the scape goat for a crude failed attempt to obtain the release of the Italians who murdered Indian fisherman?

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Postby nawabs » 21 Apr 2012 23:11

It is not good time to be a lawyer representing the Government,what with this incident or that incident about gay case and many other.

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Postby arun » 23 Apr 2012 20:56

The Pioneer is reporting that in Kerala there is suspicion that a cabal belonging to the Catholic sect of Christism that includes Union Minister K.V. Thomas and Kerala Law Minister KM Mani, a Catholic notwithstanding what his name, are working to botch the case against the Italians onboard the Enrica Lexie who killed Indians.

Much is also being made of the Catholic Archbishop of the Syro-Malabar sub-sect, George Alencherry’s statement of support by the Catholics of the Latin sub-sect and his meeting with the Kerala Law Minister.

Are Kerala Chief Minister Oomen Chandy and Kerala’s last minute substitution counsel to the Supreme Court M.T. George Catholic as well and if so to which sub-sect do they belong?:

Mystery over ASG stance in SC unresolved

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Postby Sachin » 24 Apr 2012 11:23

arun wrote:The Pioneer is reporting that in Kerala there is suspicion that a cabal belonging to the Catholic sect of Christism that includes Union Minister K.V. Thomas and Kerala Law Minister KM Mani, a Catholic notwithstanding what his name, are working to botch the case against the Italians onboard the Enrica Lexie who killed Indians.

The current Congress govt. is already walking a tight-rope after the inclusion of a fifth minister from the Muslim league. With maximum ministers from one or the other minority community, there are lots of folks out there who are not happy with that. I dont think the government would take any stand which they are openly accused of taking a stance because of the religious identity of the accused.

The Kerala CM himself have asked the counsel for GoI to be changed. If I read it right Gulam A Vahanvati is going to represent GoI in this case. (Mathrubhumi (English))

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Postby Murugan » 24 Apr 2012 15:21

It is a deal ?

Italian Govt to Pay Rs. 1 Crore

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_it ... es_1680023

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Postby Sachin » 24 Apr 2012 16:50

Murugan wrote:It is a deal ?
Italian Govt to Pay Rs. 1 Crore

This 1 crore is only for the close relatives of the dead fishermen. They had filed some private petitions requesting for good investigation, and also for ordering the ship NOT to leave India's shores until the case is heard and decided. The close relatives have agreed to STOP persuing these cases.

But the cases charged by the Kerala Police would remain open. These fellows who took the money are not witnesses for the case which is charged by the police. So I see no reason as to how these folks can scuttle the murder case. The only way to scuttle the criminal case would be some how to force K.P to either put a shoddy prosecution case or put a request to withdraw the case.

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Postby Prem » 24 Apr 2012 22:02

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17821841
Norway custody row children return to India
Two Indian children who were handed over to their uncle from foster care in Norway have returned to India.
On Monday, a Norwegian court ruled that the children be allowed to return to India.Norway's Child Welfare Agency (CWA) said it took the children into custody last May alleging their parents did not adequately look after them.However, the parents said that "cultural differences" were behind the agency's decision.The incident has caused a diplomatic row between Norway and India.TV pictures showed three-year-old Abhigyan and one-year-old Aishwariya Bhattacharya at Delhi's international airport on Tuesday morning. They are on their way to the eastern city of Calcutta.
The children were met at the airport by Junior Foreign Minister Praneet Kaur.Foreign Minister SM Krishna said he was "delighted to welcome [the] kids to India".The children were put into foster care by the CWA after local social services said the children were at risk.However the parents, Anurup and Sagarika Bhattacharya, who were living in Norway at the time, denied this.They said that there were "cultural differences" the authorities took exception to, including sleeping with the children and feeding them by hand.Following discussions, the CWA has reached an agreement with the parents and the children's uncle.Custody of the children was transfered to the uncle, enabling them to return to India.The case received extensive media attention in India and provoked public anger, with the Indian government saying that the children should be allowed to live in their own cultural and linguistic environment

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Postby shyamd » 28 Apr 2012 02:56

Excellent progress.

EU looks beyond trade-only ties with India
Ajay Banerjee writes from Brussels

The European Union (EU) has offered India to join hands with it on defence and security related issues in a bid to widen the spectrum of its allies. The long-term goal, as per the EU, is to jointly tackle the situation in Afghanistan and the emerging problematic countries in Africa besides combining efforts on counter terrorism, cyber security, crisis management and counter piracy efforts in the Indian Ocean.

The EU collectively is looking to have an extradition treaty with India. Just a couple of years ago, Denmark had refused to extradite Purulia arms drop case accused Kim Davy while a few years earlier Indian agencies faced hurdles in getting underworld don Abu Salem extradited from Portugal. For India, the sensitive issues with EU have been information sharing for counter-terrorism operations and extradition of fugitives.

David O’ Sullivan, Chief Operating Officer of European External Action Service (EEAS), told Indian reporters, “We will meet India to discuss possible information sharing and extradition. The EU is political and not a trade project,” he asserted. Those associated with various wings of the EEAS observed that there was a need was to “have a common EU-India agenda”. The EEAS is a 16-month-old body tasked with combining the efforts of the European countries with other countries.

The EU, a conglomerate of 27 countries, is looking to move beyond the trade-only relations with India (two way trade was at 67.9 billion Euros - Rs 4.55 lakh crore approx -- in 2010). The EU, having its headquarters in this city, has invited a high-level delegation from India to discuss the twin issues of security and defence.

Maciej Popowski, EEAS secretary general, says “We have rich agenda with India and we are going beyond the traditional engagement”. EU officials listed the collective defence budget of the 27 countries at 194 billion Euros. Out of that, 41.99 billion Euros was for ‘defence investment’, an indication as to where India could have future alliances.

Looking at the situation in Afghanistan after the proposed pullout of the US-led NATO troops by the end of 2014, Walter Stevens, Director of the EEAS Crisis Management and Policy Division, says “India and EU can sit together and see how to approach the situation. We would want India to join hands with us and train police in Afghanistan”.

The EU believes the Afghan situation after 2014 could impact Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, the two nations with which India has deep ties. The EU has also proposed that the EU Police can have direct tie-ups with India’s CBI and the NIA.

On Africa, the EU has a vision of working together with India, which has military training teams in over a dozen countries. “Africa is an area where we can work together,” said Pedro Serrano, Director, South East Asia, EEAS. “No notes have been exchanged with India on Africa but we will do it,” Serrano said.

Probably, the EU efforts to tango with India are best explained by its think-tank, the Paris-based European Union Institute for Security Studies (EUISS ). Its Director Alvaro De Vasconceles, in response to a question if the EU was looking at new allies beyond the US, said, “There is a changing world order and we, the EU, are looking to expand the scope of our allies but this possible tie-up is not an anti-US body”. The EU expects India to be in the top three economies of the world by 2030, he said. This Correspondent was on an invite of the European Union.

What 27-nation conglomerate wants

n India to join hands with it on defence and security related issues

n Jointly tackle the situation in Afghanistan and emerging problematic countries in Africa

n Combined efforts on counter-terrorism, cyber security and counter-piracy efforts in the Indian Ocean

n A collective extradition treaty with India


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