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Postby krisna » 22 Nov 2012 00:59

Hundreds of Irish women forced to come to Britain for abortions
Hundreds of Irish women, including dozens who had been raped, have life-threatening illnesses or are under the age of 16, have been forced to seek abortions in Britain in the past three years, a pro-choice charity said.

The charity, which issues grants of between £20 to £700 to Irish women seeking terminations, said it had helped 335 women from the Irish Republic over the last three years – including 19 rape victims, 21 with severe health problems and 21 girls under 16. A further six had attempted suicide in the recent past, the group said.

t has also enabled 238 women from Northern Ireland to obtain abortions in England. The region is the only part of the UK where the 1967 Abortion Act does not apply, although the type of emergency termination denied to Savita Halappanavar is available to women with life-threatening conditions in Northern Irish hospitals.


In ropers controlled areas, women can be raped with impunity. 4 male witnesses are required. hence impossible to prosecute rapists.
here in different sense, raped women and others cannot get abortion.

how different is ireland from taliban.

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Postby g.sarkar » 24 Nov 2012 01:50

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 68662.html
Forgetting Fukushima India Pursues Massive Nuclear Expansion
By Wieland Wagner
The 2011 disaster at Japan's Fukushima plant led many countries to turn away from nuclear power. But a growing population and rising economy has prompted India to massively expand its nuclear program -- even in the face of technological worries and fervent opposition.
They placed the photo of the dead man in the entrance of the hut. A lightbulb illuminating his face makes it look like that of a saint. The bereaved widow has her four children stand in front of the photo. They have lost their breadwinner, and now they can only hope that he will continue to somehow feed them even after death. Opponents of nuclear power in India view him as a martyr and are collecting donations for the family.
Sahayam Francis was only 42, and now his picture is displayed everywhere on the straw-roofed houses of Idinthakarai, a fishing village in the state of Tamil Nadu, on the southern tip of the Indian subcontinent. It looks like an idyllic place, where fisherman spread their catches out to dry on the beach and repair their nets while sitting under palm trees. But it's a deceptive paradise.
A few kilometers to the southwest, the new Kudankulam Nuclear Power Plant, built with Russian technology, towers over the haze. In September, the Supreme Court in New Delhi dismissed a lawsuit filed by opponents of nuclear power who were trying to block the loading of fuel at the plant. Now the countdown continues, and the first reactor could be ready for start-up by the end of the year, with the second one to follow shortly thereafter. The reactors are expected to generate a total of 2,000 megawatts of electricity to help satisfy some of the rising economic power's thirst for energy......"
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Postby brihaspati » 24 Nov 2012 03:09

I don't see any reason to blame Ireland or the Irish. Their law is very clear on this, and as an immigrant couple they should have been aware of the risks involved. Many women in similar situation either choose to move over for the more risky period of their pregnancy to UK or some other EU country which allows such "procedures" as and when necessary. At least the the Irish "fundoos" or whatever youc hoose to call them are not deceptive or pretenending something they are not.


I saw that John Dayal was vociferous in his demands or position on this on the behalf of the Catholic church. He was speaking on Indian soil, in India, and on an Indian TV channel. Why is no public critique or pressure on the Indian Catholic church or catholics being raised? Ireland has minimal presence in India, so an effective counter-pressure to have changes there has to be based on pressure on the substantial presence of a relevant social group within India.

By 2011 estimates - only about 3.8 million Irish are Catholics - compared to some 19.9 million Indian Catholics. Which population do you think is more amenable to "persuasion" and have greater impact on the Vatican to bring pressure or assent to Ireland "changing" its ways?

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Postby member_23677 » 24 Nov 2012 04:15

brihaspati wrote:I don't see any reason to blame Ireland or the Irish. Their law is very clear on this, and as an immigrant couple they should have been aware of the risks involved. Many women in similar situation either choose to move over for the more risky period of their pregnancy to UK or some other EU country which allows such "procedures" as and when necessary. At least the the Irish "fundoos" or whatever youc hoose to call them are not deceptive or pretenending something they are not.


I saw that John Dayal was vociferous in his demands or position on this on the behalf of the Catholic church. He was speaking on Indian soil, in India, and on an Indian TV channel. Why is no public critique or pressure on the Indian Catholic church or catholics being raised? Ireland has minimal presence in India, so an effective counter-pressure to have changes there has to be based on pressure on the substantial presence of a relevant social group within India.

By 2011 estimates - only about 3.8 million Irish are Catholics - compared to some 19.9 million Indian Catholics. Which population do you think is more amenable to "persuasion" and have greater impact on the Vatican to bring pressure or assent to Ireland "changing" its ways?


Ireland is a christian country and white, both of which India isn't. Good luck trying to persuade them with that. Also, Indian catholics are the "unsaved savages" who have been saved thanks to the sternous efforts of missionaries from all around the world. Ireland definitely resembles more of taliban than the free western country they advertise themselves to be. Also, do you really read and learn all the laws of a country? Is it not normal to assume that a country would have normal abortion laws like rest of the world? let's put the blame where it belongs, and it's the stupid laws and backward mentality of irish people

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Postby brihaspati » 24 Nov 2012 06:44

P.Bhagat wrote:
Ireland is a christian country and white, both of which India isn't. Good luck trying to persuade them with that. Also, Indian catholics are the "unsaved savages" who have been saved thanks to the sternous efforts of missionaries from all around the world. Ireland definitely resembles more of taliban than the free western country they advertise themselves to be. Also, do you really read and learn all the laws of a country? Is it not normal to assume that a country would have normal abortion laws like rest of the world? let's put the blame where it belongs, and it's the stupid laws and backward mentality of irish people


No - there are lots of differences with the "Taliban", no socially approved slavery, honour killing, shuttlecock burqa, sharia law. Second with regards to "abortion", the world does not have universal uniform abortion laws. Even in enlightened Germany, you have to get "counselling" before you can get it.

Immigrants do need to find out the legal side that is of life and death consequence - and everyone knows that pregnancy is potentially highly risky and life threatening. A greater awareness of the laws and customs of a country could save lots of pain for Indian couples - as would have happened, I think, in the Norway case too.

Indians should think twice before taking young children to, or falling pregnant in foreign nations, especially the west. It will be a long long time before the west really learns to respect India, and it will not happen until India thrashes them or their allies in war. Its a dog-world in the advanced nations - underlying, the respect is only obtained if they are thrashed physically, in war or otherwise.

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Postby RamaY » 24 Nov 2012 07:52

Bji,

I hope our diplomats read your posts. It is an honor knowing you.

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Postby member_23677 » 24 Nov 2012 10:46

Why does a bankrupt EU needs more military funding?

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Postby member_23677 » 24 Nov 2012 10:47

urinal queendom breaking up with EU or atleast wanting to ...

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Disillusionment with the European project has brought more support in Britain for the UK Independence Party, which believes only pulling out of the EU will do. What's more, recent polls show over half of Britons agree

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Postby member_23677 » 24 Nov 2012 10:50

Another nice one....

"Dog-ate-my-homework excuses in EU bailout blame game" :rotfl:

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Greek leaders are furious at the country being left in limbo. European finance chiefs failed to agree on handing over the next 31-billion euros Athens vitally needs to avoid insolvency - leaving it straining to meet debtors' demands. And, with thousands of layoffs sparking even more protests, economist Antonis Vradis says people there are on the edge.

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Postby Johann » 25 Nov 2012 21:15

What an awful, disgusting and preventable horror.

In many ways Savita's tragic death will have far more impact in Ireland than India. Given that abortion is a raging legal, political and social battle within Ireland, her death will not be forgotten there for a long time to come.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_i ... of_Ireland

The statistics are clear - just as in America, the younger population simply does not share the same outlook on social issues as their elders. Religious reactionaries are losing ground.

Ireland has been far behind the rest of the West for a long time. Contraception was illegal until 1980, and even the mention of contraception was literally censored from books, magazines, film and TV.

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Postby brihaspati » 25 Nov 2012 22:33

Ireland has a problem - in the fact that its need to contraposition of identity against that of the British, necessarily had to take the form of CatholIcism versus Anglicanism. This conflates the Gaelic with Catholicism - making it impossible separate the two when it should be separable.

Every nation that allows organized dogmatic religions fixed in particular time point in history - to rule it - shows the lagging behind in innovation and knowledge creation. Innovation seems to be inversely propotional to historical time point fixed dogmatic religions. The Irish in pre-Christian time show a lot of innovation, so their way forward might yet lie in deviating gently from dogma. But that is not a fight that will happen easily as long as lingering British racist hostility persists - at such a short distance.

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Postby Johann » 25 Nov 2012 23:18

B,

What you're talking about is something that emerged during the potato famine but has been fading fast in last few decades.

England is a country of ever-increasing Irish heritage because of the enormous and continuing Irish emigration and inter-marriage. Being Irish has gone from being embarrassing to being cool. England also a country that has steadily moved away from defining itself religious or sectarian terms. Its also a country where being Catholic is so mainstream that people like Tony Blair have converted. Ireland is going through the same process of separating religion from national identity, it just got started a little later.

The Irish Republic is at peace with England never seen before now that most of the political questions have been settled. That's why you have things like the President of Ireland attending every annual wreath laying at the cenotaph since 1993, or the British Army marching in Dublin to bury Irish soldiers killed serving with British Army in the Iraq war. Or why the UK, Ireland and the Channel Islands form a separate common travel area within the EU.

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Postby brihaspati » 25 Nov 2012 23:50

Thats at the upper echelons - and that started a very long time ago, when both country's elites found a common threat in the IRA in the 70's. You just have to interact with the Gaeltacht in the west and south of Ireland to see how deep the class divide goes. [By the way, the landed gentry of Irish or Anglo-Irish stock thats urvive din the fertile south and centre - through British colonialism - were aligned to the British - for the last three centuries. But that does not determine the cultural underlay].

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Postby Johann » 26 Nov 2012 00:37

B,

Its working class people who have been most likely to migrate to England in search of work. The same kind of people who migrated to North America and Australia and redefined local identities, except that they visit home more often. Their success in England has done more than anything else to ease the anger of 19th century. The second factor is that Catholics in Northern Ireland are finally no longer second class citizens under the thumb of Ulster Irish Protestants - which is why opinion polls show that the majority of Ulster Catholics are willing to remain part of the UK.

The adoption of romantic Irish nationalism by very large portions of the Anglo-Irish ruling class around the turn of the 20th century was critical to the establishment of the republic. Yeats and Erskine Childers are examples of Anglo-Irish members of the British establishment who became part of the Irish national project out of personal choice. That's why there are plenty of stately houses in Eire that the IRA didn't need to burn down. In fact its these people who supported a Gaelic cultural revival (not just linguistic) since they were often not terribly religious themselves. Rural people in the west counties might be more likely to already speak Gaelic, but also likely to be fervent Catholics.

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Postby brihaspati » 26 Nov 2012 02:08

Johann,

The adoption of romantic Irish nationalism by very large portions of the Anglo-Irish ruling class around the turn of the 20th century was critical to the establishment of the republic. Yeats and Erskine Childers are examples of Anglo-Irish members of the British establishment who became part of the Irish national project out of personal choice. That's why there are plenty of stately houses in Eire that the IRA didn't need to burn down. In fact its these people who supported a Gaelic cultural revival (not just linguistic) since they were often not terribly religious themselves. Rural people in the west counties might be more likely to already speak Gaelic, but also likely to be fervent Catholics.


Just because INC used popular memes in India to come to power seemingly expelling the "foreigners", did not change the "class" relations in rural India. :P You will be surpised at the level of hatred that exists at the "landed" or "olde mooney" sections in Eire. Religion has become a shield for the "nationalists". The three primary rebel counties have never forgiven the "collaborationists". The roots of the conflict that led to the assassination of Collins still exist - in spite of finding work or prosperity in UK. Think of the parallel case of "radicalization" or "excessive-nationalism" - more so in the more successful - in Indian immigrants in racist environs of the "west". UK society is still not that welcoming to the Irish.

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Postby vishvak » 26 Nov 2012 15:01

Irish President, the head of state of Ireland intervenes over the inquiry into the death of Indian dentist link
The inquiry.. must meet "the needs of the public's concern ... the need of the family and meet the need of the State"
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According to the Irish Times, government sources continued to insist that the HSE-commissioned inquiry announced this week, which is to be held in private, would go ahead as planned.


However family says hospital of first world country Ireland erased medical care requests from medical records(regardless of above?) link
the records provided to him do not include notes for Oct. 22, when the couple first requested the termination of her unviable pregnancy, and notes for the following day do not account for their second request.
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three of the seven panel members were associated with Galway. They were eventually replaced, and India Today also reported that a separate legal inquiry is being set up in accordance with Praveen Halappanavar’s call for a public investigation.
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Halappanavar told the newspaper. “I don’t have any faith in the HSE. I saw (the files) earlier this week. It was a blow and that was the reason why we never wanted the HSE inquiry.”
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It has perhaps becoming a sham inquiry, commissioned by HSE in first world country Ireland.

Overseas Indian Affairs Minister said the inquiry ordered by the Irish Government should be 'transparent and fair'
Ravi said it seemed that the doctors who are supposed to respect the medical ethics, had shown no concern to her life.

The question is why over many days.

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Postby Sachin » 30 Nov 2012 09:47

RamaY wrote:A new case in Norway.

I think this case may not get much sympathies when compared to the case in Ireland. In Ireland it was the medical ethics v/s religious beliefs which caused the loss of a valuable human life. Where as in the case of Norway, it is just that the law of the land is different. Norwegians themselves don't complain. In India, it may be a routine that a bit of scoling and a few whacks are not considered a big problem. Norway feels other wise, and the Norwegian citizens dont seem to have a problem with that as well.

So in this case I feel, it is upto to the folks in India (or the companies who send their employees to Norway) to get sensitised with the law of the land. Let us not hope that Norway (or any other country) would just accept what ever Indians feels it is okay to do. Then there would be no limit to the demands. And yes if now Indian techies (or who ever) says that they would not go to Norway, they have every right to say so.

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Postby vishvak » 30 Nov 2012 20:31

An insight into realpolitik within Oirope.
Umbrage in Catalonia
Since Catalonia represents a big chunk of the euro zone’s fourth-largest economy
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Under Spain’s constitution of 1978, Catalonia enjoys more self-government than almost any other corner of Europe. It runs its own schools, hospitals, police, prisons and cultural institutions. It lacks only tax-raising powers and the Ruritanian trappings of statehood, which nationalist politicians appear to be hungry for .. (doesn't say much of separation of church and state within Europe!!)
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It would not. An independent Catalonia would have more fiscal revenues, but it would also have a higher debt burden than Spain.(how so??) The argument that Catalans should not subsidise feckless Andalusians is a dangerous one: apply that more widely and the euro zone would fall apart.(meaning more feckless all around in Oirope that Catalona don't want to drag??)
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Roughly three-quarters of the next Catalan parliament is likely to vote for the right to decide. The constitution says only the Spanish parliament can approve a referendum—and it will not do so. (freedom is obviously within limits of nationhood)
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The Catalans’ complaints come down to two things (see article). First they feel that Mariano Rajoy’s conservative government in Madrid refuses to recognise that Spain is a plurinational and pluri-linguistic country. Second, they think that, set beside the other 16 regions, they pay too much.
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The neatest answer to these grievances would be for Spain formally to embrace federalism, with a federal senate and clear rules about who collects which taxes. Federalism would mean each region was equal, with the same rights and obligations. But it has been a dirty word in Spain since a failed federal government in 1873-74. A messier, but more feasible, alternative would be to accept that some regions—Catalonia, the Basque country and perhaps Galicia—should have more autonomy than the rest and be recognised as cultural nations within Spain. Doing this would require a national pact to revise the constitution. After the Catalan vote, Mr Rajoy would be wise to set that process in motion.

Noticeable part is hundreds of years of politics within Europe during Colonialism, progress with Industrialization & formation of nations while barbaric colonization of others, regardless of how intrinsic factors are blamed in India for lack of progress.

However there is another silent aspect in Europe of how Romas have been absent in progressing all the while European have progressed for last hundreds of years.

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Postby Rony » 02 Dec 2012 07:50

Tweets by Francois Gautier on Mittal row and French attitudes about India

In Paris & embarrassed t see the racial hatred against Mittal .Indians who buy French companies r strangled by French employmnt rules & laze.

heard that Aziz Premjji wanted t invest in France.But when he realized that he cud never fire anybody & that French work less,he backed out.

Was at a press lunch with Mr Ortiz, the French President's diplomatic adviser.A question on India evoked no interest from him or the journos.

France's interest in India is limited t Bollywood, castes & Hindu 'fundamentalists'.All coz the French Indianists {thats christophe jaffrelot] keep harping on these

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Postby g.sarkar » 02 Dec 2012 13:33

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zei ... 69402.html
11/26/2012
"Germany to Ban Sex with Animals
The German government plans to ban zoophilia -- sex with animals -- as part of an amendment to the country's animal protection law, but faces a backlash from the country's zoophile community, estimated to number over 100,000. Zoophilia was legalized in Germany in 1969 and animal protection groups have been lobbying for a ban in a campaign that has been fuelled by heated debate in Internet forums in recent years...."
I am not going to comment on this one.
Gautam

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Postby krisna » 20 Dec 2012 03:17

Bishops criticise Irish government abortion move
The Irish government has announced it will legislate for abortion in circumstances where the mother's life is at risk.

The move comes seven weeks after the death of Savita Halappanavar.

The four Catholic Archbishops of Ireland, including Cardinal Sean Brady, have criticised the decision.


The new package of measures will comply with the government's obligations under the European Convention of Human Rights.


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Postby Sachin » 20 Dec 2012 11:14

In the case of Italian Marines (shooting Kerala based fishermen at the sea).
Kerala court to rule if Italian Marines can go home
In this case:-
1. The Marines wants to spend a vacation at home, during X'Mas
2. Italian Govt. and her Ambassador says that they would gurantee that the Marines would be handed back after their vacation :roll:
3. Kerala Govt (through the public prosecutor) strongly argues that the Marines should NOT be sent home as the chances of them jumping bail is high. There is also a case registered in an Italian Military court for the same offence, and this can be used as an excuse to keep the marines in Italy. The PP also cites a previous case in which a foreign country backtracked on their earlier promises.
4. The Central Govt. opined that they find no harm in allowing the Marines to leave the country, and left it to the court to arrive at the decision (Classic Congie game of passing the buck; here to the judiciary).

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Postby rgosain » 20 Dec 2012 13:11

Sachin good series of points. To which I'd like to add:
1) Anderson of Union Carbide fame 1984/85
2) The fact that the defendants can invoke the European Human Rights act as soon as they land in Italy regardless of whatever the Italian Government claims will stymie any return
3) Recent attempts by India to extradite various terrorists including the Purilia mastermind from Europe have failed
4) It is unprecedented, in any jurisidiction, for a defendant facing charges of such enormity to be let out for Christmas
5) The Italian government is not a neutral party here, and have attached themselves to previous hearings since Feb 2012, when they have sought to short circuit and pervert the course of justice, thus they appear with unclean hands.
6) Let's not forget the families of the deceased who will never again spend Christmas with them
7) Their families can visit them for Christmas and celebrate mass in Kerala.

That's my rant over. India deserves all the crap that gets thrown at it, if they allow these two to escape.

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Postby chetak » 20 Dec 2012 14:11

Sachin wrote:In the case of Italian Marines (shooting Kerala based fishermen at the sea).
Kerala court to rule if Italian Marines can go home
In this case:-
1. The Marines wants to spend a vacation at home, during X'Mas
2. Italian Govt. and her Ambassador says that they would gurantee that the Marines would be handed back after their vacation :roll:
3. Kerala Govt (through the public prosecutor) strongly argues that the Marines should NOT be sent home as the chances of them jumping bail is high. There is also a case registered in an Italian Military court for the same offence, and this can be used as an excuse to keep the marines in Italy. The PP also cites a previous case in which a foreign country backtracked on their earlier promises.
4. The Central Govt. opined that they find no harm in allowing the Marines to leave the country, and left it to the court to arrive at the decision (Classic Congie game of passing the buck; here to the judiciary).



The central government will simply opine what it has been ordered to opine by the powers that be.

Any wonder that opine rhymes with supine?

The kerala court will opine as is standard for this case and as the families of the slain fishermen have already said "in the name of ..............!!!" :)

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Postby JE Menon » 20 Dec 2012 14:16

The court has opined. Marines can go home.

This presents a beautiful opportunity for the opposition, because govt opined first. Lets hope they have the sense to use it wisely, and most importantly, in the right way, to appeal to the maximum, not to those who are already sold!!!

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Postby Sachin » 20 Dec 2012 14:55

Kerala HC allows Italian naval guards to go home for Christmas
Okay. The court has allowed them to go. Only conditions:-
1. They should come back by Jan 10th
2. They need to give a bank gurantee of 6 crore rupees. How ever I do have a doubt whether any Indian Bank would be ready to give this gurantee. Because the marines jump bail or dont turn up, an Indian bank would lose 6 crores.
3. Movement details, addresses and telephone numbers of the marines have to be provided to the City Police Commissioner, Kochi. Dont know how much movement details would actually get shared.

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Postby rgosain » 20 Dec 2012 15:14

These guys aren't going to return (see my post above), and with both the EU and the USA harbouring criminals sought by India, a reasonable response would be to downgrade or completely halt diplomatic relations with both Italy and the Vatican, given its role in this matter and the ongoing anti-nuclear protests. India gains nothing from having relations with these two who are joined at the hip.

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Postby member_20292 » 20 Dec 2012 15:25

lets see what happens. But if i was High Court, I would not let them go.

Indians, generally, do not give their own interests too much importance.

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Postby Aditya_V » 20 Dec 2012 15:50

Sachin wrote:Kerala HC allows Italian naval guards to go home for Christmas
Okay. The court has allowed them to go. Only conditions:-
1. They should come back by Jan 10th
2. They need to give a bank gurantee of 6 crore rupees. How ever I do have a doubt whether any Indian Bank would be ready to give this gurantee. Because the marines jump bail or dont turn up, an Indian bank would lose 6 crores.
3. Movement details, addresses and telephone numbers of the marines have to be provided to the City Police Commissioner, Kochi. Dont know how much movement details would actually get shared.


If the Bank gives the guarantee based on a deposit from the Italian Govt, then its a good source of making easy revenue from the BG when encashed in the form of fees.

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Postby JE Menon » 20 Dec 2012 16:09

Correct. That is likely what will happen. Then the bg will be released by Italian govt as compensation to affected families. I won't be surprised if this or some variation of this theme has already been negotiated...

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Postby rgosain » 20 Dec 2012 16:25

I'd love to know what was in that sealed letter presented by the Italians to the court.

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Postby Sachin » 20 Dec 2012 21:04

JE Menon wrote:Then the bg will be released by Italian govt as compensation to affected families. I won't be surprised if this or some variation of this theme has already been negotiated...

This is exactly what I had in my mind. But I dont think Italian Govt. can directly distribute the surety to the relatives. The Rs.6 crore may get taken over by the court/police who can distribute it to the relatives of the dead people. Considering these very same people had tried to get the money and scuttle the case in court, they may easily jump up for this free money. And then the case can be closed saying that accused are absconding, or cannot be traced.

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Postby sum » 20 Dec 2012 21:06

^^ Banana republic redux!

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Postby rgosain » 20 Dec 2012 22:49

Can someone or organisation file a PIL or interim injunction on behalf of the fishing community to appeal this decision which is without precedent and sets a dangerous one?
Any lawyers here?

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Postby lakshmikanth » 21 Dec 2012 00:45

I think the good thing is we are not a banana republic anymore. In the Bhopal tragedy, we let the perpetrators sneak out without any political repercussions to the kings and fiefs.

Now they are atleast searching for a fig leaf to show the public that they are serious, in a case that is much smaller in magnitude than Bhopal. I am sure the backroom convo with the eyetalians would have gone something like this : "We can release your guys, but at least give us something to show to our constituency to prove that we are doing something about it".

That is a very small step above banana republic. Very small, but I consider it very significant small step in the right direction.

EDIT: before i get torn into shreds, let me clarify :) when the income level rises in India and becomes comparable to mid income countries, it will be very difficult for the families to accept a paltry sum of blood money to just shut up, because the loss of a productive individual would be seen as more as a huge personal loss for the family, instead of just a loss of bread winner. The personal loss part cannot be redressed by throwing money, and hence the politicians, kings, fiefs will have a tough time letting it slide. Also the scale of the economy would mean there is more leverage by our kings to squeeze eyetalian balls. Hence I see this as progression in the right direction onlee.

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Postby Sachin » 21 Dec 2012 10:12

Italian marines can go home for two weeks: High Court
..Justice P. Bhavadasan said that if the Union government felt that the undertaking given by the Italian Ambassador and Consul-General could be accepted, the bail conditions shall stand modified.
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They should also execute a bank guarantee for Rs. 6 crore in court and the Ambassador and the Consul-General should file affidavits to the effect that they would maintain surveillance of the marines during their travel to and stay in Italy and promise that they would be produced in court at or before the time specified by the High Court.
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If the Union government felt that the undertakings by the Italian diplomats were acceptable, it could decide whether permission could be granted and necessary documents provided for their travel {So the onus is on the Central Govt. to decide whether these undertakings are sufficient enough. The ball is now in the Central Govt.'s court}.
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Dismissing the State government’s contention that the undertaking from the Italian diplomats could not be accepted, the court said the instance of the failure of a French citizen involved in the French espionage case to return to India after going home could not be “stretched to thwart every subsequent such issues, and each case will have to be determined upon its own facts.”
{Dont know if this would open up a Pandora's box. Italian murder accused wants to go home for X'Mas, how about say Rapist Govindachami saying he now wants to goto TN, to celeberate Pongal?}

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PS: A vernacular news paper reported that a special air-plane is already at the Kochi Airport to fly the two marines. The trouble the Italians have taken in this case is really surprising. I dont think Indian Govt would do 5% of these efforts if our own folks were in trouble. Here, you have to give the devil its due.

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Postby JE Menon » 21 Dec 2012 11:29

Not really, if true. This is a clear case of local grandstanding in Italy also... A case of "rescuing our kin from the uncivilized"... If the soldiers were in, say French custody, they would have to hitch-hike home.

But if I were a murderer in Kerala, I would want to go home for Christmas too...

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Postby arun » 28 Dec 2012 07:41

X Posted from the Islamism thread.

kenop wrote:Some news from Germany
Police say an Indian student in Germany has been attacked and injured by suspected Islamic extremists who accosted him and demanded that he convert to Islam.

Police spokesman Frank Piontek said on Thursday that two attackers in the western German city of Bonn severely beat the 24-year-old and then slashed his tongue with a knife.

Police say the attackers walked up to the student in a city street late Monday and demanded that he convert to Islam then beat him up after he refused to do so.

The student, whose identity wasn't given in line with German privacy rules, was taken to a hospital for treatment. He was released a day later.

The Bonn police's department for politically motivated crimes is investigating.


The Der Spiegel article that was cited for the story of an Indian student being intimidated into converting to Mohammaddenism in Germany:

Student's Tongue Cut in Possible Islamist Attack

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Postby ArmenT » 29 Dec 2012 13:17

arun wrote:The Der Spiegel article that was cited for the story of an Indian student being intimidated into converting to Mohammaddenism in Germany:

Student's Tongue Cut in Possible Islamist Attack

Some unofficial German sources are now reporting that the assault was possibly committed by two Bakis.


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