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Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby ramana » 12 Sep 2016 21:44

Ghani has followed through and cut off TSP road access to Central Asia.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby Bheeshma » 12 Sep 2016 23:06

Good on him. India needs to speed up the India, Iran and Afghanistan corridor. Pakis will be reduced to NoKo status by end of this decade.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby sanjaykumar » 13 Sep 2016 03:18

Pakistan exported $50 million dollars to Central Asian Republics in 2010.


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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby ramana » 13 Sep 2016 20:26

0X-posting relevant articles. Will add analyses later as to what these mean to Baluchistan and India....

US still sees a role for TSP in checkmating India. Old British plan still adhered to despite the Brits themselves going to abandon it as #BREXIT shows.

g.sarkar wrote:http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/us-says-does-not-support-independence-for-balochistan/1/763012.html
US says does not support independence for Balochistan
"The government policy is that we support the territorial integrity of Pakistan and we do not support independence for Balochistan," State Department Spokesman John Kirby told reporters at his daily news conference yesterday.
Posted by Mriganka Sen
Washington, September 13, 2016 | UPDATED 10:36 IST
The US respects the unity and territorial integrity of Pakistan and does not support independence for Balochistan, a state department official has said.
"The government policy is that we support the territorial integrity of Pakistan and we do not support independence for Balochistan," State Department Spokesman John Kirby told reporters at his daily news conference yesterday.......
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PRC has misgivings....
Peregrine wrote:China, Pakistan must be ready for setbacks to economic corridor: Chinese daily

BEIJING: The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) is unlikely to be "plain sailing" for both countries and they should brace themselves for "potential setbacks", a Chinese daily said on Tuesday.

An op-ed in the state backed Global Times said the rising cost of protecting Chinese workers on the $46 billion project in Pakistan was "becoming (a) big problem in efficiently pushing forward the projects".

The state-run daily also suggested that China should shift its focus from the region to Southeast Asia as "it would be unwise to put all its eggs in one basket".

The write-up came in the wake of Indian media reports saying some 15,000 Pakistani soldiers were guarding about 7,000 Chinese working on the CPEC in the face of growing number of attacks on the project.

"The CPEC has long been seen as symbolic of Sino-Pakistan economic cooperation. It is unlikely that China will change its supportive attitude on the CPEC in the short term, but the increasing cost of security is becoming a big problem in efficiently pushing forward the projects," the Times said.

The proposed CPEC, which will connect China's largest province Xinjiang with Pakistan's Gwadar port in Balochistan, is key to Beijing's ambitious One Road One Belt project.

The CPEC passes through Gilgit-Baltistan, Pakistani Kashmir -- claimed by India -- and Balochistan, home to a long-running insurgency.

"It is unlikely to be plain sailing for China and Pakistan in their attempts to push forward the CPEC due to challenges such as a complex regional environment, and people in the two countries should be prepared for potential setbacks," the daily said.

It warned that Beijing and Islamabad should be ready to cope [b]"ethnic conflicts and confrontations that may arise in restive Balochistan.[/b]

"This does not mean that China should give up on the idea of the CPEC because of the present challenges. However, China may not want to put too much focus on the region.

"At the very least, it would be unwise to put all its eggs in one basket."

The daily, run by the ruling Communist Party, suggested that Beijing should think beyond Pakistan in terms of economic cooperation -- its all-weather ally in South Asia.

[b]"Beijing should consider giving more attention to its economic cooperation with Southeast Asian countries.[/b]

"The CPEC has long been seen as a flagship project in China's Belt and Road initiative, but the initiative's strategic focus may need to shift gradually toward Southeast Asia, where there is a wide infrastructure funding gap but a relatively stable regional environment that will enable China to efficiently push forward ventures under the Belt and Road initiative.

"China may need to start taking more gradual and steady steps in the CPEC, but at the same time the country should be more aggressive in seeking cooperation with various Southeast Asian countries, Vietnam included.

"Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc is currently on a six-day visit to China. Hopefully, the two countries will be able to put aside disputes that arose over the South China Sea and focus on promoting economic development.
"In past years, economic ties between China and Vietnam have maintained good moment," it added.
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Braudel says when ever India withdraws from SE Asia, China rushes in. SO China is offering to get out of Baluchistan and leave SE Asia to themselves.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby schinnas » 13 Sep 2016 21:32

ramana wrote:
US still sees a role for TSP in checkmating India. Old British plan still adhered to despite the Brits themselves going to abandon it as #BREXIT shows.

.....

Braudel says when ever India withdraws from SE Asia, China rushes in. SO China is offering to get out of Baluchistan and leave SE Asia to themselves.


Ramanaji, US at present cannot publicly state that they do not support territorial integrity of Pukistan. They still have dependence on Pukiland given the land-locked nature of Afghanistan. Until Iran - US relations normalize (which is unlikely given the perennial enmity between Israel and Iran) and Chabahar port becomes a reliable source for connectivity to Afghanistan, US will not fully antagonize Pukistan. They will be able to provide only covert support for an independent Baluchistan. India needs at least one UNSC veto power nation to toe its line regarding Baluchistan unflinchingly. If US does not do it, not sure who else would be ready to antagonize Cheen and vigorously support an independent Baluchistan in UNSC whenever the need arises.

After talking to scores of less sophisticated (in the sense that they don't hide their emotions) Chinese in US, I have come to the understanding that Chinese have an civilizational inferiority complex w.r.to Whites and Japanese and have a civilizational superiority complex w.r.to Philippines, Indonesians, Thais, Malays and Vietnamese. Cheen would want to win over one or two friends in SE Asia and East Asia. At present they have only N.Korea, which isn't saying much, but it enables them needle Japan and US.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby SaiK » 14 Sep 2016 03:49

@amnesty must look into #Baluchistan genocide rather some chillies?
Amnesty warns against use of PAVA shells

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/570 ... -pava.html

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby g.sarkar » 14 Sep 2016 08:21

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 320828.cms
Baloch activists stage protest at UN headquarters in New York
TNN | Sep 14, 2016, 06.19 AM IST
NEW DELHI: Baloch activists on Wednesday gathered outside the United Nations headquarters in New York City, to protest against what they consider to be Pakistan's illegal occupation of Balochistan. This move comes less than a month after Prime Minister Narendra Modi raised the Balochistan issue in his widely viewed Independence Day speech.
"Balochistan is not Pakistan," and "Stop human rights violations in Balochistan," were two of the messages displayed on banners during the protest. Participation in the event was open to all pro-Baloch freedom activists, and other human rights activists, and TOI learned that a few Indian human right activists who weren't affiliated with any particular organization took part......
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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby g.sarkar » 14 Sep 2016 08:24

schinnas wrote:Ramanaji, US at present cannot publicly state that they do not support territorial integrity of Pukistan. They still have dependence on Pukiland given the land-locked nature of Afghanistan. Until Iran - US relations normalize (which is unlikely given the perennial enmity between Israel and Iran) and Chabahar port becomes a reliable source for connectivity to Afghanistan, US will not fully antagonize Pukistan. They will be able to provide only covert support for an independent Baluchistan.

As the saying goes: When 16 maunds of oil is burnt in lamps, then Radha will dance. In the meantime India will have to toe the line and wait. It is always do as we tell you, not as we do. China was encouraged to check Russia, India for China and Pakistan for India. Above all is the Sher Khan ruler of all.
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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby Raja Ram » 14 Sep 2016 11:17

Some interesting thoughts in the morning!

1. So the Modi government starting of a new power game with Balochistan has the potential to change some settled dynamics and force some new dynamics.

2. Post the cold war, the US decidedly adopted a bide, wait and watch position with Russia while putting in motion a series of wide ranging steps to move a cluster of powers to replace the position of Soviet Union. Powers that can now work in tandem with the US in maintaining a Pax Americana with the US as the first amongst equals and the final arbiter.

3. China lobby in the US is dominated by Sinologist. Now, unlike India, the Chinese had fiercely guarded the interpretation of their culture and language with the final authority over such things resting solely in their hands. This helped them build a network of Sinologist who as a rule do not question or challenge the Chinese position in the world as per the Chinese World view>

4. The US wanted to accommodate a China that is controlled by trade, investments and kept in check by maintaining a technology edge and a coalition. In return, it promised the Chinese a much wider sphere of influence in South Asia and Central Asia. In ASEAN and APEC it would be integrated where US and allies can keep a check.

5. Tiananmen Square Massacre put a halt to the process as Chinese hardline reacted to maintain their hold, but the engagement resumed. Under Billy Boy, it culminated into an almost formal position of US and China declaring themselves as the final authority in the South Asian Region.

6. Part of the reason for Buddha to smile the second time, was also this positioning which ABV authorised as a way to cut the newly forming guardian knot to contain India.

7. India was sanctioned, we took certain steps to break these attempts to Contain, Roll Back and Eliminate and the US also opened a strategic dialogue to ascertain what India wanted.

8. It is important here to pause and reflect. Nations, even those with conflicting objectives have to work out a way of dealing with each other. The US was doing this on two fronts - one with India and the other with China. It was also trying to harmonise the objectives of the three powers so that there is a sort of arrangement which would put the US as the lynchpin and final arbiter. Obviously the vast difference in capabilities between the US and India as well as China was something that needed to be protected at all costs by the US.

8. By now it is evident, that one of the primary US foreign policy objectives was to slot India into a third rung of global powers that will work in concert with the US and whose economic and other ambitions can be reached within the control of the US.

9. It did not however stop the various initiatives to stop the rise of nationalist thought in India that is based purely on Indic systems and values. The advent of UPA and the subsequent UPA2 where major achievements. In this the US worked closely with the Chinese. In the world of real politik it is very much in line to work with your adversary against another adversary as long there was synergy and benefit in such endeavours.

10. The sustenance of Pakistan and its role was such a culmination of mutual interests of the sponsors. Of course, the first and foremost in the Common Minimum Programme for all of them was and is containment of the rise of India. It was and is the single most important point in that agenda.

11. So on one hand you have a careful dance of a pack of powers not friendly to each other working together and at the same time trying to control the others. India is as much a party to this careful tandav.

12. Viewed in this light, each of the powers advance their agenda and shape things as and when windows of opportunities present themselves. India has always been more on the reactive side and has often let these windows go by. The more enterprising of powers will also try and create scenarios that will lead to newer opportunities to get to their objectives.

13. For the first time in many years, India has launched a gambit in the name of Balochistan. Although it can be argued, that this too is a reaction to events, it is a departure in the sense that we have adopted this as part of the new paradigm of Offensive Defence as articulated by Doval.

14. In his latest talk on Nation Building in Pune, he had mentioned three pre-requisites for Offensive Defence – a clear leadership, which NaMo is providing, favourable international context – which is present now and capabilities to execute – which in his assessment is there now.

15. It is in this context, that the US and Chinese reactions to Balochistan is taking place. In my view, we have to keep this larger picture in mind. It is the chessboard where an opening gambit has been played by India, which is forcing some settled equations to opened for re-examination by the sponsors. Pakistan is nothing but a theatre where this will be executed.

16. It is Onam time, like the great Bali Chakravarthy of yore, was challenged in his quest for complete supremacy by a “little” Vamana, the modern Bali’s are being engaged by a “little” Vamana. As you all enjoy Onam Sadaya, some more rambles to go with the sumptuous feast. May Lord Narayana and Bali Chakravarthy bless us all!

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby Mollick.R » 16 Sep 2016 21:06

X-Post from STFUP Dhaaga

#AccheyDin for Baluchi People

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/mobile-app-website-for-airs-baluchi-service-launched/articleshow/54366348.cms?prtpage=1

NEW DELHI: Baluchi-speaking people in the Af-Pak region and other parts of the world can now tune into AIR broadcast in the language through computers and mobile phones as India's public broadcaster today launched multimedia webpage and mobile app of the service.


Prasar Bharati officials said the mobile app and the webpage were just "value addition" as Baluchi service of the AIR has been in existence since 1974.


"As the world's largest democracy, we have the responsibility to disseminate news and information across the world which is factual and correct," he said. Asked if AIR's services could face obstruction in Pakistan given the prevailing situation, AIR DG F Shehryar said the radio service is on the short-wave which cannot be blocked. Responding to queries, Shehryar said that while AIR does not aim at countering any kind of propaganda, it will challenge falsehoods by presenting the correct information. :D

"But AIR has a lot of goodwill among Baluchi people, who have an emotional attachment and consider it an authentic source of information," he said.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby Prem » 17 Sep 2016 02:16

http://qz.com/782147/narendra-modis-mes ... yptr=yahoo
Balochistan is now officially an arrow in India’s quiver against Pakistan

Pakistan has a brutal human rights history in that province, which borders Afghanistan and Iran. Balochis have been demanding independence for decades and so far thousands have gone missing, mostly following Pakistan’s military interventions.India, from now on, will talk for the Balochis.Two months later, India has made its intentions loud and clear. “New Delhi appears to have decided that the only way to deal with Islamabad is to play offence, not defence,” Sadanand Dhume, a resident fellow at the Washington DC-based American Enterprise Institute (AEI), said. “By raising the Balochistan question, India is signalling that it no longer believes that talks with Pakistan can be productive at this point.”For decades, Pakistan has accused India of meddling in the region and its separatist insurgency. In fact, in February 2014, just three months before he was appointed India’s national security advisor, Ajit Doval tacitly acknowledged this. “You do one more Mumbai, you lose Balochistan,” he said. Doval was referring to Pakistan’s involvement in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, which killed over 172 people and injured over 300.
My sense is that India wants to push back against this narrative of Indian meddling by centering attention on what the Pakistanis themselves have done there (Balochistan),” Michael Kugelman, a senior associate for south and southeast Asia at the Washington DC-based Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars, said.In any case, the Balochistan issue may not really need an Indian role to simmer. Pakistan has done enough to earn the wrath of generations of Balochis.Since British India’s partition in 1947, there have been five uprisings in Balochistan against the state of Pakistan. They began right after the Pakistani army moved in to enforce Balochistan’s accession in 1948. The region had wanted to remain independent and Pakistan’s founder, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, even promised this to the monarch of Balochistan, Mir Sir Ahmad Yar Khan Ahmedzai. Jinnah, however, backed out and asked his army to annexe the province.Ever since, the Pakistani state has brutally suppressed the political aspirations of the Balochis.“Thousands are disappearing due to Pakistan’s use of the military against its own people. The fact is, Balochistan is destabilising the region and this instability is spreading across borders. Hence, India needs to act in the larger interest of the region,” G Parthasarathy, a former Indian high commissioner to Pakistan, said.
In August, after Modi first mentioned Balochistan, UK-based Baloch activists came out in his support. They had finally got some international attention.Through frequent mentions of human rights violations in Balochistan, India will now look to isolate Pakistan globally. “The current diplomatic offensive signals a change towards a more cost-effective strategy, directed at isolating Pakistan internationally instead of becoming entangled in another proxy conflict,” Constantino Xavier, an associate at Carnegie Endowment for International Peace India, said. “Especially in the US, as Obama prepares to leave, the growing sense is that Pakistan has become more of an obstacle than a facilitator to find a settlement in Afghanistan.”The Balochi activists hailing Modi’s statement in August were seen protesting outside the embassy of China, Pakistan’s all-weather friend, in the UK. They were marking their opposition to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), a collection of projects funded by China to improve infrastructure in Pakistan. The CPEC passes through Balochistan.“At a strategic level, India also recognises that by internationalising the Balochistan issue it is increasing the costs for the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor,” said Xavier. For all of Pakistan’s brutality there, the US has made it clear that it doesn’t support Balochistan’s independence.More importantly, even Iran, which shares the border with Balochistan, isn’t likely back the idea, because that would mean unrest within Iran which has a sizeable ethnic Baloch population.hat happens to relations now?Although Pakistan hasn’t responded to India’s fresh salvos, it isn’t difficult to imagine what line it could take.“It (Pakistan) will deny the allegations and lay the blame on India for Balochistan’s problems. Denying guilt and externalising blame is something Pakistan often does, and we’ll see more of it here,” said Kugelman.For one, the relationship between the two countries has deteriorated since early this year. And India may not be keen on reviving talks at the moment.Without any mention of Balochistan for more than 60 years, talks between India and Pakistan have gone nowhere,” Madhav Nalapat, the UNESCO Peace Chair at the department of geopolitics and international relations at Manipal University, said. “Modi has made it clear that no country whose government is hostile to India can enjoy India’s indulgence.”

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby g.sarkar » 17 Sep 2016 02:34

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 369212.cms
If I ever get a chance to move to India, I definitely will: Baloch leader Brahumdagh Bugti
Ankita Rajeshwari | Updated: Sep 16, 2016, 11.02 PM IST
NEW DELHI: Amid media reports doing the rounds that Baloch leader Brahumdagh Bugti is likely to get Indian citizenship, Bugti has made it sufficiently clear that he would very much like to move to India.
"If I ever get a chance to move to India, I will definitely go there for my people," news agency ANI quoted Brahumdagh Bugti as saying. "We haven't done anything on asylum issue yet, we have a meeting with Central Committee of Baloch Republican Party (BRP) on September 19 to take further decision," he added. Brahumdagh Bugti is Nawaz Akbar Khan Bugti's grandson Brahamdagh Bugti, who was killed during a controversial military operation in Kohlu in 2006. Brahumdagh is currently living in self-exile in Switzerland. The Baloch leader fled his hometown Dera Bugti in Balochistan in 2006 following the assassination of his grandfather Akbar Bugti. He lived in Afghanistan as a state guest, first, and was then flown from there to Switzerland in October 2010. He has been living there ever since, in political asylum, with his family.....
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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby jivana » 17 Sep 2016 20:45

Hamid Mir speaks truth in Balochistan Conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx2_CthBckk


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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby Amoghvarsha » 18 Sep 2016 04:14

http://nation.com.pk/blogs/05-Dec-2015/ ... erspective

How Pakistan treacherously annexed the sovereign state of Balochistan.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby SaiK » 18 Sep 2016 06:27

With the help of Afghanistan, Baluchistan should have a rebel support from NWFP shenanigans

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Postby pankajs » 21 Sep 2016 03:14

https://twitter.com/ANI_news/status/777797849492754432
ANI ‏@ANI_news Sep 19

FLASH: Baloch Republican Party decides to file criminal cases against Pakistani army generals at International criminal courts.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby SwamyG » 21 Sep 2016 08:32

Sorry for this naive question, when Pakistan occupied Balocistan, why did India not intervene? Is it because of our dear old Nehru chacha?

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby SwamyG » 21 Sep 2016 08:39

Who is the bald Baloch gentleman from Washington that appears on Arnab's show?

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby deejay » 21 Sep 2016 09:59

SwamyG wrote:Who is the bald Baloch gentleman from Washington that appears on Arnab's show?


Ahmar Mustikhan

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby RoyG » 21 Sep 2016 10:14

Hes an openly gay atheist baloch.

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Postby Yagnasri » 21 Sep 2016 10:25

RoyG wrote:Hes an openly gay atheist baloch.


We may not know that sir. Did he say something like that?

My understanding was that the Baloch are a feudal society. Much more than the normal feudal pakjabis. If that is the case, we have to "manage" the feudal lords with money and dreams of greater powers in an independent nation.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby g.sarkar » 23 Sep 2016 18:09

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1160923/j ... -Ug-rUrKM8
Bugti asylum fate in PM hands
Imran Ahmed Siddiqui
New Delhi, Sept. 22: Prime Minister Narendra Modi will take the final call on exiled Baloch leader Brahumdagh Bugti's application for political asylum in India, Union home ministry sources said.
The foreign ministry today forwarded Bugti's application seeking "an Indian card and travel papers" to the home ministry, a senior official said. "We are examining it but the final decision lies with the Prime Minister."
The Dalai Lama was the last person to be granted political asylum in India - in 1959 when Jawaharlal Nehru was Prime Minister.
"We have asked our undersecretaries to dig out the 1959 files: we need to understand the complex procedure of granting asylums," an official said. He said India lacked a comprehensive asylum policy and took decisions case by case. Congress MP Shashi Tharoor had proposed an asylum policy in the form of a private member's bill last year but it is yet to be taken up.
Some officials said New Delhi would have to tread cautiously because granting asylum to Bugti could have serious geopolitical implications, allowing Pakistan to accuse India of sponsoring a secessionist movement in Balochistan.......
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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby pankajs » 23 Sep 2016 18:25

Indian news media has often jumped the gun so caution on this item

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/ind ... 32775.html
India's Balochistan push works, European Parliament warns Pakistan of sanctions over atrocities on Balochi people
Geneva: Prime Minister Narendra Modi's efforts to corner Pakistan over Balochistan issue seems to be yielding positive outcome.

In a major development, Ryszard Czarnecki, the vice president of the European Parliament on Friday had some strong words for Pakistan on the Balochistan issue.

While paying tribute to those killed in Balochistan, Czarnecki warned Islamabad of imposing economic and political sanctions on Pakistan, if it fails to stop atrocities on Baloch people.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby Philip » 23 Sep 2016 18:27

F*ck Pak's accusations! Instead of providing just asylum,we should provide the Baluchis with the infrastructure for a "govt-in-exile" and take it to the UN and world community. The liberation of Baluchistan is a long term project which should start right away.So should plans for the liberation of POK be dusted off.There should be no rest for the wicked,Pak,its rulers and mil elite should never have a good night's sleep.It is only the eunuchs in the MEA who are forever cautious."Fortune favours the bold".Modiji please remember that!

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Postby anupmisra » 23 Sep 2016 22:15

Philip wrote:F*ck Pak's accusations! Instead of providing just asylum,we should provide the Baluchis with the infrastructure for a "govt-in-exile" and take it to the UN and world community. The liberation of Baluchistan is a long term project which should start right away.So should plans for the liberation of POK be dusted off.There should be no rest for the wicked,Pak,its rulers and mil elite should never have a good night's sleep.It is only the eunuchs in the MEA who are forever cautious."Fortune favours the bold".Modiji please remember that!


Martial.law!!

Giving asylum to Bugti will open the flood gates to other applicants belonging to Balochistan, Sindh and PoK/Baltistan/Gilgit, KPK, MQM...even Mushy may want one.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby sanjaykumar » 23 Sep 2016 22:39

Of course Bugti won't be granted Indian papers.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby zoverian » 23 Sep 2016 22:41

@ sanjay thats interesting why did you say that...

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Postby rsingh » 23 Sep 2016 22:46

Would love if kamandu Mush takes decision based upon tactical (kabhi court kabhi jail) and strategical (kabh Islo kabhi Dubai) considerations and apply for Indian Citizenship to at the centre of mele. Eventually marring his dream girl (Barkha)and passing time in NDTV studios :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: ;
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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby rsingh » 23 Sep 2016 22:50

sanjaykumar wrote:Of course Bugti won't be granted Indian papers.


Mon Ami, Bugti got green light from GOI after negotiations and that is why he is applying.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby schinnas » 23 Sep 2016 22:54

Agreed. Asylum to Bugti is just a formality now. India similarly needs other influential political dissidents get asylum status in India with a core group of supporters so that they can effectively fight for natural justice for their people.

Setting up a shadow government for Baluchistan would naturally happen over a period of several months and would be an effort done by Bugti and his people.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby Rampy » 23 Sep 2016 23:01

I somehow feel we should not give asylum to bugti, not sure his value. We should instead support Allah Nawaz in fighting paki mardani out of Baluch

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby Prem » 23 Sep 2016 23:22

GOI have lined up few Desh to recognize Baluchistan Government in Exile under Bugti. Soon this government will be able to sign treaties on behalf of free Baluchistan.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby schinnas » 23 Sep 2016 23:23

What stops india from giving asylum to both? Bugti is a done deal. No point discussing it or second guessing it. India may not show undue haste in accepting his application for obvious reasons.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby anupmisra » 24 Sep 2016 00:07

schinnas wrote:What stops india from giving asylum to both? Bugti is a done deal. No point discussing it or second guessing it. India may not show undue haste in accepting his application for obvious reasons.


At this critical stage of the shell game, showing haste will be inadvertently admitting that it was all "pre-arranged" (which is as it should be). GOI should take its time (but not too much time), follow the legal and political protocol enshrined in the law and give Bugti and other Baloch activists the right to safe residence in India (not citizenship) and the right to form a government-in-exile.

If this is done the right way, it will embolden Sindhis and other secessionists in bakiland to follow suit. Al bakistan will be reduced to Al pakjab and surrounding hilly area like Mirpur.

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby ramana » 24 Sep 2016 00:17

Rampy wrote:I somehow feel we should not give asylum to bugti, not sure his value. We should instead support Allah Nawaz in fighting paki mardani out of Baluch



Bugti has name recognition among many Baloch resistance groups. About seven (7). Some cant stand each other.

I have been arguing for a United Baloch Council to be formed.

Why do you say Allah Nawaz and which group?

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby Prem » 24 Sep 2016 04:34

Just Like Paki recognize Talibans, Afghanistan will recognize Baluchi Sarkar in exile?

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby Karthik S » 25 Sep 2016 06:52

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new ... P5LpN.html

Pakis to approach Interpol to extradite Brahamdagh Bugti. If interpol issues such order, can India still give asylum to him?

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Re: Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide

Postby VKumar » 25 Sep 2016 20:31

what about Dawood Ibrahim? Hafeez Syed and sundry other pakis? Interpol has issued notices about these.

Bugti is not a criminal but a political asylum seeker.


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