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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby ramana » 01 Jul 2017 03:18

Philip, I think the US got deep intelligence on Indian military and political weakness during the short liaison mission in aftermath of 1962 Chinise war. This went as input to Pal planning for 1965.

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby Schmidt » 01 Jul 2017 10:07

Nice article on Indo Iranian ties

https://swarajyamag.com/world/reality-c ... ional-ties

Advocates India adopting a pragmatic and hard nosed approach rather than through any rose tinted glasses invoking some nonsensical shared heritage

If at all we did have some commonalities that was millennia ago

Now they are as rabid an Islamic country as another , who have never really stood for us either

They are also untrustworthy as a business partner

When they suffer from sanctions they give us oil field exploration rights and talk up Chabahar Port , but when the sanction ease off they go back on their agreements

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby Satya_anveshi » 04 Aug 2017 09:42

Xposting from Politics thread:

Satya_anveshi wrote:MUST WATCH!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93dswlYnTvk


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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby VinodTK » 04 Aug 2017 18:32

^^^^ Very good show by SS

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby chola » 04 Aug 2017 18:51

Schmidt wrote:Nice article on Indo Iranian ties

https://swarajyamag.com/world/reality-c ... ional-ties

Advocates India adopting a pragmatic and hard nosed approach rather than through any rose tinted glasses invoking some nonsensical shared heritage

If at all we did have some commonalities that was millennia ago

Now they are as rabid an Islamic country as another , who have never really stood for us either

They are also untrustworthy as a business partner

When they suffer from sanctions they give us oil field exploration rights and talk up Chabahar Port , but when the sanction ease off they go back on their agreements


They are what they are. Mooslem fanatics. About time we wash ourselves of these idiotic "ties" that are nothing but some romantic notions of shared culture. Whatever that was good was subsumed a 1000 years ago under the tide of Islam.

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby RoyG » 04 Aug 2017 18:58

chola wrote:
Schmidt wrote:Nice article on Indo Iranian ties

https://swarajyamag.com/world/reality-c ... ional-ties

Advocates India adopting a pragmatic and hard nosed approach rather than through any rose tinted glasses invoking some nonsensical shared heritage

If at all we did have some commonalities that was millennia ago

Now they are as rabid an Islamic country as another , who have never really stood for us either

They are also untrustworthy as a business partner

When they suffer from sanctions they give us oil field exploration rights and talk up Chabahar Port , but when the sanction ease off they go back on their agreements


They are what they are. Mooslem fanatics. About time we wash ourselves of these idiotic "ties" that are nothing but some romantic notions of shared culture. Whatever that was good was subsumed a 1000 years ago under the tide of Islam.


With large swaths of Iraq and Syria falling under their control, they will muscle into Afghanistan and Pakistan as well.

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby arun » 13 Aug 2017 09:13

X Posted from the “India-US relations: News and Discussions IV” thread.

Excerpt from US State Department’s Daily Press Briefing of August 10:

Heather Nauert
Spokesperson
Department Press Briefing
Washington, DC
August 10, 2017 ……………………..

QUESTION: Afghanistan?

MS NAUERT: Okay, last question. Afghanistan. Hi.

QUESTION: What’s your stand on Senator McCain’s Afghan strategy which he unveiled this morning? Have you seen this?

MS NAUERT: Mm-hmm. So I’m certainly aware of Senator McCain’s proposal. By the way, it was great to see Senator McCain back here in Washington just a few weeks ago, a very strong and tough man. And as someone whose own father experienced the same illness that he had, I was really proud to see him walk back into Washington.

That personal note aside, let me just say the Afghan review policy, which I know a lot of people are very curious about, is still under way. There have been a lot of conversations and negotiations with the President’s national security team. Of course, that includes Secretary Tillerson as part of that. We are looking at this as not just a solution to Afghanistan, but also a broader concern that incorporates India and Pakistan as well as a regional solution. We just don’t have that plan. And by the way, the White House will roll out that plan, but we just don’t have that done just yet. It’s still under review, okay?


If this “broader concern that incorporates India” involves doing an Equal=Equal with the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic by way of allaying their paranoia and/or limiting our role Afghnaistan, the US should be told to FO. Anyway as this is still “under review”, wait and watch.

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby arun » 16 Aug 2017 14:33

X Posted from the India-US relations: News and Discussions IV thread.

Prime Minister Modi thanked President Trump for his strong leadership uniting the world against the North Korean menace.


If true that this is indeed what our Prime Minister Narendra Modi said, I am truly disgusted at this abject grovelling our Prime Minister. I say that as North Korea is a minor direct security threat in comparison to the menance of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Peoples Republic of China etc., as at worst North Korea represents a menace only from the limited standpoint of proliferating missile technology to the Islamic Republic. If on the other hand this is a bit of Self Aggandisement by Donald Trump then India must officially deny.

Bollocks to any “Half Wit Saudi Princes”, “It's in our national interest to flatter them” type arguents that were trotted out in the Hindustan Times article posted by me on this same page of this thread (Clicky)


Readout of President Donald J. Trump’s Call with Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby arun » 18 Aug 2017 11:53

X posted from the India-US relations: News and Discussions IV thread.

Excerpts from August 17 joint press conference held by US and Japan Defense and Foreign Affairs officials dealing with India.

US Secretary of State, Rex W Tillerson:

We will also cooperate to advance trilateral and multilateral security and defense cooperation with other partners in the region, notably the Republic of Korea, Australia, India, and other southeast Asian countries.


Foreign Minister of Japan, Taro Kono:

ROK, Australia, India, and Southeast Asian countries – we will promote more than ever before cooperation and security and defense.


There was no India specific remark made by US Secretary of Defense Gen. James Mattis (Retd.) or for that matter by Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera who were also present.

Excerpts from the US State Department website at the below weblink:

Remarks With Secretary of Defense James Mattis, Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Kono, and Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera at a Press Availability

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby Philip » 18 Aug 2017 13:28

Former NSA MKN.Politely saying what we on BRF have been saying for aeons!

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp ... 513055.ece
Redrawing the arc of influence
M.K. Narayanan AUGUST 18, 2017 00:00 IST

Indian diplomacy needs to display higher levels of sophistication for New Delhi to play a global role

Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s schedule of foreign visits has been extremely impressive, and he has managed to inject a degree of dynamism into a system accustomed to a more leisurely pace. Estimating outcomes from these visits is, however, more difficult.

Taking the two most recent visits, for example, one can easily see the contrast in outcomes. The U.S. visit was a carefully calibrated one producing few surprises, despite the U.S. President having a reputation of being highly unpredictable. For his part, the Prime Minister charted a time-tested course, concentrating mainly on counter-terrorism and the defence security partnership, avoiding contentious trade-related issues. The naming of the Hizbul Mujahedeen chief as a “specially designated global terrorist” and a “new consultation mechanism on domestic and international terrorist designations listing proposals” were the high points of the counter-terrorism agenda. Reiteration of India’s position as a major defence partner and confirmation of the sale of the Guardian Unmanned Aerial System to India, reflected the deepening security and defence cooperation.

In concrete terms, not much else took place during the visit, despite an oblique reference in the joint statement to China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) and reiteration of support for “freedom of navigation” in the Indo-Pacific. What was most obvious was the U.S. tilt towards transactional rather than strategic aspects.

A clear de-hyphenation

In the case of Israel, this being the first ever visit by an Indian Prime Minister to that country, the euphoria of the standalone visit, de-hyphenating Israel from Palestine, was understandable. It also produced better dividends, including elevation of the India-Israel relationship to the level of a ‘strategic partnership’. Israel achieved a major propaganda scoop by getting the Indian Prime Minister to visit the memorial of Theodor Herzl, founding father of the Zionist movement.

The main focus of the visit was on defence cooperation, joint development of defence products and transfer of technology. Most of the agreements signed related to transfer of technology and innovative technology-related items and India expects to benefit substantially, considering that Israeli export rules are far more flexible than those of the U.S.

Both countries also expressed a strong commitment to combat terror. The reality, however, is that when the two countries speak of terrorism, they speak of very different things. Iran and Hezbollah are the main targets for Israel, which has little interest in the Afghan Taliban or Pakistan’s Lashkar-e-Taiba. For India, it is the latter that matters.

The euphoria of the visit cannot, however, conceal China’s importance for Israel. China is a far bigger investor and trading partner of Israel than India. On this occasion, India and Israel decided to set up a $40 million Innovation Fund to allow Indian and Israeli enterprises to develop innovative technologies and products for commercial applications, but it is clearly dwarfed by the Israel-China comprehensive innovation partnership which has an outlay of $300 million. India and Israel also have differences over China’s BRI: Israel is eager to participate in it, unlike India, and possibly views this as an opportunity to develop a project parallel to the Suez Canal.

It’s the neighbours

Two countries where India’s diplomacy, despite the impetus given to it, is currently facing heavy odds are China and Pakistan. China in Asia is already exercising some of the political and economic leverages that the U.S. previously possessed. China has a significant presence in East and Southeast Asia, is steadily enlarging its presence in South Asia, and is also beginning to expand into West Asia. For instance, China’s influence in Iran today appears to be at an all-time high, whereas India’s influence seems to be diminishing.

India has, however, refused to be inveigled by China’s blandishments, including the BRI. Nor has it flinched from standing up to Chinese ‘bullying’, as in the recent instance of the Doklam plateau in Bhutan. Few other countries in Asia are, however, willing or in a position to tangle with China. A divided ASEAN again has provided China with an opportunity to demonstrate its economic and military muscle. Most countries in the region also demonstrate a desire to join China-based initiatives. Even in South Asia, despite India’s commanding presence, China has been successful in winning quite a few friends among India’s neighbours such as Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka and the Maldives.

*(Here is where our apthetic MEA dropped the ball,not once or twice,but umpteen times.We have to regain what was lost usigng every means in the book,India's survival as asovereign [power depends upon control over our immediate neighbour's relations with our mortal enemies.)

In the case of Pakistan, the implosion of the state arising from its internal stresses and problems, together with the virtual standoff between India and Pakistan (involving a total cessation of talks or any kind of worthwhile contacts), has enabled the Pakistani Deep State to further entrench itself. India has been left with few options and this is leading to a diplomatic gridlock which does not augur well for India.

As Pakistan becomes still more deeply mired in problems, its dependence on China is growing. This is contributing to a strategic imbalance in the South Asian region. It is a moot point whether India and Indian diplomacy can do something to rectify matters in this context, but for the present it confronts Indian diplomacy with one more serious dilemma.

Notwithstanding India’s efforts, the diplomatic scene vis-à-vis Russia also could be better. Russia is undergoing a strategic resurgence of sorts, sustained in good measure by the close relations recently established with China. Buoyed by developments in the Ukraine and Crimea, and the uncertainties surrounding U.S. commitment to NATO, the new Russia-China ‘strategic congruence’ is certain to impact Asia. The problem for India and Indian diplomacy is that at this time India-Russia relations appear less robust than at any time in the past half century.

India’s ‘Act East and Look West’ policies have given a new dimension to Indian diplomacy in both East and West Asia. In both regions, however, but especially in West Asia, Indian diplomacy still lacks the nimbleness required to deal with fast-changing situations. In West Asia, despite its long time presence in the region, a 9-million strong diaspora, and the region being its principal source of oil, India is not a major player today. Both Russia and China have overtaken India in the affairs of the region. This is particularly true of Iran where the Russia-China-Iran relationship has greatly blossomed, almost marginalising India’s influence.

Fadeout in West Asia

India’s absence from, and its inability to play a role in, West Asia, even as the region confronts a split down the line between the Arab and the non-Arab world is unfortunate. More so, there is the possibility of a series of confrontations between an increasingly powerful Shiite Iran and a weakening Saudi Arabia. The most recent challenge is the one posed by Qatar to the existing order in the West Asian region. The fallout of all this will impact India adversely and Indian diplomacy’s inability to make its presence felt will matter. An additional concern for India would be that growing uncertainties in the region could further fuel radical Islamist terror in the region.

*(Relations with Iran being allowed to go downhill tx to US pressure.Why can't we stand up and say NO to the US ,just as it =refuses to ditch Pak?)

The ‘Act East’ policy has produced better results. Closer relations with countries in East and South East Asia, especially Japan and Vietnam, are a positive development. However, in the Asia-Pacific, India has to contend with an increasingly assertive China. There is little evidence to show that India’s diplomatic manoeuvres individually, or with allies like Japan, have succeeded in keeping the Chinese juggernaut at bay — or for that matter provide an alternative to China in the Asia-Pacific.

India’s diplomatic establishment is all too aware of the political history and economics of the Asian region. Under Prime Minister Modi, diplomatic styles have changed but it would seem that the substance has altered little. His recent visit to Israel was, no doubt, a resounding success, but Israel was already one of the very few countries which had shown a complete understanding of India’s defence and security needs, even ignoring the sanctions imposed on India by some countries. Israel’s supply of critical defence items during the Kargil conflict (of 1999) is an excellent example.

What Indian diplomacy currently needs to do is to find a way to steer amid an assertive China, a hostile Pakistan, an uncertain South Asian and West Asian neighbourhood, and an unstable world. The strategic and security implications of these, individually and severally, need to be carefully validated and pursued. Indian diplomacy may possibly need to display still higher levels of sophistication to overcome the odds.

M.K. Narayanan is a former National Security Adviser and a former Governor of West Bengal


PS:MKN's narrative completely ignores India's relations with Russia,which at one time was the lynchpin of our foreign policy.This allowed us to defeat Pak in '71,brush off the Chinese,etc. Sure,things changed after the USSR collapsed,but allowing Indo-Russian relations to stagnate,without injecting a new dynamism to the same,rushing to "love" Bush,etc., has cost us dearly. Russo-Sino relations as a result have vastly improved,but India still has an edge which must be leveraged more forcefully especially at this time of crisis with China.

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby Viv S » 18 Aug 2017 15:46

Philip wrote:Sure,things changed after the USSR collapsed,but allowing Indo-Russian relations to stagnate,without injecting a new dynamism to the same,rushing to "love" Bush,etc., has cost us dearly. Russo-Sino relations as a result have vastly improved,but India still has an edge which must be leveraged more forcefully especially at this time of crisis with China.

Hmm.. so India is at fault for letting relations with Russia 'stagnate'?

1993 - China-Russia 5 year defence cooperation agreement

2001 - Sino-Russian Treaty of Friendship - (20 year strategic treaty)

^ Article 9 - When a situation arises in which one of the contracting parties deems that peace is being threatened and undermined or its security interests are involved or when it is confronted with the threat of aggression, the contracting parties shall immediately hold contacts and consultations in order to eliminate such threats.

2005 - India-US Defence Framework agreement

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby Philip » 19 Aug 2017 11:10

So what were we doing when the Indo-Sov. treaty of P&F was ending? Did we even bother to use our old ties with the new states,former republics of the USSR? Maggie Thatcher's first visit at that tome to E.Europe was to Kazakhastan,which had a large number of Sov. BMs.It is a historical fact that we later rued the lost opportunity to leverage our erstwhile influence with these states.This allowed Pak to get Ukranian T-80UDs.The Chinese scooped up hundreds of Russian scientists,who would've preferred to work in India (I was told this by one in the know),which allowed them to rapidly develop their home made systems and clone Sov. era weapon systems too.

Who reached out to the African nations first? China.We had for decades tremendous respect and influence in Africa becos of our stand against apartheid and could've asked for anything.A former CNS told me in utter disgust how one state wanted to revamp its navy and asked us for help.It took the MEA 2 years to approve 2 economy class tkts for the naval team to travel there! By that time,the govt. felt that we ere not interested in wanting them to develop a strong navy.You now have the Chinese squatting ion Djibouti. Who was offered Hambantota Port first? Who was earlier also offered Trinco for naval purposes? It cannot be denied that under prev. regimes after Rajiv G.,our MEA dropped the ball time and time again. It is now a huge task for the Modi regime to recover the lost ground,some of which cannot be recovered at all.

The very least we should've done with Russia,etc.,was to have established a new platform for relations in the post-Sov. era not only with Russia but with all the former Sov. republics. One firang VVIP personally known,was aghast at India's puny diplomacy considering our size and strength when compared with China's efforts over a decade ago.He warned me that they (China) had hardly begun to exercise their full strength and that India was oblivious to the Chinese masterplan for Asia and the IOR.At that time,people laughed when one warned of the PLAN subs,etc, foraying into the IOR.No one is laughing now! One of our sr. diplomats,said when I had a lengthy chat with him several years ago of the impending crisis,said "unfortunately,the view from Delhi is different (MEA),they ignore what we tell them..)

PS:MKN's forgetfullness of Russia in his "arc..." piece indicates the alzheimers that afflicts some of the establishment.He was too busy ramming through the Indo-US N-deal for Snake-Oil Singh ,using every means poss. to convince our netas.Fortunately,Jet Li with his recent visit and the current NSA think seem to be diifferently minded..

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby arun » 23 Aug 2017 11:33

X Posted from the "India-US relations: News and Discussions IV" thread.

Indian Origin US Ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley:

"We've got to put the pressure on India that they have to be part of the political solution"

I wonder where the f**k this US arrogance that they can “pressure” a country like India comes from such that it can even warp the judgement of an Indian Origin individual like Nikki Haley :x :?:

I hope this arrogance is not a case of the “Saudi Half Wit Prince” type abjectly grovelling type flattery of Donald Trump regards North Korea by our PM Narendra Modi, boomeranging back on us in India as the US assumption that it can pressure India when it has not been able to pressure the much smaller Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, is plain ludicrous.

See 5:15 of the below CNN Video for the Nikki Haley’s arrogant comment on pressurising India:

NIKKI HALEY FULL INTERVIEW WITH CHRIS CUOMO - NEW DAY (8/22/2017)

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby Philip » 23 Aug 2017 11:49

Expecting us to play "second fiddle" to yet another "Pox Americana" in Afghanistan,is simply out of the Q.Unless India's concerns about Paki terror being looked at through Nelsonian eyes,nothing positive will happen in the region. As another member pointed out very correctly,all these decades the west was trying to prevent the Soviets from getting a "warm water port".But what have they done when Pak simply gifted away Gwadar to the Chinese?!

If Pak is not tamed and its terror infrastructure dismantled,Pak will only get emboldened and the West will suffer even greater terror on its home soil.
Veteran journo and author,Hiranmay Karlekar warned the US/West after the attacks on India over a decade ago that they would suffer if Pak was not leashed.They did nothing and 9/11 happened.His book on Afghanistan is worth reading again.
Now that Pak has been completely exposed and a no-nonsense US pres. in the White House...sorry,Trump Towers,the time to act on Pak has arrived.Trump must increase the pressure on the pain points of Pak to get quick results. Delaying Pak's pain will see the opportunity slip away. If China comes to the rescue of Pak,then China must suffer the same sanctions,etc.,too.

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby amohan2001 » 23 Aug 2017 12:13

India should be partner of USA in resolving Afghanistan problem, if and only if defanging of Pakistan, free hand on POK and Freedom for Baluchistan is part of the solution.

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby Viv S » 23 Aug 2017 12:55

Philip wrote:So what were we doing when the Indo-Sov. treaty of P&F was ending?

Trying to stave off bankruptcy and mortgaging our gold.

The very least we should've done with Russia,etc.,was to have established a new platform for relations in the post-Sov. era not only with Russia but with all the former Sov. republics.

None of which is likely to have staved off the reality of Russian-Chinese relations.

Diplomatic outreaches don't mean jack when weighed against core national interests (or at least what countries perceive as their core national interest). Russia didn't sign a defence agreement with China because the Chinese arrived with a 50 man delegation instead of a 10 man delegation.

They did so because they calculated that their core interests were better served by pursuing a close relationship with emerging great power like the PRC even if that was to detriment of ties with near bankrupt old 'friend'. That's how realpolitik works.

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby arun » 24 Aug 2017 11:18

X Posted from the “India-US relations: News and Discussions IV”.

US Secretary of State humbly and politely enough requests India to “take some steps of rapprochement on issues with Pakistan to improve the stability within Pakistan and remove some of the reasons why they deal with these unstable elements inside their own country”.

India should in turn politely tell the US that we in India have no intention in interfering in the internal affairs of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan by mitigating the blowback of the policy followed by the Islamic Republics Punjabi Military dominated Deep State of fomenting Mohammadden Terrorism in a vain attempt to intimidate neighbouring States like India.

Remarks
Rex W. Tillerson
Secretary of State
Press Briefing Room
Washington, DC
August 22, 2017 ……………………

MS NAUERT: Last question. Welcome, AFP. Front desk here.

QUESTION: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Secretary. Don’t you fear on the other side that too much pressure, too tough pressure on Pakistan may destabilize the Islamabad and may have destabilizing all the region with having Taliban stronger in the country?

SECRETARY TILLERSON: That is a concern, and that’s why I made the comments I just made, that I think it’s important that Pakistan begin to think about its ability to contain these groups as well.

It’s why, though, we take a regional approach. The U.S. alone is not going to change this dynamic with Pakistan. India and Pakistan, they have their own issues that they have to continue to work through, but I think there are areas where perhaps even India can take some steps of rapprochement on issues with Pakistan to improve the stability within Pakistan and remove some of the reasons why they deal with these unstable elements inside their own country.

As I said, other regional players have strong interest in Pakistan. China has strong interest in Pakistan. Having a stable, secure future Pakistan is in a lot of our interests. They are a nuclear power. We have concerns about their weapons, the security of their weapons. There are many areas in which we believe we should be having very productive dialogue that serves both of our interests and regional interest as well.

So this is – again, this is not a situation where the U.S. is saying, “Look, it’s just us and you.” What our approach is to bring – as I said, these regional approaches is to bring all the other interest into this effort. Much as we’ve done with North Korea and assembling this global effort in North Korea, I think too often we try to distill these challenges down to where it’s just the U.S. and some other country and only between the two of us can we solve it. We have to enlarge the circle of interest and bring others to – into the effort as well, and that’s what we’ll be doing with Pakistan as well.


From the US State Department website:

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson Press Availability

Meanwhile any notion that the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan may have nurtured that US Secretary of State Tillerson’s call for “Rapprochement” implied a change in the hands-off US policy on Jammu & Kashmir, in line with India’s position that no third party mediation will be permitted in the resolution of J&K, goes up smoke. In addition any hope that the Punjabi Military dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan may have harboured of leveraging a down hill skiing surrender to the US on the matter of fomenting Mohammadden Terrorism in Afghanistan for support on Jammu & Kashmir, goes up in smoke.

Heather Nauert
Spokesperson
Department Press Briefing
Washington, DC
August 23, 2017 ………………………….

QUESTION: And – thank you. Just in terms of the – of Pakistan, yesterday, Secretary Tillerson said that India – even India could take some steps of rapprochement to remove some of the reasons why Pakistan deals with these unstable elements inside their country. What was he referring to in terms of the steps India could take?

MS NAUERT: I think one of the things that we would do is ask or encourage India and Pakistan to sit down together and engage in direct dialogue that is aimed at reducing tensions between both of those countries.

QUESTION: So is he linking, for example, a solution – a policy on – of – for a solution on Kashmir with Pakistan-Afghanistan issues?

MS NAUERT: Well, I think going up to 30,000 feet, we view the whole strategy and handling Afghanistan as being a regional strategy, and that, of course, incorporates India as well as Pakistan, so incorporating all the nations in that region who can – we believe can help assist and help make Afghanistan a stable place where you’ll never have a terror group that will take root in that country again and can launch attacks on other countries.

QUESTION: Yeah, but does the U.S. see pushing for a solution on Kashmir as part of this regional strategy to deal with Afghanistan?

MS NAUERT: In terms of Kashmir, our policy on that has not changed. We continue to encourage the sides to sit down and talk together about that.

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby JE Menon » 24 Aug 2017 12:03

>>In terms of Kashmir, our policy on that has not changed. We continue to encourage the sides to sit down and talk together about that.

That is about as clear as it can get. It is time now for Pakistan to ruminate on where it finds itself, consider its options and decide whether it wants to end as a functional state (such as it is), or return to civilisation after abandoning its interpretation of Islam.

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby pankajs » 24 Aug 2017 17:57

The way I see, there are many audience of any statement. There is an internal audience, the countries in question and the world at large.

While not ignoring any part we must focus on the operative part.

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby pankajs » 24 Aug 2017 18:01

https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll ... nd/1131102
India, Nepal ink eight pacts, call for closer security and defence ties

New Delhi, Aug 24 Nepal today assured India that it would not allow any activity against its "friendly neighbour", as the two sides signed eight pacts, including on cooperation in countering drug trafficking and post-earthquake reconstruction in the Himalayan nation.

After comprehensive talks with his Nepalese counterpart Sher Bahadur Deuba, Prime Minister Narendra Modi laid emphasis on closer cooperation between the security and defence forces of the two countries in order to avoid misuse of the open border between India and Nepal.

"Defence ties and assistance in security is an important aspect of our partnership. Our defence interests are also dependent and connected to each other," Modi said at a joint press briefing after the talks.

Deuba gave an assurance of "every support, every help and cooperation".

"As you (Modi) mentioned that Nepal has an open border... I would like to assure you that Nepal will never allow any activity against friendly neighbour India and there will be every support, every help and cooperation from our side," Deuba said.

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby Karthik S » 24 Aug 2017 18:09

Seems Russians have come to the defense of pakis after Trump's remarks. What has happened to Russians? Leave alone India angle, this is the same country that fought against them during Afghan occupation.

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Postby Vips » 24 Aug 2017 18:48

Nothing but their frustration that their long assured buyer of Russian military crap (majority of them, if not all) is now buying more reliable American/Western stuff.
Not until a few porki vermins indulge in pakistaniyat in Russia, will these ass***es smell the coffee.

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Postby anupmisra » 24 Aug 2017 19:02

Karthik S wrote:Seems Russians have come to the defense of pakis after Trump's remarks. What has happened to Russians? Leave alone India angle, this is the same country that fought against them during Afghan occupation.


Enemy of my enemy is my...er...temporary friend unless in a (truly paki) diabolical, Machiavellian way that temporary friend is also playing both sides of the field. Case in point - paki defense relations with Ukraine. By the way, the earliest known expression of this concept is found in the Arthashastra,

Diabolical, ain't it?

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Postby pankajs » 24 Aug 2017 19:03

The Russians know that some folks in India will start jumping at just the suggestion of a thaw with Bakistan. Our psychology is pretty transparent in some aspects and they do this little things to keep our attention.

It costs nothing to the Russians.

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Postby ramana » 24 Aug 2017 21:09

From Chanakya to Modi: The Evolution of India's Foreign Policy by Dr. Aparana Pande

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Foreign policy does not exist in a cultural vacuum. It is shaped by national experience and a country s view of itself. In the case of India, the foreign policy paradigm is as deeply informed by its civilizational heritage as it is by modern ideas about national interest. Even policies that appear to be new contain echoes of themes that recur in history. The two concepts that come and go most frequently in Indian engagement with the world from Chanakya in the third century bce to Prime Minister Narendra Modi in 2017 are autonomy and independence in decision making. There are also four trends that we can trace: messianic idealism, realism, isolationism and imperial influences ideas that have competed at one time and complemented one another at others. As India pursues modernity and seeks to exercise influence in the contemporary world, an examination of India in the context of its history and tradition is crucial. Aparna Pande's "From Chanakya to Modi" explores the deeper civilizational roots of Indian foreign policy in a manner reminiscent of Walter Russel Mead s seminal Special Providence (2001). It identifies the neural roots of India s engagement with the world outside. An essential addition to every thinking person s library.


While she uses Walter Russel Mead's four strands, Aparna Pande shows modern India's foreign policy is driven by messianic idealism as the core and the others three as strands in the rope. The Messianic Idealism is about India's place in the world from its civilizational and cultural roots and a voice for the population driven by true democratic impulse not just might is right based on UN system.

Google Books link to excerpts

Please buy the book. She is a forum lurker.

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Postby pankajs » 25 Aug 2017 13:27

pankajs wrote:The Russians know that some folks in India will start jumping at just the suggestion of a thaw with Bakistan. Our psychology is pretty transparent in some aspects and they do this little things to keep our attention.

It costs nothing to the Russians.

In addition, Russians are preparing for post-US Afghanistan. Russia is already in contact with the Taliban so it make sense for them to keep a workable relation with Bakis too. One way or another US will withdraw from there one day. That is the key to understanding the whole situation even wrt US actions.

BTW, this also an opportunity for the Russians to get its revenge for what US did to USSR in Afghanistan. The US has woven quite a web for itself. There is no easy victory in Afghanistan.

What are the options
1. US stays for a ever long time Afghanistan. Some bakis seem to think of it as the actual US plan. The argument for this case is Af provides a central location from which to keep an eye on the neighborhood which includes CA, Russia, China, India, Bakistan and Iran.
1a. But for that it will need co-operation of either Baksitan or Iran. With Iran still part of axis of evil Bakistan will still be the fallback ally. So US will still be dependent on Bakis.
1b. Access via India/POK. hardly likely. Even then Bakis will not be subdues and infact their effort to oust US from Af will only increase. Not a viable solution. Escalation will lead to 3c risk.
2. US leaves in disgrace and the country in disarray. Taliban and bakis in full control.
3. US leaves victorious with a semblance of a viable government in Kabul.
3a. Unity gov in Kabul with Taliban as core but that will mean co-operation of Bakistan and a big baki say in the future of Af. So the current Trump broadside might just be the start of a negotiation on a new deal.
3b. A non-taliban government. That will means taking out Taliban and taking the fight to its main backer i.e. Bakistan. Highly unlikely. Bakis can be bombed but difficult to subdue a large country like bakistan. An unwinnable proposition and an unlikely scenario. Plus 3c risk.
3c. A non-taliban government but preceded by a breakup of bakistan. Again unlikely because of the fear of nuclear weapons. Even if we discount their usage we cannot discount their falling into the wrong hands. Not LeT but a rogue BakMil that has just lost its country. IF US is unwilling to let a Iraq happen in Af how will the world tolerate an Iraq in Bakistan? And that too with nuclear weapons in play?

Looks like the trump broadside is to jump start new negotiations with fresh goals but the bakis are past masters of such games. Some give and take will occur but none of it is going to benefit India.

PS: It seems that Trump has been convinced to stay by dangling the $1 trillion wealth buried under Af to stay for a while longer. A businessman will not spend money if he doesn't see money in the situation.

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Postby SSridhar » 29 Aug 2017 15:04

India must express concern at the latest NoKo ballistic missile flight over Hokkaido. This will reciprocate the open show of Japanese solidarity with India over the Doka La stand-off.

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Postby Shankk » 30 Aug 2017 07:31

^^ We should keep in mind that Japanese support came after almost two months of standoff. It was not expressed in the beginning when situation was not clear and everybody took Chinese words seriously. It rather came when it became apparent that Chinese are merely bluffing.

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby ramana » 07 Sep 2017 23:32

partha wrote:This is disturbing. There are so many WTFs in this article.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-when-mk-narayanan-stalled-siachen-deal-2543556

When MK Narayanan stalled Siachen deal


In 2006, the stage was set between India and Pakistan to clinch a deal over the issue of Siachen — the world's highest battlefield where the climate has claimed more lives than gunfire — but the process was scuttled by India's then National Security Advisor (NSA) MK Narayanan, former Foreign Secretary Shyam Saran has claimed.

In his forthcoming part-history-part-memoir titled How India Sees the World, Saran has claimed that he and his Pakistani counterpart Riaz Mohammad Khan were close to breakthrough. He has claimed that the deal was even consented by the Indian Army, and mentioned its finer points, including current positions of the forces of the two countries, the positions to which they would withdraw, a schedule for redeployment, and a joint monitoring mechanism to prevent mutual intrusions. All this would have been recorded in an annexure to the main agreement.

In their tumultuous relations, India and Pakistan had already missed two possible deals on the Himalayan territory — located as high as 20,000 feet above sea level — in 1989 and 1992.

"To give the document additional strength, we insisted, and the Pakistani side agreed, that both the agreement and the annexure will be signed, and that the main agreement will explicitly declare that the annexure had the same legal validity as the agreement itself," records Saran, who also worked as adviser to then Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

Of course, why wouldn't they agree? We are giving them what they want so why wouldn't they agree? Time and again GoI makes the mistake of trusting Pakistan. Will we ever learn? Sooner an IG like leader gets elected and takes care of Pakistan once for all, the better it will be.

Prime Minister Singh, who was keen on the agreement had directed the Foreign Secretary to obtain a consensus from all key stakeholders. "I did many rounds of consultations, both at the senior bureaucratic and ministerial levels in the ministries of defence, home and finance (whose members are part of the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS)," he said.

Saran claimed that then Army Chief General JJ Singh and the chiefs of all intelligence agencies were also brought on board.

The deal was consented by the Army and its intricate technical details including the points and timing of redeployment and also the phases in which it would have been implemented and the structure of the monitoring mechanism were actually worked out by the Director-General Of Military Operations.

After all this exercise, when approval from the CCS was seen as a mere formality, the deal was aborted after Narayanan launched a bitter offensive. The draft agreement, along with the annexures, had been put together in a note to the CCS for approval so that it could be presented as a proposal from the Indian side at the India–Pakistan Defence Secretary-level talks scheduled for May 2006. The note had been examined and agreed to by all relevant stakeholders and agencies. The CCS approval was, therefore, expected to come as a matter of course.

"When the CCS meeting was held on the eve of the Defence Secretary-level talks, the NSA launched an offensive, saying that Pakistan could not be trusted, and that there will be political and public opposition to any such initiative and that India's military position in the northern sector vis-à-vis both Pakistan and China will be compromised. General Singh, who had happily gone along with the proposal in its earlier iterations, now decided to join Narayanan in rubbishing it," records Saran in the book.

It's scary to think that it's always that one bureaucrat that saves the day for us. Remember Vivek Katju too scuttled a stupid deal with Pakis.

In the meeting, Home Minister Shivraj Patil and Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee decided to play it safe and proposed the deferment of its consideration until further study. The Prime Minister, who was keen to see the deal through, chose to keep silent. In the ensuing exchange of words, Narayanan, went further suggesting that Siachen be taken off the agenda of India–Pakistan talks entirely and that this should be communicated to the visiting Pakistani Defence Secretary at forthcoming talks. At this stage, Mukherjee stepped in to support Saran. He pointed out that Rajiv Gandhi himself had agreed to include Siachen in the India–Pakistan dialogue.

So F*ing what? Is Rajiv Gandhi some kind of God? Just because he included Siachen in the dialogue, should we continue doing so forever? What kind of stupidity and sycophancy is this? I thought Pranab Mukherjee was better compared to other Conmen but doesn't look like it.

Saran recalls that in 2007, when he visited a couple of high-altitude posts at the Siachen Glacier as part of a border infrastructure survey, he informally asked stationed officers it they would support a mutual withdrawal by India and Pakistan from the glacier. "The answer was an unqualified yes. I then asked whether we could risk Pakistani occupation of the area vacated by us. The officers replied that nothing better could happen because the Pakistanis would suffer 'what we have been going through these past several years," he records in the book. The opportunity to finally resolve a long-standing issue and a constant source of bitterness in Pakistan was lost.
Strange.

Saran has also referred to Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee and President Pervez Musharraf's back channel and confidential talks on Kashmir at their January 2004 meeting in Islamabad, which continued during Manmohan Singh's era as well. He also mentions another tiff with Narayanan, when he tried to rock the boat of the Indo-US nuclear deal. Even though being chief negotiator, Narayanan had excluded him from an apex committee consisting of the Department Of Atomic Energy and PMO officials.

"It often turned out that I was negotiating with William Burns on one side and the PMO on the other. Narayanan became the interlocutor between the negotiating team and the DAE, which seemed to be convinced that we were about to sell the store to the Americans," he added.

What's this itch of every PM to make a peace deal with Pakis instead of working on finishing them off? Are they after Nobel Peace Prize?

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby Philip » 12 Sep 2017 19:39

In my opinion,India's mil strength would've enabled us to counter any attempt by Pak to welsh on the agreement later by embarking upon snitching Siachen. The region is so inhospitable and air strikes would've made icy tombs for any Paki forces attempting another Kargil.It has been a colossal drain on manpower and money on both sides,esp. us. If the DMZ could hold in Korea for so many decades ,a Siachen Demilitirisation would've been possible too. Siachen is not Kargil. A deal could've been signed and sufficient security monitoring established. Opportunity missed,despite our mistrust of anything signed by Pak.

However,her is where we've been singularly lethargic,tx to us doing Uncle Sam's bidding,delaying the strat. interaction with Iran,vital for India to outflank Pak.With the Yanquis now wanting us to do more in Afghanistan,developing Chahbahar to the hilt is inescapable esp. as the US cannot rely upon Pak as an ally,and may take out anti-US terror/Talib elements safe in their Paki lairs.This would make using Pak as a land route for sending supplies to the Kabul regime impossible in the future.Iran which has a long land border with Afghanistan is vital therefore in securing that nation's logistic lifeline.Will India do the needful asap? Billion$$$ Q.



Afghanistan asks India for speedy development of Iranian port
Tuesday, September 12, 2017
By: DAWN

Afghanistan’s foreign minister asked India on Monday to expedite development of a strategic port in Iran to bolster a trade route for land-locked Central Asian countries that would bypass Pakistan.

The port would allow India to transport goods to Afghanistan by sea. Pakistan currently does not allow India to transport through its territory to Afghanistan.

Last year, India committed up to $500 million for the development of the Chabahar port along with associated roads and rail lines.

Indian External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj responded that India would speed up the port development and begin supplying wheat to Afghanistan within weeks through Chabahar.
Located in southeastern Iran, Chabahar Port serves as Iran’s only oceanic port and consists of two separate ports named Shahid Kalantari and Shahid Beheshti.

In his new Afghanistan strategy unveiled last month, US President Donald Trump asked India to do more to help Afghanistan’s development. Mr Trump also called for India’s role in bringing stability to the war-torn country.

Afghan Foreign Minister Salahuddin Rabbani also asked India to expand an air freight corridor introduced between the two countries in June to provide greater access for Afghan goods to the Indian market.

Ms Swaraj, who hosted Mr Rabbani in New Delhi, told reporters that India and Afghanistan jointly agreed to embark on a “new development partnership” in keeping with Afghanistan’s priorities.

She said more than 100 new development projects would be implemented jointly.

She said India would assist in a drinking water supply project for Kabul, low-cost housing for returning refugees, a water supply network for Charikar city, and a polyclinic in Mazar-e-Sharif.

India will also help Afghanistan build human resource capacities and skills, especially in education, health, agriculture, energy, administration and resource management, Ms Swaraj said.

The Afghan foreign minister said the two countries reaffirmed their resolve to strengthen their security and defence cooperation, but did not give any details.

India already has donated three multirole Mi-35 helicopters to Afghanistan, and trains Afghan security forces and police personnel.

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby ShauryaT » 23 Sep 2017 21:07

A Jirga of sorts by Shyam Saran on his book at CPR. This book is a must read for folks interested in Indian Foreign Policy and how the MEA conducts it. https://www.facebook.com/hindustantimes ... 822538580/

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby kumarn » 23 Sep 2017 21:47

If siachen is tough to defend, then we needs to move north and west to the point it is easy. If can't, then stay put until we can. Too much of strategy is injurious to health. Just keep it simple.

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Re: Indian Foreign Policy

Postby ShauryaT » 23 Sep 2017 22:20

I just love this lady. UN speech by EAM Sushma Swaraj.


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