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Postby Peregrine » 02 Apr 2018 02:41

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Kharif crops likely to suffer due to severe water shortage

ISLAMABAD : With up to 60 per cent water shortage at rim stations, the upcoming Kharif crops face a serious challenge.

The situation is compounded by less water availability in two major reservoirs — Tarbela and Mangla dams – that hit dead.

The water crisis caused by climate change not only posing a threat to the Kharif crops, it also led to a drop in hydel generation to an alarming level, causing elongated loadshedding across the country.

The total hydel generation dropped to 1,050 megawatts (MW) due to cut in water releases from dams against the installed capacity of 7,000MW.

At present, Tarbela is generating 325MW and Mangla, 200MW.

Keeping in view the shortages in the system, Indus River System Authority (Irsa) on Sunday decided to close downstream water releases from Chashma for Punjab with immediate effect.

Irsa Spokesperson Khalid Rana said, “So from April 4, Taunsa Panjnad Link Canal will be closed.”

“Today, shortages to Punjab and Sindh have increased to 60 per cent at rim stations," the spokesperson added.

The Irsa advisory committee that met on March 29 had projected 31 per cent water shortages in early Kharif during the sowing season due to higher losses and less water inflows into rivers.

Punjab and Sindh would face 31 per cent water shortage. However, Balochistan and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa have been exempted from water shortage during the Kharif season that lasts from April 1 to November 30. Rice, sugarcane, cotton and maize are some of the key crops of the season.

However, against the projection of 31 per cent water shortage for early Kharif, the shortages have reached to an alarming level of 60 per cent at a time when the Kharif crops’ sowing season is about to start.

Due to less water releases from dams, farmers would be depending on groundwater.

Pakistan Metrological Department and Wapda representatives also informed the meeting that the country had received 50 per cent less snow in catchment areas.

Moreover, Irsa decision to cut water share of Punjab and Sindh is also related to less water inflows from rivers.

The water share of Punjab was reduced to 26,000 cusecs from 29,000 cusecs, and that of Sindh to 17,000 cusecs from 20,000 cusecs.

“Still running with a discharge of 2,000 cusecs, Irsa will decide about CJ on Monday (today),” the spokesperson said, adding, “Temperatures at Skardu touched 20 degrees, the flows have yet to increase which is quite alarming.”

“However, the situation will clear in the next 48 hours,” he said, adding, “Water shortage would also definitely have a bad impact on hydel generation as Tarbela and Mangla dams are still at dead level.”

“The Irsa recorded water inflow of only 44,000 cusecs today, compared with an inflow of 123,000 cusecs last year,” Rana said, adding, “Last year, Skardu temperature was 16.7 degree and discharge was 27,600 cusecs. Today, temperature is 20.6 degree but the discharge level is 17,000 cusecs.”

The country had witnessed less water availability for the Rabi crops from October 1, 2017 to March 29, 2018.

Total water shortage had been anticipated at 33 per cent during Rabi corps. The total water availability was estimated at 36.17maf, but it remained at 24.06maf.

Punjab was estimated to face 35 per cent, Sindh (34 per cent), K-P (26 per cent) and Balochistan (7 per cent) water shortage during the entire Rabi season.

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Postby Kashi » 02 Apr 2018 05:42

^ I wonder how soon before they start blaming India.

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Pakistan approaches World Bank after India builds Kishanganga on Neelum

Having confirmed that India has completed the controversial Kishanganga hydropower project, Pakistan has asked the World Bank to recognise its responsibility under the Indus Waters Treaty of 1960 to address its concerns over two disputed projects.
urging the international organisation to “recognise its responsibility” and play its role to ensure that India abided by the provisions of the 1960 treaty while building the projects.
there was no doubt that India had completed the 330MW Kishanganga project during the period the World Bank “paused” the process for constitution of a Court of Arbitration (COA) as requested by Pakistan in early 2016.
Pakistan had called for resolution of disputes over Kishanganga project on the Neelum river and 850MW Ratle hydropower project on the Chenab.
The official said the letter had reached the bank’s head office in Washington and had been delivered to its vice president concerned as confirmed by Pakistan’s director to the bank.
When asked what the government expected now that India had completed the Kishanganga project, the official said the authorities could not just sit back and had to take the matter to its logical conclusion.
Islamabad had received reports in August of 2017 that New Delhi had completed the Kishanganga project as per the design that had been objected to by the former.
a Pakistani delegation of the Indus Waters Commission was not allowed to visit various controversial projects in India, including Kishanganga and Ratle schemes.
Under the treaty, in case the parties fail to resolve disputes through bilateral means the aggrieved party has the option to invoke the jurisdiction of the International Court of Arbitration or the neutral expert under the auspices of the World Bank.
Pakistan’s experience with both the international forums — neutral expert and CoA — has not been satisfactory for varying reasons and outcomes, partially due to domestic weaknesses including delayed decision-making.
Islamabad has been under criticism at home for losing its rights through legal battles instead of building diplomatic pressure in world capitals to stop India from carrying out “water aggression”.
Pakistan believed that Kishanganga’s pondage should be a maximum of one million cubic metres instead of 7.5 million cubic metres
It believes the Indian design of Ratle project would reduce Chenab flows by 40 per cent at Head Marala and cause considerable irrigation loss to crops. The Ratle dam is believed to be three times larger than the Baglihar dam.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1399675/pakis ... -on-neelum

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^^^

On completion of the scheme, Pakistan proposed some modifications to partially address its concerns over the Kishanganga project’s design for water storage without affecting its power generation capacity, but in vain.


No question of entertaining any request by the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan for design modification of the Kishanganga project after the International Court of Arbitration has pronounced on the matter back in December 2013.

Any way Kishanganga is done and truly dusted. NHPC press release of 3 days ago:

Press Release

NHPC commissions 330 MW Kishanganga Hydroelectric Project, Jammu & Kashmir

Press Release
02/04/2018


The third unit (110MW) of the Kishanganga Hydroelectric Project (3 x 110MW) of NHPC at Bandipora, Jammu & Kashmir has been successfully synchronised with the grid and has also achieved its rated full load successfully at 23:58 Hrs on 30.03.2018. This marks the commissioning of all three units of Kishanganga Project, as the first and second units have already been commissioned on 13th March and 21st March 2018 respectively.

The Kishanganga project envisages diversion of water of Kishanganga River to underground Power House through 23.25 KM long Head Race Tunnel to generate 1713 million units per annum. The Project is covered under the Indus Waters Treaty signed between India and Pakistan. Apart from the many states which would be the project’s energy beneficiaries, 12% free power generated from the project shall be provided to the state of Jammu & Kashmir. The NHPC team achieved this milestone with their relentless hard work and dedication. The cooperation of the local community near project vicinity, district & state administration and other stake holders was instrumental in completing the project.

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Date: 31.03.2018
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Regards the Ratle project it is well to note the 4 objections of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan as it will serve a bench mark of who is the winner or loser when the project gets completed:

About the Ratle project, Pakistan had four objections. Freeboard should be one metre instead of two metres, pondage should be a maximum of eight million cubic metres instead of 24 million, intake level should be at 8.8 metres and spillways at the height of 20 metres.

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Postby arun » 05 Apr 2018 10:52

Benjamin Walsh seems to have a good understanding of the cussed national psyche of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan of taking no responsibility for problems but instead blaming other countries; India in the case of the Islamic Republics water woes. :

Pakistan Must Stop Blaming India for Its Water Woes

4 APRIL 2018
Benjamin Walsh, Research Analyst, Global Food and Water Crises Research Programme

Background

Delegates from India and Pakistan met in India from 29 to 30 March as part of the annual meeting of the Indus Water Commission, a requirement under the Indus Water Treaty. It was the 114th meeting of the Permanent Indus Commission (PIC). Prior to the meeting, sources believed that Pakistan would raise concerns over the building of Indian dams. The Pakul Dul and Lower Kalnai, under construction in Jammu and Kashmir, were expected to feature, and the Ratle project being built on a tributary of the River Chenab is also seen by Pakistan as being in breach of the Indus Water Treaty (IWT). Under the IWT, the Indus, Jhelum and Chenab are reserved for Pakistan, and the Ravi, Sutlej and Beas are reserved for India. The Indus meetings, however, are not only used for the discussion of transboundary issues.

Comment

The meetings are usually coloured by preconceived perspectives as to the intentions that India has for Pakistan and vice-versa. Pakistan is especially apt at using the forums to blame India for the vast majority of its national water woes. Pakistan sees India as overly belligerent and determined to cut off an already vulnerable country’s access to the water it needs to fuel its agricultural industry. At times, Pakistan has attempted to combat what it sees as Indian intransigence with heavy international pressure. In 2016, Pakistan initiated proceedings to have India referred to the International Court of Arbitration in The Hague over India’s planned dams on the Kishenganga and Ratle rivers. It has especially welcomed the pressure China has placed on India. The annual Indus meetings are another tool that Pakistani politicians and media types employ to blame India for their country’s water crisis.

A common theme that surfaces at every annual meeting of the PIC is the idea that Indian dam building is the reason why Pakistan finds itself so water scarce. The IWT grants Pakistan the right to diplomatically challenge any Indian hydro project or development strategy that involves building on rivers that flow into Pakistan, and rightly so. Nonetheless, Pakistan’s insistence on bringing up Indian dam building as the reason why Pakistan is so water-scarce is not just a common staple of bilateral water diplomacy, but a product of Pakistan’s India-centric foreign policy that attempts to exonerate the many domestic barriers to Pakistani water security.

There is nothing wrong with using the PIC to challenge Indian hydro projects. Overextending the Commission’s mandate and using those challenges to blame India for many problems arguably caused by domestic Pakistani policy is, however, demonstrable of the real problem: wilful neglect.

The Pakistani media, as well as the Indian media when it covers Pakistan, have realised that anti-Indian coverage boosts viewership and ratings. The vast majority of Pakistanis probably know that serious environmental damage caused by flooding and heavy rainfall is not caused by India, but by their own government’s inability to prepare for them. It is much easier for citizens to believe, and for politicians to argue, that domestic water problems could not possibly be the fault of domestic policymakers.

As this author has written elsewhere, Pakistan does more to blame India than it does to construct any sort of domestic capability aimed at managing existing water supplies. India has built thousands more dams than Pakistan and, while complaining of Indian troublemaking, Pakistan has refused to financially contribute to the management of the rivers that flowing into it from Afghanistan. Even though India is adhering to its legal obligations under the IWT, including the 2013 ruling by The Hague that requires India to provide a minimum of nine cubic metres per second of water in the Kishanganga River, Pakistani politicians complain that it is an ‘inefficient forum for resolving water issues’.

Given that Pakistan has taken a treaty designed to promote transboundary co-operation and attempted to use it to appease its India-centric foreign policy, it is, therefore, no surprise that that is Pakistan’s overall assumption of the IWT and the PIC. The “inefficient forum” has been called just that because Pakistani politicians have expected it to address Pakistan’s water crisis in a way that they would like it to. For Pakistan, in that light, the forum is unlikely to be successful because politicians are treating a domestic crisis as a foreign policy problem. Pakistan needs to focus on the effects that rapid urbanisation, poor urban planning, high youth unemployment, the population bomb and government corruption has on the country’s water problems. It seems that a readjustment of perspective might be a more useful first step to take.



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Postby Peregrine » 05 Apr 2018 16:36

Pakistan approaches World Bank over Kishanganga project: Report

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has informed the World Bank about India's completing of the Kishanganga hydropower project during the bank's "pause" period and has urged it to "recognise its responsibility" under the Indus Waters Treaty, a media report said today.

Pakistan has approached the World Bank, the mediator between the two countries of the water distribution treaty, in the past and raised issues over Kishanganga and Ratle projects in Jammu and Kashmir.

It has been flagging concern over designs of India's five hydroelectricity projects - Pakal Dul (1000 MW), Ratle (850 MW), Kishanganga (330 MW), Miyar (120 MW) and Lower Kalnai (48 MW) - being built/planned in the Indus river basin, contending these violate the treaty.

The power division of the energy ministry sent a fresh communique early this week to the bank's vice president urging the international organisation to ensure that India abided by the provisions of the 1960 treaty while building the projects, a government official told Dawn newspaper.

The official said the letter had reached the bank's head office in Washington and had been delivered to its vice president concerned as confirmed by Pakistan's director to the bank, the report said.

The official said there was no doubt that India had completed the Kishanganga project during the period the World Bank "paused" the process for constitution of a Court of Arbitration (COA) as requested by Pakistan in early 2016.

The Pakistan's request was countered by India by calling for a neutral expert.

Pakistan had called for resolution of disputes over Kishanganga project on the Neelum river and Ratle hydropower project on the Chenab.

Asked about the government's next move, the official said the authorities could not just sit back and had to take the matter to its logical conclusion.

Pakistan had received reports in August last year that New Delhi had completed the Kishanganga project as per the design that had been objected by Islamabad, the report said.

The letter was sent to the World Bank after a Pakistani delegation of the Indus Waters Commission was not allowed to visit various projects in India, including Kishanganga and Ratle schemes, it said.

Pakistan has raised objections over the design of the hydel project in Jammu and Kashmir, saying it is not in line with the criteria laid down under the Indus Water Treaty between the two countries.

In December 2016, the bank had announced that it had "paused" the process for either appointing a COA or a neutral expert and started mediation between the two countries on how to advance and develop consensus in the light of the treaty on the mechanism for resolution of faulty designs of the two projects.

Since then, the bank has arranged two rounds of talks between the two sides but the Indians kept on building the project, the report alleged.

The last round of bank-facilitated and secretary-level talks between India and Pakistan were held in Washington in September that ended in disappointment for Pakistan, it said.

In view of the inability of the parties to agree on whether a COA or a neutral expert is the way forward, the World Bank is reported to have called another round of discussions to minimise the differences but failed to bring New Delhi to the negotiating table.

Under the provisions of the Indus Waters Treaty, the waters of the eastern rivers -- the Sutlej, Beas and Ravi -- had been allocated to India and that of the western rivers -- the Indus, Jhelum and Chenab -- to Pakistan except for certain non-consumptive uses.

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Two words: Fait Accompli.

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Postby SSridhar » 05 Apr 2018 17:16

Pakistanis are, as usual, trying to be clever-by-half. As far as we all know, the CoA had given its final arbitration. India had to follow the modified plan for sedimentation control. It was therefore Pakistan's usual tactic to raise another objection to stall the project. There was a stalemate on whether to go for a NE (as demanded by India) or another CoA (as demanded by Pakistan). This administrative process was 'paused' pending discussions and not the project activities per se.

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Postby anupmisra » 05 Apr 2018 19:05

SSridhar wrote:Pakistanis are, as usual, trying to be clever-by-half. ....This administrative process was 'paused' pending discussions and not the project activities per se.


Standard Operating Procedures.

This sudden paki move is another one in the grand chain of "tactical moves" employed by the paki leaderans to placate their clueless, hungry and thirsty awaam. It temporarily deflects the actual responsibility for a short while. Now the public has something to do - vent their ire against the minorities, have talk shows by pakijabis in their accented erdoo to cuss and discuss how to deal with the "mooh mein raam raam, bagal mein chhuri" type Hindus.

Waiting for their senile talk show hosts threaten to destroy these dams by atami bums.

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Postby Peregrine » 16 Apr 2018 15:45

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Water politics: a disastrous recipe for Pakistan

ISLAMABAD: Per-capita availability of water has declined to 1,000 cubic metres, which places Pakistan in the category of water-scarce countries. Despite the lower per-capita availability, Pakistan continues to waste water at an alarming pace.

Water conveyance efficiency of Pakistan is 55% and irrigation efficiency is 41%. Almost 45 MAF of water is lost during canal and watercourse flow. Pakistan also wastes large quantities of water due to lack of water storage facilities. The country has storage capacity for merely 30 days against the minimum requirement of 120 days.

Significance of storage also has special relevance for Pakistan as the country receives 84% water during the summer season. Precipitation also varies considerably across the country ranging from 100 mm (Balochistan) to 1,500 mm (Northern Areas). Variability is too applicable in terms of seasons, about 60% precipitations occur during July-September.

Non-availability of storage facilities paves the way for the wastage of water in summer and scarcity during rest of the year. The situation will be further aggravated in the future due to climate change and increasing population.

A report by the United Nations Development Programme said that water demand would increase by 14% in 2025 due to increase in population (2017 million). However, estimates need to be revised as population is increasing at a higher rate as compared to government estimates. Last year’s population census shows that Pakistan has a population of 221 million. So we have already crossed the mark of 217 million with the government unable to invest in the sector.

Water is direly needed in every sphere of life including agriculture, livestock, industry, environment and domestic. Agriculture is a major consumer of water with 93% followed by the domestic and industrial sectors.

Water is also a cheap and renewable source of energy. Hydropower can contribute in multiple ways to the national economy. It will help to make our industry competitive in the international market. Our GHG emissions would be lower, which will project Pakistan as an environment and climate-friendly country. Many countries are investing in production of hydropower on a larger scale. Norway produces about 96% of its electricity from hydropower installations. LET US HAILTerroristan's steady march towards becoming the SECOND LAND OF SAND, but of course without Oil and other resources of the ORIGINAL LAND OF SAND!

Despite the multifaceted challenges, the sector is still a victim of political point-scoring and interests. Provinces are fighting over the distribution of water and building of storage facilities. The Kalabagh Dam is the worst victim of this political game and point-scoring. The dam had to be built in early 1980s or 1990s according to the World Bank report way back in 1960s. But it is still on the list of disputed items and provinces are unable to resolve the issue. Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa’s (K-P) political parties have developed an elaborate list of objections on various grounds but the most prominent is logging of the city. However, these objections need to be verified by sold, independent and scientific research and evidences.

Sindh has its own objections due to a trust-deficit. Sindh feared that being a low riparian country it might have to suffer water shortage due to dam building. There are also frequent complaints about the non-availability of water which are used to create bad blood about Punjab. The reality is that we are not storing water for the lean period, as 84% is available during summer months (about 128 MAF). Another major element of debate is distrust about Punjab. For resolving issues Punjab must come forward to clear all doubts of smaller provinces. It is necessary to build storage capacity on a priority basis.

Currently Pakistan has storage facility of only 11 MAF and uses almost 45 MAF during summers from the available water for crops, animals, industry and household purposes. This means that the rest of the amount of water is being discharged in the sea. Average annual flow down the Kotri has been calculated at about 31 MAF. It is worth mentioning here that required amount of flow down the Kotri is 8.6 MAF, which means that 23 MAF is wasted every year. So there is a problem of mismanagement. Balochistan is mostly missed in the debate on water sharing and distribution. Balochistan criticises Sindh for low availability of water, as Balochistan is low riparian to Sindh. Balochistan has vast potential for agriculture and generation of livelihoods for hundreds of thousands of people.

Unfortunately, it could not exploit its potential due to lack of availability of water for a number of reasons. First, Balochistan lies in semi-arid to hyper-arid areas where precipitation rate is very low. Second it does not get its required amount from the available resources due to lack of water storage facilities across the country. Third, there is political bargaining among the provinces to get major chunk of available water. It has turned Balochistan into a non-productive region.

Climate change will aggravate the situation. In the short-term there would be floods due to rapid glacier melting and erratic rainfall patterns. In the long-run, the country will have to face shortage of water, which will further worsen the prevailing situation. Recently UNDP categorised Pakistan as one the countries most affected by climate change.

Pakistan has to realise that we have reached a point where we need to take practical measures to tackle the crisis.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 16 Apr 2018 22:52

is there a fixed no. of baki population? i have seen wide ranging numbers from 200-250Mn

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Postby Peregrine » 17 Apr 2018 18:42

ArjunPandit wrote:is there a fixed no. of baki population? i have seen wide ranging numbers from 200-250Mn
ArjunPandit Ji :

I refer you to the Terroristan Population Survey:

I refer you to the Pakistan Population Survey :

2. POPULATION : (000)

Terroristan : 1951 : 33,7401961 : 42,880 - 1972 : 65,309 1981 : 84,254 - 1998 : 132,352

You will note that in the 20 Years Period 1951 - 1972 and 1961 - 1981 the Population has Doubled.

On this Basis during the Period 1998 to 2018 the Population will have also AT LEAST DOUBLED (what with Improved Health Facilities whereby the Longevity of the Population has Increased to the extent that the Terroristani Press has reported the Champions of Procreation wherein One Couple had 43 Children and the other Couple had 32 Children and are both aiming for a Century.)

As such I would humbly opine that the Terroristani Population in the Period 1998 to 2018 has also DOUBLED. This leads me to state with confidence that the Terroristani Population is now - in 2018 - Twice the 1998 Population i.e. a Rounded Figure of NOT LESS THAN 265 Million AND MOST LIKELY SUBSTANTIALLY MORE".

Here's hoping that the Terroristanis will not surprise me and ensure that their Population in 2020 is well near the 300 Million Mark.

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Postby Peregrine » 17 Apr 2018 19:17

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Pakistan says WB helped India complete Kishenganga project

ISLAMABAD: The pause taken by the World Bank in December 2016 that is still in place over the finalisation of mechanism for either appointing a COA or a neutral expert has provided the time enough to India to complete the Kishenganga project, Pakistan told the Bank about its apprehension in clear words in its second communication seen by The News.

It is pertinent to mention that The News had published the story on its edition of November 2017 with headline of “India completes Kishenganga project with faulty design.” However, Pakistan wrote the letter to World Bank on April 3, 2018, saying that the pause taken by the Bank has provided the time to Indian side to erect the Kishenganga project. INDIA'S ERECTION IS INCLUDING AND NOT LIMITED TO THE KRISHANGANGA PROJECT.

The pause was taken because of the impasse that had emerged in the wake of stance taken by Pakistan and India as former wanted the resolution at the level of Court of Arbitration of the disputed projects of Kishenganga and Rattle Hydropower projects, being constructed on Jehlum and Chenab rivers by India, whereas latter desired the decision by Neutral Expert. This had compelled World Bank to announce ‘pause’ on December 12, 2016 till the agreement on procedure or mechanism between the parties to the dispute --- Pakistan and India.

World Bank that brokered the Indus Waters Treaty in 1960 helped India in erection of the Kishenganga project with ‘faulty designs’, says the latest communication sent to the Bank. “We have asked the Bank’s president to do away with the pause and constitute the court of arbitration recalling that the top management of the Bank had initiated the process of lots draws to select the personality for appointing three umpires for Court of Arbitration and under the lots draws, the name of World Bank’s president was selected. Why are the Terroristanis continuously harping about INDIA'S ERECTION?

Pakistan argued saying that since the World Bank’s president has been selected to name three umpires for COA, so it should further initiate the process to complete the task and initiate the arbitration’s proceedings. Pakistan and India each will nominate their two judges and this is how the court of arbitration will be comprising 7 judges. In the communication with the Bank, Pakistan further asked if the ‘pause’ continues unabated, then India will also be able to complete the Rattle hydropower project with the objectionable deigns that will inflict the huge loss to the water inserts of the lower riparian country.

The top government official said that Pakistan still has the opportunity to get the design of erected Kishenganga modified in such a way that the project will not hurt and Pakistan water interests would also be ensured once the COA is constituted and Pakistan gets the justice. He said that ball is in the court of World Bank and if it does not move, then non-other than the Bank will be responsible for any misadventure between the two nuclear power as the water is lifeline of Pakistan. This constant and repeated reference to India's ERECT, ERECTED AND ERECTION by the Terroristanis IS AN INDICATION OF TERRORISTAN'S CONSTANT PARANOIA which in my opinion is an indication of the Terroristani's instinct or thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of delusion and irrationality.

Under the dispute resolution enshrined in Indus Waters Treaty, World Bank has the role as it is also the party to the dispute between Pakistan and India. Pakistan had called for resolution of disputes over Kishanganga project on the Neelum River and 850MW Rattle hydropower project on the Chenab.

Pakistan believed that Kishanganga’s poundage should be a maximum of one million cubic meters instead of 7.5 million cubic meters, intake should be up to four meters and spillways should be raised to nine meters.

About the Rattle project, Pakistan had four objections. Freeboard should be one meter instead of two meters, poundage should be a maximum of eight million cubic meters instead of 24 million, intake level should be at 8.8 meters and spillways at the height of 20 meters.

It believes the Indian design of Rattle project would reduce Chenab flows by 40 per cent at Head Marala and cause considerable irrigation loss to crops. The Rattle dam is believed to be three times larger than the Baglihar dam.

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Postby Peregrine » 26 Apr 2018 18:16

World Bank urged to schedule talks on water dispute with India

WASHINGTON: Islamabad has asked the World Bank to schedule a meeting with a Pakistani team in Washington later this month for talks on water dispute with India, official sources told Dawn on Wednesday.

Early this month, Pakistan asked the World Bank to address its concerns over India’s two hydropower projects — the 330-megawatt Kishanganga and 850MW Ratle plants. Islama­bad believes that both plants violate the Indus Water Treaty that distributes water of Indus River and its tributaries between India and Pakistan.

The Kishanganga plant is on the Neelum River and Ratle is on the Chenab and the treaty gives Pakistan exclusive rights over both. The treaty, however, also gives India the right to build hydropower plants over these tributaries if they do not violate specifications included in the agreement.

Pakistan complains that both plants violate specifications and also that India has completed the Kishanganga plant despite a World Bank pause on such constructions, enforced in December 2016.

While confirming to Dawn that it has received Pakistan’s complaint, a World Bank spokesperson said earlier this week it’s working with both Islamabad and New Delhi for an amicable resolution to the dispute. This week, the bank sent its envoy, Ian Solomon, to India to familiarise itself with the Indian position on this issue. Last week, Pakistan’s Adviser on Finance Miftah Ismail met Manag­ing Director of World Bank Kristalina Georgieva in Washington and urged her to help resolve the dispute.

Since the meeting also covered other issues, Pakistan has now asked the bank to schedule an exclusive meeting on the water dispute, in Washington, to enable Pakistani experts to explain Islamabad’s views on this issue.

Mr Solomon, who was appointed a World Bank envoy in December 2016 for talks with both India and Pakistan on the water dispute, may also visit Islamabad soon.

Since December 2016, the World Bank has arranged two rounds of talks between India and Pakistan but failed to stop the Indian authorities from continuing to build the plants.

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Postby arun » 29 Apr 2018 07:37

Long objected by Pakistan, Kishanganga Hydro Electric Project set for inauguration next month :

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Postby Kashi » 29 Apr 2018 08:39

arun wrote:Long objected by Pakistan, Kishanganga Hydro Electric Project set for inauguration next month :

Indian Express


Lot of tidbits in the article..

Immense challenges in commissioning the project.

Stone pelting at the vehicles and offices of the HCC in Bandipora..

Minor glitches in the diversion tunnel leading to seepage, which are being fixed.

Most importantly, the tunnel was till recently used to transport equipment and material to the site and many locals hitched along for the ride.

Now that the tunnel is going to be permanently filled with water, the locals want another tunnel that would ensure that Gurez remains connected with the valley all throughout the year, instead of being cut-off for six months.

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Postby CalvinH » 29 Apr 2018 09:47

Kashi wrote:
arun wrote:Long objected by Pakistan, Kishanganga Hydro Electric Project set for inauguration next month :

Indian Express


Lot of tidbits in the article..

Immense challenges in commissioning the project.

Stone pelting at the vehicles and offices of the HCC in Bandipora..

Minor glitches in the diversion tunnel leading to seepage, which are being fixed.

Most importantly, the tunnel was till recently used to transport equipment and material to the site and many locals hitched along for the ride.

Now that the tunnel is going to be permanently filled with water, the locals want another tunnel that would ensure that Gurez remains connected with the valley all throughout the year, instead of being cut-off for six months.


The article was full of slants and was mostly about highlighting the issues in garb of providing information. Indian express has a habit of doing it.

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Postby Peregrine » 02 May 2018 02:15

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Neelum-Jhelum, Tarbela, four projects no more functional

ISLAMABAD: The 969MW Neelum-Jhelum Hydropower project is no more functional, as Unit 4 that came on stream soon after inauguration by the prime minister on April 13 has stopped generating power.

The Unit 4 is designed to generate 242 megawatt power. The Tarbela-4 project of 1,410MW inaugurated by Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi is also not generating power.

The chart of the National Power Control Cell (NPPC) available with The News showing generation by the power houses as of Sunday clearly shows that Neelum-Jhelum and Tarbela-4 projects are not feeding power to the national grid.

The power situation has worsened as the RLNG power plants of 3,600MW installed in the Punjab have been delayed further. Out of them, two projects — one at Haveli Bahadur Shah and another at Balluki — may come on stream by May 13, but authorities at the second floor of Bloc-A of Islamabad Secretariat are still not 100 percent sure in this regard.

The earlier commissioning date for the Haveli Bahadur Shah RLNG plant was April 15. Under the agreement, the COD (Commercial Operation Date) of both the projects was January 9, but so far these are not functional despite the lapse of over five months.

The National Insurance Company Limited (NICL) has already refused to provide reinsurance cover to these two projects of 2,460 MW saying the risk factor is on the higher side, as the plants had never been tested or tried anywhere in the world before, and the Chinese supporting equipment is also not up to the mark.

More importantly, the Chinese companies don’t bear a good record. “And if the projects are made functional and they face any kind of hindrance in the wake of any damage to the plant, then who will bear the loss? So it has been decided that CoD of both the projects will not be declared unless the reinsurance cover is attained,” Rashid Langrial, Chief Executive Officer of National Power Parks Management Company (NPPMC), told The News.

The NPPMC looks after the affairs of the two RLNG power plants. Langrial said under the directives of prime minister his organization had sought the NICL permission to arrange the reissuance cover from a private entity from the global market.

He claimed that he will take 10-12 days to get reinsurance cover after getting the NOC from the NICL. He also confirmed that the NPPMC had started imposing penalty of $1,200,000 per day on the contractor of both the projects ($600,000 per day penalty to each contractor).

The third RLNG project at Bhikki is also facing delay because of failure in synchronization and some vibration issues between the gas and steam turbines. The contractor of Bhikki plant is also facing the $600,000 per day penalty. Bhikki is in the testing phase.

This alarming situation has put the top leadership of government in trouble, as the holy month of Ramazan is just 17-18 days away with the mercury constantly on the rise. Two days after inauguration, the Unit 4 came to a halt, as the seal of the power turbine-4 had got burnt damaging the rotor. As a result, the Unit-4 is no more operational. The repair will take three months.

Officials at the site of projects told The News that the topmanagement of Wapda and Neelum-Jhelum Hydropower Company Limited had played a trick on the prime minister. They said the management was now running unit-3 of 242 MW on a tests basis to keep the higher authorities in dark about the unit-4 which is no more functional.

The premier also inaugurated Tarbela-4 extension but that too was generating zero electricity as of Sunday. Officials said the projects should have been inaugurated by the premier after completing the testing phases but the management of Wapda and NJHPNL wanted to get appreciation by showing the prime minister their performance.

A questionnaire was sent to the Wapda Chairman Lt Gen (R) Muzammil Hussain about the situation. The Wapda chairman however refused to accept the ongoing appalling situation saying that the questionnaire was mostly based on half-baked facts.

However, Chief Executive Officer of Neelum-Jhelum Hydropower project Brig (R) Muhammad Zareen avoided answering the question as to why the management of Wapda and NJHPCL had cheated the prime minister by inviting him to inaugurate the project when it was in the testing phase and had not achieved CoD.

He also did not answer the question if the unit-4 was currently not operating. However, Zareen said: “The generation plant is a very complex system of many components. Texting is done with loading the machine progressively (after synchronization with the national grid) to ascertain deficiencies, if any, and do the necessary adjustments which are spread over 4 week normally.

Unit 4 was synchronized on April 9 and on the inauguration day it was generating 121 MW and the PM was briefed accordingly. It is incorrect that the rotor was damaged and rubber ring was replaced on March 30. The plant has so far generated 726MW. The unit-3 was synchronized on April 22 and has gone through all tests by April 27. The contractor is compiling all test documents as per protocols for review by consultants on Monday and permission to begin reliability tests for 72 hours. Thereafter (CoD) commercial operation will commence. It has generated 764MW electricity hours.”

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Postby Peregrine » 03 May 2018 19:47

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Chinese contractor of Neelam-Jhelum project recalls disasters that pushed project to brink

BEIJING: The recently inaugurated Neelam-Jhelum Hydropower project has experienced four major natural disasters during its construction in the past ten years, Feng Xinglong, Chairman of China’s Gezhouba Group said.

Feng, in an interview with Chinese website ‘Sina.com’ published on Wednesday, said each disaster had pushed the project to the brink of failure.

He said in 2010, a major flood in 100 years occurred in Pakistan, and facilities were destroyed in the entire tender area; in 2014, floods were re-emerged, and the stilling pools under construction were submerged; in 2014, water was poured through tunnels in river sections; and in 2015, a tunnel boring machine encountered a strong rock burst, resulting in buried equipment and extensive damage to parts.

Faced with the catastrophic situation, Chinese builders relied on their excellent skills and tenacious spirit, he added.

Feng said every time they successfully rescued the project from the brink of failure, especially after the extremely strong rock burst, Chinese technicians rapidly responded to the damaged equipment. The ground repairs were carried out and repair work was completed and excavation resumed in only seven months without affecting the quality of the project.

Had other foreign manufacturers been asked to replace all the damaged parts, only the parts procurement and shipping time cycle would be up to one year, and the cost would be high, he added.

Feng said it was the China Gezhouba Group, which was responsible for the construction of the Pakistan’s national hydropower project.

He said since the project was launched in January 2008, it had overcome one difficulty after another with decade-long technology, excellent skills, and unremitting persistence. Ultimately leading the “Three Gorges Project in Pakistan” ushered in today’s new glory, he added.

Feng said at the beginning of the project, Chinese employees interpreted the project’s initials NJ as “No Joke”. “It is the pride of China’s builders, who have succeeded in the project, and have not allowed it to fail, as well as serious and serious rigor,” he added.

He said in order to ensure the smooth progress of the project construction and benefit from the completion of the project, the company strived to achieve excellence in the selection of all equipment.

On the construction equipment, where the project site was located, where the “world’s top construction equipment exposition” was opened; on the permanent equipment, as the core of the hydropower station, the generator set selected the domestic top-level products, providing continuous and stable power generation after the completion of the power station.

With Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi personally pressing the unit start button in the control room, the first 243,000 kilowatts unit of the Neelum-Jhelum hydropower plant was officially put into commercial operation.

In his speech, the prime minister acknowledged the hard work of the Chinese builders that made the “impossible task” a success and became another important result of the cooperation between the two countries.

Although, the total installed capacity of 969,000 kilowatts, the Neelum-Jhelum hydropower station was of special significance to other power plants in Pakistan.

According to the news portal, geographically, the power plant was located on the upper stream of the Indus River, the Jhelum River. It was Pakistan’s first large-scale hydropower station built on the upper reaches of the Indus River.

The news portal said,“It is a unique case of the unique design of the long water diversion tunnel and underground powerhouse built and constructed in Pakistan. It has a small impact on the natural environment.

“The river has a low requirement for drop height, but with it, the difficulty of construction increases. The total length of the underground project is 68 kilometres, the maximum depth is close to two kilometres, and it passes through the large fault zone in the Himalayas.

It is these special features that allow Pakistanis to always have special feelings for the Neelum-Jhelum hydropower station, calling it “Pakistan’s Three Gorges Project.”

On the wall of the conference room of the Neelum-Jhelum Hydropower Project, there are several characters: “Open and inclusive, clear, honest, and enterprising.”

According to Feng, this was what the project builders had concluded in the past ten years. The spirit of the Neelum-Jhelum was based on this spirit. The builders had overcome challenges and difficulties one by one and stepped the project to success.

With the Gezhouba Group further deepening its efforts in the Pakistan hydropower sector, especially the construction of the Sukikinari and Dasu hydropower stations had been launched one after another.

This spirit from the “Three Gorges Project in Pakistan” would also be carried forward at more project sites to help the Pakistani government and the people had built more great hydropower projects that benefit the country and the people

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Postby Peregrine » 04 May 2018 15:58

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Pakistan authorities asked to 'forcefully' pursue with India 'violations' of Indus Water Treaty

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan top civil-military leadership has directed authorities to "forcefully" pursue the alleged violations of Indus Waters Treaty with India and the World Bank, the guarantor of the agreement.

The last round of talks between India and Pakistan over the issue was facilitated by the World Bank in Washington in September.

Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi chaired the 21st meeting of the National Security Committee (NSC) held at Prime Minister's House yesterday.

According to an official statement, the Deputy Chairman of the Planning Commission briefed the meeting on the water policy approved by the Council of Common Interests on April 24, 2018, along with a water charter, which was signed by the Prime Minister and the Chief Ministers of four provinces.

The Committee observed that this was a very significant achievement and if properly implemented could prove instrumental in averting the water crisis that was seriously threatening Pakistan.

Under the provisions of the Indus Waters Treaty, the waters of the eastern rivers - the Sutlej, Beas and Ravi - had been allocated to India and that of the western rivers -the Indus, Jhelum and Chenab - to Pakistan except for certain non-consumptive uses.

Pakistan had approached the World Bank in 2016, raising concerns over the designs of two hydroelectricity projects located in Jammu and Kashmir. It had demanded that the World Bank, which is the mediator between the two countries under the water distribution pact, set up a court of arbitration to look into its concerns.

"The (NSC) Committee also directed the Water Resources Division to forcefully pursue the violations of the Indus Water Treaty by India with the World Bank," according to the statement.

The Committee also reviewed the prevailing situation in the Indian Ocean Region and directed to keep a robust security posture for the maintenance of security and safeguarding national interests of Pakistan.

The participants reviewed the proposed administrative reforms package for Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan.

No details of the reforms have been so far shared officially, but according to various media reports the reforms may include steps to further integrate Gilgit-Baltistan with Pakistan. It is the region though which the multibillion dollars China-Pakistan Economic Corridor passes.

The meeting was attended by the Minister for Interior Ahsan Iqbal, Minister for Finance, Revenue & Economic Affairs Miftah Ismail, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee General Zubair Mahmood Hayat, Chief of Army Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa, Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi, Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan, Director General ISI Lt Gen Naveed Mukhtar and National Security Adviser Nasser Khan Janjua. Three Muppets and Six Muppeteers!

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Postby Peregrine » 19 May 2018 02:18

Pakistan expresses concerns over inauguration of Kishanganga dam project by India

Pakistan on Friday expressed “serious concerns” over the inauguration of the controversial Kishanganga hydropower project by India and termed it a “violation of the Indus Waters Treaty”.

A statement issued by the Foreign Office said, “Pakistan believes that the inauguration of the project without the resolution of the dispute is tantamount to violation of the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT).”

Despite several rounds of bilateral negotiations as well mediations by the World Bank, India continued with the construction of the project, the Foreign Office said, adding that “this intransigence on part of India clearly threatens the sanctity of the Treaty”.

The Foreign Office reiterated that as the custodian of the treaty, the World Bank must urge India to address Pakistan’s reservations on the Kishanganga project.

Pakistan maintains that India had completed the 330MW project during the period the World Bank “paused” the process for constitution of a Court of Arbitration (COA) as requested by Pakistan in early 2016. The Pakistani request was countered by India by calling for a neutral expert.

Pakistan had called for the resolution of disputes over the Kishanganga project on the Neelum river and 850MW Ratle hydropower project on the Chenab.

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Postby Falijee » 19 May 2018 23:09

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Kishanganga Dam - Time For Pakis To Apply Burnal Medication - Again ! :mrgreen:

Pakistan protests India’s inauguration of controversial Kishanganga dam inoccupied Kashmir :roll:

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Postby Peregrine » 20 May 2018 03:32

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India moves to use Indus water against Pak terror

NEW DELHI: Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Saturday inaugurated two hydroelectric projects in Jammu & Kashmir, indicating his government's political will to respond to Pakistan's use of terrorism against India with every option at its command, including using in full India's share of water from western tributaries of the Indus, as possible leverage points.

The inauguration of the 330-MW Kishanganga hydel station in Bandipore and laying of the foundation of the 1,000-MW Pakul Dul project in Kishtwar express the government's intent to follow through PM's decision to review water use within the ambit of the 1960 Indus Water Treaty (IWT) with Pakistan.

The decision to maximise water use was taken after four Pakistan-backed militants attacked the Indian Army base at Uri in Jammu, killing 18 soldiers on September 18, 2016. "Blood and water cannot flow together", Modi had told a meeting of government officials on the Indus treaty 11 days later. The message to Pakistan was clear: stop backing terror attacks on India or lose the liberal water flow in excess of the treaty's provisions at present.

Soon after that decision, three hydel projects on Chenab and its tributary - Sawalkote (1,856 MW), Pakal Dul (1,000 MW) and Bursar (800 MW) - were fast-tracked. Building infrastructure on Indus, Chenab, Jhelum and their tributaries is part of the Modi government's plan to utilise India's share of water from western tributaries of the Indus.

Speeding up pending hydel projects is a key component of what India can do to use as much of Indus water as it can under the water treaty, which allows New Delhi to construct storage capacities on the western rivers up to 3.6 million acre feet (MAF) for various purpose, including domestic use.

Pakistan's water supply is dwindling because of climate change, outdated farming techniques and an exploding population. A 2011 report by the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations said India could use these projects as a way to control Pakistan's supplies from the Indus, seen as its jugular vein. "The cumulative effect of these projects could give India the ability to store enough water to limit the supply to Pakistan at crucial moments in the growing season," the report said.

Most of the projects proposed on the Indus and its tributaries had been held up for at least a decade awaiting clearances. Sawalkote, which was cleared by a government-constituted environment committee in January 2017, was first given techno-economic approval in 1991. Pakal Dul was stuck in litigation, which has now been resolved.

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Postby manjgu » 20 May 2018 07:07

if there is BJP govt in 2019 ... i see projects completed by 2024/25. then we can really suqeeze the Pakis and turn Pukeistan into Arabian desert...

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Postby pralay » 20 May 2018 08:45

Peregrine wrote:X Posted on the Terroristan Thread
India moves to use Indus water against Pak terror

Honestly,
There is urgent need to stop using this kind of language unless we are actually taking out more water than the treaty provisions or have ability to do so.
The language of most of stupid modi fans on social media and media outlets imply that our share of water is subject to bargain against pak stopping terrorism.
It should be rather their share of water subject of bargain, and unless we are in position to make it so, we should not be saying that we are punishing them..yada yada.

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Postby Peregrine » 20 May 2018 14:43

Peregrine wrote:X Posted on the Terroristan Thread
India moves to use Indus water against Pak terror
pralay wrote:Honestly,
There is urgent need to stop using this kind of language unless we are actually taking out more water than the treaty provisions or have ability to do so.
The language of most of stupid modi fans on social media and media outlets imply that our share of water is subject to bargain against pak stopping terrorism.
It should be rather their share of water subject of bargain, and unless we are in position to make it so, we should not be saying that we are punishing them..yada yada.
pralay Ji :
I quote below the Second Paragraph which is the Actual Position of the Government of India in General and Modi Ji in Particular :
The inauguration of the 330-MW Kishanganga hydel station in Bandipore and laying of the foundation of the 1,000-MW Pakul Dul project in Kishtwar express the government's intent to follow through PM's decision to review water use within the ambit of the 1960 Indus Water Treaty (IWT) with Pakistan.
The rest as you rightfully commented is
The language of most of stupid modi fans on social media and media outlets imply that our share of water is subject to bargain against pak stopping terrorism.
Yada Yada indeed - you can say that again!

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Postby manjgu » 20 May 2018 21:41

one of my relatives is big fella at Pakal Dul.. he was saying they are under orders to hasten... and finish it ASAP.

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Postby Peregrine » 21 May 2018 00:12

manjgu wrote:one of my relatives is big fella at Pakal Dul.. he was saying they are under orders to hasten... and finish it ASAP.
majgu Ji : Aap aur "bif fella" Ji kay munh mein Ghee, Shakkar Aur Malai!

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Postby Peregrine » 22 May 2018 14:58

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Kishanganga project: Pak meeting with World Bank kicks off

WASHINGTON: The three-day water talks between the World Bank (WB) and Pakistan began here on Monday to discuss the Indian violations of the Indus Water Treaty.

A four-member delegation led by Attorney General of Pakistan, Ashtar Ausaf reached the World Bank head office to apprise the Bank’s president about the country’s concerns over more than a dozen projects that India intends to complete along the Indus Basin.

Pakistan maintains that these projects will disrupt its water supplies, and insists that the design of Kishanganga Hydel is not in line with the criteria laid down under the Treaty. Pakistan's ambassador to the US, Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry, told media on Saturday that its Foreign Ministry has suggested changes in the basic design to avoid Treaty violations but their proposals were ignored.

The Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi inaugurated the Kishaganga plant on Saturday. Pakistan wants the World Bank to play its role as a mediator. Its Foreign Office on Friday also voiced concerns, saying the inauguration without resolution of the dispute between the two countries is tantamount to violation of the Indus Waters Treaty that regulates the use of waters in shared rivers. The delegation intends to go beyond discussing the Kishanganga and hopes that the financial institution will also address Pakistan' concerns about Ratle and other Indian projects.

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Postby manjgu » 22 May 2018 22:14

the Napakis are in panic mode... they know once Indian projects come up on chenab and we hold water as even agreed in IWT..they are in for big big trouble. my big fella at Pakul Dul said 'pakiyon ki behen aur amma ko ... denge" . No prizes for fillin in the blanks...he said if the TBM comes in and does the job ..they can do it in 6 years with the kind of danda they have up their posteriors... Kishenganga is actually a mickey mouse project compared to others. He said sedimentation load on Kishenganga is very low .. so drawdown flushing not a big thing.

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Postby Vips » 23 May 2018 02:07

Paki's are :(( that india is building dams and it is fun to watch the reaction given by various 'anal'ysts on paki channels.
Here are some gems i have heard so far:
-We gave away the three eastern rivers to India.
-India is stealing our water.
-India is generating electricity from our waters.
-If india is blocking our waters then we should ask China to block water from coming from up there to India.

and this last one is too good

- If India wants to generate electricity in Jammu and Kashmir then it should generate only per requirements of the state, aur zyaada paida hui bijliko kashmir se bahaar hindustan me jaane pur World bank ne rok laga deni chahiye. :rotfl:

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Postby pankajs » 23 May 2018 11:10

https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/999122068066062336
Sidhant Sibal @sidhant

World bank statemnt after Pak delegation raises concerns Indian PM inaugurated 330 MW Kishenganga hydroelectric plant; Says its role limited and procedural. Adds, agreement on the "way forward was not reached"pic.twitter.com/34O3fNANMP

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Postby Vips » 23 May 2018 17:15

In light of their time tested behaviour of declaring victory after every defeat, just waiting to see what type of spin the Pakistanis will give regarding their 'successful meet with world Bank' :mrgreen:

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Postby arun » 23 May 2018 19:23

The Punjabi Military Dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan have individuals who have a great knack for harnessing the reflexive Mohammadden belief based hatred of Non Mohammadden Kaafir Dhimmi majority India of the ordinary mango people Abduls and Ayesha’s of the Islamic Republic in order to crookedly make money.

Express Tribune reports that “National sentiments were exploited while executing the Neelum-Jhelum project by saying that if tunnel-boring machines were not procured for fast-track construction, India would complete the Kishanganga project first which will deprive Pakistan of its water rights” and in the process “few people made billions of rupees, said sources in the Water and Power Development Authority (Wapda) and the Ministry of Planning and Development.”:

While approving fourth revision in cost of the 969-megawatt project’s PC-I, the Executive Committee of National Economic Council (Ecnec) set aside corruption and mismanagement allegations. The project had been initially approved at a cost of Rs15.2 billion in 1989. It took 29 years and Rs506.8 billion to complete the scheme. …………………………….

At the total cost of Rs506.8 billion, the per-megawatt electricity generation cost of Neelum-Jhelum project comes in at Rs523 million – the highest by local and global standards.

The Dasu hydroelectric power project, which is funded by the World Bank, is being developed at a cost of $2.6 million or Rs261 million per unit. National sentiments were exploited while executing the Neelum-Jhelum project by saying that if tunnel-boring machines were not procured for fast-track construction, India would complete the Kishanganga project first which will deprive Pakistan of its water rights.

Pakistan has already lost its case against the Indian project in the International Court of Arbitration and will not be in a position to tap full potential of the Neelum-Jhelum project due to reduced water flow.

Neelum-Jhelum Project: PM inaugurates ‘strategic’ power plant in AJK

Although Pakistan could not complete the project in 2016 despite procuring machines, few people made billions of rupees, said sources in the Water and Power Development Authority (Wapda) and the Ministry of Planning and Development. …………………….


From Express Tribune:

ECNEC approves Neelum-Jhelum project at Rs507b cost

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Postby arun » 23 May 2018 19:33

For good order, a link to go with the above 11.10 am posted World Bank Press Release informing about the meeting with the delegation from the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan regards Indus Water Treaty related matters:

World Bank Statement on Meetings with Pakistan on the Indus Waters Treaty

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Postby venug » 23 May 2018 19:48

https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/999251664916893697
Brahma Chellaney:
The 1960 Indus Waters Treaty grants the World Bank no role as a mediator. (It signed the pact mainly as a guarantor of the initial projects.) Yet the Bank insists on playing mediator. Its latest statement says it will "continue to work with both nations to resolve the issues..."

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Postby arun » 23 May 2018 20:31

^^^ IMO Brahma Chellaney is reading way too much into that particular sentence of what the World Bank said this time around and way too little in the subsequent paragraph where they say “As a signatory to the Treaty, the World Bank’s role is limited and procedural. In particular, the role in relation to “differences” and “disputes” is limited to the designation of people to fulfill certain roles when requested by either or both parties.”.

Then there is what the World Bank has said on this affair in the past. In the past the World Bank had clearly recognised that it cannot play a mediatory role when Senior Vice President and World Bank Group General Counsel Anne-Marie Leroy said “we therefore urge both parties to agree to mediation that the World Bank Group can help arrange”. See World Bank Press Release of November 10, 2016 (World Bank Urges Mediation for India, Pakistan over Indus)

Bottomline is that the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan has no option but to tuck tail between hind legs, down-hill ski and accept India’s magnanimous offer of arbitration by a technical expert. In any event it suits India just fine to let matters remain unresolved.

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Postby Vips » 23 May 2018 21:17



Some gems from above:

-The project had been initially approved at a cost of Rs15.2 billion in 1989. It took 29 years and Rs506.8 billion to complete the scheme.
-National sentiments were exploited while executing the Neelum-Jhelum project by saying that if tunnel-boring machines were not procured for fast-track construction, India would complete the Kishanganga project first which will deprive Pakistan of its water rights.
-Pakistan has already lost its case against the Indian project in the International Court of Arbitration and will not be in a position to tap full potential of the Neelum-Jhelum project due to reduced water flow.
-A government inquiry report has established that the project’s “design was defective”
-Work on 58km-long tunnels were started without studying the rock structure and geology that led to rock burst and damages including loss of human lives
-The Neelum-Jhelum project will not run at its full capacity of 969MW in coming three to four months as unit-4 of 242MW has virtually been dismantled to pull out the rotor that was badly damaged, according to a newspaper report this week.

and saving the best for last:

-At the total cost of Rs506.8 billion, the per-megawatt electricity generation cost of Neelum-Jhelum project comes in at Rs523 million – the highest by local and global standards
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