Indus Water Treaty

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Re: Indus Water Treaty

Postby chetak » 29 Nov 2019 12:24

Barath wrote:
Nikhil T wrote:Can any gurus enlighten why India got into a seemingly unequal treaty? 25% water share with >80% population share? There must be more to it.


Wiki seems straightforward

Pakistan was insisting on historical right to all the waters of Indus tributaries. (the pre-partition distribution). Plus they were arguing that West Punjab would be desertified so they needed the water . On the flip side, India was the upper riparian state and thus had control of the waters. But de facto there was not much development projects on either side to actually use the water. India proposed partition of rivers with 3 eastern river being given to india and 3 western rivers beng given to Pakistan. The World bank essentially agreed to Indian proposal...

Because of long negotiation, India had large development projects for irrigation etc being held up.

The flow in the western rivers is more and thus the water 'share' is more. But India still gets to use/utilise those waters, but not to consume them up, except for domestic and limited agri use. To this day, India is still not using the share of that water fully. (though hopefully it will soon).

If you count population, then population of Pakistan that used these rivers will be huge compared to population that used the rivers in Indian control. Plus India is allowed to use water of 3 western rivers for domestic use , ie for local population.

Pakistan wanted to drag India to International court, ( where they would have likely used pe-partition distribution). India refused.


wiki has not touched upon the cashmere factor and the ameriki influence brought to bear to concede such outrageously and foolishly generous terms to the pakis.

cha cha che che had a hand in this as well. His innate ego was cleverly appealed to and off went most of India's share of the waters.

the guy was an unmitigated disaster.

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Re: Indus Water Treaty

Postby ArjunPandit » 07 May 2020 16:23

https://www.samaa.tv/news/pakistan/2020 ... -pakistan/

India has stopped 14,000 cusecs of water flowing into Pakistan via River Chenab, officials at the Pakistani Ministry of Water Resources said Wednesday.

The flow of water in Chenab has been reduced to 18,000 cusecs, the officials said. It was at 31,800 cusecs on Tuesday.

Due to this, the rice crop is feared to be affected in areas stretching from Marala to Panjnad headworks in Punjab.

India has diverted this water to Baglihar and Ratle dams, the officials added

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Re: Indus Water Treaty

Postby Rsatchi » 08 Aug 2020 12:25

https://www.dawn.com/news/1573214/wb-sa ... er-dispute
WB now washing their hands Off the IWT???
this will create panic in Napak
??Will this be the next move by Modiji
And if it is : Modiji Tussi Great Ho!!!

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Re: Indus Water Treaty

Postby Aditya_V » 08 Aug 2020 12:50

ArjunPandit wrote:https://www.samaa.tv/news/pakistan/2020/05/india-stops-14000-cusecs-of-water-flowing-into-pakistan/

India has stopped 14,000 cusecs of water flowing into Pakistan via River Chenab, officials at the Pakistani Ministry of Water Resources said Wednesday.

The flow of water in Chenab has been reduced to 18,000 cusecs, the officials said. It was at 31,800 cusecs on Tuesday.

Due to this, the rice crop is feared to be affected in areas stretching from Marala to Panjnad headworks in Punjab.

India has diverted this water to Baglihar and Ratle dams, the officials added


Pakistan should adandon Agriculture and go for full livestock and a meat only diet, Mango and other trees should be used as firewood.

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Re: Indus Water Treaty

Postby Manish_P » 08 Aug 2020 13:47

Aditya ji, but what will the livestock eat hain?

And please note that the future PM-in-Waiting, the Penile Pakjihadi from Pindi, recently said in an interview that he is ready to eat grass so as to give more moolah to the uniformed mullahs.

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Re: Indus Water Treaty

Postby SSridhar » 08 Aug 2020 22:33

The WB has taken the right decision by not taking a decision.

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Re: Indus Water Treaty

Postby SSridhar » 10 Aug 2020 08:31

Indus Water Treaty meeting: India suggests video conference, Pakistan insists on talks at Attari border - ToI
India has suggested to Pakistan that the talks for discussing pending issues under the Indus Water Treaty (IWT) be held through video-conferencing in view of the coronavirus pandemic, but Islamabad has been insisting that the parleys be conducted at the Attari check post {Good for us, let us keep delaying talks under one pretext or another} , sources said on Sunday.

In a letter last week, the Indus Commissioner of India told his Pakistani counterpart that it is not conducive to hold the meeting at the Attari Joint Check Post due to the pandemic.

On Pakistan's request, a meeting was scheduled in last week of March to discuss pending issues under the Indus Water Treaty. However, it was deferred due to current pandemic.

Considering the fact that it may take some time for the situation to normalise and international travel to resume, the Indian Commissioner, in the first week of July, proposed to hold the meeting through video conference or any alternative means, sources said.

In response, the Pakistan Commissioner, in his letter sent in last week of July, insisted on holding the conventional meeting at Attari Joint Check Post instead.

“The Indian Commissioner responded stating that the situation in India is still not conducive for travelling of his delegation and holding the meeting at Attari JCP as proposed by his counterpart and may take some time to allow such meeting at Attari JCP or New Delhi as desired by Pakistan,” a source said.

The Indian Commissioner also requested the Pakistan side to consider holding a virtual meeting as a viable option to discuss the pending and new issues, sources added.

They noted that even the diplomatic talks with other countries have been taking place through virtual meetings and the Indus meeting can take place in a similar manner.

Currently, one of the pending issues between the two sides is the disagreement over the Kishenganga and Ratle hydroelectricity projects.

The Kishenganga project had been in operation since 2018 while work on Ratle stands abandoned since 2014 due to a contractual dispute between the Jammu and Kashmir government and the contractor.

After prolonged negotiations, India in 2016 sought appointment of a neutral expert to resolve this issue while Pakistan made a request for appointment of a Court of Arbitration (COA).

In November 2019, after a meeting of the Indian delegation headed by Jal Shakti Ministry Secretary with the World Bank to explore a way forward, it was agreed that the matter may be discussed by the two commissioners as per the Treaty provisions to decide the mode of resolution - by the CoA or a neutral expert.

The World Bank initially proceeded with both the process of appointment of a neutral expert and constituting the Court of Arbitration but later, in December 2016, it instituted a ‘pause' on both the processes to allow the two parties to bilaterally choose one option with the help of its good offices, sources said.

Under the Treaty, the World Bank only has a procedural role and there is no provision for the global financial institution to take an independent decision in this regard.

The pause is still continuing. In between two trilateral meetings at the secretary-level were held in Washington at World Bank office in August and September 2017 but the logjam persisted, the sources added.

After the November 2019 talks, the Indian Commissioner invited his Pakistani counterpart in February 2020 to hold the meeting of the Permanent Indus Commission.

The meeting was scheduled in March but had to be postponed due to the pandemic.

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Re: Indus Water Treaty

Postby nachiket » 11 Aug 2020 03:29

Delaying is only good for us if we continue construction of the projects in the meantime. The foundation stone for the Ratle project was laid in 2013 but the actual construction only started in Dec 2019. I hope the construction is going on in full swing while we do this chai-biskoot with the pakis.

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Re: Indus Water Treaty

Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Aug 2020 15:58

SSridhar wrote:The WB has taken the right decision by not taking a decision.

could this be pressure tactics by khan to bring paxis back in their camp

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Re: Indus Water Treaty

Postby chetak » 11 Aug 2020 17:52

nachiket wrote:Delaying is only good for us if we continue construction of the projects in the meantime. The foundation stone for the Ratle project was laid in 2013 but the actual construction only started in Dec 2019. I hope the construction is going on in full swing while we do this chai-biskoot with the pakis.


the pakis are desperate to resume political contacts with India and through that the cross border trade. They need medicines, fuel, vegetables and many other items of food stuff.

they are bleeding out after being hurt badly by the hans, saudis and their ummah pals

This is not about the IWT

If it were, video talks would have served the puropse.

they are looking to fool us again and we are slowly getting to that point where we are going to let them.

There is immense pressure from the US to resume talks with the pakis which bajwa desperately needs from India

they need the cross border trade to stop their paki scum population from revolting.

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Re: Indus Water Treaty

Postby Vips » 08 Jan 2021 05:40

Government clears 8 hydropower projects on Indus in Ladakh.

The government has cleared eight hydropower projects of 144 MW on the Indus river and its tributaries in Ladakh, the highest so far, sources in the Jal Shakti Ministry said on Thursday.

At present, there are several small projects, with a collective capacity of 113 MW on Indus in Ladakh, and the new projects will have much more capacity than those constructed so far, a senior official added.

The official said the new projects have been cleared by the Central Water Commission as well as the Indus Commissioner after a separate Union Territory of Ladakh was announced last year. These projects will come up in Kargil and Leh districts of Ladakh.

Because of its topography, it is not feasible to construct big hydropower projects in the Ladakh region.

Durbuk Shyok (19 MW), Shankoo (18.5 MW), Nimu Chilling (24 MW), Rongdo (12 MW), Ratan Nag (10.5 MW) hydropower projects have been cleared for Leh, while Mangdum Sangra (19 MW), Kargil Hunderman (25 MW) and Tamasha (12 MW) have been cleared for Kargil, the official added.

Many of the existing projects as small as 1 MW of capacity.

The construction of the new projects will begin after other mandatory clearances are obtained, the official said. "The designs of these projects have been certified as compliant with the Indus Waters Treaty by the Central Water Commission. The information on the design of these projects is being provided to Pakistan as per the provisions of the treaty," the official said.

"The development of projects on the Indus river has been slow, especially in the Ladakh region. Only two major projects have been constructed so far - Chutak project of 44 MW on Suru, a tributary of the Indus, and Nimoo Bazgo of 45 MW on the Indus," the official said.

Under the Indus Waters Treaty between New Delhi and Islamabad, the usage of water of Indus and its five tributaries flowing from India to Pakistan have been divided.

The treaty specifies that waters of three eastern rivers namely Ravi, Beas and Sutlej, have been reserved for India while that of western rivers, namely Indus, Chenab and Jhelum, are for Pakistan.

However, India claims it has unrestricted rights to develop hydroelectric power projects on the western rivers within the specified parameters of design. Of the total 168 million acre-feet, India's share of water from Ravi, Beas and Sutlej is 33 mcf, which is nearly 20%. :evil: (A S S H O L E Nehru)

India uses nearly 93-94% of its share under the Indus Water Treaty. The rest of the water remains unutilised and goes to Pakistan. The efforts to tap that water through a number of projects like Ujh Multipurpose project, Shahpurkandi Dam project and the second Ravi Beas Link are being made, the official added.


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