Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism

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Re: Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism

Postby UlanBatori » 06 Jun 2017 01:47

Why would one not name the 3rd attacker?
The third attacker has been identified, police said, but his name has not been publicly released.
Twelve people were arrested following the attack. On Monday, Met Police said 10 of them were still being held.
Latest developments
One attacker had a connection to Ireland, a source briefed by an Irish counterterrorism official said.
CNN's Melissa Bell spoke to residents there who recognized a familiar face among the three dead attackers, identifying him as one of their neighbors and describing him as a family man who kept to himself.
Barking resident Erica Gasperri said she went to the police after she saw a man, believed to be the attacker, teaching the local children about Islam.
"All of a sudden we saw this individual speaking to the kids ... showing them how to pray," she said. "I could see them from my window."
:eek: :shock:

Teach kids how to pray - get arrested. THIS is the land of King Arthur? Not 2 mention Henry the 8th?
UBCNews projects the answer:
3rd attacker was named Bilal Musharraf bin Bhutto Gujranwali, of dubious parentage even by Paki standards. Went around calling total strangers "GrandPapa!" because of said confusion about lineage.

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Postby Rudradev » 06 Jun 2017 05:15

And his biting was worse than his Barking.

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Postby arun » 06 Jun 2017 06:15

arun wrote:


Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reports that one of the Mohammadden Terrorists involved in the London Bridge attack was born in the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Jun 4, 2017 at 1:17 pm ET

London Attack Had International Connection

At least one of the three London Bridge attackers was born in Pakistan, a Western security official said.

It couldn't be learned when the man came to Britain, or whether he had acquired British nationality. The nationalities of the other two London Bridge attackers were also not clear. ………………

-- Benoit Faucon


From WSJ here:

London Hit by Deadly Terror Attack


UK Police release names of two of the three involved in the London Bridge attack.

Unsurprisingly a link to the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan emerges. One of the attackers is identified as “a Pakistan-born British citizen”, Khuram Shazad Butt.

The other attacker is identified as Rachid Redouane aka Rachid Elkhdar who is identified as “Moroccan and Libyan”/

Both of the named attackers, going by name, are adherents of Mohammaddenism making the London Bridge attack yet another case of Islamic Terrorism carried out by Mohammaddens during the significant to Mohammaddens month of Ramzan aka Ramadan.

Does the Butt surname, make Khuram Shazad Butt a brainwashed and misguided individual from the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan Occupied Jammu & Kashmir :?: :

Khuram Butt and Rachid Redouane named as two of three London Bridge attackers

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Postby Amber G. » 06 Jun 2017 11:00

Something for experts here to follow/comment/inform .

Some people are reporting That Butt Mian (and his group) was related to Al Muhajiroun (Banned now in England but has morphed into "Islam4UK", or al-Ghurabaa or "The Saved Sect, "Need4Khilafah,
" Shariah Project" etc) at least that's where lot of his friends (like Omar Bakri Muhammad and Anjem Choudary ) are being investigated..

The group had safe houses in Pakistan in past - Lahore - for "UK Muslims" and many think still do. (Some of these safe houses were mentioned in news paper reports)
(For example see this old news paper article - http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.timesonline.co.uk%2Ftol%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Farticle547466.ece&date=2010-10-24

I hope British / US / Indian intelligence should really dig deeper - likely bigger Pakistani connection then one is suspecting.

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Postby Amber G. » 06 Jun 2017 11:11

^^^ I did some googleing...with connected names and get this for example:
Al-Muhajiroun
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Revolvy Quiz Al-Muhajiroun
Al-Muhajiroun ( Arabic : المهاجرون ‎‎; The Emigrants) is a banned extremist Salafi jihadist terrorist organisation that was based in the United Kingdom and which has been linked to international terrorism , homophobia and antisemitism . The group operated in the United Kingdom from 14 January 1986 until the British Government announced an intended ban in August 2005. The group became notorious for its September 2002 conference, "The Magnificent 19", praising the September 11, 2001 attacks . The group mutates periodically so as to evade the law; it then operates under different aliases. It was proscribed under the UK Terrorism Act 2000 on 14 January 2010 together with four other organisations including Islam4UK , and again in 2014 as "Need4Khilafah". Al-Muhajiroun has also run a Lahore safe house for visiting British Muslims. Michael Adebolajo, the man convicted of killing Lee Rigby in a terrorist attack in Woolwich , attended Al-Muhajiroun meetings and demonstrations. Aims Al-Muhajiroun's proclaimed ai


Link:http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LUysqZbYftQJ:revolvy.net/main/index.php%3Fs%3DIslamic%2520Organisation%2520%2522Young%2520Afghanistan%2522%26sr%3D50+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Or http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/radical-islamist-group-al-muhajiroun-linked-to-half-of-british-terror-attacks-in-past-20-years-10128492.html

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Postby yensoy » 06 Jun 2017 11:47

Amber G. wrote:I hope British / US / Indian intelligence should really dig deeper - likely bigger Pakistani connection then one is suspecting.


Why should we dig deeper? We know where the blame lies but victim in this case won't learn and is hell bent on remaining in denial, so let them enjoy the outcome. Not our problem. We can probe and we must probe but only for our own safety. No need to share any intelligence.

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Postby Amber G. » 06 Jun 2017 12:06

Here is from bbc - (published *after* my post) but seems to say the same thing....
...It's still not clear when Khuram Butt got involved in radical Islamist politics, but there is ample evidence that he was involved in the al-Muhajiroun network - certainly in 2015 and potentially at least two years earlier still.
The main evidence comes from his appearance in a Channel 4 documentary, The Jihadis Next Door, broadcast last year.
The film was a close encounter with part of the ALM network and one of its subjects was Siddhartha Dhar, one of Anjem Choudary's right-hand men.
Dhar later skipped bail for Syria. Once there, he appeared in a black mask in an IS execution video.
Butt's links may go back further still. Mohammed Shafiq of the Manchester-based Ramadhan Foundation, an anti-extremism group, says that he believes he was verbally assaulted by Butt in 2013 - the day after another ALM follower killed Fusilier Lee Rigby in Woolwich, south-east London.

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Postby Anoop.G » 06 Jun 2017 14:21

Are the Porki's now creating another distraction? Just saw this today...Sad to see this escalating again...

On 33rd anniversary of Operation Blue Star, Sikhs chant for Khalistan

http://dnai.in/eDb8

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Postby vinod » 06 Jun 2017 17:42

I think we are at the peak of this phase of Islamic terrorism.
I see a lot of things happening...
1. Trump and his almost non-existent support for Islamic terrorism. (whether state dept and CIA follows is much to be seen..)
2. ISIS is losing.
3. West has seen the worst now and they know they can't control this monster.
4. The rift amongst sunnis.
5. Pakis being almost becoming a bankrupt state and no support from sunni masters - doubt Chinese will bankroll it. Various snubs towards pakis have been too much for them to take. So state support apart that directed against India and Afghan will be gone soon.

so, all in all, things have taken a turn... what do you guys think?

PS: Its the right time to go for the deep surgery in kashmir and other Islamic terrorism infected areas in India.

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Re: Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism

Postby JE Menon » 08 Jun 2017 11:47

Al Muhajiroun was one of the first to emerge onto the public scene as an Islamic group - born in the West - trying to expand its presence into the Muslim world, so to speak. It was successful up to a point, but it took a regular hammering both in the West and in the Middle East. Graduates of Al Muhajiroun who have since turned anti-Islamist critics and very much now in the public eye include Maajid Nawaz (of Pak origin, and sometimes referred to as Indian origin) and Ahmed Deen - who are now CEO & MD of the Quilliam Foundation, respectively. Maajid Nawaz is frequently on TV channels, and is writing a book (or has written one I think) together with Sam Harris.

Al Muhajiroun, though, lives on.

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Re: Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism

Postby arun » 04 Jul 2017 07:55

Protest in Belgium by Afghans against the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s State policy of fomenting Mohammadden Terrorism in Afghanistan:

Afghans in Brussels stage protest against Pakistan

By Javed Hamim Kakar On Jul 03, 2017 - 14:59 KABUL (Pajhwok):

The Afghans living in Brussels, the capital of Belgium, staged a rally in support of Afghan security forces and the government and against Pakistan.

Shan Pacha Shinwari, an organiser of the rally, told Pajhwok Afghan News the demonstration held in front of European Parliament was attended by dozens of Afghans.

He said a number of Afghans came from other European countries to Brussels to take part in the rally in support of peace and stability in Afghanistan.

Shinwari added the protestors chanted slogans against Pakistan and the terrorist groups enjoying safe havens in that country. Participants reminded the world, particularly the European Parliament, that terrorist hideouts in Pakistan not only disrupted security in Afghanistan, but also threatened the whole region, he said.

He alleged the terrorists trained in Pakistan were sent to Afghanistan for carrying out attacks. The rally told the international community to declare Pakistan a state sponsor of terrorists. Shinwari said the protestors shared their demands and a resolution with the European Parliament.

The resolution letter, a copy of which was obtained by Pajhwok, urged the international community to impose political, economic and military sanctions on Pakistan and drag Pakistan’s military to the International Court of Justice.

The letter also asked NATO to continue supporting the Afghan security forces. The protestors called on the US to fully implement the Bilateral Security Agreement (BSA) it had signed with the Afghan government.


From here:

Pajhwok Afghan News

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Postby arun » 04 Jul 2017 10:52

Excerpt from the Joint Statement of India and the United States of America issued during the June 2017 visit of our Prime Minister Narendra Modi to the US dealing with Mohammadden Terrorism fomented in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Shoulder-to-Shoulder Against Terrorism

The Leaders stressed that terrorism is a global scourge that must be fought and terrorist safe havens rooted out in every part of the world. They resolved that India and the United States will fight together against this grave challenge to humanity. They committed to strengthen cooperation against terrorist threats from groups including Al-Qa’ida, ISIS, Jaish-e-Mohammad, Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, D-Company, and their affiliates. India appreciated the United States designation of the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen leader as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist as evidence of the commitment of the United States to end terror in all its forms. In this spirit, the leaders welcomed a new consultation mechanism on domestic and international terrorist designations listing proposals.

The leaders called on Pakistan to ensure that its territory is not used to launch terrorist attacks on other countries. They further called on Pakistan to expeditiously bring to justice the perpetrators of the 26/11 Mumbai, Pathankot, and other cross-border terrorist attacks perpetrated by Pakistan-based groups.

The leaders announced increased cooperation to prevent terrorist travel and to disrupt global recruitment efforts by expanding intelligence-sharing and operational-level counterterrorism cooperation. They welcomed commencement of the exchange of information on known and suspected terrorists for travel screening. They further resolved to strengthen information exchange on plans, movements and linkages of terrorist groups and their leaders, as well as on raising and moving of funds by terrorist groups.

The leaders also affirmed their support for a U.N. Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism that will advance and strengthen the framework for global cooperation and reinforce the message that no cause or grievance justifies terrorism. They also pledged to work together to prevent proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and their delivery systems and to deny access to such weapons by terrorists and non-state actors.


From our MEA Website:

Joint Statement - United States and India: Prosperity Through Partnership

From the US White House Website:

United States and India: Prosperity Through Partnership

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Postby arun » 04 Jul 2017 11:08

The comment “The leaders called on Pakistan to ensure that its territory is not used to launch terrorist attacks on other countries. They further called on Pakistan to expeditiously bring to justice the perpetrators of the 26/11 Mumbai, Pathankot, and other cross-border terrorist attacks perpetrated by Pakistan-based groups” and “the United States designation of the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen leader as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist”, had mightily riled the Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan :lol: .

Press Statement on the US-India Joint Statement of 27 June 2017

(2017-06-28) We have taken note of the US-India Joint Statement issued from Washington D.C. on 27 June 2017.

The Joint Statement is singularly unhelpful in achieving the objective of strategic stability and durable peace in the South Asian region. By failing to address key sources of tension and instability in the region, the statement aggravates an already tense situation.

The meeting in Washington D.C. between President Trump and Prime Minister Modi was a missed opportunity to induce India to alter its policies inimical to peace in the region. India's persistent gross human rights violations in Kashmir and state backed persecution of religious minorities in India need to be replaced by respect for basic human dignity, protection of life, property and freedom of speech. Democratic stewardship, as claimed in the statement, demands that as a minimum.

Pakistan firmly believes in the legitimacy of the Kashmir cause and supports the peaceful struggle of the Kashmiri people for their right to self determination- a right promised to them by the international community through repeated UN Security Council resolutions. Any attempt to equate the peaceful indigenous Kashimiri struggle with terrorism, and to designate individuals supporting the right to self determination as terrorists is unacceptable. Equally unacceptable is the willful disregard of the atrocities being committed by Indian security forces against innocent Kashimiri civilians. This undermines the ideals and principles of the UN Charter. It endangers peace and security in the region.

Pakistan stands ready and committed to resolve all outstanding disputes, especially Jammu & Kashmir, with India through peaceful means and in accordance with UN Security Council resolutions that underscore the importance of addressing the aspirations of the people of Kashmir. This is a commitment that India also needs to make publicly.

Pakistan has been the primary victim of terrorism in the region. Pakistan's contributions and sacrifices in fighting terrorism are un-matched. No country has sacrificed as much as Pakistan, not only in material resources but in lives. Through relentless security operations, we have achieved significant success in eliminating terrorists and their networks from our soil without discrimination. We are committed to bring the fight against terrorism to its logical conclusion by eliminating this scourge from our soil. Pakistan expects the international community to unequivocally stand with it in this fight against terrorism.

Regrettably, those who seek to appropriate a leadership role in the fight against terror are themselves responsible for much of the terror unleashed in recent years in Pakistan. India has supported the Tehrek-Taleban as a proxy against Pakistan from across the border. India's culpability in creating this further source of regional insecurity cannot be ignored.

Pakistan is also deeply concerned on the sale of advanced military technologies to India. Such sales accentuate military imbalances in the region and undermine strategic stability in South Asia. This further emboldens India to adopt aggressive military doctrines and even contemplate military adventurism. Transfers of modern military hardware and technologies as well as repeated exceptions made for India have dis-incentivized India to engage in efforts to establish a strategic restraint regime and a durable security architecture in the region.


Islamabad
28 June 2017


Above from the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs Website:

Press Statement on the US-India Joint Statement of 27 June 2017

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Postby arun » 04 Jul 2017 11:15

'Global terrorist' Syed Salahuddin boasts to Pakistan TV channel that he 'carried out terror attacks in India' :

Times Of India

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Postby arun » 04 Jul 2017 11:15

Our Ministry of External Affairs on the matter of the Mohammadden Terrorist, Syed Salauddin, of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan based Mohammadden Terrorist group Hizb-ul-Mujahideen boasting of committing acts of Mohammadden Terrorism in India on a Pakistani television channel

Official spokesperson's response to a query regarding interview by Syed Salauddin to a Pakistan TV Channel

July 03, 2017


In response to a query regarding the interview by global terrorist Syed Salauddin, the Pakistan-based self-styled head of the United Jihad Council and Chief of internationally designated terrorist organisation Hizb-ul-Mujahideen, telecast by a Pakistan TV Channel on 2 July 2017, the official Spokesperson said:

"The brazen admission by Syed Salauddin of perpetrating terrorist attacks on India and having the capacity to carry out such attacks at any place and time in India is a further proof of Pakistan’s continuing policy of cross border terrorism. His confession of assistance in such activities from Pakistan also affirms the complicity of Pakistan’s state structure in using terrorist proxies as a matter of policy against the neighbours.

The interview only highlights the unabashed manner in which terrorist organisations and leaders enjoy freedom of operations in Pakistan, including access to terror financing and procurement and supply of weapons for terrorism.

It is a matter of deep regret that senior Pakistan functionaries continue to justify and defend the activities of such internationally designated terrorist entities and leaders who are responsible for killing thousands of innocent civilians over the past three decades.

Pakistan must give up its policy of cross-border terrorism, fulfill its obligations under international resolutions and stop all activities of terrorists from the territory under Pakistan's control.”


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Official spokesperson's response to a query regarding interview by Syed Salauddin to a Pakistan TV Channel

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Postby arun » 07 Jul 2017 15:17

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Peregrine wrote:'Pakistan's strategy of using terror proxies costly, ineffective'

WASHINGTON: The Trump administration needs to place "greater pressure" on Pakistan to make it realise that its "longstanding strategy" of using terror proxies in war-torn Afghanistan is both costly and ineffective, according to a top US expert.

Pakistan has not deviated from its basic commitment to supporting its favoured proxies in Afghanistan, Daniel Markey from Global Policy Program at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies said in an op-ed in The Cipher Brief, a global security news platform.

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The referenced article by Daniel Markey in The Cipher Brief.

Pakistan’s Proxy Strategy Principal Cause of Mistrust for U.S.

Expert Commentary...

Pakistan’s Proxy Strategy Principal Cause of Mistrust for U.S.

July 6, 2017 | Daniel Markey

Despite Pakistani claims to have taken action against all terrorist groups on its soil, U.S. government officials have continued to signal that neither anti-Afghan Taliban groups like the Haqqani Network or anti-Indian groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) have been specifically targeted in any of the Pakistani military's security operations. To the contrary, media reports suggest that Haqqani members have been warned of impending operations beforehand. Top LeT leaders still speak before large gatherings in Pakistan’s major cities. The Obama Administration was unable to certify to Congress that Pakistan had taken steps against the Haqqanis, and U.S. President Donald Trump’s joint statement with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi last week reflects Washington’s continuing dissatisfaction with Pakistan on the problem of cross-border terrorism.

Pakistan’s inadequate action against the Haqqani network and other groups is routinely portrayed by its own leadership as a matter of prioritizing threats. Naturally, they explain, Pakistan is itself a victim of terrorism and is devoting its greatest resources to fighting anti-state groups at home like the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP). In time, they claim, Pakistan will tackle other groups that threaten their neighbors.

Years ago, these claims were somewhat more convincing than they are today. The notion that Pakistan had to first get its own house in order before taking on more ambitious agendas was at least logical, if not terribly satisfying. But over time, U.S. officials have lost patience. They continue to see evidence of official Pakistani collusion with these groups without countervailing indications of any real crackdown.

American analysts have been left to conclude that Pakistan perceives strategic utility from its ties with the Haqqanis, a favored proxy force in Afghanistan. In this respect, Pakistan's policy in Afghanistan has not wavered significantly since the early post-9/11 period. Fearing that unfriendly forces, perhaps even a pro-Indian government, would control Afghanistan, and assuming that the United States would eventually depart the scene, Pakistan has stuck by its traditional allies, and now, 16 years later, these same groups continue to provide Pakistan significant influence over Afghanistan's future, albeit only as a spoiler.

Pakistan's commitment to this proxy strategy is the principal cause of mistrust and tension with the United States. It is not the only reason for instability in Afghanistan, but it is a main one, and it is the primary threat to peace with India, where the next terrorist outrage could always escalate into war.

Strictly speaking, Pakistan’s leaders are not lying when they claim to prefer stability in Afghanistan, not least because Pakistan is now battling its own insurgents, the TTP, who find safe haven inside Afghanistan. Pakistan is a big loser from Afghanistan's instability, as it has been for decades.

That said, Pakistan is simply not convinced that turning against its Afghan proxies would end instability inside Afghanistan. Pakistanis tend to perceive that the Afghan state is very weak and not capable of controlling its territory without massive external assistance. They suspect that U.S./NATO support for Kabul is likely to dry up before Afghanistan becomes self-sufficient. Moreover, Pakistanis anticipate that any serious move against the Haqqanis would come at a steep cost; the Haqqanis would turn their guns on Pakistan and, perhaps worst of all, Pakistan would sacrifice its most effective tools against Indian influence in Afghanistan.

As a consequence, Pakistan has not deviated from its basic commitment to supporting its favored proxies in Afghanistan. Pakistani leaders would prefer that Washington accept their concerns as legitimate and lend support to a brokered peace process for Afghanistan that would deliver a significant share of national power to pro-Pakistan groups and demonstrate Islamabad’s dominant regional role.

To date, however, even when Washington has participated in the Afghan “reconciliation” process, it has refused to adopt Pakistan’s position. For the United States, the diplomatic goal is to secure peace for an independent Afghan state that would no longer spawn international terrorists, not to hand Islamabad a victory against India and Pashtun nationalists. The irreconcilable differences between U.S. and Pakistani positions, along with skepticism shared by Kabul and the Afghan Taliban about the value of diplomacy, explain why talks have yielded so little progress in recent years.

Washington has, on multiple occasions, succeeded in getting Pakistan to bring Taliban negotiators to the table. The trouble is that these negotiators – and their Pakistani patrons – have not shown themselves to be serious when it comes to seeking a negotiated settlement. To the contrary, U.S. officials perceive that the Taliban have used talks as a stalling tactic and a pretext for other diplomatic games intended to confer greater international legitimacy on the insurgency and to call into question that of the Afghan government in Kabul.

With the U.S. expected to send an additional 4,000 troops to Afghanistan in the near future, the Trump Administration appears to believe that reversing former President Barack Obama’s effort to withdraw U.S. forces from Afghanistan could lead the Taliban and their Pakistani backers to recalculate the utility of peace talks. Moreover, Obama’s critics are right to cite his artificially short surge timelines as one reason for the failure of his Afghanistan strategy. A credible commitment is a necessary part of wearing down any adversary, especially an insurgency.

Then again, the Afghan Taliban are still equally likely to believe they can escalate the violence and wear down the patience of this new White House as they did the last one. The incremental addition of U.S. and NATO troops may temporarily slow or stall Taliban advances, but is not likely reverse them.

As for placing greater pressure on Pakistan to change course, the United States needs to demonstrate that Pakistan's longstanding strategy of using terrorist proxies is both costly and ineffective. Sadly, that message was never delivered convincingly by the George W. Bush or Obama administrations.

Costs can be raised – for instance, by conditioning or ending U.S. aid, and even threatening to name Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism and imposing sanctions. Of course, these steps could also risk U.S. interests in other aspects of the relationship with Pakistan and should not be taken lightly.

Even these coercive steps are not likely to work unless Pakistan's leaders also believe that changing course will make them more able to advance their core interests in Afghanistan. Short of the U.S.-led coalition actually “winning” the war on the battlefield – a task that proved beyond the means of over 100,000 U.S./NATO forces – such a reversal of Pakistan's perspective is most likely to happen if U.S. forces get significantly better at targeting Haqqani and Taliban leadership. Pakistan might then finally question the effectiveness of its Afghan proxies and conclude that a peace settlement, even one mainly on Kabul’s terms, represents the best available option.

In short, an escalation of U.S. military action directed at Taliban leadership with the principal aim of compelling negotiations is now probably Washington’s best hope for anything other than a very long Afghan stalemate, or worse, another escalation of violence that could collapse the Kabul government and prompt a humiliating American withdrawal.

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Re: Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism

Postby arun » 08 Jul 2017 08:36

Perplexing that US Military and Political bigwigs only see the light of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting ways, if at all, after they demit office :roll: . Until they demit office US Military and Political bigwigs permit the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s to extract billions of Dollars of US Taxpayer money :evil: despite an open display of the Islamic Republic’s Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting ways.

Article titled “The Problem In Afghanistan Is Pakistan” by Lawrence Sellin, Ph.D. who is described as “a retired US Army Reserve colonel, an IT command and control subject matter expert, trained in Arabic and Kurdish, and a veteran of Afghanistan, northern Iraq and a humanitarian mission to West Africa.”

The Problem In Afghanistan Is Pakistan

Lawrence Sellin
Retired Colonel, U.S. Army Reserve
4:06 PM 07/07/2017

Regarding a new strategy for Afghanistan, even Pakistan’s former ambassador to the United States says that a tougher approach needs to be adopted toward his country:

The Bush administration gave Pakistan $12.4 billion in aid, and the Obama administration forked over $21 billion. These incentives did not make Pakistan more amenable to cutting off support for the Afghan Taliban.

The U.S. cannot win in Afghanistan as long as Pakistan controls the resupply of our troops and regulates the battle tempo through its support of the Taliban, the Haqqani network and the other Islamic terrorist groups it nurtures.

And make no mistake, Pakistan does not want the U.S. to win because it views Afghanistan as a client state.

In addition to reducing foreign aid to a trickle, Pakistan has other potential pain points.

Recently introduced by Reps. Ted Poe (R-TX) and Rick Nolan (D-MN), but quickly tabled by a limp-wristed Republican House, HR 3000 sought to revoke Pakistan’s status as a major non-NATO ally (MNNA) granted by President George W. Bush in 2004 to encourage “Islama-bad” to support the fight against the Taliban and al Qaeda.

As a MNNA country, Pakistan became “eligible for priority delivery of defense material, an expedited arms sale process, and a U.S. loan guarantee program, which backs up loans issued by private banks to finance arms exports. It can also stockpile U.S. military hardware, participate in defense research and development programs, and be sold more sophisticated weaponry.”

Pakistan returned that favor by allowing the Taliban to rest, regroup and resupply inside its territory and played host and protector to Osama bin Laden from 2005 until his death at the hands of U.S. Navy SEALs in 2011.

Even the Islam-friendly Obama Administration was forced to withhold $300 million in military reimbursements because Pakistan was not taking adequate action against the Haqqani network.

Those facts, plus the plethora of other violent radical Islamic groups currently operating in and from Pakistan could justify declaring it a state sponsor of terrorism.

Probably the greatest of all potential Pakistani pain points is ethnic separatism.

Pakistan is not so much a nation, but a collection of simultaneous arguments, an artificial political entity created by the British during the partition of India, founded entirely on the ideology of Islam and composed primarily of five ethnic groups that never coexisted – the Bengalis, Punjabis, Pashtuns, Sindhis and Baloch.

The “Islamization” program initiated by Pakistan President Zia-ul-Haq (1977-1988) was specifically designed to suppress ethnic separatism and make Pakistan the global Sunni leader, an effort that eventually led to the proliferation of Islamic terrorist groups within its borders.

If Pakistan continues to use the Taliban and the Haqqani network as instruments of its foreign policy in Afghanistan, the exploitation of ethnic separatism within Pakistan, such as in Balochistan, remains an option. That is, fight an insurgency with an insurgency.

Another consideration is to challenge the Durand Line, the arbitrary 1896 border drawn by British diplomat Sir Mortimer Durand, whereby Pashtun lands currently in Pakistan could be incorporated into Afghanistan to prevent Pakistan from using its Pashtun population as Taliban cannon fodder.

Clearly, rounding up the usual collection of incentives has not changed Pakistan’s strategy. It is time to change ours.

Admittedly, Pakistan will respond negatively to such an approach, but even the worst case scenario will only hasten an outcome that is inevitable if the U.S. continues its present strategy in Afghanistan. That is, a humiliating defeat, a return to pre-9/11 conditions in Afghanistan and the exclusion of the U.S. as a significant player in South Asia for generations.

The choice is simple – either recognize that Pakistan perpetuates the war in Afghanistan and do something about it or get out now.


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The Problem In Afghanistan Is Pakistan

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Postby arun » 21 Jul 2017 07:48

The United States of Amrica names its Major Non NATO Ally aka MUNNA, the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, as a Terrorist Safe Haven.

Excerpt from the US State Department “Country Reports on Terrorism 2016”:

Chapter 5: Terrorist Safe Havens (Update to 7120 Report)
BUREAU OF COUNTERTERRORISM AND COUNTERING VIOLENT EXTREMISM
Country Reports on Terrorism 2016
Report
Terrorist Safe Havens (Update to 7120 Report)

Terrorist safe havens described in this report include ungoverned, under-governed, or ill‑governed physical areas where terrorists are able to organize, plan, raise funds, communicate, recruit, train, transit, and operate in relative security because of inadequate governance capacity, political will, or both.

As defined by section 2656f(d) of Title 22 of the U.S. Code, the term “terrorist sanctuary” or “sanctuary” excludes the territory of a country the government of which is subject to a determination under section 2405(j)(1)(A) of the Appendix to Title 50; section 2371(a) of Title 22; or section 2780(d) of Title 22– the state sponsors of terrorism. Accordingly, information regarding Iran, Sudan, and Syria can be found in Chapter 3, State Sponsors of Terrorism. ……………………

Pakistan. Numerous terrorist groups, including the Haqqani Network (HQN), Lashkar e-Tayyiba (LeT), and Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), continued to operate from Pakistani soil in 2016. Although LeT is banned in Pakistan, LeT’s wings Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) and Falah-i-Insaniat Foundation (FiF) were able to openly engage in fundraising, including in the capital. LeT’s chief Hafiz Saeed (a UN-designated terrorist) continued to address large rallies, although in February 2017, Pakistan proscribed him under relevant provisions of Schedule Four of the Anti-Terrorism Act, thus severely restricting his freedom of movement. The 2015 ban on media coverage of Saeed, JuD, and FiF continued and was generally followed by broadcast and print media. The Pakistani government did not publicly reverse its December 2015 declaration that neither JuD nor FiF is banned in Pakistan, despite their listing under UN sanctions regimes, although in January 2017, Pakistan placed both organizations “under observation” pursuant to Schedule Two of the Anti-Terrorism Act. While not a ban, this allows the government to closely scrutinize the activities of both organizations. On November 11, Pakistan’s National Counterterrorism Authority published its own list of banned organizations that placed JuD in a separate section for groups that are “Under Observation,” but not banned. Pakistan continued military operations to eradicate terrorist safe havens in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas, although their impact on all terrorist groups was uneven.

Throughout 2016, the Government of Pakistan administered an Exit Control List intended to prevent terrorists from traveling abroad. …………………….


From the US State Department Website:

Chapter 5: Terrorist Safe Havens (Update to 7120 Report)

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Pentagon says it will not pay Pakistan military reimbursements this year :

Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon will not make the remaining military reimbursements to Pakistan for fiscal year 2016 after U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis told Congress Islamabad had not taken sufficient action against the Haqqani network, a U.S. official said on Friday.

"The funds could not be released to the Government of Pakistan at this time because the secretary could not certify that Pakistan has taken sufficient action against the Haqqani Network per the requirement in the FY 2016 National Defense Authorization Act," Adam Stump, a Pentagon spokesman, told Reuters.

The decision comes as President Donald Trump's administration is exploring potentially hardening its approach toward Pakistan to crack down on militants launching strikes in neighboring Afghanistan.

"This decision does not prejudge the conclusions of the White House review of South Asia strategy, which is still ongoing," Stump said.

Relations between the two countries have been frayed over the past decade, with U.S. officials frustrated by what they term Islamabad's unwillingness to act against Islamist groups such as the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani network.

This is not the first time the Pentagon has decided not to make military reimbursements. Last year, the Pentagon withheld $300 million in reimbursements.

Pakistan has been reimbursed $550 million of the $900 million the country was authorized to receive in fiscal year 2016.

Out of remainder, $300 million had already been reprogrammed for other purposes, but had not been previously reported. Mattis' latest decision affects the remaining $50 million.

The amount is under the Coalition Support Fund (CSF), a U.S. Defense Department program to reimburse allies that have incurred costs in supporting counter-terrorist and counter-insurgency operations.

Reporting by Idrees Ali; Editing by Jeffrey Benkoe and Andrea Ricci

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Pentagon Stops $300 Million Payment to Pakistan, Citing Terrorist Fight:

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X Posted from the Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism thread.

At the Aspen Security Forum, Ambassador of Afghanistan to the US, Hamdullah Mohib, calls out the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan for just that; fomenting Mohammadden Terrorism:

"Pakistan is a major threat, not just to us but to your security"


"Treating it as a partner in counter-terrorism is a mistake. I think terrorism and Pakistan are equated."


"Pakistan is moving toward becoming a state that supports terrorism as an element of foreign policy, to a state that believes in terrorism"


Indeed the motto of the Punjabi dominated Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan of “Iman, taqwa, jihad fi sabilillah or translated “Faith, Piety and Jihad in the Way of Allah” justifies the following comment on them believing in Jihadi extremism:

"If we continue to give Pakistan a free pass, imagine the conflict at a time when the military is 1 million strong, has nuclear weapons, has sophisticated intelligence and believes in extremism at its core. So dealing with Pakistan's military is extremely important"


"Anything given to the Pakistanis today, whether it is weapons or finances, will be used against the entire world order"


The US participants, of whom two were named, James Cunningham, former U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan and notorious India hater and former US Assistant Secretary of State for South Asia Robin Raphael, who narrowly escaped being jailed by the US for spying for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, seemed a lot tamer.

From here:

Afghani ambassador equates Pakistan with terrorism at Aspen Security Forum

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I applaud Manish Tewari for rightly setting aside the Nehru-Gandhi family dynasty led Congress Party’s reflexive hatred for the BJP and Prime Minister Narendra Modi and instead upholding our country India’s National Interest by shooting down in flames the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s attempt by Mushahid “Mandela” Hussain to put a burqua over the role that Islamic Republic of Pakistan state sponsored Mohammadden Terrorism targetting India has played in bilateral relations going into a deep freeze by deflecting the blame onto the drastic reduction in India of the role of minority religion communal vote bank politics that has been fostered by the rise of the BJP.

PTI via NDTV on Manish Tewari taking on Mushahid “Mandela” Hussain at the South Asia Centre of the Atlantic Council:

"The infliction point in India Pakistan relations was 26/11. After 2008, irrespective of the fact that whether there was a UPA government, or that was succeeded by a BJP-led NDA government, the relationship with Pakistan has been in a deep freeze,"


"There is a very widespread feeling among the people of India, not limited to the government, that actions against the perpetrators of 26/11 is a pre-requisite for forward movement between India and Pakistan,"


"And post, the attack on Pathankot airbase, when India invited the joint investigating team from Pakistan, which consisted of people from across the agencies and gave them access to actually have a look at the evidence which pointed to the fact that this was an attack which was sponsored from across the border.


"Rather than taking that evidence on board, you saw a knee-jerk reaction saying that this was a false flag operation and the Indians have done it themselves," he said.

"So, it's very easy to blame Modi or the right-wing approach, which they as a government have, but in reality, the infliction point between India and Pakistan is 26/11," Mr Tewari said while responding to senior Pakistani leader Mushahid Hussian's remarks that PM Modi's policies have resulted in worsening relationship between India and Pakistan.


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Pakistan's Proxy War Policy Strained Ties With India: Manish Tewari

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If the quotes are accurate, then kudos to him.

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Postby arun » 04 Sep 2017 13:09

Xposted from the “Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)”.

India has sucessfully kept out of the BRICS Xiamen declaration any endorsement for pet intiatives of the Peoples Republic of China namely the One Belt One Road (OBOR) and Belt and Road Initiative (BRI).

Despite Peoples Republic of China pre Xiamen BRICS meet fulminations opposing India bringing up of Islamic Republic of Pakistan sponsored Mohammadden Terrorism at the BRICS meet, India has sucessfully got the BRICS Xiamen declaration that the Peoples Republic of China was hell bent on blocking, to mention of Mohammadden Terrorism emanating from the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan by getting the declaration to include Mohammadden Terrorist groups originating in the Islamic Republic such as India Centric Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) included. Other Islamic Republic of Pakistan resident Mohammadden Terrorist groups included are the Haqqani Network. The fly in the onitment is that undoubtedly owing to the PRC going to bat for Iron Brother Pakistan, the Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan (TTP) was also included not to mention the PRC’s Mohammadden bogeyman, Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM). See 48.

Full text of BRICS Leaders Xiamen Declaration from our MEA’s website:

BRICS Leaders Xiamen Declaration

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Postby arun » 08 Sep 2017 10:16

New York regulator kicks Pakistan’s Habib Bank out of US : NY watchdog says company ‘opened the door’ to terror financing and fines it $225m :-

The DFS’ most recent investigation found that Habib facilitated billions of dollars in transactions with a Saudi private bank, the Al Rajhi Bank, which has had reported links to al-Qaeda. The bank also used a “good guy” list — a group of customers who supposedly presented a very low risk of illicit transactions — to wave through at least $250m in transactions with no screening at all. Characters on the list included a leader of a Pakistani terrorist group, a notorious international arms dealer, and the former Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq under Saddam Hussein.


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Financial Times UK

Report by New York state banking regulator, Department of Financial Services, available here:

Clicky

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X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Sighting of the Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s “National Bird” after a long hiatus sees Mohammadden belief thought leader loyal to the Haqqani Network one Maulvi Mohib, getting an assist to sample 72 Raisins or 72 Virgins on the Mohammadden Sabbath of Friday aka Jumma.

Looks like the Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan has caved in to the pressure put out by US President Donald Trump and are serving up pious small fry of the Haqqani Network to appease the US:

US Drone Strike Kills 3 Suspected Terrorists in Pakistan


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Postby arun » 22 Sep 2017 09:23

Eenam Gambhir, India’s First Secretary to the United Nations, delivers India’s right of reply to the bilge dished out at the UN General Assembly by the Prime Minister of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Among other things Enam Gambhir said “The quest for a land of pure has actually produced 'the land of pure terror'. Pakistan is now ‘Terroristan’”:

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From here:

It's Terroristan, Not Pakistan: India Gives a Befitting Reply at United Nations

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Afghanistan joins India in roasting the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan at the general debate of the 72nd Session of the General Assembly of the UN:

Pak has history of providing safe havens to global terrorists: Afghanistan

Afghanistan has persistently and consistently sought to address this outstanding issue through various channels

ANI | New York
Last Updated at September 22, 2017 15:53 IST

Exercising its right-of-reply at the United Nations, Afghanistan made a scathing attack on Pakistan by listing a record number of instances of the terrorists being sheltered by Pakistan.

Kabul also accused Islamabad of providing safe-havens to 20 internationally-recognised terrorist groups and said that "Pakistan remains the main source of insecurity in the region".

Afghanistan's First Secretary to the UN, during the general debate of the 72nd Session of the United Nations General Assembly, said "An erroneous claim by one-member-state regarding the presence of safe-havens and sanctuaries in Afghanistan - such reference is a deliberate attempt by the government of Pakistan to divert international attention from its longstanding failure to take effective action against various terrorist groups and sanctuaries on its territory.

It remains evidently clear to the global community that the propagation of terrorist activities by state and non-state actors in the neighbouring Pakistan constitutes the main source of insecurity in Afghanistan and the wider region."

"Afghanistan has persistently and consistently sought to address this outstanding issue through various channels, including bilateral and other mechanisms.


Nevertheless, efforts to this end have yielded no results, whatsoever. At this juncture, Pakistan has another opportunity to engage in a comprehensive dialogue to resolve outstanding issues that have prevented it from adopting a clear and decisive stance in combating terrorism and a constructive approach for peace and security in Afghanistan," he added.
Afghanistan also listed out examples to give a clear picture of the current situation -"let us ask the following questions:"

1) Where was the mastermind of international terrorism, leader of Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden killed? Answer: In the capital of Pakistan - Islamabad

2) Where did the notorious leader of the Taliban, Mullah Mohammad Omar, die? Answer, in a hospital in Karachi

3) Where was Mullah Akhtar Mansour, the successor of Mullah Omar, found and killed by international forces? Answer: Balochistan of Pakistan and guess which country's passport he was using for travel to different locations? Pakistan's

4) Where is the leadership of the Quetta and Peshawar Shuras located at this very moment? Answer : The name of locations just mentioned speaks for themselves.

From what country has almost every single terrorist elements and some 20 internationally-recognised terrorist groups enter into Afghanistan and continue to do so? Answer - Pakistan

"What was just mentioned are few examples of the incessant support enjoyed by extremists groups from Pakistan? Moreover, these are not just the words of Afghanistan. These have been claimed and verified by various credible international sources," he stated.

"Long before any foreign intervention and the so-called 'Civil War' in Afghanistan, Pakistan had adopted a policy of use of violent proxies in pursuit of political objectives. Lastly, wasn't it PM Abbasi of Pakistan himself, who in an interview a few days ago, admitted that the culprits of the massive terrorist truck bomb on 31st May in Kabul may have entered from Pakistan to Afghanistan," he further said.

"We wish to categorically reject any claim of any support provided to the terrorist groups in Afghanistan. The facts speak for themselves. Now is the time for Pakistan to opt for a constructive approach to combating terrorism and promoting peace in our region."

"Moving forward we will use every means possible including negotiations and dialogue to ensure security and stability for our people. In this context, our resolve and commitment to defeat terrorism is unwavering and this is shown in action by the sacrifice of our brave Afghan national defence and security forces every day," he concluded.



From here:

Pak has history of providing safe havens to global terrorists: Afghanistan

The video Afghanistans response is here:

Afghanistan - 1st Right of Reply

The video of India’s response is here:

India - 1st Right of Reply

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X Posted from the ISI News & Discussions thread.

C Christine Fair highlights the very close links between the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan and the Un-Uniformed Jihadis of UN proscribed Islamic Republic of Pakistan based Mohammadden Terrorist group Jamaat Ud Dawa JuD.

………………. studies exhibit little awareness of the important domestic perquisites JuD affords its handlers in the army and the brutal intelligence agency that the army oversees, the Inter-services Intelligence Directorate (ISI).
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In the last decade, JuD spawned numerous related organizations, such as the Idara Khidmat-e-Khalq (IKK, Organization for Humanitarian Assistance), declared by the US Department of Treasury to be an FTO in April 2006.10 In 2009, JuD constituted a new humanitarian front, Falah Insaniat Foundation (FIF, Foundation for Welfare of Humanity), which the United States also designated as an FTO in 2010. In 2012, the United Nations designated FIF pursuant to UN Security Council Resolutions 1267 (1999) and 1989 (2011).11 Most recently, in early August 2017, JuD has floated a political party named the Milli Muslim League (MML) headed by a senior leader of the JuD named Saifullah Khalid.12 The MML is fielding a candidate in the September 17, 2017 by-election to fill the seat left vacant by Nawaz Sharif’s recent ouster even though the MML has not yet completed its registration with the Pakistan Election Commission.13 The MML plans to field more candidates in the 2018 elections. This represents a serious retrenchment from the organization’s long-standing position that it has no role in electoral politics and that elections and democracy are in fact anathema to its interpretation of shariat. While little is known about the MML given its recency, speculation is rife about its relationship to Pakistan’s deep state. Some analysts interpret the development of MML as a positive sign that Pakistan is trying to rein in its proxy by giving it a nonlethal domestic role that will allow the state to decommission its jihad function gradually.14

I reject this interpretation. As I have previously argued and also note here, LeT is the only militant organization in Pakistan that argues explicitly against violence within Pakistan while also offering the perquisite of loyally executing lethal attacks at the behest of the deep state.15 While only time will tell which interpretation is correct, I see the emergence of the MML as a further effort by the deep state to formally embed JuD within Pakistani politics. The timing of the MML’s nascence is also notable because it coincides with the army’s exhaustion with both of the mainstream political parties (the Pakistan Peoples’ League and the Pakistan Muslim League of Nawaz Sharif) and the ongoing failure of Imran Khan’s Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) to develop a national presence. In effect, the army has few options to engineer Pakistan’s political leadership in the forthcoming general elections.16 While the MML is unlikely to fare well in elections (as no religious party ever polls more than 10 percent in a free and fair Pakistan election),17 the MML can play a useful role as a member of a coalition groomed by the army and the ISI.


Conclusions and Implications

JuD remains the subject of scholarly and policy analytical inquiry. Most extant scholarship views this organization from the singular point of view of its external utility as a loyal and effective proxy of Pakistan’s military and intelligence agency. This singular focus upon its role in waging so-called jihad in India and, to a lesser extent, in Afghanistan significantly understates the significance of JuD to Pakistan’s deep state. Not only is it a crucial partner in prosecuting its national security interests abroad, it is also a vital partner in managing Pakistan’s internal security arrangements. JuD is the only militant organization in Pakistan that deliberately preaches the message that the only legitimate jihad is the external jihad. It is also the only militant organization that explicitly disavows not only sectarian violence, but also communal violence. This does not mean that JuD is insouciant about deviations from tawheed or other shortcomings. However, it believes that within the borders of Pakistan, the only method to deal with wayward Muslims—either ordinary citizens or in leadership—is through dawah and preaching the message of the external jihad. With the launch of the MML, JuD will be even more effective in spreading this message. Consequently, JuD will likely become even more valuable to its masters in the Pakistani army and intelligence community, even if it comes at the cost of being more difficult to control and manage over the longer term.


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Jamaat-ud-Dawa: Converting Kuffar at Home, Killing Them Abroad

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X Posted from the Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism thread.

Afghanistan once again blasts the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan at the United Nations for indulging in Mohammadden Terrorism. This time the venue is the Security Council rather than the General Assembly.

For the Video (2hr 52min mark) :

The situation in Afghanistan - Security Council, 8055th meeting, 25 Sep 2017

The Full Text of the speech is below:

All among us here today are well aware of the security dynamics in Afghanistan and in the region. As such I should not have to go into great detail about Pakistan’s long term and outstanding use of terror and violent extremism as an instrument of foreign policy.

The main factor for insecurity in Afghanistan therefore relates to the export of violent proxy groups into Afghanistan from within Pakistan. As we stated last week at the General Assembly these facts have been verified by various members of the international coalition present in Afghanistan. It is onthis basis Afghanistan has called on the Security Council to take specific action in defense of the United Nations Charter.

Mr. President,

With all Afghanistan and Pakistan have in common as beautifully outlined by the distinguished representative of Pakistan, we are keen to see genuine and comphrehensive State to State discourse on peace, security and prosperity. We hope to see a constructive engagement rather than a continuation of the old familiar plausible deniability and attempts of different kinds to change narrativive through kake and distorted facts, figures and images. This kind of behaviour will be an off route for peace.

Policy of deception has no future. Pakistan should rather seize the opportunity to reverse course and choose the path of adhering to the United Nations Charter,

I thank you.

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CNN reports that US General, John Nicholson says that senior leadership of Afghan Mohammadden belief based group, Taliban, are living in comfort in the Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan on the proceeds of illicit narcotics trade:

Top US general says Taliban 'living in comfort' in Pakistan

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X Posted from the “26/11/2008: Never Forget. Never Forgive” thread.

US reaction to the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s release of UN designated Mohammadden Terrorist Hafiz Muhammad Saeed delivered by US White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders.

While a tad dated, nonetheless being posted for archiving the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting ways of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
November 25, 2017

Statement by the Press Secretary on Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LeT) Leader

The United States strongly condemns the release of Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LeT) leader Hafiz Saeed from house arrest in Pakistan and calls for his immediate re-arrest and prosecution.

LeT is a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization responsible for the death of hundreds of innocent civilians in terrorist attacks, including a number of American citizens. Saeed himself is a notorious terrorist who stands accused of having masterminded the November 2008 Mumbai attacks that killed 166 people, including six American citizens.

A clear international consensus exists regarding Saeed’s culpability—he was designated by the United Nations under U.N. Security Council Resolution 1267 in December 2008. The Department of the Treasury has designated Saeed as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist, and the United States, since 2012, has offered a $10 million reward for information that brings Saeed to justice.

Saeed’s release, after Pakistan’s failure to prosecute or charge him, sends a deeply troubling message about Pakistan’s commitment to combatting international terrorism and belies Pakistani claims that it will not provide sanctuary for terrorists on its soil. If Pakistan does not take action to lawfully detain Saeed and charge him for his crimes, its inaction will have repercussions for bilateral relations and for Pakistan’s global reputation.

As President Donald J. Trump’s South Asia policy makes clear, the United States seeks a constructive relationship with Pakistan, but expects decisive action against militant and terrorist groups on Pakistani soil that are a threat to the region. The release of Saeed is a step in the wrong direction.

The Pakistani government now has an opportunity to demonstrate its seriousness in confronting all forms of terrorism, without distinction, by arresting and charging Hafiz Saeed for his crimes.


From the US White House Website: Clicky

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X Posted from the “26/11/2008: Never Forget. Never Forgive” thread.

Our country’s reaction to the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s release of UN designated Mohammadden Terrorist Hafiz Muhammad Saeed delivered by our MEA Spokesperson Raveesh Kumar.

Transcript of Weekly Media Briefing by Official Spokesperson (November 23, 2017)

November 24, 2017 ……………………………..

Question: You reaction to the decision by court in Pakistan to release Hafiz Saeed, that his detention was not extended. The Pakistani Government has said that he still is a threat to Pakistan but did not really provide any evidences including evidences provided by India to the court?

Official Spokesperson, Shri Raveesh Kumar: Any other question on Hafiz Saeed?

Question: Aatankwaadkolekar America ki jo chinta hai wo Haqqani Network aur Lashkar-e-Taiba ke liye bhi hai, aisa hum maan kar chalte they, lekin haal ke dinomein jo ek badlaavaayaa hai aur America Haqqani Network ki gatividhiyon ko lekarjyadachintaamein raha, Lashkar-e-Taiba ki gatividhiyon ko lekarnahi. Kya aapmaante hain ki ye ek wajah ho sakti hai ki Hafiz Saeed aajnazarbandnahi hai?

(We believed that the concerns of terrorism of America are same for both the Haqqani Network and Lashkar-e-Taiba, but recently there has been a change and we have seen America being more concerned with the activities of Haqqani Network and not that much with the activities of Lashkar-e-Taiba. Do you think this could be a possible reason that today Hafiz Saeed is not House Arrested?)

Official Spokesperson, Shri Raveesh Kumar: Any other question on Hafiz Saeed?

Question: On the same issue, recently we saw the US designating North Korea as a state sponsorer of terrorism, from India’s perspective does it thinks that Pakistan deserves or is a fit case to be declared state sponsored terrorism.

Official Spokesperson, Shri Raveesh Kumar: No, it is not a related question. I said any other question on Hafiz Saeed.

Question: Again on similar grounds, the State Department has told us that they have noted the release of global terrorist Hafiz Saeed. US has already given a last warning to the Pakistan, a last opportunity, do you think that perhaps bilaterally to the US it needs to be communicated much more that we need to move ahead of the terror designations and much more needs to be done to let Pakistan know that enough is enough?

Official Spokesperson, Shri Raveesh Kumar: Let me first read out the statement which I have on the release of Hafiz Saeed.

We have seen reports on the release of the leader of banned terrorist organization Lashkar-e-Taiba and internationally proscribed terrorist Hafiz Saeed from House Arrest by Pakistan. As you are aware he was the Prime Organizer, he was not only the Master Mind he was the Prime Organizer of the Mumbai Terror Attacks in which many innocent Indians and many people from other nationalities were killed.

He is also responsible for unleashing numerous other terror attacks against Pakistan’s neighbors. His release confirms once again the lack of seriousness on the part of Pakistani Government in bringing to justice perpetrators of heinous acts of terrorism including by individuals and entities designated by the United Nations.

It also appears to be an attempt by the Pakistani system to mainstream proscribed terrorist. It is evident that Pakistan has not changed its policy of shielding and supporting non-state actors and its true face is visible for all to see. It is the responsibility of Pakistani Government to fulfill its international obligations and take credible and effective action against terrorists like Hafiz Saeed.

India as indeed the entire international community is outraged that a self-confessed and UN proscribed terrorist is being allowed to walk free and continue with his evil agenda.


Now coming to the two questions which are related, we have in our discussions with the US Government at different levels including at the level of the Foreign Minister, at the highest level as well, we have had very productive discussions on fighting the scourge and menace of terrorism.

Further, I do not agree with your assessment that there is a bit of softness by the US side on certain entities. I think we are trying to work together with them, we have worked with them and if you have seen the statements emanating from the US Administration in the past, I think it is very clear that we are on the same page as far as fighting terrorism is concerned.


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X Posted from the Terroristan thread.

Extract dealing with what the US Secretary of Defense General James Mattis (Retd) had to say of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan just prior to his visit there.

Gen. Mattis dodges responding to a question on what leverage the US can bring to bear to bring its Major Non NATO Ally to heel.

News Transcript
Media Availability with Secretary Mattis En Route to Egypt
Press Operations
Dec. 1, 2017 ………………………………

Q: On Pakistan, General Nicholson said, recently, that nothing has changed with Pakistan, in regards to the new South Asia strategy. Were there some steps that you are looking for Pakistan to do, to help with Afghanistan...

SEC. MATTIS: In Afghanistan, we have heard from Pakistan leaders that they do not support terrorism. So I expect to see that sort of action reflected in their policies. They have said that they do not support havens for any terrorists, and Pakistan has taken significant casualties -- both innocent people and their army -- significant casualties from them. So we expect them to act in their own best interest, and in support of peace and regional stability. …………………….

Q: So on Pakistan -- on Pakistan, this has been going on a decade. You've been trying to get -- you -- the United States has been trying to get more cooperation into FATA on the borders. What leverage do you have, 10 years into this, to force compliance?

SEC. MATTIS: What was the last one?

Q: What -- what leverage do you have? You've cut off, like, $600 million to their coalition support fund in the last two years. You've got another $400 million being reviewed. What leverage do you have to compel them to act beyond what they’ve already done?

SEC. MATTIS: Tony, as I said earlier, they -- they have had many of their innocent people killed. They've had many of their soldiers killed and wounded. And the bottom line is that Pakistan has to act in its own best interest. They know this. In many cases, they are. But what we're looking for is to broaden the common ground and make certain that no terrorist organization is seen as able to operate from a haven there.

There's plenty of things our two countries do together, there's plenty of things the international community and many other nations do with them. And remember that 39 nations have their troops on the ground in Afghanistan, fighting this enemy. And those are 39 very important nations. If you look at their -- their roles on the world stage, their economies, their military capabilities.

So we're looking to make common cause with them. There's plenty of -- of collaborative areas, right now, still in effect. There's been some areas that have -- we have lost over the years, because of -- of disagreements about what we need to do. So this is an effort by the new -- by the American administration, to go in and set the conditions for future collaboration that leads to reconciliation in Afghanistan and a denial of safe havens for any terrorist group that would attack anyone in the region or elsewhere in the world, which a number of countries have suffered from.

Let's -- let's go to off the record, now, OK? Because I really do have to leave here in just a couple of minutes.


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Re: Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism

Postby arun » 04 Dec 2017 08:30

The second Anniversay of the San Bernadino Mohammadden Terrorist attack initiated by Husband and Wife Duo, Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, both of whom originated from the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, is marked:

2nd Anniversary of San Bernardino Terror Attack Marked

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Re: Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism

Postby arun » 13 Dec 2017 15:01

X Posted from the Terroristan thread.

Palpable frustration oozes from the Secretary of State of the United States of America at the adroit way the US’ Major non NATO Ally aka MUNNA repeatedly sticks a finger up the US’ defecatory orifice and tickles it. One must compliment the finesse with which the Punjabi Military Dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan games the United States of America. I trust our Foreign Policy establishment are taking notes on the US can be handled starting with the WTO:

On "Meeting the Foreign Policy Challenges of 2017 and Beyond"
Rex W. Tillerson
Secretary of State
The 2017 Atlantic Council-Korea Foundation Forum
Washington, DC
December 12, 2017 …………………………….

The global effort to defeat ISIS and the global effort to defeat terrorism is one of the President’s top priorities, and that takes us to the South Asia policy and Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India. And the approach to this policy really was a regional approach. The President made a decision and announced the policy that we would remain in Afghanistan, we would remain engaged in the fight to defeat the Taliban, and that the time and effort would be conditions-based. He didn’t – he said it’s not a blank check. It’s not forever, so the Government of Afghanistan needs to understand they must continue their reform journey and they must continue to create conditions that will be inclusive to all ethnic groups within Afghanistan, including a place for the Taliban to participate in a legitimate government when the Taliban is ready to renounce terrorism, renounce the fight, and come to the table.

So the conditions-based approach is to ensure the Taliban know, you will never win a battlefield victory, and the way forward is going to be by engaging in a reconciliation process and ultimately joining a government in Afghanistan.

An important part of the regional approach is our relationship with Pakistan. The U.S. and Pakistan have had a long history of good relations, but that relationship has really deteriorated over the past decade and so now we’re engaged with Pakistan in a conversation to ensure our expectations of them are clear, that our concern is really about Pakistan’s stability. Pakistan has allowed so many terrorist organizations to find safe haven within its territories, and these organizations are growing in size and influence, that at some point I have said to the leadership of Pakistan, you may be the target, and they turn their attention from Kabul and decide they like Islamabad as a target better.

We want to work with Pakistan to stamp out terrorism within their boundaries as well, but Pakistan has to begin the process of changing its relationship with the Haqqani Network and with others. I understand that this is a relationship that has emerged probably for, in their view, good reasons a decade ago, but now that relationship has to be altered because they – if they’re not careful, Pakistan is going to lose control of their own country. We want to work with them in a positive way. We’re willing to share information with them and we want them to be successful. But we cannot continue with the status quo, where terrorist organizations are allowed to find safe haven inside of Pakistan.


From the US State Department website:

On "Meeting the Foreign Policy Challenges of 2017 and Beyond"

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Re: Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism

Postby arun » 13 Dec 2017 15:04

X Posted from the Terroristan thread.

US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson:

“Pakistan is still an important and valued partner of the United States”:

Townhall
Rex W. Tillerson
Secretary of State
I. Steven (Steve) Goldstein
Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs
Dean Acheson Auditorium
Washington, DC
December 12, 2017

STAFF: Ladies and Gentlemen, the Secretary of State. (Applause.)

SECRETARY TILLERSON: Good morning. Good morning, all. Please, have a seat. ………………..

……….. So in that region of the world, obviously, a heavy, heavy emphasis on counterterrorism. That’s really the big threat that we’re dealing with there.

Out of that also emerged the new South Asia strategy for Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India. And I think the President took a very bold decision by asserting that we will be in Afghanistan with our military presence and continue to fight terrorism and fight the Taliban on a conditions-based effort. There is no timeline. We’re there until this thing is brought to a conclusion. It’s not a blank check. It’s not a forever. But we’re going to stay on the ground and support the Afghan Government. The Afghan Government has to continue to deliver on the needed reforms and create the conditions to have an inclusive government that allows for participation of all the ethnic groups in Afghanistan, including the Taliban. When the Taliban are ready to come to that negotiating table, there will be a place for them to participate in a future Afghan government.

And so the policy there in Afghanistan and in that region is to deny any safe haven to terrorist organizations, because there are a number of terrorist organizations operating in the Afghan-Pakistan region. Our policy is deny them the ability to have a safe haven where they can organize, they can recruit fighters, they can raise money, they can plan and carry out attacks against our allies, our own homeland, as we know they did in the past. So the entire policy in South Asia is to achieve that. And we achieve that by eliminating the safe havens, having some organizations who today have been fighting decide they don’t want to fight anymore, they’d rather talk about how to live, and create the conditions for a reconciliation process within Afghanistan and ultimately a peace process.

In our efforts with Pakistan, Pakistan is still an important and valued partner of the United States. Over the last decade, the relationship has drifted, and we’ve got to bring this relationship back to one of common interest. Today that’s just not the case. And so we’re engaged in very, very frank discussions with Pakistan over the concerns we have about their own stability and their own future and the threat they’re under by allowing terrorist organizations to operate in their territory, and how we can work together to bring stability and peace to the whole region. And again, we’ve got a great team working in that region as well. A lot of work left to do.


SECRETARY TILLERSON: Well, I’m smiling. (Applause.) I am learning to enjoy it. (Laughter.)

Look, it’s – this is a hard job. I mean – I mean, it’s difficult because of the issues, the complexity of the issues that you deal with. You wake up every morning, and the team that works closely with me in my front office know, because I say this many times to them, I start every morning with the thought, “How can I keep someone from being killed today?” I never had to start my mornings with that thought for 41 and a half years. I did worry about people’s safety in my old career, because there were a lot of risks, and we did lose people, regrettably, due to operation problems. But this is a different – I didn’t have to spend a lot of time worrying about civilians being killed, children being killed, people’s rights, their dignity being violated in unimaginable ways. So I start every day with that simple question: What can I do today to keep someone from being killed? And I’ve had a – I’ve had to really struggle with getting used to that, because I take it very seriously.

When I say I’m learning to enjoy it, I am. I’m learning to enjoy it because I’m getting to know all of you better. And one of the things that you get enjoyment from are the people that you have the privilege to work with every day, and that was true for 41 and a half years of my life. And so coming to a place where I didn’t know anybody and I don’t know much about you, that’s why I say I’m learning to enjoy it. Because now, having gone through everything I just described to you and have had great colleagues of yours supporting me and helping me through this year, I am enjoying it more. I enjoy the people. I enjoy you. And that’s why – when you say, “Do you enjoy it?” The actual task at hand of dealing with North Korea? I don’t enjoy that. I mean – (laughter) – but I enjoy working with Susan Thornton on it. Dealing with [b[Pakistan[/b] – I don’t enjoy that. But I enjoy dealing with Alice Wells and Ambassador Hale on it. You’re great people, and I’m – because I’m now making more and more acquaintances and connections, and I have more time with people, I’m beginning to understand them – I enjoy that. That’s what I enjoy, is I enjoy you. And we’ll get some things done. (Applause.) ………………..


From the US State department Website here:

Remarks at Town Hall


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