Pashtun Civil War

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby arun » 22 Jun 2015 12:40

X Posted from the “Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc” thread.

First the Punjabi dominated security forces of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan displace some 1 Million Pathan’s / Pushtun’s from the homes and force them into refugee camps.

Then the Punjabi dominated security forces of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan kill 2 Pathan’s / Pushtun’s who have been forced from their homes into refugee camps during the Mohammadden holy month of Ramzan aka Ramadan.

Is killing 2 fellow Mohammaddens during Ramzan what is meant by the” Jihad fi Sabilillah” part of the motto of “Iman, Taqwa, Jihad fi Sabilillah” or translated into English, “Faith, Piety, Jihad in the path of Allah”?

How is it remotely excusable for the Military forces of a country claimed to have been created as a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent to slaughter fellow Mohammaddens during Ramazan?

How also is it remotely excusable for a country that loses no opportunity anoint itself with all manner of Mohammadden titles such as Islamic Republic, Sole Mohammadden Nucler Power and Citadel of Mohammaddenism to kill fellow Muslims during Ramzan?:

Pakistan Security Forces Clash With Waziristan IDPs

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby arun » 29 Jun 2015 21:31

X Posted from the “Oppression of Minorities In Pakistan” thread.

Uniformed Jihadis of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan follow tactics adopted by a foreign army of occupation seeking to subdue an alien population and use a weapon that is both a disproportionate use of force and an inaccurate one prone to create collateral non-combatant damage against the Un-uniformed Jihadi’s of the TTP who are Pathan. All this Green on Green Intra Mohammadden violence during what Mohammadden’s claim is the holy month of Ramazan aka Ramadan.

What a contrast between how the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan which makes such a fetish of being Mohammadden fighting fellow Mohammaddens, albeit Pathan’s rather than Punjabi’s, and the Indian Army which in conducting operations within India is every mindful of the possibility of civilian collateral damage and thus chooses the weapons it uses to reflect proportionate force with greatest feasible accuracy:

23 militants killed in North Waziristan, Khyber Agency airstrikes

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby arun » 12 Jul 2015 11:29

The “Jihad in the Path of Allah” or “Jihad Fi Sabilliah” part of motto of “Faith, Piety, Jihad In the Path of Allah” or “Iman Taqwa Jihad Fi Sabilillah” of the Punjabi dominated Pakistan Army, in action.

Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden Ramadan month violence as Uniformed Jihadi’s of the majority Punjabi dominated Military take on the Un-uniformed minority Pathan Jihadi’s of the TTP in the battle to determine who among them are entitled to be the “More Pure” in the “Land of the Pure” aka the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

4 soldiers, 9 militants dead in Waziristan op

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby arun » 26 Jul 2015 07:48

NYT reports that the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan have turned on the Ununiformed Jihadi’s with covert internment centers, torture and extra judicial executions with the US quietly looking on and showering the Uniformed Jihadi’s with Military aid:

In Pakistan, Detainees Are Vanishing in Covert Jails

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby ramana » 31 Jul 2015 00:01

Anujan wrote:Apparently Mullah Omar death is all but confirmed. The new Taliban chief will be Mullah Mansour and deputy would be Siraj Haqqani. Both big Pakistan supporters

Mansour fella is Taliban's "aviation minister" and was involved in the Kandahar hijack.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... t-taliban/

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby ramana » 22 Aug 2015 02:41

Col. Faizan must be a Ghilzai.

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby ramana » 09 Dec 2015 23:56

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Late Naseerullah Babar once told me that he asked Mullah Omar to recognize the Durand Line as an international border. In reaction, however, Omar asked him to stop eating the meal and buzz off,” Afandyar Wali Khan breaks the inside story


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Awami National Party (ANP), in the recent times, has increased its political activities to end its silence. Besides other leaders of the party, Asfandyar Wali Khan, the president of the party, has also increased regular participation in party’s sessions and public gatherings. Asfandyar Wali Khan has worn a more defiant mood as he has taken up on a number of sensitive issues. He has been speaking on issues of extraordinary importance, very unequivocally. His audacious statements on some key and emergent issues, which hogged headlines in media, include the looming threat posed by ISIS (Daesh), a new but deadliest game of international powers in the region, tensions in AfPak bilateral relations, the sensitive and controversial issue of the Durand Line, and on top of that the looming threat of division of Afghanistan.

Below is a very interesting interview conducted by Afghanistan Times

Q: You have become active after a long hiatus, any particular reason?

A: The way how did we face the post-2007 situation is known to all. ANP’s key leaders and political activists were killed in hundreds. I too was targeted in a suicide bombing attack. The tragedy was that not only leaders were being killed but hundreds of supporters and innocent citizens were used to be killed in such bombings. In such a situation there was no other option, to reduce our political activities. It was inevitable because we want to protect innocent lives. I shrank my political activities at the repeated insistences of the party’s workers. ANP sustained unbearable losses as we kept our activities in a highly hostile and deadliest environment. For others it was the Chief Election Commissioner, Fakhruddin G. Ibrahim, but for us, it was Hakimullah Mehsud, who restrained our political activities and we couldn’t reach out to the general public in the 2013 general elections.

Now, comparatively, the situation has been improving. Though challenges are there, which is why, I feel myself bound to reach out to the party’s supporters. We increased our political activities. The world can see the difference now. The results of the recent local bodies’ elections are different than the results of the 2013 general elections. Eventually ANP has proved itself a biggest political power.

Q: Why did the ANP come under deadliest attacks from the Taliban?

A: They knew that it is only ANP which has the spleen to stand in their way. And ANP proved it true. We sternly opposed their violent ideology. Since we have a crystal clear ideology that politics and religion are two totally different things, therefore, the Taliban started destroying the sanctity of our “hujra” and “masjid”. They started exploding every sign that relates to Pashtuns’ society. We opposed it publicly what they had unleashed in the land of Pashtuns. We lost over 800 activists, but we didn’t succumb. We still are defiant. We didn’t surrender. And did not budge from our ideology and standpoint, even an inch. How we could have compromised with such elements, which were hell-bent on pulling “chador from the heads of our mothers, sisters and daughters?

Q: With what intent or objective did you talk to the Taliban in Swat?

A: Actually in striking Nizam-e-Adl deal with the Taliban we respected the demand of the general public. To respect their demand besides accepting the Taliban’s demand, we started dialogue with them. After the Taliban breached the accord, the general public realized the Taliban’s motives, which were quite different than ours. Eventually, the general public ceased supporting them.

The only reason that led to the success of the Swat operation was public stood by the side of the government. No operation can be successful until political forces and the nation are behind it. Looking at the benefits of Swat operation, now there is a demand of “do more” from inside (at home).

Q: Is this true the United States sternly opposed peace dialogues in Swat, and you faced extreme pressure?

A: Yes this is true. When peace talks were on the anvil, the Deputy Secretary of State in a meeting vented his blister against the peace dialogues. I responded him it is we not they who must decide the fate of our people and our region. I told him if there was any problem in New York and I visit you just to tell you what do and what not or dictate you, how you will feel about it? The meeting was so bitter that it will remain the bitterest incident in my life. Later on our policy proved to be very much successful. And we succeeded in restoring peace in that region.

Q: What is the biggest mistake that caused the spread of Talibanization in Pakistan?

A: Our agencies started pursuing a policy of intervention in Afghanistan. Jihadists were recruited. They kept sending them to Afghanistan. Once addressing the parliament, I pointed at late Benazir Bhutto and said if you think that extremism will remain confined only to Afghanistan, then such a belief is disastrous. I emphasized if the fire of extremism flares up on the other side of the Durand Line, keep it in your mind that Durand Line is not powerful enough to contain it and resist the spillover of the fire into Pakistan. The later developments proved our warnings true. The fire also affected us. Even today we are surrounded by deadly threats. I usually say that a peaceful and a stable Afghanistan, is not only essential for the people of Afghanistan, but a stable Afghanistan guarantees peace and stability in Pakistan.

Q: Do you think the issue of Durand Line is affecting Pakistan’s Afghan policy?

A: Late Naseerullah Babar once told to me that when he asked Mullah Omar to recognize Durand Line as a permanent international border between Afghanistan and Pakistan as with its recognition all the issues will disappear on their own. “Mullah Omar told me to stop eating the meal and get out of the room,” Babar recalled. Such a behavior is considered to be very much harsh and inhospitable in Pashtuns’ culture and society, yet, Mullah Omar responded in anger.

Though, Nasirullah Babar and some other leaders used to call the Taliban their children. The dream to turn Durand Line into a permanent boundary is a mad idea; this is a mirage. We should refrain from any such attempt.

Q: Why you don’t recognize it as an international border?

A: This is a controversial issue. A similar issue is between Pakistan and India. We call our border with India “Line of Control—LoC”. We don’t recognize it as an international border. The reason is we consider it controversial and we cannot upset Kashimris. If we don’t recognize LoC as an international border, how we can recognize the Durand Line as an international frontier?

Moreover, Afghanistan never remained a threat for Pakistan. In the wars of 1965 and 1971, Afghanistan could have been used against us, however, Afghanistan not only remained non-aligned, but quite friendlier with Pakistan. As a result we had no concerns on western frontier. I think Pakistan must come out of perceived threats and accept that we cannot change our neighbors. Our development and peace lie in the belief that we must forge friendlier ties with Afghanistan and India.

Q: You have been seen on many occasions while criticizing American policies. What is the reason behind this criticism?

A: Had the United States not dumped Afghanistan after the collapse of Dr. Najibullah’s government, the Taliban wouldn’t have appeared on the scene. Al-Qaeda wouldn’t have emerged. And now we wouldn’t have been surrounded by a threat as biggest as Daesh.

The first mistake of United States in the region was it armed Afghans in the name of jihad and not in the name of nationalism and Afghanism. The US along with its allies attempted to corrode the role and importance of “hujra” and “jirga” and imposed the supremacy of rulings by masjid and madrassas.

This seismic imbalance shook the edifice of Pashtuns’ society. Had hujra and jirga been functional in Afghanistan and FATA, today, the situation would have been totally different. Unfortunately this evil game ate away the role of hujra and jirga. At the end of the day we were pushed to tolerate its backfires in the shape of extremism and terrorism. And if the United States dumps Afghanistan this time again, it will unleash more horrific backfires.

Q: In recent times you have warned on many occasions that Afghanistan is on the brink of division and Pakistan is descending into disintegration? Any particular reason?

A: Well, whatever is the situation in Afghanistan it directly affects Pakistan. If trust deficit rules the roost, and blame game catches further length, and there is no serious and honest joint approach to weed out Taliban and clip the wings of Daesh, and world leaders continue their foreign policy games in the region, the threat of Afghanistan’s division is looming larger.

Tajiks, Uzbeks, Turkmens and Hazaras, will be compelled to annex to Central Asian Republics (CARs) as these minorities have not only direct border ties with CARS but also lingual and cultural.

In such a situation, Pashtuns who are in majority in Afghanistan will start looking towards their Pashtun brothers in Pakistan. The already troubled Pashtuns in Pakistan wouldn’t remain unconcerned.

Should this happen and Afghanistan is divided. Do you think Pakistan will remain intact? It cannot. Pakistan will also disintegrate. I wish it doesn’t happen. Nevertheless, the threat is looming larger
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Q: Why do you think that international powers are going to clash in this region?

A: There are many signs that indicate that tensions are rising among the United States, Russia, and China. The clash of world powers in Iraq and Syria is in front of all. If terrorism rages on and duplicitous games are being played, the region will fall victim to the evil schemes of world’s powers, and Daesh’s activities will increase. Eventually, people will forget the barbarities of the Taliban to see the bloodlust and savagery of Daesh. It has been observed that terrorism, for the first times, has spread towards Hindu-Kush. We cannot ignore the hand and game of world players in the rapidly deteriorating security situation in Afghanistan.

If they don’t balk at their games, I cannot rule out that China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) will bite the dust. To make this billion dollars project practically possible, peace in Afghanistan is a must, because China wants to have access to Central Asia via this corridor. One of China’s objectives of the project is to address the economic issues in its areas where China faces extremism. In case there is no peace in the region, this project cannot succeed.

Q: How do you see the role of China? And how terrorism can successfully be tackled?

A: China’s role is extraordinary. Unlike American role in peace and stability in the region, people look confident about the role of China. Peace and security in the region is a must for China’s interests.

This is the good luck of the region that China has come into movements to play its role. Given that there is no open clash of interests among world powers in this region, continued peace talks, and continued operations against terrorists, then I am confident that peace is not a distant dream.

China can play an effective role, of course. But the end of proxy wars and duplicitous games is a must. As far as terrorism is concerned, besides international powers, Afghanistan and Pakistan must be on the same page. I think, now the key to peace lies in the hands of these four men—Nawaz Sharif, Rahil Sharif, Ashraf Ghani and Abdullah Abdullah. This question is necessary to be addressed that how the understanding built in 2014 caved in, all of a sudden? Why the environment of trust and understanding turned into acrimony and rivalry? Let me repeat once again that peace is not the need of Afghanistan only, but it is the need of Pakistan too. Until we don’t understand this reality, peace will remain a distant dream.



Wrong analogy to LOC.

Bascially the Durranis sold the Ghilzais east of Durand Line to be under the British.


Ghilzais used to rule Afghanistan till Babur defeated them and ruled from Kabul.

Then the Durranis sided with Persians and became the rulers after Ahmed Shah Abdali/Durrani took power.

Abdel Razak agreed to the Durand line to get rid off the Ghilzais.

Mullah Omar is a Ghilzai and would not freeze the Durand line. He would want a new Pashtunistan.

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby arun » 13 Dec 2015 07:34

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

In the Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden struggle in North Waziristan dubbed Zarb-e-Azb between the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and the Un-uniformed Jihadi’s of the Pathan / Pushtun dominated Taliban to determine who is the Greenest of them all, the Uniformed Jihadi’s claim losing 488 of their own with 1,900 injured while killing 3,400 of their erstwhile strategic assets:

Pakistan: 3,400 Militants, Nearly 500 Soldiers Die in Counterinsurgency Operation

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby Paul » 13 Dec 2015 07:59

I am coming to the conclusion that formation of Pakistan is a continuation of formation of Afghanistan which was started by Ahmed Shah Durrani and consolidated by Amir Abdur Rehman in late 19th century. Hence for Pakistan to break up Afghanistan should also split into ethnic enclaves. If we go even earlier Kandahar loss to Persia is the point which is a straight line to Pakistan

The entire Af-Pak region in 7-8 enclaves along with the 5 stans in CA would provide India the right opportunity to re-establish it control over this area as a buffer zone for the subcontinent. It is heading in that direction. Question is, will India be able to stabilize its affairs in East India before turning its attention to this region.

More power to the ANP....

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby member_23370 » 13 Dec 2015 08:55

I would take the numbers will a bag of salt. More likely the pakis killed 3000 odd civilian pathans will their bombing and lost 1000+ of their own cowards.

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby ramana » 13 Dec 2015 23:10

Paul wrote:I am coming to the conclusion that formation of Pakistan is a continuation of formation of Afghanistan which was started by Ahmed Shah Durrani and consolidated by Amir Abdur Rehman in late 19th century. Hence for Pakistan to break up Afghanistan should also split into ethnic enclaves. If we go even earlier Kandahar loss to Persia is the point which is a straight line to Pakistan

The entire Af-Pak region in 7-8 enclaves along with the 5 stans in CA would provide India the right opportunity to re-establish it control over this area as a buffer zone for the subcontinent. It is heading in that direction. Question is, will India be able to stabilize its affairs in East India before turning its attention to this region.

More power to the ANP....



Paul,

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby Supratik » 14 Dec 2015 18:18

@Ramana,

One nitpick. Baloch are majority Sunni.

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby Paul » 15 Dec 2015 10:32

Thanks Ramana....IMO Shia Sunni divide while significant is over rated in BRF thinking. We need to bring it down. When Pakistan and Afghanistan split they will go with ethnic lines not sectarian divide. Even Iranian support for shia Hazara is restrained as they do not share common ethnicity. Shias of Afghanistan are being used as cannon fodder in Syria per reports. Shia sunni divide is a brand war fought between Persians and Arabs. It is a significant contributor to the enmity between them but not the primary cause...which is ethnic divide.

Secondly the Shia support for Pakistan as strong as ever, Qadianis are not showing signs of remorse for being the flag bearers of Pakistan. While there was a blast in Shia Parchinar, they will not come out openly against Taliban forget siding with Kaffirs or Americans.

Please remove Sunni and replace it with Pakjabi as title of Pakistan thread..................

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby ramana » 25 Jan 2016 22:49

deejay wrote:Needs confirmation:

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha now2 minutes ago
Reports of Mulla Fazlullah emir of #TTP (#Taliban #Pakistan) being killed by #US drone strike in #Nangarhar province

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby arun » 14 Jan 2017 11:26

X Posted from the “Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan” thread.

A case of the Punjabi dominated Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan encouraging the Mohammadden religion sanctioned practise of treating females of the “enemy” as sex slaves as they are considered as “Mā malakat aymānukum” or “what you right hand possesses”?

Islamic Republic of Pakistan born Pashtun freedom fighter forced to seek refuge in Afghanistan, Umar Daud Khattak, reveals that the Punjabi dominated Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan have “kidnapped hundreds of Pashtun girls from Swat and Waziristan area to be used as sex slaves in Lahore.”:

Pakistan holding hundreds of Pashtun girls as sex slaves: Umar Khattak

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby ramana » 14 Dec 2017 00:33

Two relevant x-posts from Afghanistan thread...

1)
Parasu wrote:1. Not all Pashtuns are pak-pasand. Not anymore.
The Tehreek-e-Taliban is pashtun and anti-pak. It has now morphed into ISIS together with Orakzai agency pashtuns. The ISIS vs Taliban fight is basically a Pashtun civil-war about who is more islamic and whether to prioritize sharia implementation and war in Afghanistan over the same in Pakistan.
2. Russian objective is to ensure the removal of US bases from Afghanistan. But Moscow is not so rash as to start arming the talibunnies. China and Iran have similar goals.
India supports US presence in Afghanistan for the time being. Its position now disagrees with Russian aims. IMO, It has not sufficiently presented its case in Moscow though. That is a pity. China is lost to Pakis. And Iran plays its own game.
3. India has no leverage in Afghanistan but has most to lose. All other countries Pak/China/Russia/Iran have access to landlocked Afghanistan.India doesnt. Indian approach is Gandhian. And will eventually fail, if it is not backed by armed efforts to open up different possibilities in the Afpak region.


2)
Parasu wrote:The Pashtun lands in Afghanistan can be divided into three major regions, not based on administrative division but based on tribal connections, geographical cohesion and social ties: Loy Nangarhar, LoyaPaktia and Loy Kandahar (Loy and Loya mean greater). How the Afghan Jihad unraveled in these three regions is affected by distinct tribal and cultural nature of the regions. The Taliban insurgency today can also be divided along these three regions. Loy Nangarhar housed a diverse set of Jihadists and this region is also well-developed with a higher education ratio. Jalalabad sits just outside Kabul and Kabul is separated from this region by a narrow gorge. Among the Mawlwis, the religious clerics, there also are strong forces centered on Sufi shrines and the royalists. The most important movement to come out of the region is that of MawlwiYounasKhalis. Khalis flouted his Pashtun identity and his rooting in Pashtun culture when other Jihadists and later Taliban were against it. Kunar has been under Salafi influence since the Afghan Jihad and is also a stronghold today for anti-Shia militant.

LoyaPaktia presents another kind of militant activity. LoyaPaktia region has been important to the kings ruling Afghanistan. The tribes of LoyaPaktia have acted as de-facto royal army for Durrani empire since 1929, when they went on to restore the deposed Durrani king. The Wazir tribe on side of Pakistan is closely related to the region and many people from Waziristan went to fight for the Durrani king. Since then, the tribes on side of Pakistan have easily assimilated into the power milieu of Kabul and also have served into the royal army since its downfall in 1978. JallaludinHaqani belongs to Zadran tribe of this region and holds dominancy over the region. The irony is that in this region the locals defeated the Taliban regime but now it has become a stronghold of the strongest arm of Taliban. The author traces this to the indiscriminate treatment of whole of Afghanistan as a common theater of war and dealing with the whole population as it was complicit in crimes of Taliban regime.

The emergence of neo-Taliban in Loy Kandahar follows a pattern. The pattern is targeted takedown of tribal leaders and thus creating a leadership vacuum which is then filled in by the Taliban. The region enjoys a strategic importance as it connects with both Iran and Pakistan. The Taliban movement originated from Kandahar and Kandahar Shura was the most powerful Taliban’s decision making body. Later the Taliban’s capital was shifted to Kabul and a Kabul Shura was established, but still the Kandahar Shura enjoyed the ultimate decision making powers. The region is controlled from Quetta Shura now. There is a difference between how the Taliban in Kandahar treats the people from that of how the Haqqani network treat the people in LoyaPaktia. From workings of it, both look separate organizations and thus demands separate set of policies to be tackled down.

Understanding the cultural and social realities of Pashtun land is important to solve the crises Pashtuns are in. To understand the current crisis of political violence it has to be understood that the violence on Pashtun lands is motivated by divergent narrow goals of each player. In shape of Taliban Pakistan found the perfect solution to pan-nationalism of Pashtuns. The pan-nationalism was weakened by the pan-Islamism. A unified Pashtun nationalism which transcends the Durand Line is considered a threat by Pakistan to its existence and thus a theater of war on Pashtun lands is considered a necessity. The current crisis of Pashtun land is not military. It is economic and social in nature. Only military solution will not solve the crisis. Pashtuns on both sides are disconnected from the centers of power. Their struggle is that of integration into a state. Unless the power centers of the region accept that Pashtuns have to be integrated into the mainstream instead of left at the peripheries the Pashtuns lands will continue to suffer.


Good analyisis.

How does KP province Pashtuns work?

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby arun » 06 Feb 2018 23:00

X posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread to the Pashtun Civil War, Terroristan and Pak Mil doctrine etc threads.

New York Times on the oppression of minority Pashtun aka Pathan minority by the Unformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Military Dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

India must provide 800% “Diplomatic and Moral support: to the long suffering Pathans aka Pashtun to enable them to standup to the genocidal oppression by the Unformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Military Dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

In Pakistan, Long-Suffering Pashtuns Find Their Voice

Excerpts:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — At first, the killing last month of Naqeebullah Mehsud — an aspiring model shot by the police in Karachi who claimed afterward that he was a Taliban militant — seemed merely the latest in a long series of abuses carried out by the authorities against ethnic Pashtuns in Pakistan. ………………….


……………… many residents still view the soldiers as occupiers, ……………….

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby ramana » 07 Feb 2018 01:14

The first 100 years of Slave dynasty i.e. slaves of Ghori dynasty, the Afghans were also mental slaves of the Slave dynasty.
It took time till the Khiljis realized it and rebelled against the Slave dynasty.

Similarly we are seeing the Pashtuns in Pakistan rebelling against the Pakjabi slaves who seized power after Partition via the Pakjabi Army.

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby arun » 14 Feb 2018 10:29

X Posted.

Afghan diplomat Ahmad Shah Katawazai calls for “Redrawing the {Durand} line, to merge FATA, Pakhtunkhwa and parts of Balochistan into Afghanistan”.

Our Government should provide 800% diplomatic and moral support to support this dream of Afghanistan to liberate Pathan’s aka Pushtun’s suffering under the oppression of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of Punjabi Military dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan in FATA, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan.

Pashtun Spring: Time to redraw the boundary between Pakistan and Afghanistan:

……………. it would be in the best interest of the United States, NATO and Afghanistan to redraw the Durand Line.

The Afghan government never has accepted the Durand Line as a true international border. The government and people of Afghanistan have consistently asked for the territory to be re-incorporated into Afghanistan. People who live along the Durand Line don’t consider it to be a border. They cross the border freely and, in many places, the line is unclear. Pashtun inhabitants along the line take pride in asserting their autonomy and proudly assert that their Pashtunwali traditions and tribal codes of conduct supersede the Pakistani laws and courts.

Redrawing the line, to merge FATA, Pakhtunkhwa and parts of Balochistan into Afghanistan could help to end the blood spilled in this region. This would eliminate the safe-haven status of the region for terrorists by bringing the lawless territory under the control of Afghanistan, where U.S. forces are operating. Eliminating the arbitrary, artificial border would be a great legacy for the United States and international community — winning over the hearts and minds of the region’s inhabitants by bringing together people who were forcefully divided more than a century ago. …………

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby arun » 10 Mar 2018 12:13

X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread to the Pashtun Civil War and Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion threads

A series of articles on the oppression that has been unleashed by the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Military dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan targeting Pathans aka Pushtuns aka Pashtuns aka Pukhtuns.

Disappointing to see that Quisling Pathans aka Pushtuns aka Pashtuns aka Pukhtuns serving with the Uniformed Jihadi’s are allowing their fellow Punjabi Uniformed Jihadi’s to run roughshod over their linguistic Pathans aka Pushtuns aka Pashtuns aka Pukhtuns brothers.

Our country must provide 800% Diplomatic and Moral support to the long suffering Pathans aka Pashtun aka Pushtun aka Pukhtun to enable them to stand-up to the State Terrorism and Genocidal oppression practised by the Unformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Military Dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

March 9, 2018:

To Be Young and Pashtun in Pakistan

March 6, 2018:

Pashtun Protest Reignites Debate About Pakistan’s Counterterrorism Policies

March 3, 2018:

Pashtun Spring: Human rights uprising in Pakistan

Feb 28, 2018:

The Spring Of Pashtun Awakening In Pakistan

Feb 24, 2018:

Pakistan's Pashtuns march for justice : After decades of oppression, discrimination and abuse, Pakistan's Pashtuns are demanding change and justice.

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby arun » 09 Apr 2018 16:17

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The Pathan / Pashtun / Pushtun minority protests against extrajudicial arrests and killings carried out against them by the Punjabi Uniformed Jihadi Military Dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Our Government must provide 800% Diplomatic and Moral support to the Pathan’s in order to thwart the State Terrorism of the Punjabi Uniformed Jihadi Military Dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Pakistan: Thousands protest over extrajudicial arrests, killings : The police killing of Naqeebullah Mehsud, an aspiring Pashtun model, has generated demonstrations in Peshawar from the Pashtun community, who say they are targeted by the police and army.

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby arun » 22 Apr 2018 19:29

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Some of the 700,000 Occupation Force Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Dominated Military of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan get taken down in a demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan by Mujahideen freedom fighter Pathan’s aka Pashtun’s aka Pushtun’s .

Clearly the Pathan’s are not going to roll over and permit State Terrorism backed exploitation by the Punjabi Uniformed Jihadi Dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

I wonder if the Mujahideen freedom fighter Pathan’s involved in this incident were purely Mujahideen freedom fighter Pathan’s all along or were former “strategic asset” ununiformed Jihadis groomed by the Punjabi Dominated Military of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan to export Islamic Terrorism turned into Mujahideen freedom fighter Pathan’s :?:

One soldier killed, three injured in North Waziristan IED blast

PESHAWAR: A security official was martyred killed and three others injured when a bomb disposal unit of Pakistan Army was targeted by an Improvised Explosive Device (IED) in North Waziristan on Sunday.

The three injured soldiers were rushed to the hospital in Miranshah.

The incident took place in the Dre Wastay area of Tehsil Datta Khel. Official sources said that the area was sealed off and movement was restricted.

Two hours later another IED exploded near a quick response force team in Kam Sarobi area. ………………………

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby arun » 03 May 2018 19:45

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Falijee wrote:Haider Imtiaz Retweeted
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In a report about the PTM, the Guardian mentions all sorts of bans against the Pashtun youth movement that also includes the ridiculous ban on ‘ Pashteen Cap’. But all that has failed to stop the movement. An interesting read.




Long Article but worth the read !

Manzoor Pashteen Now Being Called " The Che Guevara Of Pakistan" :D

Are you with the tyrants?' Pakistani Che risks all to take on the army
The Guardian
May 2, 2018

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Even the “Pashteen hat” has been subjected to local, unofficial bans. Replicas can no longer be found in the Swat valley city of Mingora, where at least five shopkeepers selling the hat were recently detained and beaten by thugs associated with the military, locals say. Such "strong arm tactics" will have a blow-back effect for sure !


Our Government must provide 800% Moral and Diplomatic support to the freedom loving Pashtun / Pushtun / Pathan population suffering under the 700,000 strong Punjabi dominated Uniformed Jihadi occupation forces of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan by supplying 100, 000 Pashteen Hats free of cost to Afghan territories adjoining Afghan territories illegally occupied by the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan. GOI should also ensure that all Pashteen hats so supplied will prominently have labels in Dari and Urdu stating that they have been made in India.

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby arun » 07 Feb 2019 19:33

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wig wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47147409

A protest Pakistan wants to hide from the world. the protestors of the PTM rounded up.

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The Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan may be attempting to hide atrocities but the world has picked up on it. Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani’s tweet on the subject:

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The Afghan government has serious concerns about the violence perpetrated against peaceful protestors and civil activists in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan.

7:51 PM - 6 Feb 2019


From here:

https://twitter.com/ashrafghani/status/ ... 0926247937

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Re: Pashtun Civil War

Postby arun » 11 Feb 2019 14:11

Op Ed in the New York Times written by Pashtun freedom fighter leader of the Pashtun Tahafuz Movement (PTM), Manzoor Ahmad Pashteen, who is struggling against the oppression carried out by the Punjabi dominated Uniformed Jihadis of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

:rotfl: The Kaafir media of the Non Mohammadden world seems to be neither concerned nor distracted by the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s hyperventilating about manufactured Kaafir Hindu wrongs in Jammu and Kashmir as seen in the just gone by “Kashmir Solidarity Day” shindig in the UK but OTOH is very much more concerned about the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s trampling of the human rights of Non Punjabi’s by the Uniformed Jihadis of the Military:

In Pakistan, a Pashtun Cry for Equality and Justice

The country’s powerful military is trying to crush a nonviolent movement for civil rights.

By Manzoor Ahmad Pashteen

Mr. Pashteen is leading the movement for civil rights for the Pashtun minority in Pakistan.

Feb. 11, 2019

I lost my home in 2009 when a major operation by the Pakistan military forced us to leave our village in South Waziristan in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas along the border with Afghanistan.

Around 37 million Pashtuns live in this region that includes the northwestern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Province, the Federally Administered Tribal Areas — which have now been merged with the province — and parts of southwestern Baluchistan province. Our impoverished region has been desolated by the long war on terrorism.

When I was in high school, we moved to Dera Ismail Khan, a city around 100 miles away. Ours was yet another family among six million people who have been displaced from the region since Pakistan joined the war on terror in 2001. Tens of thousands of Pashtuns have been killed in terror attacks and military operations since.

But our economic and political rights, and our suffering has remained invisible to most of Pakistan and the world because the region was seen as a dangerous frontier after numerous militants moved there after the fall of the Taliban.

The government ignored us when these militants terrorized and murdered the residents. Pakistan’s military operations against the militants brought further misery: civilian killings, displacements, enforced disappearances, humiliation and the destruction of our livelihoods and way of life. No journalists were allowed into the tribal areas while the military operations were going on.

Pashtuns who fled the region in hopes of rebuilding their lives in Pakistani cities were greeted with suspicion and hostility. We were stereotyped as terrorist sympathizers. I was studying to become a veterinarian, but the plight of my people forced me and several friends to become activists.

In January 2018 Naqeebullah Mehsud, an aspiring model and businessman from Waziristan who was working in Karachi was killed by a police team led by a notorious officer named Rao Anwar. Mr. Anwar, who is accused of more than 400 extrajudicial murders, was granted bail and roams free.

Along with 20 friends, I set out on a protest march from Dera Ismail Khan to Islamabad, the capital. Word spread, and by the time we reached Islamabad, several thousand people had joined the protest. We called our movement the Pashtun Tahafuz Movement, or the Pashtun Protection Movement.

Ours is a peaceful movement that seeks security and political rights for Pashtuns. Apart from justice for Mr. Mehsud, we demand investigations into the killings of thousands of other Pashtuns by security forces and militants. We seek an end to enforced disappearances.

As loyal, taxpaying citizens, we demand that Pakistani security forces act as our protectors and stop the harassment of Pashtuns at checkpoints and during raids. We demand that Islamabad cleanse Waziristan of land mines and other unexploded ordinances.

We had several meetings with the military leadership. Some generals publicly acknowledged our grievances but they never moved to address our concerns. We held numerous sit-ins and protests and continued to hope that Pakistan’s leaders would try to address our concerns. Instead, they responded with intimidation and violence.

After every major protest, police arrests and charges P.T.M. activists and supporters with rioting, treason or terrorism. Some of our activists are still being incarcerated under a colonial-era discriminatory law, which is no longer on the books.

When we soldiered on, they unleashed the Taliban. In July, four P.T.M. protesters were killed and dozens injured after Taliban fighters fired at them. A military spokesman declared these Taliban fighters to be members of a peace committee and praised them for fighting terrorism and doing their part for “stabilization.”

More recently, on Feb. 2, Arman Luni, a leader of our movement, who taught at a college, died after he was beaten up by the police for protesting against a terrorist attack in Balochistan province. My fellow activists and I were barred from joining his funeral. We participated anyway but were forced to leave the province after midnight. As we were driving out, the security forces fired at our car.

Our demands and actions are underwritten by the Constitution of our country but the military is trying to portray us as traitors and enemy agents.

While vile propaganda against our movement is reported as news, the security establishment has ensured that almost nothing is reported about our movement in the mainstream Pakistani newspapers and television networks.

The military unleashed thousands of trolls to run a disinformation campaign against the P.T.M., accusing us of starting a “hybrid war.” Almost every day they accuse us of conspiring with Indian, Afghan or American intelligence services. Most of our activists, especially women, face relentless online harassment. A social media post expressing support for our campaign leads to a knock from the intelligence services.

Scores of our supporters have been fired from their jobs. Many activists are held under terrorism laws. Alamzaib Khan Mehsud, an activist who was gathering data and advocating on behalf of victims of land mines and enforced disappearances, was arrested in January. Hayat Preghal, another activist, was imprisoned for months for expressing support from our movement on social media. He was released in October but barred from leaving the country and lost his pharmacist job in Dubai, his sole source of income.

Gulalai Ismail, a celebrated activist, has been barred from leaving Pakistan. On Feb. 5, while protesting against the death of Mr. Luni, the college teacher and P.T.M. leader, she was detained and held incommunicado in an unknown place for 30 hours before being released. Seventeen other activists are still being detained in Islamabad.

Imran Khan, who once boasted of his Pashtun origins, took office as the new prime minister of Pakistan in August, but his government has chosen to do little to change the state’s attitude toward our demands for justice and civil rights.

The military is keen to ensure absolute control. We are not seeking a violent revolution, but we are determined to push Pakistan back toward a constitutional order. We are drawing some consolation from the recent judgment by Pakistan’s Supreme Court telling the military and the intelligence agencies to stay out of politics and media.

To heal and reform our country, we seek a truth and reconciliation commission to evaluate, investigate and address our grievances. Since our movement emerged, public opinion in Pakistan has turned against extrajudicial killings. Most major political parties maintain that enforced disappearances have no place in the country.

The legal and structural changes will take time, but breaking the silence and reducing the fear sustained for decades by the security apparatus is a measure of our success, even if the P.T.M.’s leaders are imprisoned or eliminated.

Manzoor Ahmad Pashteen is the leader of the Pashtun Tahafuz Movement.


In Pakistan, a Pashtun Cry for Equality and Justice : NYT Clicky


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