Pashtun Civil War

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Postby vinayak_d » 10 Oct 2007 22:43

Excellent post JC. Bacha khan supported paki claim to kashmir and thats enough to include him in with the other paki mofo's as far as I am concerned.
Hope the tally crosses 350 today...

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Postby vishnua » 10 Oct 2007 22:46

What Jcage is saying real politics.

They say Payback is B##ch.

What did PVN say Inaction is also an action.

we have great oppurtunity here to sit watch.we don't need to do anything but have to make sure bonfire always has enough fuel. Do it for mother earth as it cannot bear too much population.

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it is not that pasthuns are the only voilent ppl in the subcontinent. . The indian folks very voilent at the core. Not the city folks but ppl who actual are nerves of the republic, ppl across taluks, district headquarters and villages.All you need is direction and leadership. If RSS was formed say in 1250AD instead of 1920's may be things would have been different today but it is all what ifs and buts which does not make sense now.

This myth of pasthuns and afghans are "warrior" folks has be to broken.

Mahatma Gandhi figured that out very early in the independence struggle, hence opted for non voilence. Other wise we would have 25 crores instead of 30 crores of population at the time of partition.

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Postby Raju » 10 Oct 2007 22:48

sunilUpa wrote:

link


yes that one.

The Afghan students, who I am guessing are ethnic tajik's related to Northern Alliance led by Masood and longest recipients of Indian largesse have no qualms in abusing their benefactors.

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Postby ramana » 10 Oct 2007 22:49

Raju, How relevant is that to the thread title? Those are Afghans in Lucknow. Not Pashtuns in Lucknow. Please be more circumspect in future. and delete those. Could be in Islamism thread though. Looks like Ummah considerations made them act.

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Postby Raju » 10 Oct 2007 23:06

In either case sympathy shown by some may be misplaced, was the point. We are talking of relations with a group with whom we had constant touch, and ties with another after a long period of gestation.

The effect of radical Islam in the interregnum or the American war on terror as a divisive force in the region needs to be studied closely. The impression that India is an American proxy in the region is fast gaining ground and that might be the reason behind the behaviour.

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Postby JCage » 10 Oct 2007 23:07

ramana wrote:Jcage, We need to support them based on Chanakya's dictum "An enemy of an enemy is a friend!"


Ramana, they are both enemies. One is a violent disorganized rabble that contributes a significant chunk of foot soldiers which has claimed Indian lives for many centuries, including post independence, including that of Indias first PVC. They will sign up for any punitive expedition against India, for the sake of Islam and personal greed.

If one reads the history of the Indian subcontinent, as you have, you'd recall how these chaps were the enforcers for every tyrant and tinpot mercenary leader. Did it end there? No it continued, to the extent of even at the cusp of Independence, when Gaffar Khans movement was incorrectly assumed to have changed the very nature of things.

As long as tribalism and Islam remain, they will continue to murder and plunder. It is in our interest that they, as a group, are so shattered by conflict and mayhem that they are happy enough to survive and not wage war on others.


BTW I believe if they join Afghanistan then they will be the majority in greater Afghanistan and eventually can turn around once the ME becomes Nestorian.


Ramana, you are talking of centuries here. This long term view is good, but frankly, its best to speak softly and carry a big stick and show the neighbourhood mongrels who is boss.

What differentiated the Marathas and Sikhs from all the other local self rule movements? Especially the latter? Their willingness to organize and fight and take the fight to the enemy. The Sikhs would also have had people who thought on the lines you posted- that the Afghans needed to be moderated and they would be correct. All people can moderate, given the opportunity to do so..in the ideal sense.

But for the sake of their people and the security needs, they dealt with these chaps with an iron hand. Because otherwise, these parasites had grown fat off the plunder of the Punjab and would promptly join up with any party that would come into India.

That is what we need to do. Complete noninterference and support as far as the reconstruction of Afghanistan is concerned.

But as far as Pakistan and its tribesmen are concerned and Govt, encourage the bloodletting and watch the fun.

I am sorry if I come across as callous and brutal, but that is the only way to deal with these types. They *dont* deserve mercy. Mercy and empathy have to be earned- till date they have only shown that they are a danger to the Indian civilization, festering on our borders.

In that sense, the above statement by Raju is germaine- it says a lot if a bunch of expats have the guts to attack other students in another country. Can you imagine Indians doing the same in Russia?

Once these guys receive the stick, they will suddenly remember Gaffar Khan and Gandhi and everyone else.

I spent a lot of time with Pals down South. Same attitude- extreme arrogance bordering on racial superiority, towards Indians. And Indian leaders at the time were singing paeans to the PLO and the Pal cause. One must give credit to PVR for recognising the reality over the idealogy and opening ties with Israel.

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Postby harbans » 10 Oct 2007 23:36

I am in sort of simultaneous agrrement and disagreement with what J Cage says. Indians firstly have been a very humane society since the beginning of time. We don't have to mentions that the rules of battle/ war engagement in ancient India were absolutely advanced, more so than the Geneva code offers today. Travellers to India have talked about battles where victors never raped, pillaged, or even hurt the opposing factions peoples tilling lands etc. The humanity was exemplified in Ashoka's remorse. In all ancient texts, stories, myths, one hardly finds execution as a means of state. I have personally argued that Kautilyas Arthashsastra with it's injunctions on Capital Puniishment is a first of it's kind. The maximum punishment doled out was exile. I'm unsure if there are any differences within the Puranic versions of Ramayana and Valmiki's. Mahabharata and Bhagavad Gita don't mention anything about death penalites.

What i see happening today in Pakistan's NW and so little disgust amongst Indians, is because the conscience to appreciate the brutality being mutually adminstered amongst inhuman and brutal opponents has ceased to find any sympathy. It's exactly as Krishna puts it in the Bhagavad Gita to Arjuna, why bother, they have chosen the path of adharma and brutality. Their path is hell. Their fate will be so.

So let them kill each others. I won't lose sleep on this. 8)

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Postby vishnua » 10 Oct 2007 23:49

Indians firstly have been a very humane society since the beginning of time"


This is very subjective term and what did it gives? present day india ?

In real world there is nothing like humane THINK SELF INTEREST and then how to justify it with nice words like above when writing about them.

What Krishna also said was when there is a need to you should guide them to hell as well.

Ramana
I think wha JCage is saying that we need to support them as long as present scenario continues.

There is a diff between what needs to be done today and how it alings with future.

Today
Let pasthuns and pakis burn each other for that matter all the afghans . The more the better untill the last one like 300 spartans or the Rajputs who fought with black turbans

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Postby NRao » 10 Oct 2007 23:50

This is the predicted breakup of Pakistan.

The US wet dream of democracy is also going down the tube. A concept never understood by the Pakis, and one that was used as a fig leaf by the US, this will kill that dream once and for all.

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Postby SwamyG » 11 Oct 2007 00:14

The wiki page of 'Pashtunistan' contains a link to the below image - "Afghan-Pak solution"

http://ismail.kmw.googlepages.com/Afghan-Pak-Solution.png

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Postby harbans » 11 Oct 2007 00:18

In real world there is nothing like humane THINK SELF INTEREST and then how to justify it with nice words like above when writing about them.

I'm sorry but your loud tone here reflects thinking based out of typically a shortage culture. Grab before the next guy to you does so. You translate that into serving self interest or now National Interest. Surprising you know so little about self preservation.

Your type of thinking may not be very hard to beat. But it's ugliness is very easy to disrespect.

Amen. :(

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Postby pradeepe » 11 Oct 2007 00:26

What the heck is seraikistan?
<added: got it now>

Not that it matters. More the merrier and it rhymes with serial killeristan synonymous with pakistan. Can that be moved a li'l to the bhest please?

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Violence Has Pakistanis Debating US Tie

Postby sunilUpa » 11 Oct 2007 01:01

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) — Violence linked to growing Islamic militancy in Pakistan has killed more than 1,000 people in a little over three months, fanning opposition to the country's close alliance with the United States.

The carnage raises questions about how long this Muslim nation can sustain its six-year fight against pro-Taliban and al-Qaida militants along the Afghan border. It has also sharpened debate over whether the West's military approach to fighting extremism hurts regional stability.

"It is a tough war to fight because of the way it is being interpreted," the Pakistani newspaper Daily Times said this week. Authorities face accusations they are "mere slaves of Washington, killing their own people to please the enemy of Islam, President Bush," it said.

The surge in violence began in July when President Gen. Pervez Musharraf ordered a commando raid on a radical mosque in the capital, Islamabad, and sent thousands of extra soldiers to militant strongholds.

The backlash has been fierce, punctuated by a stream of suicide attacks on political rallies and army bases and an apparent assassination plot against Musharraf.

It reached a new peak this week, when the army reported the deaths of 200 militants and 45 soldiers in four days of fighting that included attacks by fighter-bombers and artillery in the frontier region of North Waziristan.

Hostilities subsided Thursday while villagers buried some of the dozens of civilians also reported killed, though the army insisted there was no cease-fire. Score board will start ticking tomorrow

According to an Associated Press tally of figures from the army and other officials, about 1,060 people have died in violence since the mosque raid — 290 members of security forces, about 570 militants and 200 civilians. Most were killed in the restive tribal belt along the border.

More embarrassing for the military than its combat losses was the capture of a convoy carrying more than 200 soldiers in the South Waziristan region Aug. 30.

Pakistani officials privately call it a damaging setback. The soldiers were surrounded by tribal militants as they tried to clear a landslide blocking their path through a narrow valley and apparently gave up without firing a shot.

Musharraf last week bristled at suggestions that the army was losing its stomach for the fight. But he also confirmed a move for which some Western officials had been bracing: the pullback of regular army troops from the critical border region.

An existing paramilitary force, the Frontier Corps, which has personnel of the same ethnicity as the recalcitrant tribes, is to be retrained and outfitted with American help so it can take over security duties.

"We are giving tanks and guns to them. We are also training them. We are increasing their strength," Musharraf told Dawn News television. "When all that happens by January, we would like them to be in the lead role and army to be in the supporting role."


The retooling of the Frontier Corps is part of a strategy that includes flooding northwestern Pakistan with development aid and propping up beleaguered pro-government elders, dozens of whom have been killed as American spies by militants.

The government hopes that approach will be more effective than a series of peace deals struck in 2005 and 2006 under which tribal leaders were supposed to curb militancy in return for a withdrawal of troops after earlier rounds of bloody fighting.

U.S. officials say the accords, now in tatters, allowed al-Qaida to regroup and provided a secure rear base for resurgent Taliban fighters in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden and his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, are also believed still hiding in the border zone.

A Western military official said the new plan appeared a good one for pacifying the region over the long run.

But he said Western governments worry any short-term easing of military pressure on militants will leave more space for al-Qaida operatives to plot attacks in North America and Europe and for the Taliban to organize attacks on NATO soldiers across the border.

"What we're trying to get the Pakistanis to do is stir the pot, and to a large extent that's unfair" because it could destabilize the rest of the country, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the diplomatic sensitivity of the issue. :shock:

To shore up his domestic and international support, Musharraf has been in talks with former prime minister Benazir Bhutto that could see them share power after parliamentary elections to be held in early January.

Bhutto, a moderate who hopes to win a third term as prime minister, has suggested she would let U.S. forces carry out raids on al-Qaida leaders inside Pakistani territory.

But there is little indication that position will be a vote-winner amid growing complaints among Pakistanis that their country is sacrificing its sovereignty and risking its stability to please foreign powers.

"Gen. Pervez Musharraf seems to be in a race with Benazir Bhutto in pleasing America. That's why his army is carrying out an unprecedented bombardment in Waziristan in the holy month" of Ramadan, said Syed Munawwar Hasan, a leader of the pro-Taliban Jamaat-e-Islami party.

Criticism isn't limited to areas near the border zone, however.

"Who is dying? Our army and our own people in Waziristan," said Ahmed Wali, a street vendor in the southern city of Karachi. "What purpose does this killing serve to our country? We are blindly doing it for American interests."
Associated Press writers Matthew Pennington and Zarar Khan in Islamabad and Ashraf Khan in Karachi contributed to this report.


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Good, more Gola fights the tribals, more unrest it'll spread in Bakistan. If he doesn't America will pull the plug. Inshallah this will continue for some time..
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Postby harbans » 11 Oct 2007 01:11

Where the Fcukk is Amnesty International and HR watch? Villages being bombed and not a squeak from them?
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Postby Babui » 11 Oct 2007 01:15

An existing paramilitary force, the Frontier Corps, which has personnel of the same ethnicity as the recalcitrant tribes, is to be retrained and outfitted with American help so it can take over security duties.

"We are giving tanks and guns to them. We are also training them. We are increasing their strength," Musharraf told Dawn News television. "When all that happens by January, we would like them to be in the lead role and army to be in the supporting role."
January headline in Dawn will read - "Mass surrenders by FC jawans". Pak army spokesman - Brig. "Abbotabad" Abdul will claim that that FC has not surrendered but was sent to attack recalcitrant tribals from rear but radio contact has been lost. In a related breaking news - "Recalcitrant tribes field tanks" :D This is getting more hilarious by the day :D

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Postby enqyoobOLD » 11 Oct 2007 01:27

AllahoAkbar!

Shivji, Bliss to change tital oph this thread phrom "Pashtun civil" war to "Pakhtoonistan War of Independanj".

And let us update aljo "Baluchistan War of Independanj" and "Balwaristan War of Indpendanj". Sindh unphortunately not in bosishun to start such a war at this moment...

Nothing "CIVIL" about it, anyway, per Bin Rahman

paramilitary forces ran amok. Some surrendered to the terrorists, others discarded their uniforms and took shelter in the homes of the residents of the area and some others went on a killing spree, indiscriminately killing the local villagers and the Uzbeks, Chechens and Uighurs living in Mir Ali.

The Pakistani security forces retaliated initially with ground troops and helicopter gunships. Subsequently, unable to prevail over the jihadi forces, they called for an air strike. Major General Waheed Arshad, an army spokesman, claimed in a TV interview that Pakistan Air Force planes targeted militant hideouts and struck 'one or two places' near Mir Ali. Local villagers said PAF aircraft also bombed a village near Mir Ali called Hader Khel. There was a large number of fatalities of civilians on October 9, when some bombs fell on a crowded village market.

Till March, Mir Ali used to be the headquarters of the Islamic Jihad Group, a break-away group of the IMU. It is also known as the Islamic Jihad Union. It ran a number of training camps there where jihadis from many countries, including Germany, China's Xinjiang, and Pakistan itself were trained by Uzbek and Chechen instructors. The IMU's headquarters used to be in the Azam Warsak area of South Waziristan.

This area became the scene of� violent attacks by sections of the local tribals on the Uzbeks living in the area following the alleged murder of a local tribal personality by an Uzbek resident of the area in the third week of March. In the ensuing clashes, nearly 100 persons were killed -- about 70 Uzbeks and the remaining locals mainly belonging to the Darikhel and�the Tojikhel sub-tribes of the Pashtuns. The Yargulkhel sub-tribe led by Noor Islam and his brother Haji Omar, two important pro-Taliban military commanders who had once fought in Afghanistan, supported the Uzbeks in their fight against the Darikhels and the Tojkhels. Some Yargulkhels were also killed. Ultimately, the IMU was forced to evacuate South Waziristan and shift to Mir Ali.

Following this, I had reported, 'According to well-informed sources in the police of the North-West Frontier Province, the Mir Ali area of North Waziristan in the Federally-Administered Tribal Areas of Pakistan is under the effective control of the IMU headed by Qari Tahir Yaldeshev. Small groups of Chechens and Uighurs are also present in the area. They work under the overall command of Qari Tahir. They were being helped by Maulana Sadiq Noor, a local tribal leader close to the Neo Taliban.

'The IMU, with the help of Chechen instructors, has set up training camps in the area for training the recruits of the Neo Taliban, the jihadi terrorist organisations of Pakistan and individual jihadis from abroad -- particularly from the Pakistani Diaspora abroad. In a report on the ground situation in the North Waziristan area, the Dawn of Karachi stated as follows on July 29: 'The problem now is that the situation in Miranshah has worsened to an unusual extent. In a letter to the government, that sounded more like a lamentation, a political agent stated that the khasadars (tribal police) had abandoned their duty without seeking his permission. All those appointed for 599 posts of the levies force had renounced their responsibilities and officers of the line departments had left their offices at the mercy of watchmen. Little wonder then that a line department office and a check-post are blown up every day. Junior tribal officers and moharrirs (clerks) have not reported for work and tribal elders remain too scared to meet the political administration for fear of reprisal attacks from militants.'

Independent sources say that there is a total administrative collapse in the area, with very little governance. This chaos and anarchy have been spreading to the adjoining Bannu and other areas of the NWFP. The Pakistan Army, despite the claims of General Pervez Musharraf, is not in a position to restore its authority in the area.


This Bin Rahman is trying to get the Great Satan to directly put his armies on the ground in Waziristan? Whyphor? To watch the resulting carnage like in Iraq? Dubya would have to be 400% crazy to fall for this advice to "send US/NATO troops in depth" into this fine place. To these guys, ambushing military convoys comes as naturally as throwing stones at a mango tree comes to us. There is ZERO friendly local population there, if NATO comes in. They'll be greeted far worse than the Soviet Liberators of Afghanistan were greeted in 1979.
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Postby NRao » 11 Oct 2007 01:31

Wonder which country's pilot would confuse a village for a cave. Could painting toys be contagious?
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Postby enqyoobOLD » 11 Oct 2007 01:33

"We are giving tanks and guns to them. We are also training them. We are increasing their strength," Musharraf told Dawn News television. "When all that happens by January, we would like them to be in the lead role and army to be in the supporting role."


IOW, Free Pakhtoonistan will come into being by January, with the Baki Fauj reduced to pulling the honey wagons, sweeping the jirga grounds etc.

I agree - the Baki Fauj HAS been giving tanks, trucks, AK-47s, heavy artillery, military uniforms, boots, and even their briefs, and running away in burkhas.

NOW the camouflage burkha of that Representative from NWFP makes sense. She is part of the Wana Housewives and Invalids Brigade which has been routing the SSG.

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Postby enqyoobOLD » 11 Oct 2007 01:46

NRao:

The Pakistan Air Force under Musharraf has reached that happy state previously reached only by the Nicaraguan Air Force under Anastasio Somoza, the Ethiopian Air Force, and the Spanish Air Force in the Spanish "Civil" War: BOMBING THEIR OWN NATION'S VILLAGES AND MARKETPLACES.

This is a threshold of tremendous significance. As you know, all the above have kept up the perfect record of their respective regimes following the crossing of this threshold.

Wow! Their previous highest achievement was sinking their own ship in Karachi harbor, 1971.

Sooner or later, they may find that one or two of their pilots has some real courage - to vector for downtown Islamabad for a low-level delivery of a a full load.

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Postby NRao » 11 Oct 2007 03:38

N^^3,

Even with that outstanding record, I would think, they can differentiate.

But a similar bird in the 'hood just got me thinking. And, I am not sure that hunter has had the time to practice the runs.

No problem, just dreaming.

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Postby gashish » 11 Oct 2007 03:38

ramana wrote:I think the current Pashtun resurgence is due to the suppression of their dreams to integrate with modern India. This thwarted ambtions are being channeled into the struggle against the TSP state.


ramana sir...when did pashtun's express their desire to integrate with modern India? They overwhelmingly voted to join pakistan in 1947.

Ghaffar Khan is dead and long gone and so are his followers.

The only thing that needs to be pondered upon is what made Ghaffar Khan, a frontier Gandhi--non-violent,pacifist and spiritual leader--all very Indic values. Has any pakjabi displayed such values? Dont think so. A pashtun might less likely be in denial mode about his ancient history than a pakjabi.

Does that provide any sliver of hope of winning pashtuns over some day with this residual indic connection, if at all it exists?

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Postby Lkawamoto » 11 Oct 2007 04:01

Muppalla wrote:I think there will be massive genocide here. We might not see much alive. What is the realistic population count? How many days and how many daisy cutters are needed to wipe the pasthuns out of that place?Afghanistan is NATO backyard hence no help from Talibs of Afghanistan.


more snakes die the more snake babies are born (both pakjabis and pashtoon savages) i think replacement rate is higher than the eradication
rate

i think its time to recruit pakjabi women into combat so they don't keep givin' birth :lol:

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Postby Prem » 11 Oct 2007 04:19

http://thepakistaninewspaper.com/news_d ... hp?id=9971

PESHAWAR, Oct 10: Governor Frontier Ali Muhammad Jan Orakzai has dissolved Frontier Assembly on Wednesday.

Chief Minister Frontier Akram Khan Durrani had sent the summary to governor on Monday for dissolution of assembly. The summary bore the time of Monday, 1.00 P. M.

Constitutionally, NWFP Governor Lt. Gen. (R) Ali Muhammad Jan Orakzai is bound to sign the summary within 48 hours. However, if he doesn’t sign the summary within the specified time, then the Assembly would be dissolved automatically under the Article 112 of the constitution and all the powers of the chief executive would pass on to the Governor besides under Article 234 of the constitution Governor rule would get enforced in the province.

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Postby Lkawamoto » 11 Oct 2007 04:26

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7037102.stm]:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: burials after clashes:lol: [/url]
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(it ij deepawalee tyme)

it haj been reborted dhat bakistan air phorse is the first force to bomb accurately INSIDE own country dhat accuracy is now 399.99%
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Postby Prem » 11 Oct 2007 04:27

A Former POW Shri IK RAM SEHGAL note the repeat of 71

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=75491
He is one of the rare military commanders in the Pakistan Army who led from the front :eek: in both the 1965 and 1971 wars. General Babar's personal allegiance to Zulfikar Ali Bhutto overcame the reservations of many of his colleagues and admirers, this loyalty being transferred to his daughter after Bhutto's death. Bhutto's

Pervez Musharraf and the army can redeem themselves from the abysmal image :) that they have sunk to by ensuring a thoroughly transparent electoral process. Vilified as much as he may be, Yahya Khan is remembered for the clean 1970 general elections

(Yahya made Bangladesh and Mushya will make Pakhtoonistan)

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Postby shiv » 11 Oct 2007 05:55

gashish wrote:
ramana wrote:I think the current Pashtun resurgence is due to the suppression of their dreams to integrate with modern India. This thwarted ambtions are being channeled into the struggle against the TSP state.


ramana sir...when did pashtun's express their desire to integrate with modern India? They overwhelmingly voted to join pakistan in 1947.


This story has been dissected in some detail by Narendra Singh Sarila in his book.

Gaffar Khan was a leader who had a following among Pashtuns, and the idea of "election", politics and democracy was alive, if young in the NWFP just like it was in many other parts of India.

The rowdy gaandus who took up arms existed there too, like they still exist in India or in any other population.

For democracy to thrive the state has to be
a)The most powerful player
b)The state must not be an individual - it must follow a constitution and its control must change hands democratically.

This delicate balance can be upset by arming mad rebels who will never give up power. That is why it is so difficult to "return to democracy"

Shortly before 1947, two coincidental thought processes ensured that NWFPs nascent democracy would be killed. One was Jinnah's Pakistan dream and the other was the British "great game" that wanted Pakistan as a vassal state and the NWFP under their indirect control via Pakistan.

So although Pashtuns had a Congress party and although they voted to be part of the nation in earlier elections several moves were made to kill that off. It was decided to have a one off "referendum" in the NWFP. Before this referendum Jinnahs Muslim League goons were armed and empowered. Nehru, who went to campaign in that area was stoned and his car attacked in some placed by the aforementioned goons.

When it became clear that NWFP would be forced to join Pakistan, Gaffar Khan tried to thwart that by trying to win an independent Paktunistan. Mountbatten then played a key role here in getting Nehru to agree to a conjured up referendum to get NWFP to join Pakistan, in exchange for the promise that he (Mountbatten) would help ensure that most of the princely states would accede to India rather than declare independence. Both sides kept their promise. NWFP went to Pakland and Mountbaten did help in convincing a lot of princes that it was in their interest to join India rather than remain independent.

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Postby ramana » 11 Oct 2007 06:11

Yes both are enemies but the Pashtuns now are the lesser ones and as those who care for Indian interests we should lend at least moral support.

harbans, If you are in India, write up some Free Pashtuns flyers and have them distributed. And call a press conf. and issue a statement about HR abuses and attacks on women and Children and old people in villages by Air Force. If any one asks you your locus standi, say its insaniyat and as a descendent of Ranjit Singh's era Sikhs you are duty bound to talk about such atrocities being commited on poor defence less people.

if you can gather some folks march to the local Amnesty Intl. office or HR Asia office and make some publicity. Contact NDTV and other folks to ensure coverage.


If you can get bumper stickers printed at any desi printing shop have some stickers made and give them out for free.

Write letters to the DDM.


These are legitimate work that can be done to support them.

Call up Indian Red Cross and ask them to supply medicines etc to the wounded.

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Postby Sanjay M » 11 Oct 2007 06:32

I'm not interested in Pashtun integrating with modern India

I'm just interested in them disintegrating Pakistan

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Postby ramana » 11 Oct 2007 06:36

Arre baba, how will they do what you want unless they have some support? Who wants them in India? let them be free, free atlast.

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Postby enqyoobOLD » 11 Oct 2007 06:55

I do hope the Mujaheddin in Balwaristan and Sindh and Baluchistan are not idle, watching the genocide in Waziristan / Pakhtoonistan. Unless they act now, they will be next after the pogroms there. A chance like this may never come again.

What if the Baluchis and Sindhis refuse to take up arms against the gentle, kind, Allah-fearing Pakhtoons? What if they refuse to go around raping and killing the gentle kendo-stix and frying-pan and knife-wielding Waziri wimmens on the orders of the Pakjabi brutes?

What if the Pakjabi General officer corps suddenly find themselves alone on the Waziri rock slopes ..... with the vultures circling above, and a hundred pairs of eyes peering at them over the ridges around them, and a hundred flashes of knives in the setting sun?

Helicopter cover is no good at night in the canyons. F-16s are even less useful.

OK, bed time.... with that sweet dream for the health of the Pakjabi Fauj. 8)

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Postby ramana » 11 Oct 2007 07:12

Wait you cant go without completing the picture. A vignette is not enough!

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Postby Raymond » 11 Oct 2007 08:28

enqyoob wrote:
What if the Pakjabi General officer corps suddenly find themselves alone on the Waziri rock slopes ..... with the vultures circling above, and a hundred pairs of eyes peering at them over the ridges around them, and a hundred flashes of knives in the setting sun?

Helicopter cover is no good at night in the canyons. F-16s are even less useful.

OK, bed time.... with that sweet dream for the health of the Pakjabi Fauj. 8)

The Beast. :)

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Postby Arun_S » 11 Oct 2007 09:20

harbans wrote:Where the Fcukk is Amnesty International and HR watch? Villages being bombed and not a squeak from them?


Amnesty International is a prostitute of USA/UK/Europe: a useful dog that can be leashed on civil and dhimmi society.

This is not an area that tends to be unsafe sometime, instead it is an area that respects no civility and safe some times. And the few zealots in Amnesty will rather have their arse protected than venture into the land that enjoys young boys and fair skinned unbelievers. Known to first enjoy the skin and then skin them alive.

That breed of Izlam does not allow middle kingdom traitors like Arundhati Roy amongst the land, one that will invite Amnesty International and provide bed-spread to screw their own interests.

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Postby SSridhar » 11 Oct 2007 09:33

Lkawamoto wrote:[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7037102.stm]:lol:
(it ij deepawalee tyme)

it haj been reborted dhat bakistan air phorse is the first force to bomb accurately INSIDE own country dhat accuracy is now 399.99%


True...but, they first did that a long time back, 1972 when ZAB asked the brave TSPAF to strafe and bomb Balochis. Before that, the redoubtable Jinnah, asked the TSPAF to flex its muscle to subjugate a determined Khan of Kalat. Then again, the Bugtis were attacked with the newly acquired Cobras in 2005.

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Postby surinder » 11 Oct 2007 09:38

Arun_S wrote:
harbans wrote:Where the Fcukk is Amnesty International and HR watch? Villages being bombed and not a squeak from them?


Amnesty International is a prostitute of USA/UK/Europe: a useful dog that can be leashed on civil and dhimmi society.

This is not an area that tends to be unsafe sometime, instead it is an area that respects no civility and safe some times. And the few zealots in Amnesty will rather have their arse protected than venture into the land that enjoys young boys and fair skinned unbelievers. Known to first enjoy the skin and then skin them alive.

That breed of Izlam does not allow middle kingdom traitors like Arundhati Roy amongst the land, one that will invite Amnesty International and provide bed-spread to screw their own interests.


And for this reason, we should encourage them to go. Make them as uncomfortable as possible. Show them their impotence.

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PS: Thanks for explaining Mujra. You know, when I meet Pakjabis, I sense a quite quiet withdrawal. Many of them try to rouse me against the Hindus. It rankles them that Sikhs are with the Hindus. Their most power dream has been Sikhs against Hindus. One such Pakjabi restauranter said that he himself had gone to the front in 1965 and saw the whole battle field littered with bodies with long hair. He was implying that Hindus have used you simple Sikhs to fight their dirty wars.

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Postby niran » 11 Oct 2007 11:46

Gentlemen of the thread,
Do I read correctly? folks here wants a quick end to the present drama with
a break up of pukistan. wants amnesty and whatnot in there to speed up the
process.
Well IMVHO what we need to do is send a message to jarnail Gola through
the hot line(hope it is still working) stating something like this
atta boy, you are doing great. crush these fanatics. Meanwhile smuggle in
few crates of Iglas to brave freedom fighters.All in all try to prolong this
drama for at least 50 yrs. let it be the Indian version of "thousand cuts"
scheme. I always think that we lost a great opportunity in 71. we should have
let east & west Tsp fight it out themselves. it would have festered like an
infected Tumor. by now there would have been no TSP.
JMT.

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Postby menon » 11 Oct 2007 12:12

surinder wrote:
Arun_S wrote:
harbans wrote:Where the Fcukk is Amnesty International and HR watch? Villages being bombed and not a squeak from them?


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That breed of Izlam does not allow middle kingdom traitors like Arundhati Roy amongst the land, one that will invite Amnesty International and provide bed-spread to screw their own interests.


And for this reason, we should encourage them to go. Make them as uncomfortable as possible. Show them their impotence.

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Where is Andhi Roy and Kampanicrying for the villagers who are being bombed? Why not they hold a Candle lit vigil at teh nearest 5 star hotel with coctails thereafter?

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Postby Philip » 11 Oct 2007 13:10

A new Pashtun "P"stan" or whatever would be an admirable soultion,also forming a buffer between pak and Afghanistan,whose neo-imperial designs upon Afghanistan have cost them dearly thus far.It is the presence of the US and NA(sian)TO troops in the region that has actually accelerated the chaos in this region.The Us'spressure on Pak in hunting down Al Qs leadership that is perpetuating the crisis.So much for US friendship.It is the very kiss of death.

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Postby Raymond » 11 Oct 2007 13:23

Big Waziristan offensive before Eid
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\10\11\story_11-10-2007_pg1_4

The government has abandoned the hope that talks can restore peace in North Waziristan and given security forces the go-ahead to launch a major offensive on militants in the restive tribal region bordering Afghanistan ahead of Eid, which is some three days away, sources told Daily Times on Wednesday.


[quote]The Interior Ministry official confirmed that a “Lal Masjid-like offensiveâ€

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Postby sanjaykumar » 11 Oct 2007 18:39

[i]The Interior Ministry official confirmed that a “Lal Masjid-like offensiveâ€


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