India-Russia: News & Analysis

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 29 Nov 2016 10:33

Looks like usual fake news from Islamabad , The FSB dont interact with foreign intelligence other then for terrorism handling , if there is some one who could have visited islamabad it would be SVR chief. FSB is similar to IB and deals with domestic intelligence.

Even if such a meeting were to take place it would be all over the papers in Pakistan

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 29 Nov 2016 11:19

^^^ Meeting did take place :

"But the strangest bit of news would be that earlier this month, Gwadar also received Russia’s Federal Security Services chief Alexander Bogdanov.
It was a hush-hush inspection tour aimed at assessing the efficacy of Russian ships using the port during their long voyages, to assert Moscow’s return to the global stage.
Equally, this is the first visit by a Russian spy chief to Pakistan in over two decades and it took place just as America elected a new president, Donald Trump.
Maybe the timing is coincidental, but more likely, it is not. The Russian diplomacy invariably moves in lockstep.
Bogdanov’s visit was scheduled just a few weeks before the planned trilateral strategic dialogue between Russia, China and Pakistan, ostensibly regarding the Afghan situation, in Moscow next month.
Bogdanov reportedly sought a formal Russian-Pakistani collaborative tie-up over the CPEC."

From Here:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1298977/chines ... nal-policy

Source# 2:
https://sputniknews.com/business/201611 ... adar-port/

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 29 Nov 2016 11:28

If you see the source it is Pakistani source that is claiming the meeting sort of hush hush tour and Sputnik quoting the same pakistani source.

What has FSB chief has to do with assesing of assessing the efficacy of Russian Ships using Pakistan port .......does he have some kind of expertise in ports or ships

If this was such a secret hush hush tour would it be all over pakistan news paper.

This is the same kind of news that Pak wants to buy Su-35 and its all over the Pakistani news paper , faithfully copied by ROW from same source ......then after months denied by Russia officially

https://sputniknews.com/military/201611 ... stan-su35/

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 29 Nov 2016 11:37

It is most likely Cheen who is offering use of Gwadar port to Russia to be part of the final Afghan end game. Russians seem to lap it up given their desire to pay back US in the same Afghan coin. One needs to watch out if Russian arms find their way to the pro-Pak Taliban factions.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 29 Nov 2016 12:03

^^ The payback to US is done by Pakistan for a long time now , They have developed a very rare fine art of killing US soldiers in AF-PAK by their Tallibunnies and getting compensated to the tune of $ 3 billion every year by the US Government.

This has been very good business investment for Pakibunnies and Tallibunnies

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 29 Nov 2016 14:42

How will Rus use the gwadar port? With US troops continuing in Aghanistan, they cannot reach pakistan. They will need to use chinese territory, much easier to use North South Corridor and Chabahar instead.

arun · Post by **arun** » 29 Nov 2016 20:58

krishna_krishna wrote:^^^ Meeting did take place :

"But the strangest bit of news would be that earlier this month, Gwadar also received Russia’s Federal Security Services chief Alexander Bogdanov.
It was a hush-hush inspection tour aimed at assessing the efficacy of Russian ships using the port during their long voyages, to assert Moscow’s return to the global stage.
Equally, this is the first visit by a Russian spy chief to Pakistan in over two decades and it took place just as America elected a new president, Donald Trump.
Maybe the timing is coincidental, but more likely, it is not. The Russian diplomacy invariably moves in lockstep.
Bogdanov’s visit was scheduled just a few weeks before the planned trilateral strategic dialogue between Russia, China and Pakistan, ostensibly regarding the Afghan situation, in Moscow next month.
Bogdanov reportedly sought a formal Russian-Pakistani collaborative tie-up over the CPEC."

From Here:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1298977/chines ... nal-policy

Source# 2:
https://sputniknews.com/business/201611 ... adar-port/

Russian Foreign Ministry denies reports appearing in the media of the terrorist fomenting Islaic Republic of Pakistan that Russia will join the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

Despite Russian denial, India must convey to Russia India’s implacable opposition to any project by any country that is set up on Indian Territory in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, CPEC included:

29 November 201611:15

Comment by the Information and Press Department on Pakistani media reports about Russia’s alleged involvement in the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor project

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The Pakistani media reports about “secret negotiations” between Russia and Pakistan on the implementation of projects as part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) are not true to the facts. Moscow is not discussing the possibility of joining this project with Islamabad.

Russia-Pakistan trade and economic cooperation has its own inherent value, and we intend to strengthen it. Russian companies are implementing business projects in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, including the planned construction of the North-South gas pipeline from Karachi to Lahore, on a bilateral basis.

Clicky

arun · Post by **arun** » 30 Nov 2016 11:49

Armenia blocks Pakistan's observer bid in CSTO Parliamentary Assembly

Russia is not only “Primus Inter Pares” but also the “Tail which Wags the Dog” when it comes to the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO). It would thus be highly surprising if the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s candidature as observer in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) could have proceeded without the { tacit} approval of Russia. Accordingly our Political and Foreign Policy establishment must make it plain to Russia that the Russian support for the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan as observer in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), is an unwelcome development. That the Islamic Republic of Pakistan had high hopes of being permitted to enter as observer to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) is clear given the presence of the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republics of Pakistan’s National Assembly Speaker, Sardar Ayaz Sadiq, at the plenary session of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO) in the Russian city of St Petersburg on November 25:

Russian plenary: Peace, security are Pakistan’s top priorities, says Ayaz

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 30 Nov 2016 12:01

Good for the Armenians! Pak is now desperate trying to woo Russia to replace it as deputy bumchum after China,given the good state of relations that Russia and China have today,tx to the US's antics. However,India Indo-Russian relations are too strong,too long,to be significantly altered as the Pakis hope, esp. as India is Russia's key defence partner,who has been given cutting edge milware like BMos,FGFA,Akulas,etc.,which have even been denied to China. With further def deals like S-400s,etc. in the pipeline,pandering to ultra-terrorist entity Pak. which has sent its jihadis all over the globe to wage war,is anything but an attractive a partner for a stable world.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 Dec 2016 21:21

'India and Russia are closest partners': Russian Ambassador
29 November 2016 Sputnik

India and Russia friendship is time tested and will remain forever, Alexander Kadakin said. Speaking exclusively on the occasion of celebrations related to the 70th year of diplomatic relations between India and Russia, Russian Ambassador Alexander Kadakin said that, "Russia and India are closest partners. The friendship between the two countries is time tasted ad it will remain forever."

Emphasizing the level and depth of India-Russia relations ambassador Kadakin added that, "India-Russia defense and nuclear energy relations has been excellent. In fact, they could not have been better."

India and Russia will be celebrating 70 years of diplomatic ties next year and India has announced a series of events to mark the diplomatic ties.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 Dec 2016 21:23

CSTO is exclusive CIS led defence organization , outsider wont ever get any access to it beyond observer status.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 Dec 2016 22:16

Russia’s military decides to go for India’s traditional yogic exercises
DECCAN CHRONICLE. | SANJIB KR BARUAH
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/c ... -yoga.html

NEW DELHI: Call it the Narendra Modi effect and the Indian Prime Minister’s effort to promote yoga at the international level. Communist Russia’s military has decided to go in for India’s traditional yogic exercises and the ancient art of ayurveda to cure the ill and heal the injured. These two disciplines are among a host of Oriental disciples, including medicinal systems of the Tibetan, Uighur, Buryat and Yakut.

Russian media quoted Colonel Vyacheslav Polovinka, head of the Moscow branch of the S.M. Kirov Military Medical Academy, as saying: “The decision to use methods of traditional oriental medicine was made by the main military medical directorate of the ministry of defence”.

“We are studying the experience and subtlety of oriental medicine, which evolved over thousands of years, and are trying to integrate them into our standard treatments,” Col. Polovinka was quoted as saying.

Interestingly, in November 2015, Russian and Indian military troops practised yogic exercises like “Anulom-Vilom”, “Suryasana”, “Vajrasana” and “Ardha Matsyendrasana” in special sessions during the “Indra-2015” bilateral military exercise in Rajasthan.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 02 Dec 2016 16:39

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21 ... ne-against

France’s election shows Europe’s line against Russia is fraying

Eric Thompson · Post by **Eric Thompson** » 05 Dec 2016 09:46

Russia offers support to Pakistan after Heart of Asia conference
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AMRITSAR: Russian special envoy to Afghanistan Mr. Zamir Kabulov extended support to Pakistan at the concluded Heart of Asia conference in the Indian city of Amritsar.

Mr. Kabulov, while addressing the conference, said that the speech by Pakistan’s Advisor to Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz was friendly and constructive.

The Russian envoy said that Afghanistan is the pivot of the Heart of Asia conference and the agenda of the conference has not been hijacked. He said that all major players must extend long-term support to Afghanistan.

He said that being friends and supporters we should avoid the blame game and work together, and that bilateral relations should not cloud forums like the Heart of Asia.

“I don’t think the Heart of Asia is the right place for settling scores,” said Kabulov while speaking to the media after the session.

He also downplayed recent Russian military exercises with Pakistan, saying that no one has the right to complain when Russia does not complain about Indian relations with the US.

Pakistan received scathing criticism at the conference from the Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani who alleged that Pakistan was providing sanctuary to terrorists.

Ghani also stepped bilateral relations with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. India announced $1 billion aid to Afghanistan and to establish an air corridor between the two countries.

The Heart of Asia – Istanbul Process was established in 2011 to provide a platform to discuss regional issues, and increase security, political, and economic cooperation among Afghanistan and its neighbours.

http://arynews.tv/en/russia-offer-suppo ... onference/

Eric Thompson · Post by **Eric Thompson** » 05 Dec 2016 09:47

Seems like Indo-Russian relations are done and are being replaced by Russo-Pak relations.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Dec 2016 09:50

Eric Thompson wrote:Seems like Indo-Russian relations are done and are being replaced by Russo-Pak relations.

Nothing has changed. Pak is isolated and that is being exploited by Russia in its own terms. It has to benefit Russia in Afghanistan

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 05 Dec 2016 11:43

Its a paki news site. I wouldn't believe a word of anything a paki says. Russia has nothing to gain from pakistan - a broke, beggar of a nation.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 05 Dec 2016 16:19

Ties with Pakistan not at India’s cost: Vladimir Putin's envoy to Kabul

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

“Russia has a different history with Pakistan. We are trying to explore cooperation with Pakistan primarily to counter terror. But Russia’s ties with Pakistan will not be at the cost of our special and privileged strategic partnership with India. This has been explained by our highest leadership to India’s topmost leadership,” Kabulov told ET on the sidelines of the Heart of Asia meet in Amritsar.

Kabulov was leading the Russian delegation at the Heart of Asia meet, where Russia is one of the 14 stakeholders. He was answering a question on Russia’s emerging ties with Pakistan and recent reports of Pakistan’s “secret talks” with Russia on the use of Gwadar Port and joining China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), which were denied by Russia’s foreign ministry. “I myself drafted that rebuff. I am also in charge of South Asia desk in the Russian foreign ministry and I am not aware of it.I do not know from where the suggestion to use either Gwadar or CPECBSE -4.45 % emerged. There is no such proposal,” Kabulov said.

Kabulov said, “Russia-Pakistan military ties are commercial in nature. With India our military partnership is deep and we offer long credit to India for acquiring military supplies. Therefore the nature of two relationships is different.” Kabulov, an old Afghanistan hand, stressed that Islamic State or Daesh is emerging as the main terrorist group not only in Afghanistan but across regions and suggested that India should remain cautious against this threat.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 06 Dec 2016 01:40

http://www.firstpost.com/india/heart-of ... 40492.html
Heart of Asia realignments: India-Afghanistan in open courtship as Russia falls by wayside
By Sreemoy Talukdar
In diplomacy, the subtext is often as important as the text. As the sixth edition of the annual Heart of Asia Conference came to a close on Sunday, between the comments and declarations, the narrative and the counter-narrative, lay the contours of a new, deviatory foreign policy under Prime Minister Narendra Modi. A nation's strategic affairs are usually the result of well-curated gradualism. Major shifts are rare unless there is a confluence of circumstances and a strong leadership willing to shake off hesitations of history. At the end of the two-day summit, it does appear that India is on the cusp of a bold revision. Two things are immediately clear.
One, India is no longer coy about its relationship with Afghanistan and sees the Central Asian nation as an important pivot. Two, it is fast recalibrating its historic ties with Russia. We are still a long way away from hearing the last word of an enduring strategic partnership but New Delhi is close to accepting (after staying in long denial) that the Cold War-era bonhomie with Moscow is over. Indo-Russian ties, too, have fallen prey to the sweeping currents of realignment triggered by the end of American exceptionalism and the simultaneous rise of China.
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But while one historic bond is being revived, another one fell by the wayside. In an extraordinary manouvre that reflected the depths of disparity in which Indo-Russian ties have fallen, Vladimir Putin's envoy Zamir Kabulov rejected India and Afghainstan's criticism of Pakistan and lectured on the need to "avoid scoring brownie points" on multilateral platforms such as these.
Though major regional and global players met in Amritsar ostensibly to guide Afghanistan through its political and economic transition, in reality Heart of Asia platform was reduced to staging just another boxing bout between India, Pakistan and Afghanistan with Russia trying to play the referee and media in Islamabad and New Delhi in breathless anticipation for resumption of talks.
As if that would serve any purpose.
The way the pugilists threw their punches, it became abundantly clear that Kabul and New Delhi now see no point in downplaying the convergence of their strategic and commercial interests. In setting diplomatic niceties aside and blasting Pakistan's complicity in sponsoring terror within its borders and inflicting an "undeclared war", Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani reflected his growing frustration with a delinquent neighbour. The ferocity of his charge not only laid bare Pakistan's duplicity but also ratified New Delhi's line on cross-border terrorism.
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So, Mr. Talukdar is saying that Russia will be replaced by Afghanistan! And India will be replaced by Pakistan in the Russian relationship.
The fact is that PM Modi will tighten the screws slowly against Pakistan, and Russia will take a nuanced position on this. India has still to obtain many technologies from Russia and Russia has much moolah to make on these deals. Pakistan has nothing to offer to cash strapped Russia. China? That is another story.
Gautam

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 08 Dec 2016 11:41

Russia Without BS‏ @RussiawithoutBS
Part of Rosneft sold to Qatar- who funds Syrian and Libyan rebels! This is hilarious.

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 08 Dec 2016 11:45

may be not hilarious and may be it is part of a bigger deal?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Dec 2016 12:45

And Rosneft recently at Mr.Modi's behest picked up a hefty share of ESSAR! As far as Afghanistan is concerned,the strategy that the extraneous big players are pitching for is to constrain Pak's whole-hearted support for the extremist Taliban,as ISIS is the greater danger that must be exterminated asap. Afghanistan has now called Pak's bluff.It was receiving earlier Ru eqpt. paid for by India! A stable Afghanistan is in everybody's interests.A Pak virtually on its knees,without friends,begging to be b*ggered,is being taken advantage of by Russia just as Russia "befriended" the Ottoman "turkey" to bail it out of trouble. Pak and Turkey share similarities and have been bumchums for aeons. Russia has Turkey now under control after the US/West condemned the Sultan's coup,imprisoning vast numbers of the populace,taking advantage of the failed coup.

Yes,Indo-US relations are on the upswing,something to be welcomed.Mr.Modi seems to have more faith in the US than Russia,but has he forgotten who gave Pak $33B in aid since 2001 despite all its duplicity towards the US,sheltering OBL,Haqqanis,et al? But he must also remember that if we have a strong military capable of defending ourselves against Pak and China it is mainly due to Russian arms and mil tech,which provides us with approx 70-75% of our hardware including the key cutting edge systems like Akula/Arihant subs/sub tech,BMos,SU-30MKIs,MIG-29/29Ks,MI-17Vs,T-90s,etc.,etc.and now S-400 ABM systems and FGFAs to boot. All the west's eqpt. put together cannot match what we're receiving from the Russians and will receive in the future.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Dec 2016 13:44

Was India snubbed by Russia in Amritsar? - M.Ramesh, Business Line

The Pakistani media is clapping its hands in glee over the ‘snub’ it believes India received from Russia’s special envoy to Afghanistan, Zamir Kabulov, on the sidelines of the recent Heart of Asia conference in Amristar. It only reveals fatuousness.

They are making much of Kabulov’s comment that the HoA is “not the right place to settle scores between member countries”, describing it as a virtual exoneration of Pakistan and a slap on India’s face. In fact, the comment was made in response to a request by a journalist for a reaction to the speech of the Afghan President, Ashraf Ghani.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi did not refer to Pakistan in his speech. He only spoke about terrorism. Ghani, on the other hand, was extremely blunt, calling upon Pakistan to contain the flood of terrorists surging from there into Afghanistan. Quoting a Taliban leader, he said the terror outfit wouldn’t last a month without Pakistan’s support. Using exceptionally strong words, Ghani told Pakistan to keep for itself aid worth $500 million that Pakistan had pledged for development in Afghanistan, and instead, use the money to contain terrorists. Kabulov was specifically asked about this comment; his response was that such bilateral issues were out of place at the conference.

Missing the point

In the ensuing narrative, Pakistan seems to have missed giving President Ghani’s pain its due recognition. Ghani’s predecessor, Hamir Karzai, was pronouncedly pro-India, anti-Pakistan. But when Ghani took over in September 2014, it was widely expected that he, (being a Pashtun, one of the major ethnic groups of Pakistan), would tilt towards Pakistan. He did.

One of Ghani’s first meetings was with the then Pakistani army chief, Raheel Sharif, and the meeting was, by all accounts, extremely cordial. If the pendulum has swung to the other extreme now, Pakistan has only itself to blame. It has provided sanctuary to the ‘good Taliban’.

Petting a venomous snake is never safe, it will not refrain from biting you just because you provided it food and shelter. The Taliban, as is well-known, was created with the US’ blessings to jihad-out the Russians, but has since turned against the very state it was meant to protect, namely, Afghanistan, wanting to rule the country itself. Since the Afghan Taliban has lived under the Pakistan’s protective umbrella, Afghanistan is angry with Pakistan. That Pakistan is constrained to sup with the Taliban due to its own geopolitical imperatives is of no interest to the Afghan government. (Recently the Taliban seems to have turned against its own benefactors — it is believed that last month’s attack on the shrine of Sufi saint Shah Noorani, which saw 52 people being killed, was indeed carried out by the ‘Afghan Taliban’ which is supposed to be friendly to Pakistan. The attack was apparently carried out at the behest of the IS which the Taliban is now cosying up to. Thus, Pakistan has trouble on both its borders, at a time when it has to deal with terrorism on its own soil and a frazzled economy.

Pakistan now has no control over the forces it unleashed and expects its neighbours to be understanding of its helplessness — even if they suffer the effects of those forces. Ghani, clearly, was not prepared to play ball. Hence, the fulmination at Amritstar.

Pakistan’s foreign affairs advisor, Sartaj Aziz, who represented his country at the Heart of Asia conference, responded to Ghani, mumbling that it was not fair to single out one country for terrorism.

The ‘dialogue’ between Ghani and Aziz turned out to be the highlight of the conference. Kabulov was commenting on that. All he said in essence was, let us not talk about this subject here. His comment had nothing to do with India. Why that has Pakistan in a delirium of joy, is beyond reason.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 10 Dec 2016 15:59

The Chindu article has a point, but it is already a known one, that Pakis are full of crap and bluster and bravado that has no basis in reality.

However the point still remains that Russia should have sided with Afghanistan and not Pakistan on that matter, or at least STFU like the rest of the countries.

rohiths · Post by **rohiths** » 10 Dec 2016 20:07

But despite all denials, the Indo-russian relations have deteriorated in the last 10 years. It will continue to go downhill as Russia will have less and less strategic value to India.
Russia is a dying country and by 2025, India will be ahead of Russia in almost everything and India's economy will be 4X larger. Russia will end up as a dependency of China in the best case and will breakup again in the worst case post Putin.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 10 Dec 2016 22:56

Completely disagree. Russia have been around 1000 yrs. Do not write it,s obituary yet. These guys are tough as nail and some of the smartest guys around. Bonhomie between Russia and China is temporary. China,s population and Russia,s geographic size and natural resources are a huge problem for them (and has been a huge problem throughout their history. Remember Hitler and I want more living space for the Germans bit). Indo- russian relationship will endure there may be ups and downs.Already there is significant Chinese population infiltration in russian far east, even though some of it is temporary.At the common person level russians do not like or trust the chinese. With regards to India their feelings are just the opposite.Chinese and Russians relationship is a arranged marriage and not a good one at that.

Russians do not feel threatened by India but China is the biggest existential threat to Russia in the future and any smart Russian leader will know that. Putin has set the course for russia for a long time in the future . Even after his death or retirement russia will continue to follow his policies. Dimitry Rogozin or medvedev are likely future leaders of russia after putin.

One other thing, military might does not at all equate with so called GDP. Russia,s GDP is 1/9 of USA but on the battle field they will prove to be more than a match for them you can rest assured. If any doubts just look at the history of last few centuries.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 11 Dec 2016 02:08

Bart S wrote:The Chindu article has a point, but it is already a known one, that Pakis are full of crap and bluster and bravado that has no basis in reality.

However the point still remains that Russia should have sided with Afghanistan and not Pakistan on that matter, or at least STFU like the rest of the countries.

Poor Pakis
They are orphans and they dont have their sugar Daddy in all the places they used to have.
They get some little relief from some statements. Let them have it since they are isolated.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 11 Dec 2016 07:47

They did a big mistake selling 19% share to Glencore/Qatar let consortium.

They should have rather sold it to big Chinese companies , it would have been more strategic and long term would have benefitted chinese and rosneft , BP owns 19 % already big oil giant , selling to chinese Oil giant would have been a good hedge and strategic investment.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 12 Dec 2016 01:18

rohiths wrote:But despite all denials, the Indo-russian relations have deteriorated in the last 10 years. It will continue to go downhill as Russia will have less and less strategic value to India.
Russia is a dying country and by 2025, India will be ahead of Russia in almost everything and India's economy will be 4X larger. Russia will end up as a dependency of China in the best case and will breakup again in the worst case post Putin.

It's probably a good thing that morons like you are kept far away from India's foreign policy.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 12 Dec 2016 01:23

Apologies for the name-calling....but honestly: do people realize what it would mean for India if the fantasy idea of Russia-China entente becomes true?

So when Indian people speak with joy or careless nonchalance about Rus become junior ally to PRC, I have to question their sanity.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 12 Dec 2016 01:39

And you are right. If the hypothetical scenario of China and Russia becoming real buddies, India, s existence as a country as we know it will be threatened . It would be a devastating blow to us .

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 12 Dec 2016 01:48

Realistically, I don't see it happening. Russia will never accept subservience to PRC.

And even those in US establishment who fondly fantasize about it - would find it incredibly threatening to see a Russo-PRC alliance. Such an alliance would effectively dominate all of Eurasia.

I see Trump's pro-Russian tilt as a preemptive thrust to prevent such an entente between Russia and China. Whether by analysis or by sheer instinct - a significant chunk of US population seems to realize that if they keep up their current track with Russia, they will virtually guarantee a Sino-Russian G2 of sorts in Eurasia. The "deplorables" might have more brains than the analysts in the think tanks.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 12 Dec 2016 01:53

Agree. I fantasize about a possible India, Russia and US alliance. Now that will deliver a zhappad of epic proportion to Chinkiland

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 12 Dec 2016 03:25

Trump's Russia tilt is because of the fact that Russia is the only major Caucasian nation currently opposed to US. Many white nationalists in US believe in clash of civilizations and think that western civilization is at war with islamic civilization (immediate) and see China as a hegemon against western (read white) dominance of the world. If one removes any cold war hangovers, there is really no need for US and Russia to be in different camps. There is no trade or border dispute between them.

All the concerns between US and Russia stem from cold war. With defeat if communist ideology and US dealing liberally with namesake commies alias China, there is absolutely no justification to continue with an anti-Russian worldview for US.

US' Russian tilt can be viewed good news for India as it reduces the dependence on China for Russia.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Dec 2016 04:05

US Russia alignment may provide us ample time to consolidate our national power to handle PRC. Hint will come in Japan Russia peace treaty getting negotiated by Abe and Putin.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 12 Dec 2016 08:06

devesh wrote:Apologies for the name-calling....but honestly: do people realize what it would mean for India if the fantasy idea of Russia-China entente becomes true?

So when Indian people speak with joy or careless nonchalance about Rus become junior ally to PRC, I have to question their sanity.

Russian-China-India-Asian alliance is an fact that is happening , Look at BRICS bank or China led Asian Development Bank where India is the 2nd largest partner or even SCO led business initiative

On Strategic Front look at India joining SCO which more of Anti-NATO alliance to prevent NATO expansion in Asia/Central Asia ,India has long standing policy of commiting to any alliance yet its entry into SCO indicates its security is more in Asia.

All this is driven by the fact that Growth of around 5-6 % in the next 30 years will happen in India , China and SE Asian countries , The EU barely grows and it growing even 0.5 % is considered a great achievement and US economy is into recession or just going into it depending on how you look at it.

This is good for Russia as that means Energy needs in Asian region will be the highest in the next 30 years which is also Russian primary export products , Look at the energy deal Russia has with India and China it will easily tell us why they are doing such big deals now.

It is not a perfect relationship but it is a relationship which will have a long decade future ahead that just does not mean India China and Russia but also South Asian Countries (ASEAN region ) and even to lesser extent SARC.

Eventually we will be all dumping USD and Euro and will be trading in our respective currency with each other thats one significant trend , The other is Growth will happen in this continent according to WB/IMF and Energy needs are the highest in his continent according EIA.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 12 Dec 2016 08:12

Prem wrote:US Russia alignment may provide us ample time to consolidate our national power to handle PRC. Hint will come in Japan Russia peace treaty getting negotiated by Abe and Putin.

US & Russia relations are fundamentally divergent at geo-political/strategic level , these cannot be crossed over by Trump , Putin or who ever comes later.

Yes they can co-operate in Space , Terrorism , Nacrotics , Environment , Economy , Arms treaty and these things which are transactional and business like , The only country Russia can build strategic relationships are China , India , BRICS , SCO nations and South east Asian countries barring those that are treaty allies with US like Japan where relation will remain transactional.

Even past few years we have majorly supported Russian/China on Syria and our policy is more alligned with them then the West , Even in Ukraine India support Russia or just remained neutral at worst.

There wont be any major reallignment with US-Russia irrespective who is at power , Russia knows too well about this and is heavily invested in SCO & BRICS countries.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 12 Dec 2016 08:44

India in talks with Russia to swap natural gas with China

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 12 Dec 2016 08:50

^^^+1, Dreaming about Russia- US pappi jhappi under Caucasian nation brotherhood veil is smoking vodka (if its possible). Such comments show ignorance about Russia or for that matter massa. Massa would never stop at breaking russ, and ruskies know that very well. One wants the world to return to ancient unipolar world and another wants a new multipolar world. Rest as they say is maya onlee

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 12 Dec 2016 09:02

"ancient unipolar world"? which world was that? and when did it exist?