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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Bart S » 19 Dec 2016 10:49

Austin wrote:
schinnas wrote:Any country supporting CPEC is openly against Indian interests and India should cancel deals with them. CPEC is non negotiable for it passes through sovereign Indian territory without India's permission.

We need to make Russia pay a price for this back stabbing. There is no point supporting their economy with billions of dollars when they are openly supporting a project t that impinges upon our sovereignty.

Russia is fast becoming a pariah state under Putin. He is over stretching Russia's capabilities and will soon pay the price on the global front.

If Putin wants to choose Pakistan over India, so be it. Thats what they deserve. Future would rate Putin killing the friendship with India as one of his biggest diplomatic and strategic blunders.

It would be good for India to get F-35 and dump PAK-FA to send the message. Even if we take some delays in strategic projects, its better to draw a clear red line with Russia.


US should pay a price for support Pakistan Financially for decades and Funding its Military ....All the money worth billions provided absolutely free ends up buy arms which is used to support terror in India


What does this have to do with holding Russia responsible for their actions? In what way does it absolve Russia of it's backstabbing of us?

We need a razor sharp focus on Indian interests and India first, emotions and bhaichara (real or perceived) with any country or fanboyism of any country or it's military should not cloud our thought process.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Neshant » 19 Dec 2016 11:08

Russia is operating in its national interests.
So is India in dealing with US (Russia's adversary) and purchasing of US weapons.
Russia is a long time friend of India - however even friends will have divergent interests from time to time.
A bit of flexibility in the relationship should be accepted otherwise it will not endure.

That being said, Russia does not trust China any more than it does Pakistan.
India is its only large friend and the only one it ran to when the west imposed harsh sanctions on it.
India is the only country which sees Russia's return to great power status as a net positive and vice-versa.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby kit » 19 Dec 2016 12:34

Looks like Russia will soon sell weapons to Pakistan .. interesting times

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Postby kit » 19 Dec 2016 12:38

Also ..America looks likely to retreat facing a China Russia block and India revising it's no first use nuclear policy

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 19 Dec 2016 12:49

Neshant wrote:That being said, Russia does not trust China any more than it does Pakistan.


Russia does not trust US first and then NATO countries these countries are extremely hostile to Russia.

Pakistan is a transactional player in Russian game of things , It does not want a hostile Pakistan which was the case during Cold War and a decade after that.

China is the 2nd largest trading partner of Russia after EU.

Russia does not have much future with some EU nation and US atleast that is the thing they realised in past 2-3 years in dealing with US and NATO countries with sanctions etc and it has started building relations with BRICS Nation ,CIS, SCO , CSTO and other countries and is opting for mutual currency settlement with many of these countries which is good for all these nations.

Look at just the energy deal Russia recently had with India be it Nuclear to build 12 plus reactors or the ESSAR/ONGC & other PSU Energy companies just the kind of deal done in past 2-3 years is worth easily $100 billion in trade value , this will significantly grow in year ahead , Even our military co-operation in value will easily pale in comparision to the Energy Deal we have done or in the pipeline with Russia

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Rammpal » 19 Dec 2016 13:29

https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/sien ... he-future/

Will this prophet's 'vision' come to pass, namely, India + US vs Russia + Cheen ?

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Bhurishravas » 19 Dec 2016 14:49

Austin wrote:
Neshant wrote:That being said, Russia does not trust China any more than it does Pakistan.


Russia does not trust US first and then NATO countries these countries are extremely hostile to Russia.
Pakistan is a transactional player in Russian game of things , It does not want a hostile Pakistan which was the case during Cold War and a decade after that.
China is the 2nd largest trading partner of Russia after EU.
Russia does not have much future with some EU nation and US atleast that is the thing they realised in past 2-3 years in dealing with US and NATO countries with sanctions etc and it has started building relations with BRICS Nation ,CIS, SCO , CSTO and other countries and is opting for mutual currency settlement with many of these countries which is good for all these nations.


Russians have in the past and continue to look westward. When the west dont give them bhao, they look at alternatives. The Roos China love is a rebound relationship. Not real in true sense. Neither side trusts the other fully. But considering the present geopolitical situation, the two are natural allies.
China has money that Russia doesnt. Russia has resources that China doesnt. China needs military tech and has manpower. Russia lacks manpower and has military tech and yada yada.
But lastly, Russians are whites and christians. And they havent forgotten that the mongol invasions came from the east.
India is lower down on the pegging order. Not white or christian and doesnt have more than china to offer.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby kit » 19 Dec 2016 17:51

Bhurishravas wrote:
Austin wrote:
Russia does not trust US first and then NATO countries these countries are extremely hostile to Russia.
Pakistan is a transactional player in Russian game of things , It does not want a hostile Pakistan which was the case during Cold War and a decade after that.
China is the 2nd largest trading partner of Russia after EU.
Russia does not have much future with some EU nation and US atleast that is the thing they realised in past 2-3 years in dealing with US and NATO countries with sanctions etc and it has started building relations with BRICS Nation ,CIS, SCO , CSTO and other countries and is opting for mutual currency settlement with many of these countries which is good for all these nations.


Russians have in the past and continue to look westward. When the west dont give them bhao, they look at alternatives. The Roos China love is a rebound relationship. Not real in true sense. Neither side trusts the other fully. But considering the present geopolitical situation, the two are natural allies.
[url]China has money that Russia doesnt. Russia has resources that China doesnt. China needs military tech and has manpower. Russia lacks manpower and has military tech and yada yada.[/url]
But lastly, Russians are whites and christians. And they havent forgotten that the mongol invasions came from the east.
India is lower down on the pegging order. Not white or christian and doesnt have more than china to offer.


holds equally good for India

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 19 Dec 2016 18:04

Bhurishravas wrote:Russians have in the past and continue to look westward. When the west dont give them bhao, they look at alternatives. The Roos China love is a rebound relationship. Not real in true sense. Neither side trusts the other fully. But considering the present geopolitical situation, the two are natural allies.


In the past neither China nor India had not grown in way where they could be an alternative to EU.

In past neither was EU or US so hostile towards Russia but now things have changed drastically .....it does not mean that Russia would dump EU or US but just that they will have transactional relationship but not a strategic one as both Russia & US/EU have many deep geostrategic difference that cannot be bridged. Like Putin said US need Vassals not Partners and Russia not willing to be the one.

In next 30 years China , India and SE Asia would grow faster than any EU countries or even US and Energy Needs a per EIA projections will be the most from India and China and Geography too helps greatly in transporting

In the end its a good thing for Russia , The sooner they get from the impresison that US or EU are their partners in any way the better it is for that , and that they learnt the hardway is lesson well learnt and makes it all the more better

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Bhurishravas » 19 Dec 2016 18:26

In the past neither China nor India had not grown in way where they could be an alternative to EU.

Agreed. But, the point I was trying to make was that Russia`s first choice is always Europe. Only when it is left with no other choice does it look elsewhere.
Even before signing the big gas contract with China, President Putin said something to the effect that he was forced to look elsewhere due to European hostility.
The debate between westerners and slavophiles in Russia has a long history. The slavophiles have an upper hand only when west pushes away Russia discrediting westerners.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 19 Dec 2016 19:56

Bhurishravas wrote:
In the past neither China nor India had not grown in way where they could be an alternative to EU.

Agreed. But, the point I was trying to make was that Russia`s first choice is always Europe. Only when it is left with no other choice does it look elsewhere.
Even before signing the big gas contract with China, President Putin said something to the effect that he was forced to look elsewhere due to European hostility.
The debate between westerners and slavophiles in Russia has a long history. The slavophiles have an upper hand only when west pushes away Russia discrediting westerners.


Yes you are right , The Russian Oligarch pretty much like the European lifestyle and keep all the money parked there , The Russian people were getting European Food and had easy access to travel to Europe and that has been the case for atleast 20 years now.

The Europeans too were happy with this arrangement where most of the oil and gas were sold to Europe and the wealth would end up getting parked in Europe.

Things only got bad with NATO starting expanding towards Russia and the first major dent came with Georgian war with Ukraine backstabbing by EU/US on thier own commitment backed by their own Foreign minister it was a eye opener for Russians leader and its people ....the Sanction simply made them realise that this was a point of no return .......although most EU countries had no intention to sanction Russia as their greatly dependent on them sort of mutual benefitial relationship but with US arm twisting them to do according to Joe Biden own admission they knew that EU was vulnerable to US armtwisting and cannot be trusted for any strategic relationship .......I forseee in the next 20 years even the Oil/Gas business of Russia would move towards China , India and other growing economies of SE asia. I mean who know EU as a single union would even exist in next 20 years.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby arun » 19 Dec 2016 21:24



Clarification on comment by Russia’s envoy to Islamabad Alexey Y Dedov on CPEC which was quoted by Radio Pakistan via Press Attache of Russian Embassy in Islamabad, Vyacheslav Sentyurin.

Russia Rejects Reports of Involvement in China Pakistan Economic Corridor

Parikshit Luthra | CNN-News18 ParikshitL
First published: December 19, 2016, 8:16 PM IST | Updated: 36 mins ago

Hours after Russia’s envoy to Islamabad Alexey Y Dedov was quoted by Radio Pakistan as saying that “Russia strongly supports the China Pakistan Economic Corridor” the Russian Embassy in Islamabad has urged the media not to make its own conclusions and treat the report carefully.

Speaking to CNN-News18, the embassy’s press attaché Vyacheslav Sentyurin said, “There is no question of joining or investing in the CPEC corridor. We are not going to be a part of it, but we have our own projects which we could connect to it. These ideas are not new and the media has made its own conclusions. We don’t hide such things from India”.

Sentyurin said the press should refer to the Russian Foreign Ministry’s recent statement which said, “Pakistani media reports about secret negotiations between Russia and Pakistan on the implementation of projects as part of CPEC are not true to facts and that Moscow is not discussing the possibility of joining this project with Islamabad”.

While reports quoted the Russian Envoy as saying that Russia was thinking about merging the Eurasian Economic Corridor with CPEC, the embassy clarified that “in the interview with the ambassador it was the merging of the EAEU with Chinese project of Silk Road Belt that was under discussion. Recognising the importance of CPEC for Pakistan’s economy and regional connectivity, the ambassador made it clear that Russia doesn’t participate in it being engaged in realisation of its own large-scale bilateral project with Pakistan – that of “North-South” gas pipeline from Karachi to Lahore”. …………………………………..

The Indian foreign ministry has refused to comment on Ambassador Dedov’s statements but, sources say government officials are closely following Moscow’s statements on Pakistan.


From here:

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby chanakyaa » 19 Dec 2016 21:30

Austin wrote:
schinnas wrote:Any country supporting CPEC is openly against Indian interests and India should cancel deals with them. CPEC is non negotiable for it passes through sovereign Indian territory without India's permission.

We need to make Russia pay a price for this back stabbing. There is no point supporting their economy with billions of dollars when they are openly supporting a project t that impinges upon our sovereignty.

Russia is fast becoming a pariah state under Putin. He is over stretching Russia's capabilities and will soon pay the price on the global front.

If Putin wants to choose Pakistan over India, so be it. Thats what they deserve. Future would rate Putin killing the friendship with India as one of his biggest diplomatic and strategic blunders.

It would be good for India to get F-35 and dump PAK-FA to send the message. Even if we take some delays in strategic projects, its better to draw a clear red line with Russia.


US should pay a price for support Pakistan Financially for decades and Funding its Military ....All the money worth billions provided absolutely free ends up buy arms which is used to support terror in India

I disagree with the above viewpoint except the factual statement of the original quote. Current state of affairs with respect to land link thru PoK is a consequence of largely our incompetence (specifically that of the leaders we elected for the last 60 years) and lack of leadership in taking back PoK. We left that opening for PRC for wayyyy too long for the enemy to make a move. I do subscribe to deveshji's post below. Taking back PoK (though at a very very expensive cost human life, short term economic pain) has the potential to change the geopolitical equations meaningfully. Not acting on it could make us even more dependent, regardless of how true intent of CPEC plays out. There is always a possibility of behind the scenes conversation with Russia that may not be in the public eye, but Russia has absolutely no benefit whatsoever in supporting CPEC. It does not need energy, merchandise, access through CPEC and neither does its Eurasian union members. What is the point of blaming other countries if we are not willing to show our strength in our backyard? Russia did not demand respect in Syria, it commanded it by acting. We are demanding (sort of by saying you are against us) that countries not participate in CPEC, instead of commanding by acting. Instead of blaming Russia, it is high time to turn the table on others by acting. PoK is the key. Time to take back what is rightfully ours.

devesh wrote:If Russia is serious about joining China-Pak in CA, this might be the final straw which pushes India away from its largely reactive docile foreign policy.

Increasingly, if we can't break the Paki land corridor to PRC and cut off that land connection - we might find ourselves simply irrelevant in Asian geopolitics. The window is closing for us to reset the rules of the game.

This wouldn't be as alarming if Russia wasn't making the noises that it is. which also makes me wonder, how much of this is a complex quid-pro-quo between Rus and India. Putin and Modi are not conventional players. What understanding these two men have reached over past 2.5 years and what game they're playing....could be decisive for India.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby svinayak » 19 Dec 2016 21:50

arun wrote:


Clarification on comment by Russia’s envoy to Islamabad Alexey Y Dedov on CPEC which was quoted by Radio Pakistan via Press Attache of Russian Embassy in Islamabad, Vyacheslav Sentyurin.

Russia Rejects Reports of Involvement in China Pakistan Economic Corridor

Hours after Russia’s envoy to Islamabad Alexey Y Dedov was quoted by Radio Pakistan as saying that “Russia strongly supports the China Pakistan Economic Corridor” the Russian Embassy in Islamabad has urged the media not to make its own conclusions and treat the report carefully.


Sentyurin said the press should refer to the Russian Foreign Ministry’s recent statement which said, “Pakistani media reports about secret negotiations between Russia and Pakistan on the implementation of projects as part of CPEC are not true to facts and that Moscow is not discussing the possibility of joining this project with Islamabad”.

This is psy ops war between Pakistan and Uncle.
For revenge against Uncle abandoning Pak the Pak psy ops department is plying this game to show Uncle that they have still support from other super powers.

CNN-News18 is uncles spying agency

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Bheeshma » 19 Dec 2016 22:36

The pakis are desperate to be anyones whore. US and Russia both know it. They also know china doesn't have military or economic muscle to support pakis. So clever by half pakis are hoping china will give them money wile russians provide them free weapons. The arabs seem to have washed their hands of the pakis and the poor orphans have been seeking out new fore fathers ever since. They will try turkey, Russia, Britain even Brazil if possible. :rotfl:

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Samudragupta » 19 Dec 2016 23:35

Seems like Russian ambassador to Turkey has been shot dead in Turkey...

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby disha » 20 Dec 2016 01:30

^^ Russian ambassador to Turkey has been shot dead by a suited-booted '******' type who must have been poor and a headmaster son.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby GShankar » 20 Dec 2016 01:35

Hope russia realizes soon enough that pissful is not so piss after all.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/12/19/russian-ambassador-turkey-shot-ankara/95611350/

The Russian ambassador to Turkey was shot and killed Monday at an art exhibition in Ankara by a gunman who shouted Islamic slogans, witnesses said.

Andrei Karlov was shot multiple times while making a speech at the opening of the exhibition entitled Russia through the Eyes of Turks. Three other people were wounded in the attack, Turkish authorities said. Police shot and killed the gunman, identified as 22-year-old police officer Mevlüt Mert Altıntaş.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova described the attack as an "act of terrorism."

“This is a tragic day in the history of Russian diplomacy," Zahharova said in announcing Karlov's death.

The attacker shouted "Allahu Akbar," Arabic for "God is great." He also shouted other phrases, mostly in Turkish, Turkey's Hurriyet Daily News reported: “Don’t forget Aleppo! Don’t forget Syria! As long as our brothers are not safe, you will not enjoy safety. ... Whoever has a share in this oppression will pay for it one-by-one. ... Only death will take me away from here..."

Russia and Turkey have been key players in Syria's civil war that has raged for almost six years. Russia has provided support for Syrian troops that bombarded rebel-held sections of Aleppo for months, creating a humanitarian crisis in the war-torn city. Both nations in recent days have worked on a plan to allow for evacuation of rebel neighborhoods.

Turkish Interior Minister Suleyman Soylu said Altıntaş had spent more than two years with a riot police unit in Ankara.

Chilling photographs from the scene show Karlov lying on the ground while the gunman — dressed in a suit, gun drawn — stands over him. Moments later the killer was fatally shot by Turkish special forces.

"We are currently in contact with Turkish authorities who are assuring us that a thorough, comprehensive investigation will be conducted." Zakharova said.

The White House and State Department condemned the attack and extended thoughts and prayers to Karlov's family, the Russian government and the Russian people.

"This heinous attack on a member of the diplomatic corps is unacceptable, and we stand united with Russia and Turkey in our determination to confront terrorism in all of its forms," National Security Council spokesman Ned Price said in a statement.

Secretary of State John Kerry offered U.S. assistance to Russia and Turkey "as they investigate this despicable attack, which was also an assault on the right of all diplomats to safely and securely advance and represent their nations around the world."

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg also extended condolences, adding there was "no justification for such a heinous act."

Karlov, 62, was a longtime diplomat dating back to Soviet days. He began his career in 1976, and from 1979 to 2001 spent almost all of his time serving ambassadorships in North and South Korea. He was appointed ambassador to Turkey in 2013.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby sarkar » 20 Dec 2016 01:51

Ambassadors getting murdered for whatever reason is not good at all for the world. If it is not responded properly, it can become a new normal.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby g.sarkar » 20 Dec 2016 03:13

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38369962
Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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The attack was swiftly condemned by other countries:
*US Secretary of State John Kerry: "We stand ready to offer assistance to Russia and Turkey as they investigate this despicable attack, which was also an assault on the right of all diplomats to safely and securely advance and represent their nations around the world"
*UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson: "Shocked to hear of despicable murder of Russia's Ambassador to Turkey. My thoughts are with his family. I condemn this cowardly attack"
*German Interior minister Thomas de Maiziere said his country stood with Turkey in a common fight against terrorism
*French President Francois Hollande "strongly" condemned the killing.
....

Some reports say that the assasin was a police officer assigned to protect the ambassador.
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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby NRao » 20 Dec 2016 05:03

Atrocious. Granted things are bad. But this is no way to solve the problem.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Rammpal » 20 Dec 2016 05:08

^^^ chemical weapons, head-chopping, sniping out civilians, UK supplied cluster bombs...., how is this "no way to solve The problem"? :)

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby LokeshC » 20 Dec 2016 05:10

Indeed. For AoA folks, there are no boundaries as to how far things can be taken. As long as there is a real or imaginary manufactured grievance, one can commit any crime, shouting AoA while doing it.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby IndraD » 20 Dec 2016 05:18

Some reports say that the assasin was a police officer assigned to protect the ambassador.
Gautam

he was on leave and in anti riot police.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Rammpal » 20 Dec 2016 05:18

Unfortunately, phallus savoring, (co-called) church going bricksh.t and massa is into this too. :x :evil:

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Postby IndraD » 20 Dec 2016 05:25

Warfare Worldwide ‏@WarfareWW 4h4 hours ago
.@cnnturk: Ambassador attacker could be linked to Jabhat al-Nusra

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Rammpal » 20 Dec 2016 05:31

^^^^^wait, wouldn't that conveniently shift attention away from massa, snail eaters, etc ?
i.e.: this is way too smooth.

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Postby sum » 20 Dec 2016 05:48

^^ Im still shuddering that NaMo went all around TSP/Lahore with just a Paki police detail protecting him ( with most of them being wannabe Mumtaz Qadris).

Not a smart idea to trust police folks in Peaceful nations, it seems

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby JwalaMukhi » 20 Dec 2016 05:56

Looks like Turkey is getting there to be pakistan. But not completely there yet. This jihadi actually managed to kill an unarmed man, if he had trained in pak, he would have exhibited his bravado against unarmed wimmen and children too. That is pak's forte. Pakis have much lower bar and turkey is working towards that in a hurry.

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Postby IndraD » 20 Dec 2016 06:04

west msm trying to convince Aleppo was the reason and radicalism has nothing to do with it

Daily Mail Online ‏@MailOnline 4m4 minutes ago
Russian ambassador to Turkey shot dead by undercover policeman screaming: 'We die in Aleppo, you die here' http://dailym.ai/2i8y7TN

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Manish_Sharma » 20 Dec 2016 06:36

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/art ... ition.html

Invoking Syria, policeman kills Russian ambassador to Turkey

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) — A Turkish policeman fatally shot Russia's ambassador to Turkey on Monday in front of a shocked gathering at a photo exhibit and then, pacing near the body of his victim, appeared to condemn Russia's military role in Syria, shouting: "Don't forget Aleppo! Don't forget Syria!"

The leaders of Turkey and Russia said the attack in Ankara, the Turkish capital, was an attempt to disrupt efforts to repair ties between their countries, which have backed opposing sides in the Syrian civil war.

An Associated Press photographer and others at the art gallery watched in horror as the gunman, who was wearing a dark suit and tie, fired at least eight shots, at one point walking around Ambassador Andrei Karlov as he lay motionless and shooting him again at close range.

The assailant, who was identified as Mevlut Mert Altintas, a 22-year-old member of Ankara's riot police squad, was later killed in a shootout with police. Three other people were wounded in the attack, authorities said.

The assassination came after days of protests by Turks angry over Russia's support for President Bashar Assad in the Syrian conflict and Russia's role in the bombardment and destruction of Aleppo, Syria's largest city.

The gunman shouted about Aleppo in Turkish, and also yelled "Allahu akbar," the Arabic phrase for "God is great," continuing in Arabic: "We are the descendants of those who supported the Prophet Muhammad, for jihad."

The attack, condemned by the White House and the United Nations, was another sign of how Turkey, a NATO member and a partner in the U.S.-led campaign against the Islamic State group, is struggling to contain multiple security threats. The war in Syria has been a major problem for years, sending several million refugees into Turkey and, more recently, drawing in Turkish troops.

Turkey has become accustomed to deadly attacks — Kurdish militants claimed responsibility for Dec. 10 bombings in Istanbul that killed 44 people, many of them police.

The spectacle of 62-year-old Karlov's assassination by a member of the Turkish security forces at a photography exhibit meant to highlight Russian culture reinforced the sense of unease over the region's conflict and complex web of alliances and relationships.

It came a day before a key meeting about Syria to be held in Moscow. Those attending include the foreign and defense ministers from Turkey, an opponent of Assad, and Russia and Iran, backers of the Syrian regime.

Russian President Vladimir Putin described the killing of Karlov as an attempt to damage Russia-Turkey ties "and to thwart a peace process in Syria which Russia, Turkey and Iran have been actively trying to promote."

Putin said he and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan agreed in a phone call that Russian investigators would fly to Ankara to conduct a joint probe with their Turkish counterparts.

"We must know who was directing the killer," Putin said in televised remarks. He ordered top officials to strengthen protection of the Turkish Embassy in Moscow and asked Turkey to increase security at the Russian mission in Ankara.

In a video message shown on several Turkish TV channels, Erdogan said: "This is a provocation to damage the normalization process of Turkish-Russian relations. But both the Russian and Turkish administrations have the determination not to fall for this provocation."

Karlov was several minutes into a speech at the embassy-sponsored exhibition in Ankara when he was gunned down.

Altintas, the gunman, also fired shots in the air, sending panicked audience members running for cover, and smashed several of the framed photos hung for the exhibition. The floor was splattered with blood, and the ambassador's eye glasses lay a few feet from his body.

After shooting the ambassador, the gunman got into a 15-minute shootout with police before he was killed, Turkey's state-run Anadolu news agency reported.

The shooter's family home in the western province of Aydin was later searched and his mother, father and sister were detained, the news agency said, without citing sources. The man's house in Ankara was raided and his roommate, also a police officer, was also taken into custody, it said.

Interior Minister Suleyman Soylu said Altintas, who was born in 1994, had been an officer with Ankara's riot police squad for more than two years. He did not give a motive for the attack.

"It's a tragic day in the history of our country and Russian diplomacy," Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said.

"Ambassador Karlov has made a lot of personal contributions to the development of ties with Turkey. He has done a lot to overcome a crisis in bilateral relations," she said. "He was a man who put his heart and his soul into his job. It's a terrible loss for us and also the world."

Karlov joined the diplomatic service in 1976. He served as Russia's ambassador to Pyongyang from 2001-2006, and later worked as the chief of the Foreign Ministry's consular department. He had served as the ambassador to Turkey since 2013.

The White House condemned the assassination, saying "this heinous attack on a member of the diplomatic corps is unacceptable," President Barack Obama was briefed by his national security team while on vacation in Hawaii

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon also condemned what he called a "senseless act of terror," for which "there can be no justification."

Relations between Russia and Turkey were badly strained by the downing of a Russian warplane at the Syrian border in November 2015, but Turkey's apology earlier this year helped overcome the rift. Putin and Erdogan have held several meetings in recent months and spoken frequently over the phone.

Russia and Turkey have co-sponsored the evacuation of civilians and rebels from Aleppo and also discussed the prospect of organizing a new round of peace talks in Kazakhstan's capital, Astana.

Security threats to Turkey include the Islamic State group, and which has been blamed for attacks in Turkey. Additionally, Turkish security forces and courts remain preoccupied with purging state institutions of the supporters of an exiled Islamist cleric whom the government accuses of staging a failed coup attempt in July.


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Postby krishna_krishna » 20 Dec 2016 08:07

^^^ It has massa written all over it, with new administration yet to sworn in the old dispensation since outlived its shelf life thinks it has nothing to loose. To me this is very dangerous and sickening move, stab in the back of civilized world. Russkies would not forget that, whoever is itching for fight will get one and it would not be pleasant. The world has changed, people are in still suppa powwa cold war hangover!!!

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Postby sum » 20 Dec 2016 08:11

^^ Is it why it looks like he was hurriedly "encountered" though it doesnt look like he was in any mood to fight the security forces and looked ready to surrender and take in the flower shower when he is brought to court( like Shri Mumtaz Qadri did)?

If he was alive, the bear would have ensured that his mouth is opened and the details are spilled out

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Postby habal » 20 Dec 2016 08:18

US is losing relevance in middle east as the primary sponsor and controller of terror.

this is their attempt to re-establish their terror credentials.
the murder was a US covert operation, designed to pit Russia against Turkey.

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Postby habal » 20 Dec 2016 08:22

Russia will now be a lot more receptive to Assad’s wanting to retake idlib now.

Putin wanted a country wide cease fire but I think that is off. Putin will not give into this kind of intimidation. He played the US for time to train the SAA, hoping the US would negotiate for Aleppo.

Instead Kerry bragged something big is coming and it will make the earth shake.. All the pip squeaks funding this monstrosity were high on it. We will show the Russians. You already saw some of the internet saudi jihadists bragging that they are going to fund attacks on Russia itself?

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Postby habal » 20 Dec 2016 08:25

Putin wiped the mat with those 10000 Terrorists in Aleppo. They were literally crushed!!! Every single trick uncle sam tried was crushed decisively. Never saw such a battle before. All the terrorist tricks were neutralized as they materialized. A lot of hospitals and schools were bunker busted before the offensive so no defensive lines were available that were setup through years of pain staking work and logistics were unavailable.

I am shocked, nee amazed that 10,000 of the worst that NATO sent in for this mission were whooped beyond any measure. That they preferred to run and hide like cowards into a few dozen buildings rather than stand and face death no matter how futile.

Although 2000 or so of them are still running around some basements. Afraid to come outside because those Russian spetznaz takes em out before they can even get out the door.

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Postby habal » 20 Dec 2016 08:27

If killer is a Gulenist, where is Gulen located ?

Russian Ambassador Assassinated: Obama’s Response?

UPDATE: 13:04 EST: The Mayor of Ankara Melih Gökçek has confirmed that the attacker was a policeman. Translation of the identification he was carrying shows the alleged shooters name as Mert Altintas, a member of Ankara Police’s special operations unit.

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Postby habal » 20 Dec 2016 08:29

Igor Korotchenko, Editor- in-chief of Russian publication, National Defense magazine inferred US involvement in the assassination, tweeting:

"The murder of the Russian Ambassador in Turkey is not a single action-Islamist this conspiracy yarn which, it can be assumed that stretch across the ocean”

"When they kill the ambassadors-the air smells distinctly of war”

"The murder of the Russian Ambassador in Turkey was committed to disrupt an agreement for a peaceful settlement in Syria

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Postby Rudradev » 20 Dec 2016 08:56

This is excellent news for two reasons.

First, like the Su24 downing, it will show Putin up as the pant browning coward he truly is when faced with a stronger opponent than hapless Georgia or Ukraine. It will be a genuine revelation of Russia's incapacity to play in the big leagues when he fails, yet again, to lift a finger in retaliation.

Secondly, I hope it will convince wiser heads in Russia that dalliance with Islamists is going to reap rewards in this coin onlee. Scumbag Putin has become far too big for his boots, messing about in the Levant, ardently courting Pakistan and supporting the Taliban. If Mr Karlov's halaal-ing doesn't send enough of a message, perhaps the future qadrifications of Messrs Dedov and Kabulov will bring the realization of Russia's true aukaat home.

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Postby Paul » 20 Dec 2016 09:59

So now that HRC is gone, Putin has outlived his utility for India. There are reports that he wants to reach out to the Arab states as well. Watch Iran's reaction to this....Thank you Putin for doing the needful for India.

This murder could be an attempt to make things difficult for Trump to patch up with Putin. Putin still has lots of quivers in his arrow. But the signs show he is making mistake by veering towards Turkey. He is violating 500 years of history by doing this.
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