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India-Russia: News & Analysis

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Philip » 24 May 2017 18:44

R,Taiwan is China's weakest spot. They simply howl with rage every time a taiwanese leader mentions independence,etc. True,taiwan can't do militarily very much,but neither can China really invade it as it would immediately spell the end of the Chineseeconomy with global sanctions,etc.,plus US military action,inevitable of some sort. China would also suffer huge losses in any attempt to invade Taiwan.

What it fears most is other nations accepting the 2-China theory,for which apart from ranting and raving it can do b*gger all.A massive loss of face for it. That is what it can't stomach,being humiliated. India has sev. cards that it does not know is in its hnd.It need not play them,just shuffle them one in a way! SEnding a large high-level trade delegation to the island would alarm the PRC,but what can they do further? They've armed and are going to fund their pet catamite Pak with as much as they can. AS you said,it is in our interests of survival that we must break up Pak.Once the Chinese juggernaut starts rolling into Pak it will be unstoppable.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Cosmo_R » 24 May 2017 18:58

JE Menon wrote:Agni

Economy


Yes! and France (36 Rafales)

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby rsingh » 24 May 2017 19:43

JwalaMukhi wrote:Dated article. A little history to remind how communism is close cousin of islamism.
Is communism compeletely defeated? Some policy makers are strongly convinced that communism is still very much alive but in a different garb. Much of that drives policies dealing with it. So far as India is concerned,India is still a student and is learning about Russia. India remains a perennial student... mostly due to sentimental reasons. There is lot to learn and guide realtionships based on realistic approach, instead most policy wonks are swayed due to emotions and make bad deals all around. This blinders is very strong when dealing with Russia.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/ ... features11 '
[b]They raped every German female from eight to 80'[/b]
Antony Beevor, author of the acclaimed new book about the fall of Berlin, on a massive war crime committed by the victorious Red Army.

Antony Beevor

Wednesday 1 May 2002 06.47 EDT
First published on Wednesday 1 May 2002 06.47 EDT

"Red Army soldiers don't believe in 'individual liaisons' with German women," wrote the playwright Zakhar Agranenko in his diary when serving as an officer of marine infantry in East Prussia. "Nine, ten, twelve men at a time - they rape them on a collective basis."
Calls to avenge the Motherland, violated by the Wehrmacht's invasion, had given the idea that almost any cruelty would be allowed. Even many young women soldiers and medical staff in the Red Army did not appear to disapprove. "Our soldiers' behaviour towards Germans, particularly German women, is absolutely correct!" said a 21-year-old from Agranenko's reconnaissance detachment. A number seemed to find it amusing. Several German women recorded how Soviet servicewomen watched and laughed when they were raped. But some women were deeply shaken by what they witnessed in Germany. Natalya Gesse, a close friend of the scientist Andrei Sakharov, had observed the Red Army in action in 1945 as a Soviet war correspondent. "The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty," she recounted later. "It was an army of rapists."
The subject of the Red Army's mass rapes in Germany has been so repressed in Russia that even today veterans refuse to acknowledge what really happened. The handful prepared to speak openly, however, are totally unrepentant. "They all lifted their skirts for us and lay on the bed," said the leader of one tank company. He even went on to boast that "two million of our children were born" in Germany.
Domination and humiliation permeated most soldiers' treatment of women in East Prussia. The victims not only bore the brunt of revenge for Wehrmacht crimes, they also represented an atavistic target as old as war itself. Rape is the act of a conqueror, the feminist historian Susan Brownmiller observed, aimed at the "bodies of the defeated enemy's women" to emphasise his victory. Yet after the initial fury of January 1945 dissipated, the sadism became less marked. By the time the Red Army reached Berlin three months later, its soldiers tended to regard German women more as a casual right of conquest. The sense of domination certainly continued, but this was perhaps partly an indirect product of the humiliations which they themselves had suffered at the hands of their commanders and the Soviet authorities as a whole.
In Dahlem, Soviet officers visited Sister Kunigunde, the mother superior of Haus Dahlem, a maternity clinic and orphanage. The officers and their men behaved impeccably. In fact, the officers even warned Sister Kunigunde about the second-line troops following on behind. Their prediction proved entirely accurate. Nuns, young girls, old women, pregnant women and mothers who had just given birth were all raped without pity.

Estimates of rape victims from the city's two main hospitals ranged from 95,000 to 130,000. One doctor deduced that out of approximately 100,000 women raped in the city, some 10,000 died as a result, mostly from suicide. The death rate was thought to have been much higher among the 1.4 million estimated victims in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia. Altogether at least two million German women are thought to have been raped, and a substantial minority, if not a majority, appear to have suffered multiple rape.


What Nazis did in occupied part of USSR was even worse (many times). Even with POWs. Those nastalgic western films about western POW playing football to kill time are true only for Western POWs. One of the pass time for nazis in Ukraina was to force a women to chose who will die in her family first, then rape her,then choose next one to die and so on. You have to see greeting cards made of Slave POW's skin. What do you think angry solders would do ?

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Bhurishravas » 24 May 2017 21:17

SEnding a large high-level trade delegation to the island would alarm the PRC,but what can they do further? They've armed and are going to fund their pet catamite Pak with as much as they can. AS you said,it is in our interests of survival that we must break up Pak.Once the Chinese juggernaut starts rolling into Pak it will be unstoppable.


Agreed with the first part. China has already done everything it could, short of full scale war, to damage India. The pusillanimity of Indian leadership of past means that we can still do a lot of damage to Chinese interests and pride. In fact India should have threatened to recognise Taiwan when china was transferring the nukes.
Secondly, I dont think the chinese `juggernaut` is or will be unstoppable the way you put it. I doubt it will stand up for Pakis in full scale war either.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby kittoo » 24 May 2017 22:19

rsingh wrote:
JwalaMukhi wrote:Dated article. A little history to remind how communism is close cousin of islamism.
Is communism compeletely defeated? Some policy makers are strongly convinced that communism is still very much alive but in a different garb. Much of that drives policies dealing with it. So far as India is concerned,India is still a student and is learning about Russia. India remains a perennial student... mostly due to sentimental reasons. There is lot to learn and guide realtionships based on realistic approach, instead most policy wonks are swayed due to emotions and make bad deals all around. This blinders is very strong when dealing with Russia.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/ ... features11 '
[b]They raped every German female from eight to 80'[/b]


What Nazis did in occupied part of USSR was even worse (many times). Even with POWs. Those nastalgic western films about western POW playing football to kill time are true only for Western POWs. One of the pass time for nazis in Ukraina was to force a women to chose who will die in her family first, then rape her,then choose next one to die and so on. You have to see greeting cards made of Slave POW's skin. What do you think angry solders would do ?


Indeed. There is this true story where as the Red Army looms over Berlin, scared people in the metro are discussing the same. As people discuss that they should surrender or run away, a German soldier stands and shout-

"Silence! There is no way out! We must fight, for if the Russians do to us one tenth of what we did to them, there will not be any German living after a few days!"

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby ramana » 24 May 2017 23:59

What was the track record of the Western Allies in West Germany?

You think it was all edelweiss and beer gartens?

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Philip » 25 May 2017 11:46

In Italy ,US troops took had a ball,at the expense of Italian women,one need to ask German women too in US occupied zones. See that powerful film,"Two Women",starring Sophia Loren.In the Pacific campaign,slicing off "Jap" ears /scalps were par for the course. The Nazis were brutal,27M Russians/Soviets died in WW2,the most of any nation. War is terribly brutal.There are always victims,winners and losers,from time immemorial.What happened after the sack of Delhi? Rivers of blood ran through the streets,dogs were bloated feasting on the corpses.Delhi was abandoned for 100 years!

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby prahaar » 25 May 2017 23:40

ramana wrote:What was the track record of the Western Allies in West Germany?

You think it was all edelweiss and beer gartens?


No movie about these episodes by the allied troops.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_duri ... _of_France

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 27 May 2017 13:43

Putin: It is impossible to imagine Russia without Christianity



Putin and Patriarch Kirill attend consecration of new church in Moscow Russian President Vladimir Putin attended the consecration ceremony of the newly completed Resurrection of Christ and the New Martyrs and Confessors of the Russian Church in Sretensky Monasteryin central Moscow, Thursday. He was accompanied by his reported personal confessor.


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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

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Postby Austin » 31 May 2017 14:03

Article by the Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the 70th Anniversary of establishment of diplomatic relations between India and the Russian Federation published in Russian newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazetta on May 31, 2017

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... ation=true
Seven decades ago, on 13 April 1947 to be precise, even before India gained independence, India and Russia established diplomatic relations with each other. I convey my warm greetings to the people of Russia and India on the 70th anniversary of this momentous milestone. which we are celebrating this year. e in 2017.

India-Russia relations have been the one constant in a world that has changed dramatically since 1947. They have withstood the test of time, and grown from strength to strength. The resilience of our relationship is based on the fact that it rests on the principles of equality, trust and mutual benefit. We have adapted our partnership to the different stages of our national development and to the changing realities of the international context. We have been together in times good and bad.

Our relations of course go well beyond the last seventy years. They are steeped in history. They also go well beyond the governments. Afanasei Nikitin travelled from Tver to India in the 15th century to connect Russia to India. Later, in the mid-18th century, Indian merchants travelled between India and Russia and established settlements in Astrakhan. Gerasim Lebedev, who was a pioneer of Indology and Bengali theatre, visited India around the same period. He was followed by Ivan Menayev in the mid-19th century, who introduced Sanskrit to the people of Russia, studied Vedic literature, the edicts of Ashoka the Great, Pali grammar and Buddhist studies. Scholars like Sergei Oldenburg and Fyodor Shcherbatskoy continued that tradition during the following decades, translating and studying many Indian epics and classical texts.

In later years, Rabindranath Tagore's poetry was translated into Russian and Mahatma Gandhi, the father of our nation, and Leo Tolstoy corresponded with each other. The immortal works of Nikolai Roerich and his love for India remain a part of our rich cultural legacy. Russian writers like Dostoevsky, Pushkin and Chekov influenced Indian thought and drama. Yoga, Indian films, songs and dances remain an abiding bond between our people.

The Soviet Union helped India build its industrial base. The factories at Bokaro and Bhilai, the hydroelectric dam at Bhakra-Nangal, and the images of Wing Commander Rakesh Sharma on board the Soyuz T-11 as the first Indian cosmonaut, are etched in the minds of every Indian.

In the last seventy years, India has developed a large and diversified industrial and technological base. We are among the fastest growing large economies of the world. The potential for India's accelerated growth has never been greater, nor the optimism higher. Russia has re-emerged from the events of 1991 as a global power with international reach and influence. Its economy has been modernized and a new generation is driving the country forward.

In 2000, India and Russia signed a Declaration on Strategic Partnership. In 2010, we elevated our partnership to the level of a Special and Privileged Strategic Partnership. These documents are more than just words. They contain an ambitious blueprint for our cooperation. Our cooperation in the military technical field is a pillar of great strength in India-Russia relations. Russian equipment and technology is the mainstay of our defence forces. The symbols of our contemporary partnership today include Indian investments in Sakhalin 1, and now the Vankor and Taas-Yuryakh oil fields, the nuclear power plant at Kudankulam and the Brahmos Joint Venture Project. In the economic field we are moving in the direction of increasing mutual investments in manufacturing, development of the International North-South Transport Corridor and creation of a Green Corridor. India has been an important contributor to the pharmaceutical industry of Russia.

But we cannot and should not be satisfied with our achievements and must strive to open new vistas. We should fully exploit our mutual complementarities based on our large markets, resource endowments and industrial and technological base. We are focusing on increasing our bilateral trade which is considerably below our potential. We are opening new areas of cooperation in the energy sector, telecommunications and science and technology. We have set up funds to facilitate investment in high technologies. We look upon the Arctic as another area of cooperation with Russia. We wish to expand cooperation between the regions of Russia and the States of India, and especially with the Russian Far East. We are working on expanding our trade ties with the Eurasian Economic Union. We are exploring new areas of cooperation like railways, innovation, IT, diamond trade, and infrastructure. There are efforts towards greater joint production and technology transfer from Russia to India. We are working together to enhance physical connectivity as also intensify contacts between our scientists, universities and intellectuals, particularly the younger generation. Russian companies are welcome to join our flagship programmes such as Make in India, Start Up India, Skill India and Digital India.

The significance of our relations goes beyond the bilateral sphere. This is natural and has always been so. Our partnership has contributed to global peace and security. We have supported each other's key interests. We are important stakeholders in upholding the stability of the international political, security, economic and financial order. We cooperate closely in forums such as the United Nations, BRICS, G-20, East Asia Summit, RIC and the IAEA. India looks forward to becoming a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation that became possible with wholehearted Russian support.

At a time of multiple global challenges, our cooperation becomes all the more necessary. There is loosening of the traditional power balance in the world. New centers of influence and new engines of growth are emerging. The United Nations Security Council no longer reflects these changing realities, and direly needs reform. The world is plagued by multiple regional hotspots. Their effects are being felt across the world. The biggest threat to civilized societies comes from terrorism that is today more lethal and more organized than ever before. Terrorism is challenging our way of life. India and Russia are natural partners in fighting terrorism unitedly and with determination and to promote a multi-polar international system based on the central role of the United Nations and international law.

In India, the policy of building strong relations with Russia enjoys crosscutting national consensus. Every government in India since 1947 has accorded the highest priority to developing close relations with the government and people of Russia. My government is not only committed to following this policy, but taking our relations to newer heights.

I will never forget my first visit to Russia in 2001 with Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee. I was struck by the achievements of Russia, its sense of history and the pride of its people. I have visited Russia a few times thereafter, and every time I have felt the immense goodwill towards my country and people. We deeply value the leadership and support that President Putin has given to our relationship.

As we commemorate seven decades of our close partnership, we have an occasion to celebrate our achievements and plan the future trajectory of our relationship. When President Putin visited Goa in October 2016 for the 17th annual bilateral Summit, we agreed on a roadmap to celebrate this momentous occasion. I am happy to note that the road map is well on its way to implementation and that many new elements are being enthusiastically added to the celebrations.

I pay homage to all those, known and unknown, who have toiled and contributed to the development of the unique relationship between our two nations. We are the inheritors of their legacy and beneficiaries of their hard work and above all, their unwavering faith in this relationship. We are committed to building on this legacy and bequeathing to our youth a strong and vibrant partnership that will contribute to changing the world for the better.

I eagerly look forward to my visit to the beautiful city of St. Petersburg, and to my meeting with President Putin for the 18th Annual India-Russia Bilateral Summit and the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.

Long live India-Russia friendship!

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Postby Austin » 31 May 2017 14:55

Russia and India: 70 years together - Vladimir Putin

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... -together/
This year, we are celebrating the anniversary of a truly historic event. Seventy years ago – on April 13, 1947 – the governments of the USSR and India announced their decision to establish official missions in Delhi and Moscow. This step on our part logically followed up on our course for assisting India on its way to national liberation and contributed to strengthening its independence.

In the decades that have followed, our bilateral partnership has further intensified and strengthened, and has never been subject to expediency. Equal and mutually beneficial relations of the two States have steadily developed. This is quite natural. Our peoples have always had mutual sympathy and respect for each other’s spiritual values and culture.

Today, we can take pride in what we have achieved. With Russia’s technical and financial assistance, the pioneers of Indian industrialization came into existence: metallurgical complexes in Bhilai, Visakhapatnam and Bokaro, the mining equipment plant in Durgapur, the thermal power station in Neyveli, the electromechanical enterprise in Korba, antibiotics plants in Rishikesh and the pharmaceutical plant in Hyderabad.

Soviet and, later on, Russian scientists and academics participated in the establishment of research and education centers in India. These include the Indian Institute of Technology in Bombay, research institutes of petroleum industry in Dehradun and Ahmedabad.

We are proud our specialists helped develop India’s space program. Thanks to this fruitful bilateral cooperation, in 1975 India’s first satellite, Aryabhata, was launched, and Indian citizen Rakesh Sharma travelled into space in 1984 as a crew member of Soyuz T-11.

In August 1971, our countries signed the Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation, which set forth the fundamental principles of bilateral relations, such as respect for the sovereignty and each other’s interests, good neighborliness, and peaceful coexistence. In 1993, the Russian Federation and the Republic of India confirmed the inviolability of these basic principles in the new Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation. The Declaration on Strategic Partnership signed in 2000 provides for close coordination of approaches to ensuring international peace and security and resolving pressing global and regional issues. Annual summits have become an established practice in the Indian-Russian bilateral relations allowing us to discuss in a timely manner the efforts taken to accomplish our objectives and set long-term goals. In early June, we will have another summit with Prime Minister Narendra Modi in St. Petersburg. He is expected to attend the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, in which India will for the first time participate as a partner country.

The legal framework comprising more than 250 documents is being updated on a regular basis. Effective work is carried out within intergovernmental commissions on cooperation in trade and economy, science and technology, as well as culture and military-technical field. Ministries of foreign affairs, security council offices and line ministries maintain continuous dialogue. The interparliamentary and interregional ties, as well as business and humanitarian contacts are actively developing. Military cooperation is also being enhanced: joint land and naval exercises are conducted regularly.

Cooperation in peaceful uses of atomic energy is one of the fundamental components of the relationship between India and Russia. The construction of the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Plant with our assistance is a flagship project in this field. In 2013, the first nuclear power unit was put into operation. In October 2016, the second unit was transferred to the Indian side, and construction of the third and fourth power units began. All of this contributes to the implementation of the plans to develop nuclear energy in India involving the construction of at least 12 power units in its territory by 2020. These goals are stipulated in a joint document – the Strategic Vision for Strengthening India-Russia Cooperation in Peaceful Uses of Atomic Energy. We intend to further share best practices in this important industry with India and contribute to enhancing its energy security.

Collaboration in the traditional energy sector is successfully developing. The purchase of a block of shares in the Russian company “Vankorneft” made by the Indian consortium of companies has become the biggest bilateral deal in the oil industry. The possibilities for the participation of Indian companies in joint hydrocarbons exploration and production projects in the Russian Arctic shelf are currently under consideration. There are also good prospects for cooperation in the solar energy filed, modernization of the existing power plants and construction of new ones in the territory of India.

Large-scale projects are carried out in mechanical engineering, chemical and mining industries, aircraft construction, pharmaceutics and medicine.
One of the priorities is to boost the trade turnover and improve its structure, as well as stimulate economic activity of our business communities. I am referring to enhancing industrial cooperation and increasing supplies of high-tech products, creating a better business and investment environment, and using systems of payments in national currencies.

The decision to start negotiations on a free trade area agreement between the Eurasian Economic Union and India adopted in December 2016 is of particular importance. The possibilities of creating the International North South Transport Corridor are being explored. All these factors should promote the development of our bilateral and regional cooperation.

To encourage reciprocal capital inflow, a working group on priority investment projects was established under the Inter-Governmental Commission on Trade, Economic, Scientific, Technological and Cultural Cooperation. 19 most promising projects have already been selected. Russia is committed to long-term participation in the “Make in India” program initiated by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Our countries cooperate intensively in the production of multipurpose weapons and military equipment. Co-production of a unique supersonic cruise missile “BrahMos” is our special pride. Since 1960, the overall value of contracts within the framework of military and technical cooperation has amounted to over USD 65 billion, while the portfolio of orders in 2012-2016 exceeded USD 46 billion.

India and Russia are equal partners in international affairs. Our countries support the establishment of a multipolar democratic system of international relations based on strict compliance with the principles of law and resting upon the UN central role. We are willing to further jointly counter challenges and threats of the 21st century, promote the unifying agenda and contribute to maintaining global and regional security.

We effectively interact within BRICS – an association that thanks to our collective efforts is increasing its weight and influence. This June, India will become a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. It will considerably enhance the potential of the SCO. India and Russia also work together within the G20 and other international formats.

I would also like to note that our countries closely coordinate positions on such complex issues as settling the situation in Syria and ensuring stability in the Middle East and North Africa region. They significantly contribute to the national reconciliation process in Afghanistan.

I am convinced that the enormous potential of cooperation between the two great powers will be further explored for the benefit of the peoples of India and Russia and the international community in general. We have everything necessary to achieve this – political will of the sides, economic viability and shared global priorities. All this is based on the glorious history of the Indian Russian friendship.

Taking this opportunity, I would like to convey the kindest regards to all the citizens of friendly India.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby ramana » 31 May 2017 18:52

Something big is to be expected in this visit.

The experts' articles and the two leaders exchanging notes all point to it.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Bhurishravas » 31 May 2017 23:29

India is trying to amend its relationship with Russia. Which is a good step.
Putin has responded positively.
Rest depends on the meeting. India should have its foreign policy and strategic affairs team in strength to discuss things clearly with Russians. Afghanistan is important. Any change of Russian position vis a vis Kabul will be bad for India there.

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Postby Karan M » 31 May 2017 23:49

The message by Modi is classic Indian, praise the hosts. Putin's speech in turn smells of narcissism, lookie what we did for you, we rock. Sadly, if this attitude continues, India-Russian ties will continue to deteriorate, because India is seen by Russia as a captive market for Russian weapons, and how long will corruption & underfinancing stymie India's own R&D, not for long. Russia is seen as a provider of cheap natural gas wagehra. Hi-tech trade between India & Russia is literally invisible, optics wise. Sad but it takes two hands to clap and I hope Russia starts looking more seriously at mending ties with India. This is not a UPA sarkar.

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Postby Ashokk » 01 Jun 2017 03:32

Modi-Putin summit: Officials working overtime to iron out details of nuke power pact
ST PETERSBURG: Prime Minister Narendra Modi arrived here on Wednesday night for an annual summit with President Vladimir Putin during which the two sides will sign a host of agreements, with all eyes on a deal to build with Russia's help the last two units of India's largest nuclear power plant.

With hours to go before the summit, Indian officials told PTI that last-minute talks are taking place to iron out details and language of the agreement on a line of credit for building Unit 5 and 6 of the Kundankulam nuclear power plant in Tamil Nadu. "The agreement remains work in progress," the source said.

The reactors are being built by India's Nuclear Power Corporation of India Ltd (NPCIL) and Russia's Atomstroyexport company, a subsidiary of Rosatom, the regulatory body of the Russian nuclear complex.

The two sides are expected to ink 12 agreements in wide- ranging sectors, including in science and technology, railways, cultural exchanges and other business areas between private parties also, in addition to a "vision statement" that the two leaders will release.

The nuclear deal, if signed, would be the centerpiece of the summit, the second time in eight months after their last bilateral in Goa in October 2016.

If signed, the two units of the plant, with capacity to produce 1000 MW of electricity each, will significantly boost the country's nuclear power generation.

The current nuclear power generation capacity of all 22 nuclear power reactors is 6780 MW.

In October 2015, a joint statement between Modi and Putin promised the signing of a General Framework Agreement on the nuclear units by December 2016. After an inter-ministerial group cleared the project, it was sent to the Prime Minister's Office for approval. But, sources said, the Credit Protocol, or a line of credit that Russia was to provide, proved to be a hurdle.

"There is a lot of mutual trust and personal chemistry between the two leaders that has developed over the last three years," Pankaj Saran, India's ambassador to Russia, told PTI.

At the summit on Thursday, "the leaders will take stock of the current relationship and discuss a blueprint for a vision of the future," he said.

India's traditional ties with Russia dating back to the days of Soviet Union have been complicated by Moscow's growing economic and political alliances with China and Pakistan.

However, Saran said India's relations with Russia are independent of its ties with Pakistan.

"Our relations with Russia is on a different pedestal and we have a full agenda between us that is important to both of us. We have clear understanding of our core concerns and vital security interests," he said, hours before Modi was to arrive from Spain.

Modi arrived in stormy weather in St. Petersburg, the former capital of imperial Russia that was founded by Czar Peter the Great in 1703, and was also known as Petrograd and Leningrad.

The prime minister will begin his three-day Russia sojourn with a visit tomorrow to the Piskariovskoe cemetery, a memorial for some 500,000 Russians who were killed in the siege of Leningrad in World War II, which the Russians call the Great Patriotic War.

Modi will then be received by Putin at the Konstantin Palace, a sprawling regal complex that is also the Russian president's official residence where he hosts world leaders. After the summit, Putin will host Modi at a private dinner without any aides.

On Friday, Modi will be the guest of honor at the annual St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, which is being attended by a host of political and business leaders from around the world. It's the first time that an Indian prime minister is attending the economic and business summit.

Some 60 Indian CEOs ae attending the summit, and India has also set up a 'Make in India' pavilion in addition to hosting round tables and an exclusive India-Eurasia economic and business breakfast.

Trade between the two nations stands at $7.8 billion, down from $10 billion in 2014. The two nations are targeting to raise the trade to $30 billion in the next five years.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Cosmo_R » 01 Jun 2017 05:10

Is Russia a friend or foe? PM can look, but he won't get any answers:

"Russia-China-Pakistan axis: A harsh reality

To ward off the US and NATO, Putin is too deeply entrenched in the Russia-China-Pakistan axis to take any serious note of India’s strategic concerns in the region. Although he is not averse to strike deals with Modi, especially if they are lucrative to the cash-starved Russian economy.

At the same time, Putin has his own ambitions: He has left nobody in doubt that he intends to restore to Russia the glory that the Soviet Union basked in before its 1991 break-up. This keeps the Russian adrenalin flowing and ensures Putin’s popularity at home.

And one of the world’s worst-kept secrets is that Chinese president Xi Jinping is day-dreaming of Pax Sinica. (Latin for Chinese peace, the phrase refers to a point in history some 1,000 to 1,500 years ago when unchallenged Chinese hegemony enforced peace in East Asia.) This keeps Chinese jingoism at a level that Xi desires to remain in power — he needs a report card for the Communist Party of China Congress in November — and nominate a head-nodding stooge in his place whenever he chooses to retire."

http://www.firstpost.com/india/narendra ... 01993.html

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Postby Gagan » 01 Jun 2017 07:54

The advantage of the Ka-226 I see is that it can be like a mini sirkorsky skycrane.
It can drop off a pallet of food and support equipment off in high altitude bases, and quickly leave. It can come back and pick up the pallet later.
Will simplify logistics to a very large extent.

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Postby Philip » 01 Jun 2017 10:22

The worst that can take place is for each dancer to occasionally step on the other's toes while "dancing". The relationship is too large to collapse,we both need each other,each other's trade and diplomatic cooperation to fend off a uni-polar world led by the US.

There are new divergence of opinion,mostly on Afghanistan.The latest bombing by the Paki proxies won't help their cause. Russia wants to seal off Islamism from the Af-Pak region into Cenrtal Asia,and realises that some deal; of sorts may have to be made with the Taliban. India cannot allow this to happen,Afghanistan once again becoming a Paki proxy,which will then allow it to use all its mil forces against India in J&K. This is a great chess game in progress. India's interests lie in destabilising Pak to the maximum,to keep it off balance and massively modernising and increasing its mil capability to counter a Sino-Pak JV.Pres. Putin must be told this hard truth by PM M. Russia must also be told that China's anti-Indian policies only draw us closer to the West/US and its mil allies.

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India, Russia are 'natural partners' in fighting terrorism: PM Narendra Modi

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

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7O YEARS OF INDIA-RUSSIA: SPACE EXPLORATION

http://www.makeinindia.com/article/-/v/ ... xploration

As India and Russia mark 70 years of diplomatic ties, India is Guest Country at the St Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) from June 1-3, 2017. In the run-up to SPIEF, we take a closer look at collaborations in space exploration.

Russia has played an important role in India’s space journey, and space remains one of the key pillars of the strategic partnership between the two countries. Over the years India’s indigenous space programme has benefited from Russian technical and scientific assistance. The first man to travel to space, Russian cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin predicted a future collaboration between the two nations, back in 1961, when he spent 8 days in India.

“I think that sometime Soviet and Indian cosmonauts will research unexplored expanses of space together,” Gagarin said at a meeting in Delhi.1

Two decades later, Rakesh Sharma made the nation proud, becoming the first Indian to travel to outer space, on board the Soyuz T-11 spacecraft with a Russian commander and a Russian flight engineer.2

India has come a long way since then. India’s successful Mars Orbiter Mission helped establish its presence on the world stage as a space power. It is the only country in Asia to have successfully launched a Mars mission and the only one in the world to have done so in its maiden attempt3. India has strived towards developing advanced space technologies that will help improve the lives of Indians. It is one of the few countries in the world to have its very own satellite navigation system. When India sent the Chandrayaan spacecraft to the moon back in 2008, it became the fourth country in the world to hoist its flag on the moon4. In 2017, India created history by launching a record 104 satellites on a single mission5. Visibly, India’s accomplishments in the sector have been astounding.


FORTY-TWO YEARS AND COUNTING

India and Russia have a four-decade strong relationship in the field of space. The former Soviet Union launched India’s first two satellites, Aryabhata and Bhaskar, into orbit from Baikonur Cosmodrome.6 Aryabhata was launched on the Soviet launch vehicle Soyuz.7

Even today, both countries cooperate on lunar and Mars exploration missions.8 India will be using Russian isotope products in its lunar mission Chandrayaan-2, which will be launched in 2018.

The long list of agreements is indicative of the shared commitment to jointly develop space programmes for mutual advantage.

The second of India’s Mini Satellite (IMS) series, YOUTHSAT, is a joint Indo-Russian mission, in which University students have participated. The mission aims to understand how solar activity variation affects Earth’s upper atmosphere. The satellite has three payloads - two Indian and one Russian.9


BILATERAL AGREEMENTS


When Russian President Vladimir Putin visited India in December 2004, the two countries signed two space-related bilateral agreements, namely the ‘Inter-governmental Umbrella Agreement on Cooperation in Outer space for Peaceful Purposes’ and the ‘Inter Space Agency Agreement on Cooperation in the Russian Satellite Navigation System GLONASS’.10

In 2005, another agreement to take forward the implementation of the 2004 agreement envisaging joint development of user equipment for exploitation of the signals for commercial purposes and launching of GLONASS satellite using GSLV launch vehicle of India was signed. Agreement on cooperation in the field of solar physics and solar terrestrial relationships within the framework of Coronas-Photon project was also signed in 2005 to enable integration of the Indian RT-2 payload with the Coronas-Photon spacecraft.11

2007 witnessed the signing of an agreement between ISRO and Russia’s space agency Roscosmos to jointly develop India’s Chandrayaan-2 mission12

In 2015, the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) and Russian Federal Space Agency (ROSCOSMOS) signed a new MoU on expanding cooperation in the exploration and use of outer space for peaceful purposes. This has opened-up opportunities for collaboration in the following areas of mutual interest:

Satellite navigationLaunch vehicle developmentCritical technologies for human spaceflight programmeRemote sensing of EarthSpace science and planetary explorationUse of ground space infrastructureJoint projects that call for sharing of expertise and resourcesDevelopment of space systems and componentsExchange of scientistsTraining and scientific and technical meetings13

THE BRICS SUMMIT

When the Russian President and Indian Prime Minister met at the BRICS Summit 2016 in Goa, they “reaffirmed their commitment to pursue the immense potential to cooperate in outer space with a view to advance socially useful applications and scientific knowledge.”14

They emphasised that the space agencies of both nations would engage more actively on space technology applications, launch vehicle, satellite navigation, space science and planetary exploration.15

They also confirmed their commitment to “elaborate within the Scientific and Technical Subcommittee of the UN Committee on Space a consolidated approach to the preparation of the set of guidelines for the long-term sustainability of outer space activities and regulatory provisions on safety of space operations, as the most important component of the said document.”16

The two leaders also welcomed the signing of a MoU to set up and utilise ground measurement gathering stations in each other’s territories to enhance the navigation satellite systems GLONASS and NavIC respectively.

Source:

1 https://in.rbth.com/blogs/tatar_straits ... rin_655041
2 https://in.rbth.com/blogs/tatar_straits ... rin_655041
3 https://in.rbth.com/amp/351239
4 https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/India's_flag_lands_on_Moon
5 http://www.wsj.com/video/india-record-b ... B89B1.html
6 http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/dev/hil ... abhata.htm
7 https://mea.gov.in/Portal/ForeignRelati ... 1_2016.pdf
8 https://in.rbth.com/space
9 http://www.isro.gov.in/Spacecraft/youthsat-0
10 https://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/01/1 ... club_32181
11 https://in.rbth.com/amp/351239
12 https://in.rbth.com/amp/351239
13 http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease. ... lid=123593
14 http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... V5nQN.html
15 http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... V5nQN.html
16 http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... V5nQN.html

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Narendra Modi ✔ @narendramodi
Met President Putin. We had a wonderful meeting during which we discussed India-Russia relations.
@KremlinRussia_E

https://www.rt.com/business/390398-spie ... orum-2017/
India will soon gain full membership in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), said President Putin, adding that Moscow has always backed the decision.

"In a week, we will formalize India’s full-fledged accession to the SCO," Putin said during a meeting with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

The SCO currently brings together Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan.

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Postby rsangram » 01 Jun 2017 19:33

Philip wrote:The worst that can take place is for each dancer to occasionally step on the other's toes while "dancing". The relationship is too large to collapse,we both need each other,each other's trade and diplomatic cooperation to fend off a uni-polar world led by the US.

There are new divergence of opinion,mostly on Afghanistan.The latest bombing by the Paki proxies won't help their cause. Russia wants to seal off Islamism from the Af-Pak region into Cenrtal Asia,and realises that some deal; of sorts may have to be made with the Taliban. India cannot allow this to happen,Afghanistan once again becoming a Paki proxy,which will then allow it to use all its mil forces against India in J&K. This is a great chess game in progress. India's interests lie in destabilising Pak to the maximum,to keep it off balance and massively modernising and increasing its mil capability to counter a Sino-Pak JV.Pres. Putin must be told this hard truth by PM M. Russia must also be told that China's anti-Indian policies only draw us closer to the West/US and its mil allies.


Does anyone know if the issue of Russia support for Taliban came up for discussion, either between Putin-Modi directly or between bilateral meetings of other high level officials on the side, during this visit yesterday and today ? And if they did, what was the outcome ? Anything concrete ?

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Postby Rudradev » 01 Jun 2017 21:21

Going to RT dot com is instructive. Not ONE word about Modi's visit, India-Russia relations or any such thing on the front page. Meanwhile there is an OpEd talking about how Russia has forsaken the West for an alliance with China.

We don't matter to these Russians, and we are fools if we let them matter to us. They have shown time and again, through collusion with China and Pakistan in ways that directly threaten our interests, that India would be best advised to regard Moscow as a borderline hostile power.

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Postby Austin » 01 Jun 2017 21:44

Check the SPIEF section on RT also this link covers India quite well http://www.makeinindia.com/spief

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Postby Austin » 01 Jun 2017 21:46

from tass http://tass.ru/pmef-2017/articles/4299075
Russia will give India a loan of $ 4.2 billion for the construction of two nuclear power units "Kudankulam".

Russian President Vladimir Putin reiterated that India will be built 12 nuclear reactors of Russian design. The countries intend to implement 19 projects in the pharmaceutical industry, aviation and automotive engineering, agriculture. "All the past decade, bilateral cooperation has developed steadily in all directions on the friendly and mutually beneficial basis now Russo-Indian partnership is truly strategic and highly privileged nature." - said the head of the Russian state to journalists after talks with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

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Postby Austin » 01 Jun 2017 21:47

Tommorow Modi is key speaker at SPIEF , lets see what he has to say and what/if the deals gets signed.

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Postby ShauryaT » 01 Jun 2017 21:58

^I hope something on the SSN even if unannounced.

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Postby Ashokk » 01 Jun 2017 22:22

Actually the coverage of the indian PM's visit and India's participation in SPIEF was quite comprehensive on local russian TV news.


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Postby Cain Marko » 01 Jun 2017 22:35

Hmm, no defence deals so far? Sounds ominous. Lots of noise about s400, pakfa, ssn 2.0 ityadi, nothing but eerie silence so far.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby ramana » 01 Jun 2017 22:44

RD et al, NaMo is no good . Bring back MMS.

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Postby Austin » 01 Jun 2017 22:44

ShauryaT wrote:^I hope something on the SSN even if unannounced.


Its a business forum so expect business deals and defence deals will happened during annual bilateral visit in Nov-Dec if they ever signed a deal for SSN they wont be announcing it.

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Postby Austin » 01 Jun 2017 22:46

PTI EXCLUSIVE: No 'tight' military ties with Pak, Indo-Russia ties cannot be diluted: Putin

http://www.ptinews.com/news/8758888_PTI ... Putin.html

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Postby Bhurishravas » 02 Jun 2017 00:16

Philip wrote: Russia wants to seal off Islamism from the Af-Pak region into Cenrtal Asia,and realises that some deal; of sorts may have to be made with the Taliban.

Russia wants NATO out of Afghanistan. India wants and needs NATO there till the state of Afghanistan stabilises. NATO has signed to be in Afghanistan till 2024. India needs to convince Putin to be patient.

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Postby JE Menon » 02 Jun 2017 00:47

Rudradev wrote:Going to RT dot com is instructive. Not ONE word about Modi's visit, India-Russia relations or any such thing on the front page. Meanwhile there is an OpEd talking about how Russia has forsaken the West for an alliance with China.

We don't matter to these Russians, and we are fools if we let them matter to us. They have shown time and again, through collusion with China and Pakistan in ways that directly threaten our interests, that India would be best advised to regard Moscow as a borderline hostile power.


I don't know about the website, but on the RT TV channel it has been comprehensive and headline coverage. Been watching since Mid-Day Central European Time


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