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Postby Austin » 04 Apr 2018 15:39

Live: MOD Nirmala speaks at Seventh Moscow Conference on International Security


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Postby Austin » 04 Apr 2018 16:45

The US and part of Europe are not ready for a multipolar world and still resort to coercion and dictatorship - the head of the Russian Intelligence SVR
04/04/2018 10:19:25

*** Instead of looking to the future, the West clings to the past

Moscow. April, 4. INTERFAX-AVN - The United States and part of Europe do not want to come to terms with the weakening of their influence, resort to dictate, said Sergei Naryshkin, Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation.

"New influential centers of power, such as India, Brazil, South Africa and, of course, China and Russia, are emerging and strengthening in the international arena, but Western powers are not happy with such changes." In fact, the United States and part of Europe were not ready for such changes ", S.Naryshkin said at the Seventh Moscow International Security Conference on Wednesday.


According to him, "they can not and do not want to face the truth, to accept the inevitable weakening of their own once-undivided influence, they are still trying to build relations with other states on old, rooted in the colonial system, principles such as coercion and dictate ".

"Instead of looking to the future, the West is clinging to the past and trying to build on the already obsolete tools of the Cold War period, primarily the block system, institutions such as NATO, the EU, which in the past were indeed effective with point of view of promoting Western interests, "S. Naryshkin said.

"Turning, in fact, into retrograde," stressed the head of the SVR, "and not being able to put things in order at home, the United States and its allies are trying to stop or at least slow down the objective transformation of the global world order."


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Postby Vips » 04 Apr 2018 18:57

Any news on the S 400 deal so far? After protracted 'negotiations' spread over 3 years Nirmala Sitharaman is supposed to have traveled just for signing it.

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Postby Cosmo_R » 05 Apr 2018 03:38

Vips wrote:Any news on the S 400 deal so far? After protracted 'negotiations' spread over 3 years Nirmala Sitharaman is supposed to have traveled just for signing it.

"India and Russia are ready to close deal on the S400 Triumf advanced surface-to-air missile system (SAMs), and a commerical contract is most likely to be signed during Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman's visit to Russia in April this year. ..... "

https://www.firstpost.com/india/nirmala ... 04543.html

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Postby Viv S » 05 Apr 2018 07:47

Not according to TASS. The deal's still stuck on price apparently.

Delivery contract on S-400 systems for India won’t be signed at Moscow conference - source

The sides have not yet agreed on the price of the deal, the source said
MOSCOW, April 4. /TASS/. A contract for the delivery of S-400 Triumf missile systems to India won’t be signed during the current visit by Indian Defense Minister Nirmala Sitharaman to Moscow, a source in military-diplomatic circles told TASS on the sidelines of the Moscow international security conference on Wednesday.

"All the technical parameters of the contract have been fully agreed; however, the sides have not yet agreed on the price of the deal," the source said.

Some media outlets earlier reported that India and Russia were close to signing a contract on the delivery of S-400 air defense missile systems and that its signing might take place during Sitharaman’s visit to Moscow.

At the same time, the source was optimistic about the prospects of signing the S-400 deal.

"The sides are continuing the negotiations on this sole issue that has not yet been agreed and there are no doubts that the document will be signed shortly," the source noted.

TASS has no official confirmation of this information.

Contracts signed on S-400 deliveries

By now, Russia has signed delivery contracts on S-400 surface-to-air missile systems with China and Turkey.

The first regiment set of S-400 air defense missile systems without auxiliary equipment has already been delivered to the Chinese side by sea.

Under an additional agreement between the parties, the regiment set of S-400 missile systems will be delivered to Turkey in October 2019, which is several months ahead of the earlier agreed date.

India may become the third country to receive Russian-made S-400 air defense missile systems.

The S-400 Triumf is the Russian long-and medium-range air defense missile system intended to hit attack and reconnaissance planes, including stealth aircraft, and any other air targets. The S-400 can engage up to 80 targets at a time at a distance of 400 km and an altitude of 30 km.

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Postby Vips » 05 Apr 2018 09:31

It is unlikely Russia will sell it except for a very high price and unless we buy something else too (more smoking engines or tin cans)

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 05 Apr 2018 19:52

Jeff M. Smith https://twitter.com/Cold_Peace_/status/ ... 7357896705


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An Indian purchase of Russian S-400 missile defense system could indeed trigger U.S. sanctions. This is a space India-watchers need to watch. The only consolation: "finalizing" a deal like this usually involves 6 MoUs, 9 letters of intent, 11 signing statements, and 14 years.

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Postby Austin » 05 Apr 2018 19:54

Indian defence minister's speech in Moscow yesterday: "Russia has re-established its role and influence in global strategic and defence matters ... the solution to the key challenges we face today require Russia’s active involvement."
http://indianembassy.ru/index.php/en/bi ... tric-world

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 05 Apr 2018 20:59

Seems all the US defence Analyst and US MSM are warning india not to go ahead with S-400 deal else .......

India Is Close to Buying a Russian Missile System, Despite U.S. Sanctions

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Postby Philip » 05 Apr 2018 21:06

NS has spoken the truth.Russia is needed to resolve global conflicts along with the West.Together they can surely bring an end to many hotspots around the world.Powerful vested interests are sabotaging this from happening, as it will affect the global arms industry, plus regime change facilitating the looting of poor and weak nations of their mineral /energy wealth,etc. as happened in Iraq , Syria, Libya, etc.

If sanctions are applied to any S-400 deal with Russia, the US can then kiss their backside goodbye to any meaningful def. cooperation with India.It will be the LCA and cryo- engine saga once again.With the "Dolt" as NSA , who has a one-track mind, any attempts at sanctioning an Indo- Ru deal , none of America's business, will only draw India closer to the Ru and Chin viewpoint of the future course of the global balance of power and the hegemonistic attitude of the US.India is not a petty poodle of the US like Britain.The US cannot ask India to come " to heel"!

Perhaps the S-400 delay is becos of the US factor as both sides work out how to square the circle.It may also be linked to other deals as part of a package ( frigates, light helos, FGFA, etc.) which would get us better overall pricing.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Mort Walker » 06 Apr 2018 01:42

Austin wrote:Seems all the US defence Analyst and US MSM are warning india not to go ahead with S-400 deal else .......

India Is Close to Buying a Russian Missile System, Despite U.S. Sanctions


It won’t happen as the executive branch has to certify it. There will of course be India critics in Congress that will push for it. Those cretins and their terrorist financiers will have to be brought to light.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Mort Walker » 06 Apr 2018 02:01

Austin wrote:Seems all the US defence Analyst and US MSM are warning india not to go ahead with S-400 deal else .......

India Is Close to Buying a Russian Missile System, Despite U.S. Sanctions


Russia has never delivered on time and on price. China signed the S-400 deal in 2014 and has just seen a single delivery so far. Turkey signed recently and they are priority for Russia in order to break NATO. India will not see any S-400 battery until 2025 even if it were to sign today. The whole thing is pointless. Russia will be an economic dwarf to India by 2025 where India will be a $7 trillion economy. Buying any weapon system from Russia is a waste of time. They have not proven delivery or numbers, and only look good on paper.

The US will have all of the performance parameters of the S-400 once it reaches Turkey and will have counter measures. By then don’t be surprised to see China give the pakis clones of the S-400 system to them.

The Patriot is ineffective as BMD, but lethal against combat aircraft. LM and Raytheon can crank them out like cookies.

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Postby kit » 06 Apr 2018 02:24

Austin wrote:Seems all the US defence Analyst and US MSM are warning india not to go ahead with S-400 deal else .......

India Is Close to Buying a Russian Missile System, Despite U.S. Sanctions


More than India ., it is in America s interests to get all sorts of waivers for India. Expect a few legal somersaults in the Congress with the Trump for the Triumph :((

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby kit » 06 Apr 2018 02:27

Mort Walker wrote:
Austin wrote:Seems all the US defence Analyst and US MSM are warning india not to go ahead with S-400 deal else .......

India Is Close to Buying a Russian Missile System, Despite U.S. Sanctions


Russia has never delivered on time and on price. China signed the S-400 deal in 2014 and has just seen a single delivery so far. Turkey signed recently and they are priority for Russia in order to break NATO. India will not see any S-400 battery until 2025 even if it were to sign today. The whole thing is pointless. Russia will be an economic dwarf to India by 2025 where India will be a $7 trillion economy. Buying any weapon system from Russia is a waste of time. They have not proven delivery or numbers, and only look good on paper.

The US will have all of the performance parameters of the S-400 once it reaches Turkey and will have counter measures. By then don’t be surprised to see China give the pakis clones of the S-400 system to them.

The Patriot is ineffective as BMD, but lethal against combat aircraft. LM and Raytheon can crank them out like cookies.


It's not what you have but how you use it :mrgreen: .. India had the S 300 for long and that did deter a few including the US from certain adventures ( the one near Trombay is a case in fact )

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Postby Austin » 06 Apr 2018 10:10

Mort Walker wrote:
Austin wrote:Seems all the US defence Analyst and US MSM are warning india not to go ahead with S-400 deal else .......

India Is Close to Buying a Russian Missile System, Despite U.S. Sanctions


It won’t happen as the executive branch has to certify it. There will of course be India critics in Congress that will push for it. Those cretins and their terrorist financiers will have to be brought to light.


The ball is in US court and pressurising India wont work and India is not even an allay of US , they could not pressurise a NATO allay turkey to drop the deal .....SD will have to eat its word or face the music from India

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Postby arun » 06 Apr 2018 10:16

At the Hague based international chemical weapons watchdog, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), India abstained from voting on a Russian proposal for a new and joint investigation into the poisoning of the Skripals in England with the Soviet-era military-grade nerve agent, Novichok.

Russia lost the vote 6-15, with 17 abstentions. India being one of them. Those that supported Russia were China, Azerbaijan, Sudan, Algeria and Iran.

Notwithstanding the comprehensive defeat, Russia in the style of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has declared victory :wink: with their OPCW ambassador Aleksander Shulgin saying “The votes backing Russia and the abstentions showed that more than half of the council refused to associate themselves with the West’s point of view,” :lol: .

India abstains as Russia seeks vote on new probe into ex-spy's death

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Postby Philip » 06 Apr 2018 20:49

The Skripal "poisoning" is becoming such a farce,with Porton Down,the UK's leading chem-bio warfare establishment just a few miles away from the Skripal's residence,said that they don't know where the chemical agent came from! UK media have started ridiculing the "evidence".First it was put on their bench,then a drone hovering over them,then it was in their car's AC,next they were poisoned at a restaurant,then further it was in a suitcase they brought back from Russia,then the entrance door handle...the speculation goes on endless! Now the facts,that the cat and guinea pigs,pets in the house died or were put down by "Porton Down",and then burnt,is very suspicious. The Russians say that the "witnesses" have been bumped off!
Britain which even has an officila cat at No. 10 ,the residence of the PM,so callously killed the Persian cat,the Skripal's pet ,without their approval is extrmely suspicious.

I once again refer to my theory that Skripal was not living so close to Porton Down by coincidence.He was a Col. in the GRU (Mil. intel),with ample knowledge of chem-bio warfare.Was he helping the Brits develop chem-bio agents using his contacts with Sov./Ru oligarchs living in the UK who would be able to contact Ru scientists earlier involved in such research? Russia signed onto the chem-warfare treaty and claims it has no such stocks of weapons. Skripal's covert relationship with MI-6 and other western intel agencies and Ru rogue elements living happily in the UK must be probed.
Skripal's "poisoning" may have been due to an accident at home while he was handling the agent ,perhaps to be passed onto an Ru source with a [planned hit in Moscow,perhaps even the Kremlin as his daughter is alleged to be having an affair with a Kremlin staffer .

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 92251.html
'UK authorities to blame' for 'tragic' death of Sergei Skripal’s pets in sealed home, PETA says
'No one should have left these animals sealed inside the house any more than they would have done children – clearly, they should have been rescue.
She added the group was "calling for an investigation to be carried out in order to determine how this was allowed to happen and ensure that procedures are put in place to prevent any such loss of lives – which were valued by the Skripals and the animals themselves – from ever happening again.”

Her comments came after Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova demanded an explanation for the animals deaths.

She said the animals were "really 'important witnesses' when it comes to a chemical substance, which, in a number of versions, could have been used in the Skripals’ house."

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Postby Austin » 07 Apr 2018 20:02

Nirmala Sitharaman speaks at Moscow security conference


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Postby Austin » 07 Apr 2018 20:05

RAKSHA MANTRI MET RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTER GENERAL SERGEY SHOYGU IN MOSCOW


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Postby fanne » 07 Apr 2018 22:51

I wish we buy 2-3 sq of Mig29 UPG if they come fast and cheap!!

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Postby Austin » 07 Apr 2018 23:20

http://smoothiex12.blogspot.in/2018/04/ ... nally.html

Lavrov finally got it.

The Western countries should not expect Moscow to confess to all deadly sins and beg for forgiveness, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told reporters on Friday. "If our counterparts plan to end the current tensions by making Russia confess to all deadly sins and say ‘I was wrong in every aspect, forgive this sinner’ - if they have such expectations, it means they have no experts on Russia left," Lavrov said. He quoted a Russian saying that goes "God dwells in truth, not in strength." "I believe it fully reflects the principle the Russian people are guided by," Lavrov stressed.

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Postby Austin » 07 Apr 2018 23:24

fanne wrote:I wish we buy 2-3 sq of Mig29 UPG if they come fast and cheap!!


Sir ,fighter aircraft dont land from heaven to come fast or cheap ......fast and cheap is relative.

Mig-29UPG is indian specific modification of Indian Mig-29 , So if they want to buy 2-3 sq of Mig-29UPG then they will have to find one that 2-3 sqadron number of older Mig-29 and then IAF BRD in India will have to do that change as they take care Mig-29 upgrade.

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Postby fanne » 08 Apr 2018 01:29

they have found 21, perhaps they can find more.

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Postby Cosmo_R » 08 Apr 2018 17:20

Viv S wrote:Not according to TASS. The deal's still stuck on price apparently.

Delivery contract on S-400 systems for India won’t be signed at Moscow conference - source

The sides have not yet agreed on the price of the deal, the source said


Follows an established pattern: we can't agree on price and they can't agree on delivery. :)

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Postby Vips » 08 Apr 2018 18:51

The price they are asking is twice of what was sold for to the Chinese. Russia wants to milk the cow as much as possible.

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Postby Mort Walker » 08 Apr 2018 21:57

NS did what she had to. Respect and niceties given to Russians and focus on areas where there is commonality, but no deal signed.

Russia has limited production capability. They're selling to the Chinese and at the same time ramping up for the new cold war against the west. The price of oil is the key here. If India gets the S-400, be certain clones will be available to the pakis from cheen.

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Postby Austin » 09 Apr 2018 23:45

Interview with Ambassador of India in Russia Pankaj Saran

Delhi does not move away from Moscow

In an interview with "NG" columnist Vladimir Sosyrev, Indian ambassador to Russia Pankaj SARAN stressed that his country pursues an independent foreign policy, not getting close to anyone. But with India, relations are linked to a privileged strategic partnership. An example of this is close cooperation in the field of defense and atomic energy.
- Mr. Ambassador, India and Russia call each other privileged strategic partners. But your press writes that Delhi is getting closer to Washington and moving away from Moscow. It's true?

- India does not retreat from anyone and does not approach anyone. The only direction that India is moving is the way forward. We did not fight for independence in order to give up our right to make decisions independently. We are loyal to the unique civilization of India, its identity and culture. Like any country in the world, India wants to develop friendly relations with other countries. Nevertheless, the fact and reality is that India and Russia since 2000 have been linked by special and privileged strategic partnership. They have passed the test of time. What is especially important - this partnership has become even more relevant today, when the world adapts to the new powers. The partnership between Russia and India is diverse. It has deep roots, it is a fundamental pillar of India's foreign policy.

We do not establish relations with some countries at the expense of relations with others. India has always pursued and will conduct an independent foreign policy.

- What do the Indians think about the aggravation of relations between Russia and the United States and the European Union?

"Nobody can rejoice at the aggravation of Russia's relations with the West. We hope that all parties will make wise decisions and act in the interests of reducing tension. Now the world is facing many challenges. This requires cooperation, joint efforts to form a peaceful international atmosphere.

- The Stockholm Peace Research Institute reported that shipments of US weapons to India from 2013 to 2017 increased by 557%. Did the Americans manage to press Russia on the Indian arms market?


- These are simplified and often misleading figures. They are meant to be headlines in the newspapers. I will not comment on how accurate these figures are. We do not look at our defense procurement in terms of competition between different countries. We make decisions based on our national interests.

The fact is that today Russia is our biggest partner in the field of defense. We have different projects that are being implemented, and concrete plans for the future together with Russia. She was and will remain a special partner in the defense. Now there is a process of transformation of India from the importer in sphere of defense, only the market for the foreign weapon, in the country which is letting out defensive production. We consider Russia to be a special and privileged partner in this process.

- How is the development of Indian-Russian cooperation in nuclear energy? Will France become a rival to Russia after the conclusion of an agreement on the construction of a nuclear power plant in India with the participation of the French?


- Russia is the only country that today builds a nuclear power plant in India. Nuclear energy is one of the most important and best examples of strategic cooperation between India and Russia. We rejoice at our current cooperation and the prospects for its further growth. We have an agreed road map. It is based on two pillars - the serial construction of nuclear power plants and the localization of production. There are other forms of cooperation, including partnerships in third countries.

As for the role of other countries in India, we need to consider this in the context of the scale of our economy, the scale of our energy needs. Nuclear energy occupies only a small fraction of the total energy production. The total power output of the nuclear power plant is only 330 gigawatts. India needs much more. No country or one source of energy can meet our needs. But under any scenario, Russia will be a major partner.

- How do people in India perceive a thaw in Russia's relations with Pakistan?


- Russia has the right to develop relations with all countries. This is her sovereign right. We believe that Russia will not do anything that will harm its relations with India or the interests of India.

- Does the policy of Delhi and Moscow coincide in Afghanistan? Does the presence of US troops in this country help deter terrorists?

- At a fundamental level, India and Russia have the same goals in Afghanistan. We want to help the people and government of Afghanistan create a safe and stable society, defeat terrorism and eradicate the threat of drugs. Terrorism in all its forms must be destroyed. All countries must work for this goal without double standards.

We work with Moscow on different platforms, but ultimately Afghanistan must find a solution without outside interference. India has a special relationship with Afghanistan, which has a centuries-old history. Afghans have always considered India a reliable friend and partner in development.

- The Russian-Indian trade turnover is only about 9 billion dollars a year. What needs to be done to raise economic cooperation to the level of close political ties between the leaders of our countries?


"Our leaders set the task of bringing the trade turnover to $ 30 billion by 2025. We need to work much harder to achieve this. We need to involve all our ministries, organizations uniting businessmen, especially medium and small enterprises, in the solution of the problem, to promote cooperation of the regions. It is necessary to raise the level of awareness of entrepreneurs. It is necessary to reduce trade barriers, determine each other's priorities, take advantage of the advantages inherent in the partner.

This strategy begins to bear fruit. Investment promotion is a critically important aspect of this strategy. There are notable successes in energy cooperation.

- Indians learn about Russia mainly from the messages of Western media. And they are hostile to Russia. Is it possible to change the picture?


- I agree that there is a lack of information about Russia in India, as well as about India in Russia. Our peoples deserve to be able to learn about each other through direct communications, and not through intermediaries or commentators from third countries. As a result, false ideas are born about each other. This is a long-standing problem. It is absolutely important to change this situation. It will require the conviction and hard work of both sides. Mass media should participate in it. Editions, such as Nezavisimaya Gazeta, have an important role to play here.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Amoghvarsha » 10 Apr 2018 00:09

With Pakis negotiating with Russians for T90 Tanks, Air defence systems and Su 35s, how long can India depend on Russia as a strategic partner?

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Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Apr 2018 00:54

Amoghvarsha wrote:With Pakis negotiating with Russians for T90 Tanks, Air defence systems and Su 35s, how long can India depend on Russia as a strategic partner?

If pakis are negotiating to Russia for Su 35 then Indians are also negotiating for F35. :rotfl: :rotfl:
As for T90, while not justifying actually proves something
1. The chinese All-Kha-leed is what its name says
2. Pakistan will encounter the same issues we have with T90
3. Last one my fav, will build a strong case for Arjun Mk2 for T72 replacements
When we dont make our weapons or rather trust our own, we have to depend upon the whims and fancies of other nations. How else is it different from US selling F16 funded by US taxpayers money (which includes some on BRF too) and offering the same plane (ok an upgraded version) to us. We should be thankful to Bakis (esp Zia Ul Haq who promoted IT* industry in pakistan), and US that bakis are bankrupt else russians would have sold wares to them long ago

*IT: International terrorism

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Postby Vips » 10 Apr 2018 02:08

Pakistan buying Russian equipment will send a strong signal regarding chinese arms to the rest of the (third) world countries. If its most trusted ally prefers Russian arms then who will buy chinese JXX and TXX clones, hain ji? Will china allow that to pass?

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Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Apr 2018 03:31

I am just curious who will fund Pakistani purchase of T90
1. Pakistani economy: That would be IMF supporting weapons purchase, not happening under current US and EU regimes
2. China: Possibly but as Vips pointed out it would mean bigger losses for Chinese war machines
3. Russia: What do russians get from them? Peace in Afghanistan. Phillp sir can comment upon how much jokes vlad putin can take or make, but russian interests would certainly be not amongst them. He would skin the last pakistani general. No matter how much kabulov speaks and how close he's to putin. Russians would know on taliban pakis simply can't deliver even if they want to. Pakistan/China may deny them safe havens, but even after that weeding out will take multiple years and I dont think either Xins, Pakis and russians have money and desire to clean that mess. Simply said, the tail may be straighted for a short while, but in the end it will not be uncurled.

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Postby Amoghvarsha » 10 Apr 2018 04:18

ArjunPandit wrote:I am just curious who will fund Pakistani purchase of T90
1. Pakistani economy: That would be IMF supporting weapons purchase, not happening under current US and EU regimes
2. China: Possibly but as Vips pointed out it would mean bigger losses for Chinese war machines
3. Russia: What do russians get from them? Peace in Afghanistan. Phillp sir can comment upon how much jokes vlad putin can take or make, but russian interests would certainly be not amongst them. He would skin the last pakistani general. No matter how much kabulov speaks and how close he's to putin. Russians would know on taliban pakis simply can't deliver even if they want to. Pakistan/China may deny them safe havens, but even after that weeding out will take multiple years and I dont think either Xins, Pakis and russians have money and desire to clean that mess. Simply said, the tail may be straighted for a short while, but in the end it will not be uncurled.


The point is Russians are ready to sell high end weapons to Pakis. The weapons they are negotiating are the ones Chinese cannot sell them.

Air Defence System: S 350? S 300 or forbid even the S 400. The Chinese themselves dont have a matching system. So Pakis buying from Russia wont surprise anyone.

T 90: Ofcouse the Al Khalid are no match.The AL Khalids probably dont match even the T80.

SU 35:highly unlikely. But since Chinese themselves are buying these why not Pakistan.


Funding may be an issue but more than that i am worried that Russians are ready to sell the same weapons to both sides. Russians will probably like to do to US and its allies what they did to USSR in Afghanistan. Pakis and Taliban fought for the USSR then,it will Russians and chinese now.

This time no one from Russia has actually denied these reports.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Apr 2018 04:35

You probably didnt get my point. All these discussions are probably to pressurise India into buying russian stuff. Taking shiv sir's analogy even further, I am willing to bet both my "test...." before any sale of S400 to Pakistan. The reason is simple, russians dont sell for free or discounted prices funded by russian tax payers. The times of communism v/s capitalism are gone long back. Russians are pragmatic, they will sell anyone who pays. They sold to China/Saudi(the paki 4 fathers), they sold to Turks who even shot down their plane only 2-3 years back. There is no point for us to dhoti shiver everytime. Russians are exercising with pakis too. The same holds for USA too. What's to worry. To me it sounds like one of my friend's paranoid gf who would scream at him (in private ) even if my friend talked to a girl in the same project in a friendly manner. Russians are anyways selling helis Let russians and pakis take the matter where they would like to, I would be pleased in all circumstances, if they dont sell I am happy, for it makes things less difficult for us. If they sell then people who matter will realize its better to build your own weapons and of course it will bankrupt pakistan or the one bankrolling the purchase, if it materializes in the first place.
So relax and enjoy the impending implosion of pakis in our lifetime

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Philip » 10 Apr 2018 09:33

China has taken over Pak as chief patron, ousting the US which still wants " conjugal rights" on a "weak-end" basis, pun intended! :rotfl:
It will assist Pak in any acquisition of MBTs from Russia.

However, any such sale would seriously damage the Indo- Ru mil relationship of which the latest round of interaction is taking place in Chennai during DEFEXPO.The reports appear to be feku news or mere kite- flying by the Pakis who are desperate for decent armour as the number of T-90s in the IA keep increasing with more A-2s also on the anvil.We hope for such an announcement on the same at DEFEXPO. The carrot of buying the T-90 may also be a sneak attempt by China to acquire T-90 tech as its home- made MBTs are inferior.Pak is well known for srcretly passing on all its Western tech to China in exchange for N-tech and BMs.

The meeting on the sidelines between India and Russia is crucial to seal the deal on decisions made a long time ago.

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Postby Philip » 10 Apr 2018 14:00

http://capsindia.org.managewebsiteporta ... _CR_07.pdf
PUTIN’S PRESIDENTIAL ADDRESS: ‘SHOWS OFF’ RUSSIA’S MILITARY CAPABILITIES
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Centre for Air Power Studies
Chandra Rekha
Associate Fellow, CAPS
13 March 2018
Winston Churchill once stated that ‘Russia is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma’. But the
Presidential Address by Vladimir Putin no longer gives the impression that its actions or intentions
are cryptic anymore. Russian President Vladimir Putin delivered the Presidential Address to the
Federal Assembly1 on 01 March 2018 which was attended by Federation Council members, State
Duma deputies, members of the Government, leaders of the Constitutional Court and Supreme Court,
governors, speakers of the legislatures of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation,
the leaders of traditional religions, public figures, including the heads of regional civic chambers,
as well as the leaders of major media outlets.

In his address, President Putin presented significant agendas, achievements and future
ambitious programmes that are directed by him for Russia. The address comes at a pivotal moment as
the choices and actions that Russia has made since the past decade have proven Russia’s ability to rise
as a force to reckon with. The address is also crucial as it has set into motion President Putin’s quest
for a fourth term as Russian president in the 2018 upcoming elections.
For the most part, President Putin was proud to highlight how Russia has ‘recovered’ from the
debacle of the Soviet collapse. Some of the key aspects of Russia’s revival include cyber tactics,
military capabilities, agricultural production, economic space and capability to overcome strategic
uncertainty. At the same time, Putin also admitted that Russia faces major challenges in domestic
indicators such as poverty, unemployment, demographic crisis, depleting standard of living and many
other challenges. But the task ahead for the future new Government, according to the President, was
to draft ‘special programmes’ that are able to respond to the diverse needs of various generations,
including families with children, retirees and people with disabilities. Particular attention needs to be

paid to the social and infrastructural development of rural areas. Putin’s address presented to the
people of Russia a hope that Russia today is ready to move ahead in international affairs with
confidence.
The main highlight of the address was that significant part of his address was dedicated to
Russia’s military capabilities and preparedness – a caution that the West cannot ignore. Today,
Russia’s economy, industry, defence industry and Armed Forces have risen to the levels of supporting
the necessary strategic potential to defend Russia from the ‘provocateur’- the US. The contribution of
defence industrial complex in enhancing Russia’s military capabilities with cutting edge technology
poses a great threat to Western interests, especially in Russia’s near abroad. To counter NATO’s
military expansion, President Putin stated that ‘a great deal has been done to improve Russian Army
and the Navy. The Armed Forces now have 3.7 times more modern weapons. Over 300 new units
of equipment were put into service. The strategic missile troops received 80 new intercontinental
ballistic missiles, 102 submarine-launched ballistic missiles and three Borei nuclear-powered ballistic
missile submarines. Twelve missile regiments have received the new Yars intercontinental ballistic
missile. The number of long-range high-precision weapons carriers has increased by 12 times, while
the number of guided cruise missiles increased by over 30 times. The Army, the Aerospace Forces
and the Navy have grown significantly stronger as well alongside newest planes, submarines, antiaircraft
weapons, as well as land-based, airborne and sea-based guided missile systems. All of them
are cutting-edge, high-tech weapons. A solid radar field to warn of a missile attack was created along
Russia’s perimeter.’

Russia also did not step back from criticising the US for its unilateral withdrawal from AntiBallistic
Missile Treaty in 2002. Placement of new missile systems in Western Europe – Romania and
Poland are in close proximity to Russian borders – has resulted in Russia developing its own counter
measures. For instance, Russia has developed a highly effective system to overcome missile defences
that are installed in some of the member states of NATO-. Russia is working on testing a new missile
system with a heavy intercontinental ballistic missile called Sarmat which is to replace Voevoda
system made in the USSR. Sarmat is to be equipped with a broad range of powerful nuclear warheads,
including hypersonic, and the most modern means of evading missile defence. The high degree
of protection of missile launchers and significant energy capabilities the system offers will make it
possible to use it in any conditions.
With countries placing high value on nuclear weapons capabilities as a major deterrent factor,
President Putin did not hold back in highlighting Russia’s nuclear capabilities. Russia had successfully

launched its latest nuclear-powered missile in 2017. Russia is also confident to build a new type
of weapon, a strategic nuclear weapons system with a nuclear-powered missile. These new types of
weapons are said to have almost an unlimited range, unpredictable trajectory and ability to bypass
interception boundaries. It is claimed that these new types of weapons would be invincible against all
existing and prospective missile defence and counter-air defence systems. In December 2017,
an innovative nuclear power unit for this unmanned underwater vehicle completed a test cycle that
lasted many years.

Clearly, it was an attempt for the world to take notice of how far Russia has come especially in
posing a major challenge to United States interests and its hostile policies towards Russia. Russia has
time and again displayed its own way of protesting against North Atlantic Treaty Organisation’s
expansion and US dominance. Through the Presidential address, Putin has expressed Russia’s
unrelenting focus towards developing latest weapons, defence systems including nuclear missiles, and
calling on NATO to cease its eastward expansion. In the words of Putin, to American and European
partners who are NATO members: we will make the necessary efforts to neutralise the threats posed
by the deployment of the US global missile defence system, thus sending a note of caution to the US and
its allies.

Since the end of the Cold War era, Russia has struggled to find its place to pair with the West in
co-designing the post Cold War international system. Russia has often been perceived as the ‘rule
breaker’ of the international norms set by the West. Russia on its part has aspired to establish a
parallel international system where it is the ‘rule maker’ and not the mere ‘rule follower’ of the West.
The ideological clash between the two superpower blocs – Soviet Union and the US – during the Cold
War period is worth mentioning in this context.
The biggest strategic pay off of the Soviet collapse was the conformity to the US led international
system by former Republics and allies of the Soviet Union. NATO’s expansion came with the
membership of Central and Eastern European countries namely Hungary, Czech Republic, Poland,
Bulgaria, Lithuania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Latvia and Estonia. At the same time, Russia has managed to
halt further expansion of the US led NATO with disputed states such as Abkhazia and South Ossetia in
Georgia (2008) and the accession of Crimea in Ukraine (2014). However, Russia would not like to see
the expansion of NATO further and in its attempt has managed to keep some disputed regions to be
frozen conflicts as in the case of Transnistria in eastern Moldova, Republic of Artsakh in Azerbaijan
and Donbass region in eastern Ukraine.

Russia’s rise today like a ‘phoenix from the ashes’ post Soviet debacle has led the US to conclude
that Russia will remain an eternal and foremost threat to US’ interests in international relations,
mainly because both countries are permanent members of United Nations Security Council, possess
advanced weapons capabilities (including cyber tactics), hold largest nuclear arsenal and share the
legacy of superpower rivalry. All in all, the hostility between Russia and the US continues to be a
dominating debate in the efforts for revamping traditional bilateralism between the two countries.
While Russia and the US have focused on strengthening their deterrence and counter measures,
challenging each other through military capabilities, the biggest challenge however is how to evade a
direct military confrontation. Unfortunately, throughout the rivalry between the two countries, the
important aspect has been military power and weapons technology rather than focus on confidence
building measures. Hence, the most crucial step to evade direct confrontation between the two
countries is to focus on the diplomatic space to ‘reset’ the bilateral relations between the two
countries.


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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby ramdas » 10 Apr 2018 19:06

A lot of misinformation could be doing the rounds to subvert our relation with Russia and push us into a US alliance. The problem with a US alliance is the constraints it would put on our nuclear and ballistic missile programs. Plus other political baggage such as ``human rights", ``free hand to NGOs" etc. A South Korea type status is not what we should look for. Nor should we become like Germany, all economy and no mil. power, open doors to all outsiders, etc.

It is quite possible that the S-400 deal is stuck due to price haggling. Such stupidity in a matter like this is well within the capabilities of our babus. Other than unique capabilities like the S-400 (which we should import from Russia), indigenous is the was to go. If isolated, build up the nuclear deterrent with no restraints whatsoever.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Apr 2018 22:12

From no breaking news in public domain, it seems that the Raksha Manti's Russia trip was without any breakthrough in any matters.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby RoyG » 11 Apr 2018 06:04

ArjunPandit wrote:From no breaking news in public domain, it seems that the Raksha Manti's Russia trip was without any breakthrough in any matters.


whats new?

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Apr 2018 06:17

nothing, but just that the silence of MSM is slightly odd, a similar visit to US would have generated alot of press attention. However, there were very few reports of what happened which direction the relationship is moving. Here are the links i found on indian embassy in russia

http://indianembassy.ru/index.php/en/me ... -to-russia
http://indianembassy.ru/index.php/en/me ... april-2018
Nothing major

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 11 Apr 2018 22:53

Putin talks strategic partnership in phone call with India’s Modi – Kremlin
Published time: 11 Apr, 2018 16:45
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Russian President Vladimir Putin held a phone call with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Wednesday, according to the Kremlin press service. The two leaders discussed the development of the “exclusive strategic partnership between Russia and India” and agreed to maintain contacts in the future. The phone call was initiated by the Indian side, the press service


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