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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 23 May 2018 13:14

I think too much is being made out of Puppy Jhapi body languages hugs etc every time Modi meets a foreign leader ......he practicaly does that with every one , He is our full time Foreign Minister & PM.

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Postby kvraghav » 23 May 2018 13:23

chetak wrote:
Watch

Rare diplomatic gesture for Indian PM @narendramodi.
Russian President #VladimirPutin sees off Modi at the airport, gives warm hug.


https://twitter.com/WIONews/status/998909345445298176


Full OT but PM got to ride on the new Comrade Limo?

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Bart S » 23 May 2018 13:24

Parasu wrote:1. They arent sanctioning India. They are sanctioning Russian military firms.


Saar, but it is the latter rather than the former (if it did happen) that is upsetting some of the posters more :wink:

Along the lines of trying to be 'More English than the Queen', in BR we had MUTU or 'More Unkly than Unkle' a while back...some of the folks here are perhaps trying to be more Russian than bears on unicycles. :lol:

Fact is that India is not going to be impacted in any major way, we are too big to be pushed around like that and that scenario of sanctions and expelling all western diplomats etc is never going to come to pass, wet dreams of sticking a finger in the eye of every western nation by some Russophiles notwithstanding. The sanctions on Iran will be a bigger pain for us to deal with.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 23 May 2018 15:52

kvraghav wrote:
chetak wrote:


Full OT but PM got to ride on the new Comrade Limo?


Oh yes , Good Catch , They both arrived in the same Limo

While arriving too at the airport to Sochi he did not travel in his usual Mercedes but some sporty looking car not sure what it was.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 23 May 2018 15:59

Parasu wrote:1. They arent sanctioning India. They are sanctioning Russian military firms. You buy from them, you come under the sanctions. That is similar to them sanctioning Iran


The Russian firms have been sanctioned way back in 2014 , The CAATSA law is more about any country that buys defence products from Russia or spares or support ...... They would be automatically sanctioned as the law is passed by Congress and POTUS cannot veto it .....some of the sanction are as tough as denying spares to US products , So if India has US equipment then they could be denied buy spares , OEM support etc.

This is more of extension of US Internal law Globally ..... Theyonly way is for USG to take blanket exemption from US Congress for India and other countries who they consider as important partners.

The key word is blanket ,some US junior chaprasi from SD who came to India threatened that India needs to be careful and sanction would be applied because this is the Law and like good SD sales women she spoke about virtue of buying US weapons :rotfl:

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 23 May 2018 16:03

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... as-defense

New U.S. Sanctions Pose Dilemma for India’s Defense

“India is now between the devil and the deep blue sea. If India opts to do business with Russia, it loses out on spares and services from the U.S. on equipment already purchased such as the Boeing P-8I maritime patrol aircraft and the Lockheed Martin C-130J,” said a senior MoD official. However, with no “force majeure” clause in those contracts, U.S. defense companies will be considered defaulters according to India’s Defense Procurement Procedure, resulting in heavy fines.

“This issue brings us back to the issue of trust that took so long to build between the two nations,” said an Indian MoD official. He noted that India has not yet signed two foundational agreements for defense cooperation with the U.S.: the Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement, previously known as the Communications and Information Security Memorandum of Agreement, and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement. The two are necessary for India to access communication security equipment on imports from the U.S. and sharing geospatial information, respectively. “India never fully trusted the U.S.,” the official added.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby g.sarkar » 23 May 2018 16:23

Philip wrote: NV.True.For over 20 years I've been saying that we should have alternative engines for LCA prototypes, western, to get the benefit of dxperiencing both Ru and EU OEMs.Banking everything on the US has been proven in history to be disastrous.It has backstabbed all its non-white allies from Marcos, the Shah, Noriega, Saddam and the late little lamented Col Gadhaffi! Unless you are willing to be a perverted catamite like Pak, where you can be used and abused at will, there is no equality in a relationship with the US establishment.US MNCs however are more practical, drive hard bargains, use heavy Washington pressure, but one can do business with them.

Philipji,
It is not correct that the US has back stabbed only its non-white allies. It has also done the deed with white allies such as the UK and France. Remember the Suez crisis?
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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 23 May 2018 16:35

g.sarkar wrote:Philipji,
It is not correct that the US has back stabbed only its non-white allies. It has also done the deed with white allies such as the UK and France. Remember the Suez crisis?
Gautam


Why go that far , they are sanctioning Europe on JCPOA and Europe has recently passed counter sanction bill
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -sanctions

When it comes to its own interest US wont care about its closest allies

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 23 May 2018 16:38

Seems like good progress has been made in Sochi talks on Trade , Defence , Counter Terror/SCO

Modi-Putin meet: Sochi throws up non-bloc security for Indo-Pacific

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 23 May 2018 22:10

Interview with Suresh Prabhu, Minister of Commerce & Industry,

Protectionism, Sanctions Not Good for Global Economy - Indian Commerce Minister

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 24 May 2018 09:12

India, Russia set to work together in Afghanistan for the first time
After six hours of one-on-one conversation between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Sochi earlier this week, New Delhi and Moscow are going to cooperate in a new area: Afghanistan. This is the first time that the two countries will undertake a joint project — possibly in the development sector — in Afghanistan. This also comes close on the heels of the informal summit in Wuhan, China, where Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping decided to work on a project in Afghanistan after four hours of one-on-one conversation.

Sources told The Indian Express that Modi proposed the idea for the joint project in Afghanistan, which Putin readily accepted. “Unlike in Wuhan, where Xi had proposed the Afghanistan project, here Modi took the initiative with Russia,” a source said. This assumes significance in the wake of Russia urging the international community, especially the US, to talk to Taliban or face a bloody war for years to come.


With Russia’s increasing proximity to Pakistan evident in recent past, India took up the issue of countering terrorism and made a veiled reference to Pakistan supporting terrorists across the world. While Moscow — like Beijing — has been articulating the position that Pakistan is also a “victim of terrorism”, the Indian side, it is learnt, forcefully argued that the international community needs to differentiate between victims of terrorism of their own making, and others.

“There are victims and there are victims. Some are victims of their own making, their people are being killed by terrorists and terror groups created by them, while we are victims of terrorism, which have been perpetrated by groups created by them,” a source said. “We conveyed that there is a difference.”

Sources said the adverse impact of US sanctions against Russia under the Countering America’s Adversaries through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) on New Delhi’s defence cooperation with Moscow did not figure in the discussions between Modi and Putin. “The two sides decided to discuss the issues related to defence, nuclear and trade areas during the annual summit in the latter half of this year,” a source said. Modi is scheduled to travel to Russia for the annual summit, which is different from the informal summit in Sochi.

“The two leaders shared lot of chemistry, and that was evident when Putin — impromptu — decided to come to the airport to see off Modi. What became interesting was that they reached the airport in the car, and kept talking for almost 15 minutes, while everyone else was waiting for them to emerge from the vehicle. This just signifies the comfort level between the two countries,” the source said.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby g.sarkar » 24 May 2018 11:45

Austin wrote:Why go that far , they are sanctioning Europe on JCPOA and Europe has recently passed counter sanction bill
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -sanctions
When it comes to its own interest US wont care about its closest allies

Actually, one needs to look back to see how old the problem is. After WWII, US worked actively to end the British Empire. However, this was not done to end colonialism, but to end UK as a major power. A bankrupt UK accepted this and called it a special relationship. Now if UK had asked Germany for a peace treaty after the fall of France, it would have kept its empire.
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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby IndraD » 25 May 2018 14:37

MH17 : Russia 'liable' for downing airliner over Ukraine http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe- ... ws_central

if we look at the responses to https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/ ... 2067718144

looks like many in the West believe airline was actually downed by Ru missile.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby habal » 25 May 2018 20:37

>> looks like many in the West believe airline was actually downed by Ru missile.

those are not west but disinformation agents on social media.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Philip » 26 May 2018 05:52

I wonder what meaningful discussions would've taken place had it been a certain new youthful leader of a grand old party with Putin instead of PM Modi!

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Kashi » 26 May 2018 07:00

^^ Where did that come from?

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 26 May 2018 09:52

India-Russia to hold their first ever strategic dialogue in July in St Petersburg

Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/64314240.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

The first ever Indo-Russian Strategic Economic Dialogue -- created by PM Narendra Modi and President Vladimir Putin in their informal summit – will be held in St Petersburg this July to give a big push to economic partnership that has started to gain momentum since 2017.

The dialogue, from the Indian side, will be led by NITI Aayog CEO Rajiv Kumar and will seek to put in place a mechanism for partnership between resource rich Russian regions and Indian states. Modi met governors of the of the Russian regions last year and invited them for collaboration.

Far East regions of Russia are seeking active partnership with Indian states as well as investors eyeing options beyond China. The Strategic Economic Dialogue that aims to focus on macro picture of the economic partnership will also explore partnership and joint ventures in services and IT sectors.


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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 27 May 2018 12:50

India, Russia plan to hold mega economic Summit of 100 CEOs

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 336454.cms

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby raja_m » 27 May 2018 14:57

Folks,

Here's my 2cents -
I think the whole Russian engagement needs to be looked at from a different perspective. Russian economy is slow falling into recession thanks to sanctions by the west. Isolation by west is forcing Russian to look to China for investments and boasting the economy. The current path is for Russia to increase dependence on China. While Russian military may be light years ahead of Chinese, economy dictates high Chinese influence in Russian decision making for the future. While Putin might hold off the winds emanating from Beijing, eleven and company would be making plans of making Russia a subsidiary for hounding the West. Russia will need India to hold out on Xi and his plans to make Russian economy wholly owned subsidiary of Beijing. Here's some data to chew on

Chinese investments in Russian far east (Vladivostok and surrounding regions in Siberia) vastly outstrip Russian development efforts -
The 1.35 billion Chinese people south of the border outnumber Russia's 144 million almost 10 to 1. The discrepancy is even starker for Siberia on its own, home to barely 38 million people, and especially the border area, where only 6 million Russians face over 90 million Chinese. With intermarriage, trade and investment across that border, Siberians have realized that, for better or for worse, Beijing is a lot closer than Moscow.


http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/11/10/chinese-question-looks-far-more-threatening-in-siberia-than-in-moscow/

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/07/03/where-do-borders-need-to-be-redrawn/why-china-will-reclaim-siberia

http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopolitics/article/2100228/chinese-russian-far-east-geopolitical-time-bomb

Thoughts?

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Philip » 27 May 2018 15:57

The main advantage is low debt.Putin has been very conservative and very focussed where the money is going and the results! Amazing how the Russian military ate now world leaders in new innovative weaponry.
Naturally sanctions have hurt it but also the EU which is on the verge of revolting as their losses are in the billions.
US hegemonistic anti-Russian policies They are suffering huge income loss with the huge Ru market denied to them.

The UK is shooting itself in the foot- both feet actually as well as the bullets ricocheting up its nether end in its conspired paranoia and vindictive campaign Russia.Its banks and real estate industry have made billions out of Ru money, including large donations to the Tory party. Squeezing Ru billionaires like Roman Abramovitch will see Ru individuals take their money elsewhere , most likely to Paris.

India too can benefit from the situ with some innovative thinking.

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Postby JE Menon » 27 May 2018 20:09

Russia is a friend. Old, tried and tested. Propaganda notwithstanding, the relationship remains solid. Both parties have to b cognizant of new realities on the ground, and it would appear that they are. Neither party will abandon each other. But the mechanics of the relationship are different now - it is no longer a relationship between a Communist state and a dynasty-dominated democracy. And the power balance is not what it used to be. Having said that, and despite some transitional frictions, it is evident that a stable way forward has emerged, and it is likely to be more durable.

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Postby nam » 27 May 2018 20:31

Russia needs India to counter Chinese dominance, otherwise they would not brought us in to SCO. And it is Russia's biggest arms market. Moreover we are not neighbors and not a threat to Russia. As India grows, it will become more important for Russia to have a friendly india.

If there is no mishap, by 2030, two of the top three GDP will be Russia's friends.

It makes no sense for Russia to make the relation either with us or against us. Like with Israel, it will be a piratical relationship. None of the countries do anything major against each other's national interest. We buy from non-Russian sources, while Russian get to supply Mi17, Mi35 to the beggar next door. They sold S400 & SU35 to Chinese, so should not have any issues with we buying American kit.

As long as this len-dhen is going on, we should be fine.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Parasu » 27 May 2018 21:57

JE Menon wrote:Propaganda notwithstanding, the relationship remains solid.

Everybody else`s analysis is either paid or propaganda. Everybody else is an American salesman.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Bart S » 27 May 2018 22:02

Russia has been flirting with Indian red lines by pandering to Pakistani delusions recently. If they back off and behave sanely, we might be able to have a workable relationship, or it will go downhill like a slow moving train wreck.

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Postby Parasu » 27 May 2018 22:04

US trade pressure on India has forced Bharat to reassess its ties with the major powers.
China withdrew its opposition to Indian pharma after the Wuhan summit. Now India and Russia have agreed on the first strategic economic dialogue.
And after getting support from Russia and China, India has decided to take on US on trade.
India is now assessing retaliatory duties against US imports in India.
Here- "India mulls tariff hike on 20 US products to hit back in steel, aluminium duties row"
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 246025.cms
http://www.fruitnet.com/asiafruit/artic ... pple-trade

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Parasu » 27 May 2018 22:16

Bart S wrote:Russia has been flirting with Indian red lines by pandering to Pakistani delusions recently. If they back off and behave sanely, we might be able to have a workable relationship, or it will go downhill like a slow moving train wreck.

Russia treats India as a junior power while it continues to have airs of a superpower. You could see Putin smirking in meetings with leaders of countries he deems lower on the hierarchy. That includes India. Yesterday he offered to provide security to France.
When India does not do as the great superpower wants, they retaliate.
The Pakistan ties are used as a lever to pressure India. After India refused to invest any more in FGFA project, Russia went out of its way to do India-Pak equal equal.
The Indian defence minister ended up meeting the same people on visit to Moscow as the Poaki defence minister. Now that Modi has paid homage to the great superpower, things are ok again.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 28 May 2018 01:17

habal wrote:>> looks like many in the West believe airline was actually downed by Ru missile.

those are not west but disinformation agents on social media.

Internet gladios? :wink:

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Postby Philip » 28 May 2018 11:18

The latest joke doing the rounds is that Liverpool lost to Real in the Champions League because Putin fixed it in the UKR! All the world's ills can now be traced to Russia and Vlad-the-bad Putin,including the Nipah virus which comes from trained Ru bats carrying the virus ,part of Russia's biowarfare experiments.Monsoon winds blew them to Kerala by mistake , they were meant for the Brits!


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Postby jaysimha » 28 May 2018 16:27

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something makes me feel that people ( especially firangi Head of states) may not like the modi hugging.
He should resolve to simple hand shake.

Also he should wear a head gear when ever possible. especially when getting down from the national carrier.

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Postby Misra » 28 May 2018 19:32

^ he should continue with the hugging, esp if his counterparts don’t like it. he pulls it off well—putin and trump come across as stiff. should reinforce vasudhaiva kutumbakam every opportunity he gets...it’s one of his USP’s

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Postby Austin » 28 May 2018 21:04

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Following Following @VishnuNDTV https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/1 ... 0961433600
US transfer of high-tech military equipment to India could be hit by India closing out a deal to buy Russian S-400 missile systems: William Thornberry Chairman of the US Arms Service Committee.

2. Transfer of US armed drones to India could be impacted by India's decision to acquire Russian S-400 missile systems from Russia: William Thornberry Chairman of the US Arms Service Committee

3. While sanctions against India for the purchase of the Russian S-400 system may not happen (US laws allow case by case flexibility), there is deep concern at the decision to acquire the system: William Thornberry Chairman of the US Arms Service Committee :!:

4. Background - the US passed CAATSA (Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act) earlier this year after allegations of Russian meddling in the US election process. The US could technically place sanctions on India for buying new systems from Russia.

5. Earlier this month, PM Modi was in Sochi, Russia where both sides agreed on a Rs.40,000 crore deal for the advanced S400 system. Formal announcement of the deal will likely happen ahead of the next Russia-India later summit this year.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby krishna_krishna » 28 May 2018 21:16

Austin wrote:

3. While sanctions against India for the purchase of the Russian S-400 system may not happen (US laws allow case by case flexibility), there is deep concern at the decision to acquire the system: William Thornberry Chairman of the US Arms Service Committee :!:



There is a good drug available in masssa desh for such acidity/acid refluxes/heart burns called Zantac , that is local made, does not require a prescription and pretty cheap too.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

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Austin wrote:Vishnu Som
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Following Following @VishnuNDTV https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/1 ... 0961433600
US transfer of high-tech military equipment to India could be hit by India closing out a deal to buy Russian S-400 missile systems: William Thornberry Chairman of the US Arms Service Committee.

2. Transfer of US armed drones to India could be impacted by India's decision to acquire Russian S-400 missile systems from Russia: William Thornberry Chairman of the US Arms Service Committee

3. While sanctions against India for the purchase of the Russian S-400 system may not happen (US laws allow case by case flexibility), there is deep concern at the decision to acquire the system: William Thornberry Chairman of the US Arms Service Committee :!:

4. Background - the US passed CAATSA (Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act) earlier this year after allegations of Russian meddling in the US election process. The US could technically place sanctions on India for buying new systems from Russia.

5. Earlier this month, PM Modi was in Sochi, Russia where both sides agreed on a Rs.40,000 crore deal for the advanced S400 system. Formal announcement of the deal will likely happen ahead of the next Russia-India later summit this year.


Vishnu bhai surprises me every now and then.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Cain Marko » 28 May 2018 23:00

Philip wrote:The latest joke doing the rounds is that Liverpool lost to Real in the Champions League because Putin fixed it in the UKR! All the world's ills can now be traced to Russia and Vlad-the-bad Putin,including the Nipah virus which comes from trained Ru bats carrying the virus ,part of Russia's biowarfare experiments.Monsoon winds blew them to Kerala by mistake , they were meant for the Brits!

Don't forget the Hawaiian volcanoes, definitely Russian make

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Kashi » 29 May 2018 05:51

rsingh wrote:Vishnu bhai surprises me every now and then.


Could you elaborate on that?

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Nihat » 29 May 2018 09:58

The United States keeps on providing timely reminders on its unreliability as a strategic partner because it keeps mistaking the word partner for poodle. Given the long memories and suspicion of our bureaucracy, I hope it puts a damper on the uncomfortably fast pace of indo us bonhomie.

In the long run, the only solution is an unrelenting focus on self dependency, but we've got to learn a balancing act in the near term.

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Postby Austin » 29 May 2018 17:36

US know that if india’s weapons system is limited to French Israel and US it can throttle india when serious US interest arises.

The US forced France to cancel mistral deal with Russia and it did the same to Israel when dealing with China.

US is ruthless when it comes to its own security and places it above it’s own nato allay or closest partners.

Russia is the only country outside US pressure loop and US knows that ,so the first thing is to break that link and then deal with its own allay French and Israel

This would help US not only india weapons purchase in decades ahead but also its foreign policy to make it pro - US

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 30 May 2018 21:09

#Lavrov addresses #PrimakovReadings: Primakov was the author of multi-polarity idea, #Russia-#India-#China triangle as a new counter-balance to the existing Western dominance.

https://twitter.com/AleksKhlebnikov/sta ... 8719981568

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Rudradev » 30 May 2018 22:25

There is something specific about the S-X00 ADS that makes the US cr@p its pants.

Remember how they freaked out and screamed "red line" when there was even a chance that S-300 may get sold to Syria or Iran.

And right now it's specifically the S-400 sale that's being cited by the US in its threatening noises against India. They haven't moaned about BrahMos, FGFA, even nuclear submarines, but this system for some reason is of massive concern to them.

I think the truth is (and they know it)... the S-400 can quite reliably swat any Western 5th-gen moochine, F35/F22/EuroFighter/Rafale etc. out of the sky like macchhars. Not to speak of CMs and BMs. It puts a major hole in US/NATO control of escalation matrices because airstrikes and SLCM are among the first punitive military measures they resort to in their global policing.

In a sense it is as "destabilizing" to their threat matrix as India getting nukes. They're OK with China having nukes, and China having S-400 because their plans preclude any attempt to do an Iraq/Libya/Syria to China. But for India that IS an option they want to preserve. When we get the S-400 it's fundamentally disruptive to their calculus.


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