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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

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Postby Parasu » 31 May 2018 04:30

The CAATSA sanctions are targeted at Turkey. India will get a waiver.
It's the trade pressure on India which is really pissing off Delhi.
GoI has not even bothered to give a statement on CAATSA/FARTsa.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Y. Kanan » 31 May 2018 05:36

Rudradev wrote:There is something specific about the S-X00 ADS that makes the US cr@p its pants.

Remember how they freaked out and screamed "red line" when there was even a chance that S-300 may get sold to Syria or Iran.

And right now it's specifically the S-400 sale that's being cited by the US in its threatening noises against India. They haven't moaned about BrahMos, FGFA, even nuclear submarines, but this system for some reason is of massive concern to them.

I think the truth is (and they know it)... the S-400 can quite reliably swat any Western 5th-gen moochine, F35/F22/EuroFighter/Rafale etc. out of the sky like macchhars. Not to speak of CMs and BMs. It puts a major hole in US/NATO control of escalation matrices because airstrikes and SLCM are among the first punitive military measures they resort to in their global policing.

In a sense it is as "destabilizing" to their threat matrix as India getting nukes. They're OK with China having nukes, and China having S-400 because their plans preclude any attempt to do an Iraq/Libya/Syria to China. But for India that IS an option they want to preserve. When we get the S-400 it's fundamentally disruptive to their calculus.


I don't think so. Historically, SAM's (and air defense in general) have been very ineffective, stopping only a fraction of enemy aircraft. Air defense is more about inflicting some attrition on an attacking air force, not protecting anything. SAM's can't protect anything, because that necessitates shooting down all or most of the attacking aircraft. With air defenses, the best you can hope for is hitting an enemy plane now and then, inflicting enough losses over time that the enemy is discouraged. Meanwhile you get bombed. Or nuked.

A good offense is the best defense. This is why air superiority is more useful than ground-based air defense. Notice the US barely pays any attention to air defense; they rely on maintaining air superiority as that's a hell of a lot more effective at preventing enemy air strikes. Air defense is too static, too easy to suppress or avoid.

If we get in a war with Pakistan, it will be our air force deterring them from bombing us, by hitting their airfields and aggressively patrolling the airspace. Not all those cool-looking Tunguskas and S-whatevers sitting around broadcasting radar waves for all the world to see.

All that said, we should still buy the S-400's because it will annoy the sh*t out of the Americans. :)

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Philip » 31 May 2018 07:39

Y2K, in '71 60% of our losses were due to ground fire not losses in aerial combat. Air defences today in multiple layers are even more deadly and the experience of helos in all current conflict zones has been a bad one.

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Postby krishna_krishna » 31 May 2018 08:25

Rudradev wrote:There is something specific about the S-X00 ADS that makes the US cr@p its pants.

Remember how they freaked out and screamed "red line" when there was even a chance that S-300 may get sold to Syria or Iran.

And right now it's specifically the S-400 sale that's being cited by the US in its threatening noises against India. They haven't moaned about BrahMos, FGFA, even nuclear submarines, but this system for some reason is of massive concern to them.

I think the truth is (and they know it)... the S-400 can quite reliably swat any Western 5th-gen moochine, F35/F22/EuroFighter/Rafale etc. out of the sky like macchhars. Not to speak of CMs and BMs. It puts a major hole in US/NATO control of escalation matrices because airstrikes and SLCM are among the first punitive military measures they resort to in their global policing.



Rdevji, S-400/500 is true force multiplier, I can quote a big number of benefits and capabilities on the system but that would be in Other thread not in this thread. Since you bought this up I want to list an real life scenario that happened in India's context with yanqeees where this type of system with make some people as you say "cr@p in pants", an incident rang my mind during ops parakram massa and frenchies virtually created no fly zone (one we did an surgical strikes via IAF and yanqeees did not wanted to have their main ally(or partner) harmed with their ongoing GWOT when they picked up all the three Indian strike cores were deployed in desert. Once you have this kind of system it would be impossible to create such forced no fly zones.

This is what general paddy wrote in his book in 2004 when he predicted current timelines from BR pages everything he predicted except India getting UN permanent seat has come true, one of the finest general every produced by IA. Shame that such aggressive generals wanted to sort porkis out forever but system let them down.

"For the author, after Operation Iraqi Freedom, the United States has become a law unto herself and would pursue her national interests in a ruthless and single-minded manner, regardless of which other country or countries got crushed. The Writing on the Wall is about a 'rogue' state, a 'rogue' super power, which will stop at nothing in the pursuit of her national self-interest.

To India, this tendency of the US poses dangers to her hard-won Independence and her right to chart her own course to progress. The author believes that unless India acts now to deter the super power from posing a threat to her national interests, it may not be possible for her to effectively resist the threat, when it matures - perhaps some time after 2008."


"By 2014, India is about to become a founder member of the Asian Security Environment, which in turn would get it a permanent seat on the security council of the United Nations. India enjoys a warm relationship with all its neighbours with the exception of Pakistan. While India prospers, Pakistan slides into a decline. Non-development of infrastructure for industrial and agricultural development shatters its economy.

The hated Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) is in a big overdrive. The clerics are also in a mode to go for the overkill in their bid to take over the reins of the country and the nuclear button.

There is no peace on LoC either. Indian security forces teach Pakistan a lesson, who has to face the indignity of losing the Haji Pir bulge. By 2017, Pakistan, aided and abetted by the US, decides for a trial of strength. It finds itself unequal to the strength of a resurgent India. In less than a week, Pakistan Army is in full retreat, the remnants of her Navy unable to venture out of Karachi and the Pakistan Air Force whittled down to only about 40 aircrafts. Faced with imminent defeat, Pakistani leadership contemplates exercising the nuclear option. This move brings the US into the war on her side.

The war with the US is fought for just under 60 hours. Missiles are fired by the US Carrier Battle Groups and are destroyed by India's fully effective National Missile Shield. India hurts the US badly by carrying out selective electro-magnetic pulse attacks against Washington and the manufacturing facility for cruise missiles in Arizona. She also carries out cyber attacks against New York and commercial and administrative centres in the US to plunge her administration, commerce and banking sectors into chaos. The US retaliates by destroying India's civil and military satellites.

India is able to circumvent this attack in an 'orderly' and well-practiced manner with the help of her allies-China and Russia. The US is forced to use manned aircraft against our satellite earth station at Pune which has become the hub of our re-engineered communication links using Chinese satellites. The attacks are to be facilitated by anti-radiation missiles fired from accompanying aircraft in order to deny the Indian air defence system the advantage of early warning from their radars.

The Indian response is to destroy the anti-radiation missiles and also five of the eight aircrafts used in the mission, the only air attack attempted by the US in the conflict. Ten US Navy pilots and technicians are taken prisoner after being rescued by our Navy's search and rescue helicopters from the Arabian Sea. At this stage, the UN Security Council passes a resolution calling upon the US and India to ceasefire and hold negotiations. Both the countries accept this resolution readily."

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 31 May 2018 09:26

Parasu wrote:The CAATSA sanctions are targeted at Turkey. India will get a waiver.
It's the trade pressure on India which is really pissing off Delhi.
GoI has not even bothered to give a statement on CAATSA/FARTsa.


IF that is true then why is William Thornberry Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee in interview with NDTV even threatening to block armed predator sale to India ?

US May Block Sale Of Armed Drones As India Is Buying Arms From Russia

The CAATSA law is very clearly targeted against any country that buys Russian Military equipment , Indeed the SD lady who was in India last week said it is a US Law and India should read it ! It is a bipartisan law passed by Dems and Reps both and to repel it would need equal dems and reps support which is unlikely

Turkey is a prime example of US heavy handedness on how it will be treated for a already Signed Deal for S-400 system , US congress is threatening to deny them F-35

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 31 May 2018 09:32

Will CAATSA Make India Say Bye-Bye To The Brahmos?

The US’ phased plan is to first interfere with all forthcoming Russian-Indian military deals and then continue leaning on New Delhi to progressively disengage from its existing cooperating with Moscow, after which Washington hopes that the South Asian state will begin to incrementally adopt Western (American, “Israeli”, French) wares to replace its former Soviet-Russian ones. This is a long-running process that has only just begun and will still take at least a decade to fully play out, but given the current dynamics, one can expect that the Brahmos might soon than later appear on the chopping block.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby g.sarkar » 31 May 2018 09:40

Cross posted from India-US relations: News and Discussions
https://thediplomat.com/2018/05/india-r ... e-systems/
India, Russia Conclude Negotiations for S-400 Missile Air Defense Systems
By Franz-Stefan Gady
May 30, 2018
India and Russia are likely going to announce the deal before an Indo-Russian bilateral summit scheduled for October, according to a source.
India and Russia have reportedly concluded price negotiations for the procurement of five regiments of Russian-made S-400 Triumf advanced Air Defense Systems (NATO reporting name: SA-21 Growler) intended for service in the Indian military, according to local media reports.
“The negotiations for the missile deal have been concluded. The financial component has been finalized,” a top government official involved in the talks told Indian media on May 27. The official also noted that the deal will likely be publicly announced during a summit meeting between Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin scheduled for this October.
Indian and Russian officials are now reportedly trying to ascertain how to prevent the United States from sanctioning India under its Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) for acquiring Russian weaponry. The United States passed the CAATSA against Russia in August 2017 for purportedly manipulating the 2016 presidential election process.
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While the imposition of sanctions by the U.S. on India is highly unlikely, New Delhi’s decision to move ahead with the S-400 acquisition could impact future U.S.-India defense deals including the possible procurement of armed U.S.-made Predator drones or the establishment of joint aircraft production facilities.
“The acquisition of this technology will limit, I am afraid, the degree with which the United States will feel comfortable in bringing additional technology into whatever country we are talking about,” William Thornberry, the Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said in an interview with local media this week. The acquisition of the S-400, “threatens our ability to work interoperably in the future,” he added.
India and Russia concluded an inter-governmental agreement for the purchase of the S-400s in in 2016 (See: “India and Russia Ink S-400 Missile Air Defense System Deal”). The total contract value is estimated at around USD $5.5 billion.
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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 31 May 2018 09:43

Some recent statement from US officals and senators during visit to India

US committee members linked the transfer of high-end technology for the Indian fighter aircraft production plan to the S-400 too.

“India wants to have more technology sharing and production like the F-16. The issue there is when you talk of technology and then there is the S-400...we do have some concerns that we have brought up to different levels of your government,” Democrat Congressman Harry Ceuller who represents Texas said.



William Thornberry Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee

“There is a lot of concern in the US administration and Congress with the S-400. There is concern that any country that acquires the system will complicate the ability of interoperability (with US forces),”

“So that is completely apart from any sanctions, legislation. I hope the government (of India) will take its time and consider very carefully the acquiring of that system because the difficulties it may pose for us,”

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Avik » 31 May 2018 09:50

There is something specific about the S-X00 ADS that makes the US cr@p its pants.


Per Pramit Chaudhuri on twitter, India will have to upload IFF signature of all its airplanes on to the S 400 system library so that Indian planes are recognized and not shot down. Apparently, the apprehension is a future buy of the F 35 by India will lead to India having to upload its IFF signature on the S 400 library, which will make its way to the Russians eventually..

Take it FWIW...

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Postby Austin » 31 May 2018 11:17

Who every wrote that has no idea what IFF is and that each country has it own IFF used for its aircraft.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby kit » 31 May 2018 14:42

Avik wrote:
There is something specific about the S-X00 ADS that makes the US cr@p its pants.


Per Pramit Chaudhuri on twitter, India will have to upload IFF signature of all its airplanes on to the S 400 system library so that Indian planes are recognized and not shot down. Apparently, the apprehension is a future buy of the F 35 by India will lead to India having to upload its IFF signature on the S 400 library, which will make its way to the Russians eventually..

Take it FWIW...


Wow :rotfl: .. to think what passes for "journalism "

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Postby kit » 31 May 2018 14:45

Though I agree with interoperability with American stuff esp the COMCASA linked "high tech" communication gear is useless with systems like S400 as India is going to discover.. so one more reason not to sign off on alphabet soups

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Postby kit » 31 May 2018 15:14

Rudradev wrote:There is something specific about the S-X00 ADS that makes the US cr@p its pants.

Remember how they freaked out and screamed "red line" when there was even a chance that S-300 may get sold to Syria or Iran.

And right now it's specifically the S-400 sale that's being cited by the US in its threatening noises against India. They haven't moaned about BrahMos, FGFA, even nuclear submarines, but this system for some reason is of massive concern to them.

I think the truth is (and they know it)... the S-400 can quite reliably swat any Western 5th-gen moochine, F35/F22/EuroFighter/Rafale etc. out of the sky like macchhars. Not to speak of CMs and BMs. It puts a major hole in US/NATO control of escalation matrices because airstrikes and SLCM are among the first punitive military measures they resort to in their global policing.

In a sense it is as "destabilizing" to their threat matrix as India getting nukes. They're OK with China having nukes, and China having S-400 because their plans preclude any attempt to do an Iraq/Libya/Syria to China. But for India that IS an option they want to preserve. When we get the S-400 it's fundamentally disruptive to their calculus.


exactly so .. they do want to know they can "penetrate" indian airspace at will :roll:

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby kit » 31 May 2018 15:17

Austin wrote:
Parasu wrote:The CAATSA sanctions are targeted at Turkey. India will get a waiver.
It's the trade pressure on India which is really pissing off Delhi.
GoI has not even bothered to give a statement on CAATSA/FARTsa.


IF that is true then why is William Thornberry Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee in interview with NDTV even threatening to block armed predator sale to India ?

US May Block Sale Of Armed Drones As India Is Buying Arms From Russia

The CAATSA law is very clearly targeted against any country that buys Russian Military equipment , Indeed the SD lady who was in India last week said it is a US Law and India should read it ! It is a bipartisan law passed by Dems and Reps both and to repel it would need equal dems and reps support which is unlikely

Turkey is a prime example of US heavy handedness on how it will be treated for a already Signed Deal for S-400 system , US congress is threatening to deny them F-35


The US and "allied " forces did try a regime change (Erdogan) by covert means .. to be backed by wholescale involvement of the Turkish airforce .. No way Erdogan is letting them go off so easily.. Putin saved his a@@ that day literally

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Philip » 31 May 2018 15:54

Exactly! A "rogue " India that does not accept a US diktat equipped with S-400s will be emboldened to behave in a more independent manner showing the US the upturned finger on issue after issue.

The recent report that we will pay for Iranian oil in rupees shows the happy spine that is developing in the erstwhile jellyfish-like attitude of the MEA. With our primary weapon systems like aircraft, missiles like BMos, N-subs and tech.AVs, etc. coming from Russia now mostly in some JV form or the other, it would be suicide for us to sign on any alphabet agreements with the US and land up in the proverbial soup!

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Postby habal » 31 May 2018 19:41

China is more insular, it has limits and has borders to its reach. India is theoritically without limits and can connect to europe as well as to east asians and to continental africa at same time. With South Americans we can get along like we are on fire. So India has a reach and aura that belies its size. This threatens USA and its narrative and the construct of artificiality that it builds to seek status of a global leader, whereas this comes all too easily and naturally to India. Thus it is India that is a civilizational competitor and not China.

Also 2025 is an important year for Pakistan where there is going to be partition of balochistan and USA feels like India should not be in a position of great advantage at that time so as to absorb balochistan into its fold and thus link up with middle east and India bordering Iran will put paid to their war plans in mid-east.

USA is a war economy which will find itself in major conflicts every few years. And their paranoia about India getting independent means a war is coming to our shores in a decade or two.

Anglo-saxons and judeo-christian whites are known to plan in advance by atleast a decade before venturing into major conflicts. This is derivedbfrom judaic cunning and fear of loss of face coupled with the frequent defeats that the templars had sufferes during crusades where they lost even from commanding positions. The british had spent 60 years getting to know the lay of the land in India before they would militarize the east india company.

net net we should go for full ToT of S500 and seek serial production of both pantsyr and S500. Almaz Antey should set up second line in India so that we flood the world with the S500

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Kakkaji » 31 May 2018 20:23

How will India pay Russia for the S400? Rupee payment won’t work because there isn’t much that Russia wants to buy from India

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby habal » 31 May 2018 20:44

Chinese CIPS is an option for cross border settlement or payment can be made in Yuan which is freely convertible and IMF accepted as statutory reserve currency.

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Postby Kakkaji » 31 May 2018 20:45

During the Soviet era, Russia used to accept payment in Rupees for the arms it sold to India. They would then use these Rupees to buy all kinds of consumer goods from India. Even then, they accumulated a huge surplus of Rupees which, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, India had to eventually buy back with dollars.

Today the Russians can buy all the consumer goods they want, at cheaper rates, from China. Russia is now surplus in wheat, and they probably do not eat much rice. So, what can India sell to Russia to pay for billions of dollars of arms purchases, if payment in dollars is blocked?

We probably won't be able to pay them in Euros either, since the Europeans will likely also sanction arms purchases from Russia.

No yen payments, for the same reason.

I doubt China will allow payments by India in RMB for Russian arms that may be used against China.

This is the real issue.

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Postby habal » 31 May 2018 20:52

It is not a big issue, but Indian bureaucrats have the tendency to play goody two shoes before massa. That is the real reason for payments crises with Iran before obomba lifted sanctions. Japan on the other hand was freely paying for Iranian oil with prompt payments. If India cannot summon the chutzpah of even a Japan, our troubles are worse than ability for payments.

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Postby Kakkaji » 31 May 2018 20:56

Iran will likely buy lots of rice, wheat, sugar, medicines, cars, trucks, and consumer goods from India from the Rupees it gets from India in payment for its oil. Even then, they will probably be left with a lot of surplus Rupees that will eventually have to be exchanged against dollars or Euros.

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Postby habal » 31 May 2018 20:59

Since rupees are not sanctioned why can't the rupee be exchanged to dollar or euro in some country that has free capital convertibility. But ofcourse it will have some limitations such as volume, but it could be done if no other option is available.

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Postby nits » 31 May 2018 21:48

habal wrote:Chinese CIPS is an option for cross border settlement or payment can be made in Yuan which is freely convertible and IMF accepted as statutory reserve currency.


will be like rubbing Salt on top of injury maasa is having by us buying SXXX; Ego hurt :) :)

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Kakkaji » 31 May 2018 22:50

habal wrote:Since rupees are not sanctioned why can't the rupee be exchanged to dollar or euro in some country that has free capital convertibility. But ofcourse it will have some limitations such as volume, but it could be done if no other option is available.


Which third country/ entity will accept Rupees and give you dollars/ Euros in exchange?

How will that country/ entity avoid being sanctioned by the US?

What will that country/ entity do with the hundreds of billions of Rupees it has accepted?

I have a lot of questions, but no answers.

Perhaps a finance guru can give the answers.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby chola » 31 May 2018 22:58

nits wrote:
habal wrote:Chinese CIPS is an option for cross border settlement or payment can be made in Yuan which is freely convertible and IMF accepted as statutory reserve currency.


will be like rubbing Salt on top of injury maasa is having by us buying SXXX; Ego hurt :) :)



That would be cutting off our nose to spite our face.

Come on, Rakshaks. Let’s be reasonable. We are not going to be in direct conflict with the US in the next 80 to 100 years unless the Chini-Amreeki War kicks off early.

If the USA wins (and they will when it comes to a fight,) our problem won’t be too much American attention but too little because after a war the US and its allies will pour all their resources into building a democratic Cheen which means grants, investments, open markets, etc. to the detriment of every other developing nation out there including India.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby habal » 31 May 2018 23:05

pay russia in yuan

russia takes yuan to shanghai gold exchange

russia exchanges yuan to gold.

OTC transaction not reported.

Option 2:

pay in cryptocurrency. North Korea pays china in cryptocurrency for oil/gas.

Option 3:

russia, india signed agreement in 2015 to trade in resp currencies.

Option 4:

offload Indian share in brics bank by $xx billion in favor of Russia. Build back Indian balance in due course.


msg to USA: Don't push it

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby chola » 31 May 2018 23:09

Kakkaji wrote:
habal wrote:Since rupees are not sanctioned why can't the rupee be exchanged to dollar or euro in some country that has free capital convertibility. But ofcourse it will have some limitations such as volume, but it could be done if no other option is available.


Which third country/ entity will accept Rupees and give you dollars/ Euros in exchange?

How will that country/ entity avoid being sanctioned by the US?

What will that country/ entity do with the hundreds of billions of Rupees it has accepted?

I have a lot of questions, but no answers.

Perhaps a finance guru can give the answers.



The answer to all the above this is India onlee. We must make enough chit to earn hard currency like the Euros. It is that simple.

MII needs time to mature. Look, we’ve been buying firangi weapons for decades now when we can clobber TSP many times over with what we have. The truth about foreign weapons are they are non-performing assets that will not contribute to the nation unless used against a major power where domestic arms won’t suffice. So don’t buy the stuff unless we have the hard currency. Or better yet, use that wealth on our own MIC.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby chanakyaa » 01 Jun 2018 06:31

We are missing big picture here, like, can't see forest for trees. Lot of dhoti shivering as if this is 1998, subject to India playing it right!! There are two sides to the coin. What I mean by that is, YooS is as much interested in deep trading relationship with India as much as India is, and perhaps more. Wyestern markets are saturated for incremental revenue. Three+ billion of Asia is where the future market is, plain numbers, PERIOD!! If one is not sure about how much YooS companies (financial, industrial, medical, machinery, aircraft etc. etc.) sell to India; please take a walk around your neighborhood or read billboards for product ads. What if India is sanctioned for trading with "malign influence" countries, and growing middle class population of 1+ billion says "NO BUSINESS" with ValMarrt, Bo-ying, Pep-Shi-Cola, Koka-Cola, Shitty Group, JayP-Margan, Ayxon-Mobile, Aye-pple, Phyzer, serial provider Star, and many other thousands of growing MNCs doing bijjness in India. In fact penetration of YooS bijjness in India is much deeper than other way round. Given all this, why the F/C/U/K are we worried about sanctions? Giving up Indian market for its goods/services is UNTHINKABLE for YooS companies. Nada, No way Jose.

Trading in your own currency is definitely a way to go but not because of the fear of sanctions. There is no way for the richest civilization on this planet earth to fear any more. Anyone wants to bring on the sanctions should hear Clint Eastwood line "Go ahead, make my day"; and please be prepared for consequences. As far as finding out round about way of avoiding sanctions, there are multiple ways to do it. Lets keep that one for Pakistan.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Vips » 01 Jun 2018 18:25

Russia experts dominate National Security scene.

The appointment of Ambassador toRussia Pankaj Saran as the Deputy National Security Adviser (NSA) -- a strong Russia hand -- reflects the growing number of Russophiles in the Modi government aimed at safeguarding strategic partnership and expanding the economic envelope.

Besides Saran, who is expected to return here in the near future, former Ambassador to Russia PS Raghavan, also credited with the growth in Indo-Russian ties, is convenor of the National Security Advisory Board that advises the Indian Prime Minister.

Saran, a 1982 batch IFS officer, fitted well into Raghavan’s shoes when he took over the high-profile job in 2016 as the two countries expanded strategic and economic partnership and consolidated energy links, according to Russia watchers. Both Saran and Raghavan are also well versed with the Russian language that had helped in giving momentum to the partnership. NSA AK Doval has been strong votary of Indo-Russian strategic partnership, notwithstanding his interest in Delhi’s engagements with with major powers. Doval played a crucial role in shaping the first Modi-Putin informal summit in Sochi amid US sanctions on defence purchases from Russia.

“Since 2014, PM Modi has paid special attention on Russia to address the perceived drift in relations of the two countries. He had realised the importance of this relationship for economic development, defence and security. The Joint Statement of 2014 during the visit of President Putin was termed as ‘Druzhba-Dosti: A Vision for strengthening the Indian-Russian Partnership over the next decade’. He has collected an excellent team who have deep understanding Russian world view and its basic determinants of foreign policy and who can help in developing closer relations with Russia,” explained Dr S D Pradhan, former Deputy NSA.

“Ajit Doval the NSA, Pankaj Saran Dy NSA, PS Raghvan, Convenor of National Security Advisory Board are known Russian experts and have close links with the top policy makers of Russia.

The latter two have served as our Ambassadors to Russia. The other Deputy NSA Rajinder Khanna (former R &AW Chief) is an expert on Islamic terrorism and knows the Russian views on this issue. The former Deputy NSA Dr Arvind Gupta (ex-IFS) too is a Russia expert who now heads VIF an important think tank,” he added. The Russia experts are expected to guide the relationship through the turbulent period in international relations, and their presence reflects Delhi’s commitment to nurture special special ties with Moscow notwithstanding ties with other major powers, according to one of the persons quoted above. The challenge remains in pushing the economic envelope, he said.

In recent weeks, there has been a flurry of high-level visits to Moscow. While the Sochi Summit hogged headlines from substance to personal chemistry between the leaders, what largely went unnoticed were some of the other key visits to Russia by Indians. BJP general secretary and one of Modi’s key advisers Ram Madhav, for instance, visited Sochi to meet senior officials to discuss the Indo-Pacific construct among other issues. Cultural links were brought to the fore when ICCR chairman Vinay Sahasrabuddhe and other eminent scholars visited Russia.

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Postby Austin » 01 Jun 2018 21:28

Ambassador serves many nations in their life time and calling them Russian experts based on their last work assignment is bit weird for Toilet to make.

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Putin, Modi Agree оn Spheres of Influence in SE Asia


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Manu Pubby
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Prez Putin and I shared views on the need for a strong multi-polar world to meet with the challenges of our times.

Our partnership with US has overtaken the hesitation of history.


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Postby Philip » 05 Jun 2018 08:14

The first shipment of gas from Russia in a 25 yr mega deal worth $25B was recd. yesterday.The Oil Min.Pradhan described it as a " golden day for India" ,ensuring its long term energy supply security.At least $1.5$B worth of gas will come from Russia yearly.India balancing its energy basket not allowing it to be armtwisted by the Yanquis.
Great going guys.The piece on experienced Russia hands advising the PMO is very satisfying.

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US told India's relationship with Russia is time tested: Sitharaman

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New Delhi, June 5 (IANS) Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman on Tuesday said that India has made it clear to the US that its relationship with Russia is lasting and the dynamics of Indo-US ties cannot influence it.

"I like to make it clear here that in all our engagements with the US, we have very clearly explained how India and Russia's defence cooperation has been going on for a very long time," Sitharaman said in response to a media query pertaining to the US advising India to not go ahead with purchasing S-400 anti-missile system from Russia.

"It's a time tested relationship and India has got quite a lot of defence assets from Russia. Assets, spares, servicing, we have a continuous relationship with Russia," she added.

She said the US sanctions against Russia would not be impacting "this particular characteristic of India-Russia defence cooperation".

She said that negotiations with Russia for S-400 were in the final stage.

"The S-400 deal has been on for a very long time and we have reached the final stage negotiations. That explains it all," Sitharaman said on whether India would still go ahead with the deal with Russia.

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Postby chetak » 05 Jun 2018 17:31

Kakkaji wrote:How will India pay Russia for the S400? Rupee payment won’t work because there isn’t much that Russia wants to buy from India


aren't we buying oil and gas from them??

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Postby chetak » 05 Jun 2018 17:40

Austin wrote:Ambassador serves many nations in their life time and calling them Russian experts based on their last work assignment is bit weird for Toilet to make.


It's not just the last work assignments but also the "desks" they occupied in the MEA and the deep state/diplomatic contacts that they would have made and nurtured during their periods of service at those "desks".

This would enable them to have a certain perspective as well as some insights into the Russian foreign policy processes, thinking as well as the bureaucratic sub systems that manage India Russia relations for trade, military, and policy issues.

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Postby chetak » 05 Jun 2018 17:59

Philip wrote:The first shipment of gas from Russia in a 25 yr mega deal worth $25B was recd. yesterday.The Oil Min.Pradhan described it as a " golden day for India" ,ensuring its long term energy supply security.At least $1.5$B worth of gas will come from Russia yearly.India balancing its energy basket not allowing it to be armtwisted by the Yanquis.
Great going guys.The piece on experienced Russia hands advising the PMO is very satisfying.


Modi has been smart in derisking oil/gas away from the traditional middle east markets and moved to unconventional markets like Russia, Venezuela and the US itself.

Second sourcing, as well as pointed messaging, have shown India's determination to chart a fairly independent path.

No wonder people in the gulf now receive him with a lot of "respect".

Trump is just being trump.

The US deep state will not risk India's wrath in the Indo pacific region, and not will it destabilize coalitions like the Quad where India has publicly shrugged off the aussies despite the US pressurizing India to include them.

Years of painstaking work will evaporate in a matter of weeks.

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Postby kit » 05 Jun 2018 19:06

habal wrote:China is more insular, it has limits and has borders to its reach. India is theoritically without limits and can connect to europe as well as to east asians and to continental africa at same time. With South Americans we can get along like we are on fire. So India has a reach and aura that belies its size. This threatens USA and its narrative and the construct of artificiality that it builds to seek status of a global leader, whereas this comes all too easily and naturally to India. Thus it is India that is a civilizational competitor and not China.

Also 2025 is an important year for Pakistan where there is going to be partition of balochistan and USA feels like India should not be in a position of great advantage at that time so as to absorb balochistan into its fold and thus link up with middle east and India bordering Iran will put paid to their war plans in mid-east.

USA is a war economy which will find itself in major conflicts every few years. And their paranoia about India getting independent means a war is coming to our shores in a decade or two.

Anglo-saxons and judeo-christian whites are known to plan in advance by atleast a decade before venturing into major conflicts. This is derivedbfrom judaic cunning and fear of loss of face coupled with the frequent defeats that the templars had sufferes during crusades where they lost even from commanding positions. The british had spent 60 years getting to know the lay of the land in India before they would militarize the east india company.

net net we should go for full ToT of S500 and seek serial production of both pantsyr and S500. Almaz Antey should set up second line in India so that we flood the world with the S500


Beuatifully articulated . India was at one time literally the centre of world commerce, industry and thought. If history repeats would it be naive to not believe that ? .

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Postby kit » 05 Jun 2018 19:34

chetak wrote:
Philip wrote:The first shipment of gas from Russia in a 25 yr mega deal worth $25B was recd. yesterday.The Oil Min.Pradhan described it as a " golden day for India" ,ensuring its long term energy supply security.At least $1.5$B worth of gas will come from Russia yearly.India balancing its energy basket not allowing it to be armtwisted by the Yanquis.
Great going guys.The piece on experienced Russia hands advising the PMO is very satisfying.


Modi has been smart in derisking oil/gas away from the traditional middle east markets and moved to unconventional markets like Russia, Venezuela and the US itself.

Second sourcing, as well as pointed messaging, have shown India's determination to chart a fairly independent path.

No wonder people in the gulf now receive him with a lot of "respect".

Trump is just being trump.

The US deep state will not risk India's wrath in the Indo pacific region, and not will it destabilize coalitions like the Quad where India has publicly shrugged off the aussies despite the US pressurizing India to include them.

Years of painstaking work will evaporate in a matter of weeks.


I would say let them if they want to.. they made the issue ..they know what they are doing ..are we blinking yet ? Let them solve it.

Moral of story : Americans can never be trusted or depended on

Move on .


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