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India-Russia: News & Analysis

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Postby prahaar » 31 Dec 2016 04:10

How likely is US accommodating Russia, and taking her away from China? All the Trump Putin drama made me wonder if there is any method in this.

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Postby Y. Kanan » 31 Dec 2016 04:18

That remains to be seen. If a major US-Russia reproachment happens with Trump, it could pry Russia away from China and by extension pull them away from Pak also. I think in their heart of hearts the Russians would have always preferred to be part of western civilization vs the Asian world. Deep down Russians don't trust the Chinese. Come to think of it, no one does.

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Postby Viv S » 31 Dec 2016 04:20

jagga wrote:I think DT won't pull the troops out of AFG completely. The reason is Paki nukes. AFG provides easy access to US in case of denukeing the Pakis. Therefore a certain level of troops will always be there. DT's mind would say "bring the boys back home" but brain will say keep them there. Kind of liquid oxygen situation.

That's what he said in the primaries but I'm sure, in time, someone (maybe Gen. Mattis) will show him a map and explain to him that its Pakistan that is 'providing' the US with access to Afghanistan not the other way round.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Viv S » 31 Dec 2016 04:49

Y. Kanan wrote:Here's how I would summarize current strategic situation:

India embraced US at Russian expense(partly deserved)
India ended with nothing but some overpriced military gear for its trouble (no nuke tech, no diplomatic support)
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India no longer benefits from Russian diplomatic support. US diplomatic support never materialized either.

Russia 'embraced' China at India's expense (1993) opening the doors to eventual rapprochement between India & the US. The emergence of a powerful and increasingly aggressive China did the rest.

Diplomatic support from the US was the driving force behind the NSG waiver to India (and more recently MTCR membership) allowing for nuclear agreements with Russia, France, Japan etc.

As for 'overpriced military gear' - its, by and large, cheaper than European kit on account of greater volumes (Airbus being a notable exception). As for Russian equipment - practically every single system we've acquired from them (with the possible exception of the Mi-17 & BrahMos) has faced issues with serviceability, reliability and/or after-sales support. While a particular offering may or may not offer better value, making a blanket implication about military wares is just plain myopic.

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Postby Austin » 31 Dec 2016 12:57

Y. Kanan wrote:That remains to be seen. If a major US-Russia reproachment happens with Trump, it could pry Russia away from China and by extension pull them away from Pak also. I think in their heart of hearts the Russians would have always preferred to be part of western civilization vs the Asian world. Deep down Russians don't trust the Chinese. Come to think of it, no one does.


Dont think so , There is little trump can do against china because a trade war will be a nuke option for both. They would have done something may be 10 years back but leftist Obama pussy footed on china.

Deep down the Russians dont trust West/US , All their move in past few years has been hostile , China was smart and saw an opportunity to increase its relation with Russia specially in trade and geography and China huge energy needs favour that. Even India joined SCO , AIIB , BRIC Bank etc

If you leave aside all Strategic calculus ,Military etc , Only Asia will grow above 5 % including China , India , SE Asian country , Energy needs Russian primary export according to EIA projection by 2035 will be highest in China, India and SE Asian country

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=26212

That single factor alone where half of 48 % of Energy Growth will come from India and China is a good enough reason for Russia to engage with Asian country

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Postby Austin » 31 Dec 2016 13:08

Russia-India relations in 2016: A review
28 December 2016 Nilova Roy Chaudhury, RIR

Ties between Russia and India, both bilaterally and within the context of multilateral formats like the G-20, BRICS, Shanghai Cooperation Organisation and RIC (Russia, India, China), formed the cornerstone of the foreign policies of both countries in 2016. The economics of the engagement is also significant, with Russia still facing Western sanctions and India in a phase of uncertainty after demonetization of its high value currency.

Political overview


Relations between Russia and India peaked for the year in October, when Russian President Vladimir Putin met Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi for their annual summit, in the verdant surroundings of Goa. Not only were the traditional pillars of defence, nuclear energy, space and energy security addressed, emphasis was placed on getting economic ties to reach their potential.

In a ‘Partnership for Global Peace and Stability, they “pledged to pursue new opportunities to take the economic ties to unprecedented heights, achieve sustainable development, promote peace and security at home and around the world, strengthen inclusive and transparent global governance, and provide global leadership on issues of shared interest.”

In its just unveiled ‘Foreign Policy Concept’ for 2016, Russia says it “is committed to further strengthening its special privileged partnership with the Republic of India based on the convergence of foreign policy priorities, historical friendship and deep mutual trust, as well as enhancing mutually beneficial bilateral ties in all areas, primarily in trade and economy, with a focus on implementing long-term cooperation programmes approved by the two countries.”

A total of 16 agreements signed after Putin and Modi held discussions saw a range of pending deals come to fruition, in the fields of defence cooperation, like an inter-governmental agreement on the purchase of the S-400 ‘Triumf’ missile defence system, energy security, nuclear issues, cyber security and anti-terrorist cooperation.


Another key issue that came up during the 17th India - Russia summit was the celebration of 2017 in a manner befitting the 70th anniversary of diplomatic relations being established between the two countries. A series of events have already been launched to foreground the anniversary.

Modi highlighted the significance of the issue, saying, “As we approach the 70th anniversary of the establishment of our diplomatic ties next year, India and Russia are celebrating and building on the achievements of our past. We are working to model a partnership that befits our common ambition and meets our shared goals for the twenty-first (21st) century.”

Both Putin and Modi approved a range of events that depicted the “width and depth of multi-faceted relations that the two countries have, spanning diverse fields including political, defence, energy, trade, economy, finance, investment, culture, education, think-tanks, science and technology, sports, youth, tourism, people-to-people exchanges,” the Indian Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) said in a statement.

Relations with Russia are a key pillar of India's foreign policy. Under the special and privileged partnership the two countries share, several institutionalized dialogue mechanisms operate at both political and official levels to ensure regular interaction and follow up on cooperation activities.

However, the issue of Russia’s increasing ties with Pakistan has the potential to strain bilateral relations. After the first ever joint military exercises, the first ever foreign office consultations were also held between them earlier this month.

Pankaj Saran, India’s Ambassador to Russia cautioned that there could be “problems” ahead in bilateral relations between Russia and India if Moscow continued to strengthen its defence ties with Islamabad.While broadly in agreement on jointly opposing terrorism in all its aspects, differing views on engaging the Taliban in Afghanistan also has the potential to create stress in the bilateral relationship, particularly with presidential envoy Zamir Kabulov’s emphasis that Pakistan must be a part of the solution.


Defence ties

The defence deals reached at the summit included the purchase of five S-400 missile systems (known as the ‘Growler’ in NATO nomenclature), joint production of Ka-226T (‘Kamov’) helicopters, and the acquisition and joint production of four state of the art Admiral Grigorovich-class (Project 11356) guided-missile stealth frigates.

The ‘Kamov’ helicopter deal is a key deal, being seen as a huge boost for the government's flagship ‘Make in India’ initiative. India will initially import and then manufacture Russian Kamov Ka-226 T light utility helicopters.

The two countries also agreed to conduct an annual military conference.

The Defence Minister-level India-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission for Military Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) met in New Delhi on October 26 to follow up on the significant decisions in defence cooperation announced at the Goa bilateral Summit.

An important focus of discussions at IRIGC-MTC was on after-sales product support of Russian platforms and equipment. A combination of approaches is now being implemented to address it effectively, including long-term indents, life cycle contracts, collaboration in setting up workshops in India and creating manufacturing capacities in India for spares, components and sub-assemblies.

India, a leading global importer of defence hardware, is currently undergoing a $100-billion upgrade of its mostly Soviet-era military equipment.

The Indian media reported in early-November that the Defence Acquisitions Council (DAC), chaired by Defence Minister Parrikar, has approved acquisition by the Indian Army of 464 Russian T-90MS tanks, the latest version of the T-90,
which is already being manufactured in India under licence and with a progressive degree of indigenization. Valued at over US$ 2 billion and reported to be the world’s largest tank contract in the last 15 years, it is to be implemented as a Make in India project.

Energy, infra links

India-Russia relations reached a new landmark in nuclear power cooperation in 2016, with President Putin and PM Modi jointly dedicating Unit 1 of the Kudankulam nuclear power project to the Indian nation. Units 2 to 6 are also on the anvil.

Earlier this year, a clutch of deals potentially worth over $4 billion when all are completed, were signed for acquiring a stake in Russian oil major Rosneft's most promising oilfields in Siberia, adding commercial depth to the Soviet-era strategic ties between India and Russia.


IndianOil, Oil India and a unit of BPCL agreed to buy 29.9% in Tas-Yuryakh oilfield in east Siberia for $1.3 billion. The consortium also signed heads of agreement for taking a 24% stake in Vankor field, also in east Siberia, for over $2 billion and pay another $180 million as its share of future capex. ONGC Videsh, the overseas arm of ONGC, signed a MoU to raise its total stake in Vankor to 26% for by acquiring additional equity at a cost of $925 million.

After the Goa summit, a deal was signed to pave the way for a group led by Rosneft to acquire a stake India's Essar Oil refinery, for a massive 5.5 billion dollars.


The two leaders also witnessed the signing of Memorandums of Understanding (MoUs) on developing smart cities, transport logistics, shipbuilding and railways in Andhra Pradesh, and cooperation in oil and gas among others.

A key feature of the enhanced economic engagement between the countries this year has been the increased involvement of the Regions of Russia and the states of India with each other. Increasingly they are directly engaging each other and not waiting only for the Federal governments to power their ties.

The Goa summit saw the creation of bilateral investment fund by National Infrastructure Investment Fund (NIIF) of India with Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) to facilitate high-technology investments in Russia and India.

The North South International Transport Corridor is likely to soon become functional, raising the prospects for reduced transportation time and costs between the two countries, and providing a much required boost to bilateral economic ties.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 31 Dec 2016 13:11

FTA to increase Russia, India trade to $30 billion: Trade Rep

http://in.rbth.com/economics/cooperatio ... rep_670338
An agreement on a free trade zone between the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) and India will help to realize plans to increase trade turnover between Russia and India to $30 billion by the year 2025, TASS was told by Yaroslav Tarasyuk, Russia’s trade representative in India.

“This has been a long-awaited decision. Such an agreement will greatly assist the implementation of the plan, approved by leaders of Russia and India, to increase the annual trade turnover between our countries from the approximately $10 billion today, to $30 billion by 2025,” said Tarasyuk.

Russia and India need to restart EAEU free trade agreement talks

At their meeting in Saint Petersburg, held earlier this week, the presidents of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Armenia approved the decision to start negotiations on concluding a Free Trade Zone agreement between the EAEU and India, as well as with Iran, Egypt and Singapore.

“Such an agreement is of interest to both Russia and India. Suffice it to say that today, the customs duties on the delivery to India of machinery and equipment from Russia, is about 30%. This agreement will make the products from the Russian Federation more competitive in the Indian market,” said Tarasyuk.

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Postby krishna_krishna » 01 Jan 2017 06:55

President Putin congratulates world leaders on the new year greetings. Surprisingly president Obama is not mentioned only pres. elect D. Trump and so is porkistan pm or afghan pm included. Here is what he had to say to Indian leaders :
In his messages of greetings to President of the Republic of India Pranab Mukherjee and Prime Minister of the Republic of India Narendra Modi, the President noted that the outgoing year was successful for Russian-Indian relations, which have reached the level of specially privileged strategic partnership. Mr Putin thanked the Indian side for its hospitality when hosting the BRICS Summit in Goa and expressed hope that the 70th anniversary of establishing diplomatic relations between Russia and India will be marked in 2017 with new success in enhancing productive bilateral cooperation in many areas, in particular, in resolving urgent issues on the regional and global agenda.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby ramana » 01 Jan 2017 08:40

Kannan, TSP won't jump the stick unless India moves toward US.

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Postby krishna_krishna » 01 Jan 2017 16:59

Very important insights from Russian diplomat Zamir kabulov, posting here as it is relevant to discussions we had recently on this thread, I am very interested to find what ruskies had to say to us privately on LSA with massa. This is a gold mine, Can move it to other threads if Mods want it :

AA: Is it disturbing for you? 
Kabulov: Of course; why should it not be disturbing for anybody? Why in Afghanistan? Where is Afghanistan and where is America!? If we did something like that in Mexico, would it not be disturbing for America? In Cuba, we have already experienced and we know the outcome. I think it is old fashioned.
Why are they doing that after all this 15-year-old anti-terror rhetoric in Afghanistan? They stupidly try to say that "it is for training."
Come on! You are not talking to stupid or foolish people. We know the reasons [for the ongoing U.S. military presence in Afghanistan]. Russia will never tolerate this.

AA: What was the purpose of the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan? 
Kabulov: Multi purposes. But first of all, after they were kicked out of Iran, they have this problem.

AA: Do you mean 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran?
Kabulov: Yes, in Iran's 1979 Islamic Revolution, they [the Americans] lost the biggest military base in the region, which was capable of controlling vast areas of that part of Asia.
So, Afghanistan was for that, because it was an available option and a nearby country to Russia, Central Asia, China, Iran, and Pakistan. Americans are really worried about the nuclear capacity of Pakistan. All the sentiments of the first Islamic bomb is another thing; it is rhetoric but it is still a factor.
It [the 2001 invasion] had also political and economic sides. Afghanistan is relatively at the center of the three biggest hydrocarbon reserves in the world: the Persian Gulf, the Caspian Sea, and Central Asia. Afghanistan has easy access to all three.
Before, Iran served that purpose during the Shah era. With growing China and resurgent Russia, they needed such a thing.
We know technologies, it is much more convenient and much more dangerous to have [military bases] there, everything there is in order to attack in case of need.
So, we know, we understand, and I very well remember our military analysts at the very beginning of Obama's withdrawal stage, that they calculated everything.
Having this infrastructure as [a] basis, America will need two to four weeks to redeploy up to 100,000 soldiers on the same bases.
Such a [move] would not be an invasion in terms of a U.S.-Afghanistan bilateral security agreement.
We warned Afghans from the very beginning it [the bilateral agreement] may have implications for our bilateral relations if Americans use this infrastructure against our national interest. They said the Americans had promised. Well, we know the value of American promises.
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AA: How do you see Afghanistan in the next two decades? Will the war continue or will there be peace there?
Kabulov: I hope that for two decades I can be more confident because you may not find me in two decades for accountability.
I think there will be peace in Afghanistan but there are conditions. First, a possible future peace in Afghanistan has to be built today and tomorrow.
If there is no change in international efforts in Afghanistan, that will help it to improve in three things: the economy, administration, and army, Afghanistan will not have a future at all.
Afghanistan will disappear, will fall apart. But we hope we can do it. We don’t want this scenario because from all accounts, it is against the interests of my country and the entire region.
It will be very damaging and dangerous. That’s why we hope, if these three conditions are met in 20 years in Afghanistan, there will be peace.

AA: If not?
Kabulov: If not, Afghanistan will disappear.

Paging Rdevji,

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http://aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/exclus ... lov/717573

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Bhurishravas » 01 Jan 2017 23:46

Kabulov was the plenipotentiary ambassador of Russian Federation to Afghanistan. That means, he has Putin`s ears and is a trusted aide.
The interview suggests that Russia will not shy from supporting Taliban if it is needed to oust the US base in Kabul.

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Postby Guddu » 02 Jan 2017 04:17

I think we have a lot of threads like, India-Russia, India-China, India-Afgh etc. However, the world is interlinked and actions cannot be easily analyzed using these artificial classifications. Thus, Trump will certainly cede Syria to Russkies, will also give them Ukraine and Crimea, withdraw sanctions, the question is what will they ask in return. How important is Afghanistan/Pak to the USA. That would determine Russian foreign policy.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 02 Jan 2017 18:28

Putins Plane


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Postby Cosmo_R » 03 Jan 2017 00:37

Russia delivers Sukhoi jets to Beijing after Chinese military unveils J-20 fighter.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 296284.cms

Guess they are going ramp up efforts to sell it to us a the transitional platform to FGFA

Russia Blocking Afghan Peace Deal
"Russia is hindering the removal of one of Afghanistan’s most notorious warlords from a United Nations sanctions list, Afghan and Western officials said Monday, a move that could complicate efforts to implement a peace deal seen as a model for a similar accords with the Taliban and other insurgent groups. "

http://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-bloc ... 1483378461

They are supporting Gulbdin Hekmatyar? Wow!

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Postby Austin » 03 Jan 2017 09:16

Removal of any member from UN sanctions list is only possible if all P-5 member agree to it , So all have to be in the bathtub

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Philip » 03 Jan 2017 14:47

The sooner we /the GOI realise that the US is a tired player in AfPak. Unless Trump ups the ante there,or strikes a deal with Putin,we're going to be up the creek without a paddle supporting any regime that has Russia against it.

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Postby schinnas » 03 Jan 2017 16:24

Guddu wrote:I think we have a lot of threads like, India-Russia, India-China, India-Afgh etc. However, the world is interlinked and actions cannot be easily analyzed using these artificial classifications. Thus, Trump will certainly cede Syria to Russkies, will also give them Ukraine and Crimea, withdraw sanctions, the question is what will they ask in return. How important is Afghanistan/Pak to the USA. That would determine Russian foreign policy.


The question is not how important is Af/Pak to US, but what are the most important objectives for US from Russia. In Trump's mind the first and foremost is China, followed by Iran, followed by Af/Pak. If Trump can wean Russia strategically away from China with these SOPs, Russia will be happy. If Trump is against CPEC / OBOR, he can moderate Russia's support to CPEC / OBOR as well. More than Afghan, my guess is that Trump will be focused on Iran. The first few months of his presidency will be very telling. Both Trump and his SoS are businessmen. Other than the need for a honorable exit, Americans don't have much riding in Afghanistan. However, they have with Iran. Unfortunately, Trump camp has Iran hawks, which is not good for India.

India wants US support for Chabahar port and a viable, all year land and rail route to Afghanistan through Iran and Chabahar port. That will greatly diminish the current geopositional value of Pakistan as the sole access route to Afghanistan. It also will provide an alternative access to Arabian Sea / Gulf for CAS states and Russia and gives lever for India in Afghan end game. For US, it gives a lever / trump (no pun intended) to use against Sunni gulf states from getting overly smart and also enables US to have secondary means of access to Afghanistan and not having to rely on blackmail of Pakistan, which is just an extension of China now.

I hope Modi and Dovalji are pushing for this constructive engagement with US in Af-Pak-Iran region. To summarize / reiterate, the best outcome for India are:
1. US and Japan provide support for Chabahar port, SEZ and land / rail link to Afghanistan.
2. Make it easier to defend Kabul through land/rail access and logistics supply from Iran. US can use it as secondary logistics line by subcontracting logistics to Indian companies which will use this route. US cannot directly send things through Iran for obvious reasons.
3. If Taliban cannot be defeated, and it becomes absolutely necessary, divide Afghanistan into two - 1) A Pathan homeland of Paktoonistan with Kandahar as the capital which will add pressure for Pakistan to cede NWFP to this Pathan homeland. 2) Reduced republic of Afghanistan with Kabul as the capital and sustained by trade through Chabahar port. If such a reality were to happen, it will be the worst outcome for Pakistan which will be forced to fight the Pathan Talib groups it has nurtured from taking away Peshawar and NWFP! This arrangement will be suitable for Russia as well. Not sure if it would be good for / welcomed by Afghans.

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Postby Lalmohan » 03 Jan 2017 22:39

it seems that large swathes of the republicans are vehemently opposed to iran, maybe even more so than netanyahoo and friends
they consider kerry/obama moves in that area to be nothing short of treason

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Postby ShauryaT » 03 Jan 2017 22:44

Philip wrote:The sooner we /the GOI realise that the US is a tired player in AfPak. Unless Trump ups the ante there,or strikes a deal with Putin,we're going to be up the creek without a paddle supporting any regime that has Russia against it.
True, at this point for US and Russia Af/Pak is largely a geo-political game. Russian target are the 9 US bases in Afghanistan. Expect pressure from them on Afghanistan to close them down, if need be with cooperation from the local devils. Unless India does not become a land player in this game or have major security equities, expect India to get shafted by both US and Russia.

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Postby Prem » 03 Jan 2017 22:55

ShauryaT wrote:
Philip wrote:The sooner we /the GOI realise that the US is a tired player in AfPak. Unless Trump ups the ante there,or strikes a deal with Putin,we're going to be up the creek without a paddle supporting any regime that has Russia against it.
True, at this point for US and Russia Af/Pak is largely a geo-political game. Russian target are the 9 US bases in Afghanistan. Expect pressure from them on Afghanistan to close them down, if need be with cooperation from the local devils. Unless India does not become a land player in this game or have major security equities, expect India to get shafted by both US and Russia.

Such scenario makes good case for Balochistan's freedom from Paki/Chini and rest of the players.

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Postby arun » 05 Jan 2017 14:20

Russian President Vladimir Putin reportedly is a serial offender when it comes to the rudeness of keeping leaders of other countries waiting. Our Prime Minister Narendra Modi was also a victim of Putin’s rude tardiness and in 2014 was kept waiting for an hour :

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Why is Vladimir Putin so late for meetings with world leaders?

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Postby Austin » 05 Jan 2017 14:25

Coming from Independent News Paper of UK , I will take that with Bagful of Salt sort of #FakeNews

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Postby Austin » 05 Jan 2017 14:29

Mere Meeting Will Not Make a Difference: India on Russia-China-Pakistan Talks

https://thewire.in/91695/mere-meeting-w ... tan-talks/
In India’s first official reaction to the trilateral talks, the minister of state for external affairs, M. J. Akbar said, “We do not believe that holding meetings about Afghanistan alone is going the solve the problems of Afghanistan. Eventually, it is all about delivering benefits on the ground which [can be] seen by the people of Afghanistan”.

He added that any “political settlement has to be Afghan-led, Afghan-owned and Afghan-controlled”. “Nothing else is going to work in Afghanistan”.

Akbar was speaking at the mid-term press conference held by the external affairs ministry to mark two-and-half years of the Modi government. He shared the dais with his colleague, V. K. Singh. Their senior colleague, external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj didn’t attend the press conference as she is confined to her residence as she recuperates from a liver transplant operation

Contrasting India’s approach with the other three countries, Akbar said that India had always consulted Afghanistan, even for decisions such as identifying areas for capacity building projects.

“It is eventually up to the government of Afghanistan [to decide] on who it wants to engage with and how it wants to engage and on what terms. [The] mere meeting of three-four countries and saying that we are going to work out something which will not work on the ground, will not make difference,” he asserted.

Russia has been pushing for reaching out to the Taliban, in order to focus on what it considers the real problem, which in Moscow’s view is the spread of the ISIS in the region. The three countries also expressed “particular concern” about the rising activity of ISIS’s Khorasan branch.

Akbar, however, denied that the existence of a rift between India and Russia. “[India’s] relationship with Russia has stood the test of time and we are confident that it will stand the test of the future. We do not believe that Russia will do anything which is injurious to our security or injurious to our national interest. The bridge of camaraderie is candour. And I can assure you that there is candour.”

On China, Akbar pointed out that the country had to realise the “double standard” involved in China blocking a move to list Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar on the UNSC’s sanctions panel.

“We hope China, as a mature and responsible nation, will understand that double standards are simply self-defeating, even suicidal. China has its own terrorist problems. China recognises them, addresses them in bilateral agreements. We hope and we are sure that China can be persuaded to see the depth and evil of this menace… We will continue to point out the absurdity of the UNSC 1267 committee in which 14 out of 15 countries agreed on taking action against Masood Azhar and only one held out,” Akbar noted.

The minister also reiterated the government’s consistent position that ‘terror’ and ‘talks’ with Pakistan cannot go together. At the same time, he did not endorse the view of another BJP Rajya Sabha member Subramaniam Swamy, who has previously said that diplomatic relations with Pakistan should be broken off.

“The engagement with Pakistan needs to continue as has been said and was first stated by Vajpayee ji. We have to deal with them. We deal with them eyes open, but we don’t deal with them with minds closed. In that respect, this talk of inflammation doesn’t necessarily help. We hope that Pakistan will see the path of reason. We hope Pakistan’s friends will persuade it to see the path of reason,” said Akbar.

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Postby nits » 05 Jan 2017 14:54

arun wrote:Russian President Vladimir Putin reportedly is a serial offender when it comes to the rudeness of keeping leaders of other countries waiting. Our Prime Minister Narendra Modi was also a victim of Putin’s rude tardiness and in 2014 was kept waiting for an hour :

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Why is Vladimir Putin so late for meetings with world leaders?


And did he met Chinese Leader on time 8)

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby anjan » 06 Jan 2017 00:27

Austin wrote:Coming from Independent News Paper of UK , I will take that with Bagful of Salt sort of #FakeNews

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/brics ... 20669.html

The report said, "Sections in India’s foreign policy establishment are wondering whether the avoidable delay in Putin’s landing in Fortaleza — where he knew the Indian Prime Minister was waiting for him — represents a signal from Moscow that New Delhi needs to decipher."


It wasn't even so hard to find. Don't really care who else he kept waiting.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby devesh » 06 Jan 2017 07:04

ShauryaT wrote:
Philip wrote:The sooner we /the GOI realise that the US is a tired player in AfPak. Unless Trump ups the ante there,or strikes a deal with Putin,we're going to be up the creek without a paddle supporting any regime that has Russia against it.
True, at this point for US and Russia Af/Pak is largely a geo-political game. Russian target are the 9 US bases in Afghanistan. Expect pressure from them on Afghanistan to close them down, if need be with cooperation from the local devils. Unless India does not become a land player in this game or have major security equities, expect India to get shafted by both US and Russia.


True. The longer we go without a land connection to CAR, and with PRC-Pak land corridor intact, the more irrelevant we're going to become to the endgame in Afghanistan and our own broader periphery.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 06 Jan 2017 09:13

anjan wrote:
Austin wrote:Coming from Independent News Paper of UK , I will take that with Bagful of Salt sort of #FakeNews

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/brics ... 20669.html

The report said, "Sections in India’s foreign policy establishment are wondering whether the avoidable delay in Putin’s landing in Fortaleza — where he knew the Indian Prime Minister was waiting for him — represents a signal from Moscow that New Delhi needs to decipher."


It wasn't even so hard to find. Don't really care who else he kept waiting.


They are quoting the same telegraph as the source !

Meeting at the highest level are very carefully choreographed event and even delay of couple of minutes is a rare thing much less hours unless there are unforseen events like fight delay or some back to back events in such case the meeting gets cancelled/rescheduled . No one will seriously wait for 3-4 hours unless there is like some flght delay.

I recollect at recent BRICS meet due to weather issue at Goa , Putins flight landed in Mumbai and was here for couple of hours

The only time I know off where meeting was delayed to which even Obama complained was when Kerry flew to Moscow at the height of Syria crisis , he was kept waiting for 3 hours before Putin met him but it was an unscheduled meeting

The meeting with pope was delayed for an hour but an official explaination was provided by his spokesperson .......Putin was given an “angel of peace” medallion by Pope :lol:

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby anjan » 07 Jan 2017 00:38

Austin wrote:They are quoting the same telegraph as the source !
I don't understand. The infograph is from The independent, UK and from 2017. The news article I pointed to is sourced in 2014 and from The Telegraph, India.

Meeting at the highest level are very carefully choreographed event and even delay of couple of minutes is a rare thing much less hours unless there are unforseen events like fight delay or some back to back events in such case the meeting gets cancelled/rescheduled . No one will seriously wait for 3-4 hours unless there is like some flght delay.
Yes, which is why people wonder if it is deliberate signalling on Putin's part.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby arun » 07 Jan 2017 09:28

^^^

:wink: Killjoy :wink: , Why let the mere facts that articles are a few years apart and come from publications in different countries kill a pet notion :?: :lol:

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 07 Jan 2017 10:52

anjan wrote:
Austin wrote:They are quoting the same telegraph as the source !
I don't understand. The infograph is from The independent, UK and from 2017. The news article I pointed to is sourced in 2014 and from The Telegraph, India.

Meeting at the highest level are very carefully choreographed event and even delay of couple of minutes is a rare thing much less hours unless there are unforseen events like fight delay or some back to back events in such case the meeting gets cancelled/rescheduled . No one will seriously wait for 3-4 hours unless there is like some flght delay.
Yes, which is why people wonder if it is deliberate signalling on Putin's part.


That is like reading too much into it , If there was any serious delays or any signal we would hear from MFA etc.

Even if Putin bends to tie his shoe lace the media would just jump into it and say there is a message in there...........He is popular in Western MSM for right and wrong reason and most recently for US election hacks :lol:

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 08 Jan 2017 22:42

Photos: Day Before Orthodox Christmas

http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/567530.html

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Karthik S » 08 Jan 2017 23:04

OT, but been hoping for a while that Bangalore's, Hyderabad's CBD will have such a skyline.

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Postby Austin » 08 Jan 2017 23:31

^^ We have such skyline in Mumbai and that comes at cost of Trees and Reclamation , So its better not to have such skyline at cost of Trees and Land Reclamation

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 08 Jan 2017 23:38

Came across this interesting facts that I was not aware off while I was searching for countries with largest forested areas

http://10mosttoday.com/10-countries-wit ... rest-area/

Russia is not only the largest country in the world, but also the country with the largest forest area. The forest area of Russia alone is the size of the entire continent of Australia!

The forest area of Brazil is larger than India

Canada is the second largest country in the world and its forest area is just about the size of India

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Prem » 10 Jan 2017 09:59

http://linkis.com/in.rbth.com/blogs/st/ZpNQr
How Russian scientists cracked the secret of a Vedic ritual drink

However, Russian archaeologists may have solved the puzzle. In 2009, while digging at a deep burial chamber in the forests of Mongolia, a Russian-Mongolian expedition from the Institute of Archaeology and Ethnography, Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences (SB RAS) discovered embroidered woollen textiles dating back two millennia.Although the archaeologists’ work is not yet complete, the first fragments restored have revealed some stunning facts. The fragments of the textile found were parts of a carpet composed of several cloths of dark-red woollen fabric. It had made quite a journey – the cloth was spun in Syria or Palestine, embroidered in north-western India and ended up in Mongolia. The discovery is nothing less than miraculous because of its improbability.Natalia V. Polosmak, Chief Researcher, SB RAS, writes: “Finding it 2000 years later is a pure chance; its amazingly good condition is almost a miracle. How it made its way to the grave of a person it was not meant for will long, if not forever, remain a mystery.”
The embroidery depicts an ancient Zoroastrian ceremony centred around a mushroom. In the middle of the composition, to the left of the altar is the king or priest, who is dressed in a smart, long embroidered kaftan gaping open at the bottom. He is focused on the mushroom in his hands.Polosmak says the “divine mushroom” resembles the well-known psychoactive species psilocybe cubensis. “The weight of evidence suggests that soma, the ancient ritual drink, has been prepared from the mushrooms of family strophariaceae which contains the unique nervous system stimulator psilocybin.”All researchers agree that ancient Indians and Iranians used for cult purposes a drink containing a psychoactive substance. The debate is about the identity of the drink and how it affected the consciousness of those who consumed it.According to Polosmak, the men depicted on the carpet are either of Indo-Scythians (Saka) or Indo-Parthian stock. They are performing a ritual that indicates they acknowledge a form of Zoroastrianism – proof of this is the symbol of Ahura Mazda, the god of the Iranians, represented by the sacred fire altar.The mushroom that the king (or priest) is holding in his hands can be an offering to the fire or it can be sanctified by the fire before being used to make the sacred drink.
The north-western India of that time, where, in all the likelihood, the ritual is taking place, was the meeting place of three ethnos, three cultures – Indian, Iranian, and Greek. Each of them had their own gods: tolerance and worshipping not only of one’s own but also of alien gods was a common thing.”Polosmak explains further: “To get to the root of the consecration unfolding before us, we should pay attention to such seemingly insignificant details as depictions of bees and butterflies strewn all over the cloth. These insects are the most ancient symbols of worship, and used to have meanings very different from the present one.”
The bee was the symbol of honey, Indra, Vishnu and Krishna. The Atharva Veda – the fourth and last Veda – compares spiritual pursuit with honey making. The antiseptic properties of honey made it critical while preserving some foodstuffs. In Mexico, for example, honey has long been used to preserve mushrooms containing psilocybin.The butterfly too had connotations of longevity. In Greek mythology, a butterfly personified the goddess of the soul, Psyche. The Greek word psyche means both soul and butterfly. In fine arts, a soul was often depicted as a butterfly either flying out of a funeral fire or travelling to Hades. The word soul often means “divine fire”.“The butterflies and bees depicted in the background of the canvas may have symbolised the kingdom of souls – the Other World – the world of ancestors, where the warriors got to after having consumed sacred mushrooms,” says Polosmak.“Now the puzzle fits together. The insects and the mushroom are closely connected and make the surrounding world miraculous.” Recall what the Rig Veda says: “We drank soma, we became immortal, we came to the light, we found gods.”
This brings to the prescient words of another Russian genius. Indologist and Rig Veda translator Tatiana Yelizarenkova wrote exactly a decade before the Mongolian finds: “Judging by the Rig Vedic hymns, Soma was not only a stimulating but a hallucinating drink. It is difficult to be more particular not only because none of the candidates satisfies all the Soma properties and matches the Soma descriptions found in the hymns only partially but primarily because the language and style of the Rig Vedic as an archaic cult monument reflecting the poetic features of ‘Indo-European poetic speech’ is a formidable obstacle to Soma identification. The answer may be provided by archaeologists and their finds in north-western India, Afghanistan, and Pakistan (and not in the far-away Central Asia).”The mystery of the drink that gave immortality to the gods and vigour to the ancient Indians and Iranians has finally been solved. It remains to be seen if a clever entrepreneur will try and reverse engineer it from the recipe gleaned by Russian researchers from a 2000 year old carpet fragment.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby schinnas » 10 Jan 2017 11:13

Rig veda hymns are allegorical and symbolic. Sri Aurobindo and other scholars have explained this very clearly. It is funny to see folks taking allegoric poetry literally and trying to "prove" it through archeology. I think with pseudo science, anything is possible, I guess.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 10 Jan 2017 13:19

Modi discusses strategic partnership with Russian Deputy PM
Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Monday discussed bilateral issues, especially the strategic partnership nwith Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dimitry Rogozin, said informed sources.

Modi met Rogozin, who is leading a strong Russian contingent to 'Vibrant Gujarat' on the eve of the summit's start.

"Both leaders discussed various areas of the India-Russia strategic partnership including Rosneft's investment in the Vadinar refinery, cooperation in the automobile sector, discussions on cooperation between Astrakhan region and its sister State of Gujarat, and the proposed visit of the Russian Industry Minister to Delhi in March," said a source.

The two sides also discussed continuing progress in the civil nuclear energy sector.

Modi offered condolences on the dastardly killing of the Russian Ambassador to Turkey and loss of lives in the recent air crash of a Russian plane.

Rogozin reiterated President Valdimir Putin's invitation for Modi to visit Russia in 2017, which Modi accepted with pleasure, the source added.

He observed that the bilateral India-Russia Summit and the BRICS meeting in Goa were very successful and the Russian leadership was fully committed to further strengthening the strategic partnership with India.

According to the source, Modi observed that the 70-year-old bilateral relationship was on an upward trajectory, aided by his frequent meetings with President Putin. He welcomed increasing Russian investment in various states of India.

"Specifically in the context of Gujarat, Prime Minister said that India and Russia should strengthen cooperation in the areas of diamond cutting and polishing, dairy production, and the automobile sector," he added.

The 8th edition of the Vibrant Gujarat Global Summit will be held here January 10-13 with the central focus of "Sustainable Economic and Social Development".

--IANS

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 10 Jan 2017 13:21

Russian Deputy PM Shows Safe City Security System to Modi

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/2017010910 ... di-russia/

GANDHINAGAR (India) (Sputnik) — Modi visited the exhibition pavilion of Russia at the 8th Global Summit Vibrant Gujarat in Gandhinagar, India, where Rogozin told him about the principles of operation of the Russian hardware-software complex. The Indian prime minister asked several clarifying questions.

"The Safe City system allows uniting the data that comes from different cameras, sensors and other data sources into one algorithm system, and then processing the data immediately, providing recommendations to all security authorities," Rogozin told journalists after the presentation.


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The trade show within the Indian summit's framework features more than 10 Russian companies, including nuclear energy corporation Rosatom.

The Emergencies Ministry of Russia supervises the Safe City complex, which is a modern automated system designed to help maintain the safety of citizens through collecting reports about incidents and carrying out surveillance over certain locations with video cameras, with a possibility to dispatch police teams if needed.


Moreover, the first meeting of the Russian-Indian committee on science and technology will take place in June in the Russian city of Novosibirsk, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Monday. "The meeting will be held in our main academic center in Siberia — Akademgorodok, within the Technoprom forum in June 2017," Rogozin said on the sidelines of the Vibrant Gujarat international forum in the Indian city of Gandhinagar.


Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/2017010910 ... di-russia/

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Paul » 10 Jan 2017 16:16

Russians look to be showing their deeper secrets to keep India from going off balance in response to their Pakistan reach out.


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